[01:11] <penguin42> as normal, I now remember I still have xorg-edgers in there and will need to undo that
[01:16] <zakscott> yah im getting the crashes too, think mine was mesa / gallium related
[01:17] <penguin42> hmm the 2.6.35 is black screening for me, I don't get any output after grub even with quiet and splash removed
[01:18] <zakscott> 2.6.35-7?
[01:19] <penguin42> yeh
[01:19] <penguin42> I've just taken out the gfx bits from the grub and now see a panic - but only see the end of it
[01:20] <zakscott> im just going to wait for a patch, can do without gfx for now. actually more productive without it :p
[01:20] <penguin42> this is all interrupt mapp and setup_io_apic
[01:23] <zakscott> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+question/117702
[02:02] <philsf> does a problem with the indicator applet from the backport lucid ppa apply to be asked here?
[02:03] <penguin42> passing nointremap gets me booting
[02:17] <penguin42> right, bug 605686 filed
[06:33] <Tazzypillar> am i here
[07:14] <DreadKnight> 10.10 is fail for me.... the internet connection fails for about 10-20 seconds every 5 minutes or so, not cool
[08:24] <SwedeMike> is 10.10 going to have dnssec validation turned on by default for bind? http://www.root-dnssec.org/category/status/ , it goes live today.
[08:24] <SwedeMike> plus something that automatically updates the keys...
[10:42] <Gryllida> I'm reading #ubuntu-classroom logs, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/10/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t15:15 second paragraph last line -- the software center will include some paid applications in 10.10! WHAT? Can you link me to something about it?
[10:47] <Jordan_U> Sounds like a great idea to me, especially if some of those paid applications are Free Software.
[10:57] <Gryllida> ?
[10:57] <Gryllida> Define "paid application", I thought it is the one you pay for and which thus can't be free.
[11:00] <nigelb> Gryllida: free as in freedom
[11:00] <nigelb> not free as beer
[11:01] <Gryllida> nigelb: can you give me an example of free paid application, please?
[11:02] <Jordan_U> Gryllida: I don't know the details, and while I'm not against paid proprietary applications I'm not realy interested in that feature.
[11:03] <Jordan_U> Gryllida: You could have an option to pay for The Gimp which would be effectively a donation. You could also pay for support for a Free application.
[11:03] <Gryllida> Will the paayment be an option or a requirement for some applications?
[11:04] <Gryllida> payment*
[11:04] <Jordan_U> Gryllida: I assume that it would for some proprietary applications, but I haven't looked intoe the details myself.
[11:07] <Gryllida> Where can I read about the progress on this feature?
[11:23] <nigelb> Gryllida: I dont know the details either.  Please read up the specs from uds.
[11:23] <nigelb> There was a session which talked about it.
[12:20] <penguin42> hmm, has anyone noticed audio quality problems on +1 - the audio sounds  'toppy' - i.e. excessive or distorted high frequencies ?
[12:24] <coz_> penguin42,  I have not because I compile my sound driver ...sorry
[12:24] <penguin42> ah, particularly obscure hardware?
[12:28] <penguin42> I don't suppose anyone knows where to find ppa-purge - a thing referred to in the xorg-edgers page to remove edgers
[12:30] <yofel> isn't that part of the edgers ppa?
[12:30] <penguin42> yofel: Doesn't seem to be; and apt-file isn't finding it
[12:30] <yofel> PPAs don't support apt-file
[12:32] <yofel> penguin42: https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=ppa&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[12:33] <penguin42> yofel: Ah thanks; of course having forgotten to do it prior to upgrade I now have their sources disabled - which is why I guess apt-cache isn't finding it
[13:31] <penguin42> anyone else seeing flickering mouse pointer?
[15:33] <penguin42> virt-manager doesn't seem that happy to me
[15:44] <penguin42> hmm, mostly OK, just died once or twice
[15:46]  * penguin42 swears at grub2 - what I've missed, GRUB_DEFAULT=0 commented out the GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT and GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET and set GRUB_TIMEOUT=0    shouldn't that get me a menu?
[15:55] <patdk-wk_> I thought default was quiet, so uncomment and set to false?
[15:55] <patdk-wk_> GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[15:55] <patdk-wk_> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[15:55] <patdk-wk_> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false
[15:55] <patdk-wk_> GRUB_TIMEOUT="2"
[15:55] <patdk-wk_> gives me a menu, for 2seconds
[15:57] <penguin42> thanks
[16:05] <LucidFox> Is there any way to remove the "Share via microblog" link from the Software Center
[16:07] <zakscott> oo goodies 2.6.35-8 is out today
[16:37] <dholbach> Day 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloper Week starts in 23 minutes in #ubuntu-classroomDay 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloper Week starts in 23 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:41] <dholbach> sorry for the mess in the link above, it should be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek
[16:45] <smallfoot-> stjerm is in lucid repo but not in maverick, why?
[16:55] <geser> smallfoot-: it is: stjerm | 0.11-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/universe Packages
[16:57] <red2kic> smallfoot-: Enable your universe repo?
[17:13] <smallfoot-> ooh
[17:13] <smallfoot-> in that case, why cant i find it on packages.ubuntu.co
[17:13] <smallfoot-> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=stjerm&searchon=names&suite=maverick&section=all
[17:13] <smallfoot-> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=stjerm&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[17:14] <jpds> smallfoot-: Because maverick stuff on packages.u.c is broken, use Launchpad.
[17:14] <smallfoot-> oh
[17:14] <smallfoot-> they need fix that
[17:14] <jpds> Yes, it's in the works.
[17:16] <smallfoot-> good
[17:16] <smallfoot-> i think its been broken long time
[17:16] <jpds> Yes; it's written in Perl and uses Berkeley DB, so... not surprising.
[17:16] <smallfoot-> oh
[17:21] <penguin42> has anyone had 'Processing - Not connected?' on maverick ?
[17:21] <penguin42> it seems to be printing though
[18:23] <penguin42> f-spot seems broke
[18:44] <zakscott> aptd just crashed :(
[18:45] <zakscott> 2.6.35-8-generic-pae
[19:21] <poutine> Why is there no "filesystem root" in the Places menu?
[19:21] <poutine> I have to click places, then home folder, then "File System", which is just too many clicks for something I'm sure people visit a lot
[19:23] <patdk-wk> most people don't visit root
[19:23] <patdk-wk> but if you want it, just add it
[19:23] <patdk-wk> don't bitch
[19:23] <LucidFox> patdk-wk> Hey, that's not nic
[19:23] <LucidFox> * nice
[19:23] <LucidFox> anyway... you can start with "Computer"
[19:23] <patdk-wk> I never pretend to be nice :)
[19:24] <poutine> how do I add it
[19:24] <poutine> starting with "computer" is the same exact amount of clicks LucidFox
[19:24] <LucidFox> poutine> You can add it as a bookmark from nautilus
[19:25] <poutine> intuitive, it couldn't possibly be available from the MENU EDITOR
[19:25] <poutine> also I think a lot of people visit their filesystem roots
[19:25] <patdk-wk> I visit root about once every time I look at bootchart
[19:26] <patdk-wk> and since I only reboot maybe once a month, that isn't often
[19:26] <poutine> I think the filesystem root is more important than "Desktop"
[19:26] <patdk-wk> otherwise I never leave my homedir
[19:26] <patdk-wk> desktop is useless
[19:26] <patdk-wk> but many people use it to store stuff :(
[19:29] <poutine> really my main annoyance is getting to /mnt
[19:29] <poutine> I guess alternatives have been suggested, but I think there should be a filesystem root in there
[19:29] <patdk-wk> bookmark it :)
[19:29] <poutine> it's not like it's cluttered
[19:29] <patdk-wk> mine is cluttered
[19:30] <patdk-wk> about 12 things bookmarked, plus about 16 drives listed
[19:31] <LucidFox> What's with the ridiculous PPA build waiting times lately :(
[19:31]  * LucidFox pokes ripps
[19:34] <penguin42> LucidFox: More people know about them and I guess the farm is getting a bit full
[19:36] <patdk-wk> hmm, $400 rebate :)
[20:57] <Daekdroom> and.. my open app that consumes the most RAM is.. Rhythmbox?!
[20:59] <rsk> it's not know for being memory efficent
[20:59] <Daekdroom> Yeah. But that's surprising.
[20:59] <Daekdroom> I'd atleast expect it to be Firefox..
[21:00] <Daekdroom> Oh well. Banshee wastes even more ram..
[21:01] <zakscott> chromium for me but i have goog docs open
[21:01] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Out of interest is it leaking?
[21:01] <penguin42> zakscott: Are you running chromium on maverick?
[21:01] <zakscott> ya
[21:02] <penguin42> zakscott: Hmm, I'm running the ppa and it's not happy after the maverick upgrade - I don't get any fonts
[21:02] <Daekdroom> penguin42, apparently not.
[21:02] <Daekdroom> I'll keep an eye on it anyway
[21:02] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I'll admit to using exaile rather than rhythmbox
[21:02] <Daekdroom> I'm checking on banshee but it feels like same ol' same.
[21:02] <zakscott> whats the apt command to output package info again?
[21:03] <Daekdroom> sudo apt-cache showpkg <package name>
[21:03] <zakscott> 5.0.375.99~r51029-0ubuntu1
[21:05] <penguin42> this should be entertaining; updating my iscsi-root vm to maverick
[21:08]  * penguin42 is running a squid on his host, makes doing the upgrades a lot faster
[21:17] <zakscott> colossal squid?? D:
[21:18] <zakscott> hmm: "Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/nouveau/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found"
[21:19]  * penguin42 has turned off edgers
[21:21] <zakscott> ahh, maverick is missing from dists
[21:27]  * penguin42 wonders why his load average is 17
[21:27] <penguin42> I've got a paid of kvm guests running, 1 fileserving to the other, which is itself doing a maverick upgrade - but not much else
[21:29] <BUGabundo> penguin42: gwibber? gnome-do?
[21:29] <penguin42> BUGabundo: no, and no - just an exaile playing my music (off a separate disk) and synergy taking these keystrokes - and I don't type *that* fast
[21:30] <penguin42> I guess the metacity/flickering pointer bug can't be helping
[21:38] <penguin42> ok, that's impressive - iSCSI guest server installation just upgraded to maverick OK
[22:21] <zakscott> where should i add "blacklist nouveau" boot without nouveau drivers loaded?
[22:23] <yofel> zakscott: create a new file in /etc/modprobe.d/ cotaining that
[22:24] <yofel> *containing
[22:33] <zakscott> alright giving it a shot brb
[22:58] <penguin42> hmm my squid is being very helpful in maverick updates
[23:23] <ideasman42> Hi there, Im trying to write a thumbnail generator for ubuntu
[23:23] <ideasman42> the problem I have is that I manage to get an RGBA buffer, but need a way to write it as a PNG, using python for ease of install
[23:28] <penguin42> I vaugely remember there are some python image tools
[23:30] <zakscott> so i completely screwed up xorg and the latest kernel i had installed, what key is it to open the grub menu during boot?
[23:31] <penguin42> zakscott: shift - at the VERY start
[23:31] <zakscott> got it, thanks penguin42