[03:24] <stanley_robertso> hi all.. anyone online ?
[03:26] <cyphermox> stanley_robertso, hi
[03:26] <stanley_robertso> hi cyphermox
[03:27] <stanley_robertso> cyphermox, need a small info.. I have applied for bugsquad membership.. any idea.. how much it might take .. to get approved
[03:28] <cyphermox> stanley_robertso, if you mean how long, I'd say it usually takes about a week to get an answer, maybe? I'm honestly not sure :)
[03:29] <stanley_robertso> cyphermox, thanks .. so i have to wait for 1 week.. to start working on bugs.. i guess so .. am i right ?
[03:29] <cyphermox> stanley_robertso, no, please do start now ;)
[03:30] <stanley_robertso> cyphermox,  where we can see the active/open bugs.. i searched the ubuntu wiki page.. but could not get a link.. might be i missed somewhere
[03:30] <cyphermox> stanley_robertso, you can still help confirm bugs and ask reporters to get more info, or file upstream bugs, etc.
[03:32] <cyphermox> stanley_robertso, what do you mean by active and open bugs? you might be interested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.importance%3Alist=UNDECIDED&assignee_option=none&field.has_no_package=on
[03:34] <cyphermox> stanley_robertso, ^ those are bugs needing to get assigned to the right package
[03:35] <stanley_robertso> cyphermox, thanks a lot ... cool.. will have a look and dig into them ;)
[04:10] <roopesh> cyphermox, stanley_robertson here ....
[04:56] <zimio> hey should I mark this  as a support question? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/605683
[04:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605683 in firefox (Ubuntu) "allow monochrome fonts in firefox (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[04:58] <micahg> zimio: no
[04:59] <zimio> uh xD thank you
[06:50] <stanley_robertso> any bug squad member online ?
[06:53] <drew212> hey micahg, firefox -ProfileManager doesn't start the profile manager =X
[06:55] <micahg> drew212: sure it does, if firefox is closed
[06:56] <drew212> micahg: just tested that =D
[07:15] <sbeattie> drew212: include -no-remote if there's an already running firefox and you want to start another instance of firefox under a different profile.
[07:15] <drew212> sbeattie: nice, thank you!
[07:34] <stanley_robertso> hi abhi_nav
[07:34] <abhi_nav> hi stanley_robertso
[07:47] <stanley_robertso> hi abhi_nav .. are you into bug squad ?
[08:03] <abhi_nav> stanley_robertso, yes
[08:06] <abhi_nav> stanley_robertso, ping
[08:09] <abhi_nav> brb
[08:23] <trinikrono> mornings all
[08:25] <vish> !ask | stanley_robertso
[08:25] <ubot2> stanley_robertso: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[08:25] <vish> regarding " <stanley_robertso> any bug squad member online ?  " :)
[08:25] <ddecator> ah vish, the master of factoids :)
[08:25] <vish> ;p
[08:27] <vish> stanley_robertso: in my experience , when such questions are asked less people volunteer :D ...  they dont often want to get stuck with answering about things they dont know ;)
[08:28] <trinikrono> tell him to ask the mighty google :D
[08:28] <ddecator> vish: if you get a chance, can you let me know if my email about my students was enough?
[08:28] <vish> ddecator: email enough?  i didnt understand
[08:29] <ddecator> vish: i replied to pedro's email asking about the status of students, not sure if my response was detailed enough
[08:29] <vish> ah ...
[08:29]  * vish  checks mails
[08:31] <vish> ddecator: looks great!.. thats about the right amount of info :)
[08:31] <ddecator> vish: alright, thanks :)
[08:32] <vish> nigelb: you asked to de-activate saby , have you tried contacting him again?
[08:32] <vish> maybe remind him?
[08:33] <vish> nigelb: remind him that there are others waiting , and if there is no response or if he is busy now , we can de-activate him for now and then add him later
[08:34] <ddecator> vish: btw, stlsaint has tried to get a mentor a few times before without luck. he's excited to help out, so if there is someone that would be good for him ;)
[08:34] <vish> ddecator: yeah , i know stlsaint and a few others are waiting.. :s
[08:35] <ddecator> stlsaint: there you go they know
[08:35] <vish> we need to sort out the lurking inactive students first..
[08:35] <trinikrono> happy hugday :D https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100715
[08:35] <trinikrono> i hope you guys use pidgin like me
[08:43] <stlsaint> ddecator: :D
[08:43] <stlsaint> ddecator: you *do* love me!
[08:43] <ddecator> stlsaint: of course! i love all triagers!
[08:46] <stlsaint> ddecator: well technically im not one yet! ;)
[08:46] <vish> ddecator: if you can take another student , it would be quicker for stlsaint  ;)
[08:46] <ddecator> stlsaint: and potential triagers ;)
[08:47] <stlsaint> ddecator: uh oh...ball is in your court!
[08:47] <vish> stlsaint: its too much to ask from ddecator :)
[08:47] <vish> he already has 2
[08:47] <ddecator> vish: well drew212 is very close to being ready for BC (he might already be, need to review some of his more recent work) so if there isn't anyone else then i can take on stlsaint after drew graduates
[08:47] <stlsaint> vish: i see
[08:48] <ddecator> plus i'm part of the new BugSquad/Beginners Team mentorship combo now, haha
[08:48] <stlsaint> haha
[08:48] <vish> stlsaint: so , yeah , i'll ask again today , we'll try to get you a mentor soon :)
[08:48] <stlsaint> ddecator: the *very* new
[08:48] <vish> stlsaint: in the mean while you can always ask here..
[08:48] <ddecator> stlsaint: indeed
[08:49] <stlsaint> vish: orly?
[08:49] <stlsaint> vish: i can make a public room announcement :D
[08:49] <vish> stlsaint: yeah , abhi_nav , got hold of om26er by asking here
[08:50] <vish> stlsaint: btw , i first meant about asking questions here , but sure you can poach ;p
[08:50] <ddecator> that's how trinikrono got assigned to me, haha
[08:50] <trinikrono> i poach alot lol
[08:54] <stlsaint> trinikrono: got any poaching tips :D
[08:54] <stlsaint> vish: well i actually havent started triaging anything just yet....just read up on the guide some :(
[08:55] <trinikrono> stlsaint:  as ddecator would say join the 5-a-day
[08:55] <vish> stlsaint: assigning bugs to packages is a good start :  http://tiny.cc/s36xt
[08:55] <ddecator> well you two stole the words out of my mouth..
[08:57] <trinikrono> :D
[08:58] <trinikrono> erm the hugday tools and the greese monkey scripts
[08:58] <ddecator> those too
[08:58] <ddecator> stlsaint: you're welcome to ping me, but i just can't handle taking you on as an official student atm :)
[08:59] <trinikrono> stlsaint:  you can pm me too if i can help
[09:02] <trinikrono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/EasyTasks you rem this page ddecator lol
[09:03] <ddecator> oh yah, that one i had never heard of, haha
[09:03] <ddecator> i feel like i did my part as a mentor right now :)
[09:06] <kermiac> The new sort options on edge are nice! http://imgbin.org/images/2038.png
[09:06] <vish> hmm , never knew of that page either!
[09:07] <vish> easy tasks!
[09:08] <kermiac> hey stlsaint, what packages are you interested in mate?
[09:09] <ddecator> kermiac: those are new in edge? oh..i've used them a fair amount already, haha
[09:09] <kermiac> ddecator: maybe only new for me haha... I hadn't noticed the bug heat, # of comments, etx
[09:10] <ddecator> kermiac: multitasking enough?
[09:11] <kermiac> ddecator: that's only one lot of ff windows.... my poor ff hates me. I've got around 10 ff windows open with close to the same amount of tabs
[09:11] <vish> kermiac: yay , wanna be a mentor?
[09:11] <ddecator> kermiac: whoa mate, i can't keep track of more than 6-8 tabs at a time, haha
[09:12] <vish> kermiac: add yourself to the list with mention of time available : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/
[09:12] <ddecator> vish: no pressure ;)
[09:12] <vish> ;p
[09:12] <kermiac> vish: maybe... I've been talking to Dray about it lately. I'm interested in helping out I just don't know what times I'll be available. It varies
[09:12] <kermiac> haha
[09:12] <trinikrono> hey what do we do with sig crashes in pidgin?
[09:13]  * stlsaint is sorting bookmark manager
[09:13] <vish> ddecator: you care about stlsaint or not ? ;p
[09:13] <stlsaint> YEA!?!?
[09:13] <yofel_> kermiac: are those new? I've used them for quite a while now ^^
[09:13] <ddecator> vish: of course i do. you trying to get mitch to be his mentor? haha
[09:13] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[09:13] <kermiac> yofel_:  yeah, it seems like they're not... I obviously am not as observant as I thought i was :P
[09:13] <ddecator> morning BUGabundo_remote
[09:13] <yofel_> :P
[09:14] <vish> ddecator: nah , not necessarily , for stlsaint but just if he is interested :)
[09:14] <vish> there are several others waiting ..
[09:14] <vish> students ..
[09:15] <ddecator> after this first batch graduates there shouldn't be as much backlog (i hope)
[09:15] <ddecator> then again, if it becomes more popular :)
[09:15] <stanley_robertso> hi ddecator
[09:15] <kermiac> vish: is there a list of students? My timezone is UTC +10
[09:15] <ddecator> hi stanley_robertso
[09:16] <stanley_robertso> iam newebie to this bug team .. thought of being online in the channel
[09:16] <vish> kermiac: the list of students waiting : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students , but if you can add you time available , we can assign the student depending on the match
[09:16] <ddecator> stanley_robertso: that's a great place to start :)
[09:17] <vish> mentors page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/
[09:17] <kermiac> vish: ok, I'll add myself :) But i cant guarantee I'll be available at the same time each day
[09:18] <ddecator> kermiac: few people can, as long as you're generally available
[09:18] <vish> kermiac: yup , no one is always ;) , but you can fix the time with your students
[09:18] <vish> that days rather..
[09:18] <stanley_robertso> ddecator, vish .. i have applied for new member to the bug team.. can somebody help me .. in getting it approved.
[09:18] <ddecator> btw, if anybody can give me feedback on the wiki style change i proposed, right now the responses have been about 50/50
[09:19] <vish> hggdh: bdmurray :  stanley_robertso seems to be waiting for BugSquad Membership
[09:19] <vish> stanley_robertso: post your lp link here
[09:19] <vish> ddecator: ++++
[09:20] <stanley_robertso> here it is vish .. https://launchpad.net/~roopesh-majeti
[09:20] <vish> hggdh: bdmurray ^
[09:22] <vish> stanley_robertso: they will add you once they come online.. they are in different timezones ;)
[09:24] <vish> nigelb: ?
[09:25] <stanley_robertso> sure vish
[09:25] <stanley_robertso> thanks
[09:27] <stanley_robertso> ddecator, vish .. one small question..when we analyze and fix issues.. which release we generally target for.. i have Ubuntu 9.10 installed on my machine
[09:27] <ddecator> usually development
[09:28] <trinikrono> +1 lol
[09:28] <ddecator> but you don't have to use the development release
[09:28] <ddecator> it's not a requirement for triage, we just like things to be tested on the development release
[09:29] <stanley_robertso> ddecator, cool.. so i can test the bugs in 9.10 version and take further tests.. I guess .. when a mentor will be assigned to me.. i can ask/bother my mentor with all these questions :)
[09:30] <ddecator> sure, or ask them here :)
[09:33] <kermiac> hey vish, I added myself to the mentor page. Do you want me to send an email to the BC list? It seems like all the requested info is what I just added to the wiki page
[09:34] <stlsaint> for giggles: http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/4/1/128
[09:35] <ddecator> ha
[09:38] <vish> kermiac: cool! no need for BC list , just apply to the mentor team , and I'll approve you
[09:38] <stlsaint> poster was pretty serious about editing a config and turning a processor into its counterpart :D
[09:38] <yofel> stanley_robertso: information about using the development release can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases usually it's best to use it in a VirtualMachine
[09:39] <stlsaint> l8er
[09:39] <stlsaint> folks
[09:39] <kermiac> vish: done
[09:39] <stanley_robertso> yes yofel .. iam using the ubuntu on vmware itself :)
[09:40] <yofel> ^^
[09:43] <kermiac> does anyone know of a gwibber bug re not being able to post to facebook?
[09:43] <ddecator> i haven't run into that..
[09:43] <vish> kermiac: approved! :)
[09:44] <kermiac> ddecator: ok, thanks mate I'll keep looking. I had 2 people talking to me about it today
[09:44] <kermiac> thanks vish :)
[09:44] <vish> kermiac: thank you :)
[09:55] <stanley_robertso> kermiac, can u eloborate the gwibber bug .. a little..
[09:56] <stanley_robertso> or any web link .. about it
[09:58] <kermiac> hey stanley_robertso. I don't have a bug #. 2 of the people that I support are having an issue where they can't post to facebook. I just fired up gwibber & am experiencing the same issue. I still haven't investigated the issue much at all but it's probably related to bug #595265
[09:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595265 in gwibber (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Can not add Facebook account as add button not displayed after authorisation. (affects: 104) (dups: 16) (heat: 478)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595265
[09:59] <kermiac> if I understand it correctly, most gwibber & fb issues seem to be stemming from that problem. But as I said, I haven't really looked into it much yet
[09:59] <ddecator> kermiac: have you tried restarting gwibber? (kill gwibber-service and restart)
[10:01] <kermiac> that was the first thing I tried Dray. Running gwibber in debug mode spits a lot of "TypeError: string indices must be integers" errors
[10:01] <ddecator> no idea then. i haven't had issues with it, but i have posted to FB from gwibber in a few days
[10:02] <stanley_robertso> iam planning to install gwibber and give it a shot .. :) in 9.10 ubuntu version
[10:03] <kermiac> I haven't tried killing off the fb settings in gwibber yet & forcing it to re-authorise. It seems that I haven't had updates from fb in gwibber for around a week. I'll look into it further when i have more time, 595265 seems to explain the issue though
[10:03] <ddecator> worked for me in karmic before i upgraded
[10:04] <ddecator> kermiac: oh yah, i had to go in there lately and re-authorize. i didn't have to delete the account, but i did have to re-authorize because it wasn't updating. now it's working
[10:05] <kermiac> ddecator: ah, hopefully that will do the trick :)
[10:05] <ddecator> sorry Mitch, forgot i had to do that a few days ago, haha
[10:05] <kermiac> haha, no probs Dray :)
[10:29] <nigelb> vish: I'm not admin. poke ara
[10:29] <nigelb> (or pedro)
[10:29] <vish> nigelb: hmm? for which?  I was asking about saby
[10:30] <nigelb> vish: ah, er
[10:30] <nigelb> what were you asking?
[10:31] <vish> nigelb:  nigelb: you asked to de-activate saby , have you tried contacting him again? ,  nigelb: remind him that there are others waiting , and if there is no response or if he is busy now , we can de-activate him for now and then add him later
[10:36] <nigelb> vish: I'll do that when I get home
[10:36] <vish> nigelb: neat!
[10:53] <trinikrono> anyone from bugcontrol here
[10:54] <trinikrono> i believe bug 596426 can be wishlisted
[10:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 596426 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "So tiny "×" to click to close tabs (affects: 1) (heat: 162)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/596426
[11:47] <abhi_nav> stanley_robertso, you want to talk something?
[12:48] <yofel> mvo: would bug 535509 be something for a SRU?
[12:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 535509 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt-get always crash with Segmentation fault (core dumped) if /var/log/apt doesn't exist. (affects: 39) (dups: 15) (heat: 171)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/535509
[12:53] <mvo> yofel: ok
[13:11] <yofel> mvo: can you do it (In the case you have time) or should I make a debdiff and search for a sponsor?
[13:24] <mvo> yofel: its just a cherry pick, the fix is in bzr already, but feel free to identify the right revision
[13:26] <yofel> mvo: the log says r1771
[13:32] <mvo> yofel: you suggest a lucid SRU, right? its fine in maverick
[13:32] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[13:33] <yofel> mvo: yes
[13:36] <mvo> yofel: ok, I prepare a upload now, could you please write the TEST CASE section for the sru?
[13:37] <mvo> yofel: uploaded to lucid-proposed
[13:40] <yofel> sure
[13:40] <yofel> thanks
[13:55] <yofel> mvo: done, I'll try the proposed package when it's build
[13:56] <mvo> yofel: thanks! I move it up in the page
[13:57] <mvo> yofel: updated
[13:57] <mvo> yofel: many thanks :)
[13:58] <yofel> thank YOU ;)
[14:38] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[14:38] <penguin42> hi
[14:38] <yofel> hi stanley_robertso
[14:38] <stanley_robertso>  I have applied for membership to bug squad team.. can somebody approve it .. or let me know.. how to reach .. to get it approved
[14:38] <stanley_robertso> hi yofel
[14:39] <stanley_robertso> hi penguin42
[14:39] <yofel> stanley_robertso: if you applied please be patient, can take a day or 2 until the admins get to it, and you can start triaging right away anyway
[14:40] <stanley_robertso> thanks yofel for the info .. can u give me the weblink [ if handy ] .. to start triaging
[14:40] <yofel> stanley_robertso: have you read the triage guide?
[14:41] <hggdh> vish: roopesh-majeti was declined
[14:42] <stanley_robertso> hggdh, can i know.. why is it declined ? its me roopesh-majeti
[14:42] <vish> hggdh: yeah , he had some problem with the COC , i think it is sorted out now?
[14:42] <hggdh> vish: he did not sign the CoC.
[14:42] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: the email you received lists the reasons
[14:42] <stanley_robertso> hggdh, i forgot to do the CoC in the first time.. but when i got the rejection email .. i did the CoC and re-requested again
[14:42] <vish> hggdh: oddly it shows as signed for me : https://launchpad.net/~roopesh-majeti
[14:43] <vish> maybe I'm missing something..
[14:43] <hggdh> vish: he just signed it (after being declined)
[14:43] <vish> hggdh: ah , cool , yeah , we just sorted that out today afternoon
[14:44]  * hggdh wonders if bright neon on the bugsquad page will make the requirements more visible
[14:44] <vish> hggdh: +1 :)
[14:44] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: I will approve you in 30 min (gotta finish my breakfast)
[14:45] <stanley_robertso> hggdh, thanks a lot and vish thanks for helping me
[14:50] <stanley_robertso> vish, do we have any indian channel for ubuntu or ubuntu-bug-squad ?
[14:50] <stanley_robertso> just wondering, if we have it
[14:50] <vish> stanley_robertso: there is #ubuntu-in
[14:50] <vish> but its not specifically for bugs..
[14:54] <abhijit> hi vish
[14:55] <vish> abhijit: o/
[14:55] <abhijit> vish, heyyyyyyy you dotn know me? ohs that so sad :(
[14:56] <vish> i know abhijit > abhi_nav  ;)
[14:56] <stanley_robertso> thanks vish
[14:56] <abhijit> vish, :D
[14:56] <abhijit> vish, I need to changed it because I was facing lots of look a like nick issues. :(
[14:58] <nigelb> heh, he's trying to write a session and everyone is suddenly pinging him :p
[15:01] <thekorn> hahahahahah
[15:02]  * thekorn hugs vish 
[15:08] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: done, welcome in
[15:10] <stanley_robertso> thanks a lot hggdh
[15:20] <stanley_robertso> hggdh, just a quck question .. all the new members.. should go through the self analysis and start working .. or i guess like mentor-mentee mechanism exists
[15:22] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: you can start work any time, now, for example, it is a good moment ;-)
[15:23] <stanley_robertso> lol hggdh
[15:41]  * nigelb waves to hggdh :)
[15:41] <nigelb> pedro_: I spoke to a DD friend of mine
[15:41] <nigelb> She's going to take a session next week or the week after during package training session
[15:42] <micahg> pedro_: FYI, hugday main page still showing July 12
[15:42] <nigelb> "Working with the Debian BTS - (not only) for Ubuntu Contributors"
[15:42] <nigelb> probably we could make use of that session too from a bug squad point of view :)
[15:47] <pedro_> micahg, updated , thanks
[15:48] <pedro_> nigelb, that'd be great , could you send an email to the bugsquad after decided when the session is going to be?
[15:48] <nigelb> pedro_: sure, will do :)
[15:48] <pedro_> nigelb, thanks a lot ;-)
[15:49] <nigelb> No problem, though we should have had it for UDW, it was a good topic to follow up after our session :)
[15:51] <pedro_> nigelb, indeed, but better a bit late than never ;-)
[15:51] <nigelb> :)
[16:31] <dyfet> I need https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vsftpd/+bug/604185 marked as triaged...
[16:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604185 in vsftpd (Ubuntu) "Unable to start vsftpd with upstart if private key (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:37] <dholbach> Day 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloper Week starts in 23 minutes in #ubuntu-classroomDay 4 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloper Week starts in 23 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:43] <hggdh> hi nigelb, how's life?
[17:00] <nigelb> hggdh: going great :)
[18:01] <njin> pedro_: holaaa!!
[18:01] <pedro_> njin, hello there ;-)
[18:01] <njin> ;)
[18:01] <pedro_> DrKenobi, got my email ?
[18:03] <DrKenobi> pedro_ yes! i've just finished working, now i'll do some personal stuff, like answering your email! :)
[18:03] <pedro_> DrKenobi, awesome! ;-)
[18:03]  * DrKenobi Lunch
[18:04] <pedro_> DrKenobi, enjoy
[18:05] <njin> pedro_: can i start with mine bugs without package ?
[18:05] <pedro_> njin, yeap drop me questions if you have one
[18:05] <njin> Ok
[18:20] <njin> pedro_: i'm oriented to ask debugging for network manager and  request to add syslog and dmesg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/605864
[18:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605864 in ubuntu "The wifi downstream and upstream goes to 0 every couple of seconds (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[18:22] <pedro_> njin, not sure if that's a network manager issue though, could be a driver or hardware one, but the logs asked on the NM documentation might help you to determine that
[18:23] <pedro_> njin, have a look to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager and request the files
[18:46] <cyphermox> njin: asking for apport-collect results would be nice, too, since it includes the interesting stuff from syslog, and the details about the wifi device
[18:46] <njin> ok, thanks
[18:57] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[19:05] <drew212> if someone is using an unsupported release, how do we handle the bugs?
[19:06] <jpds> invalid.
[19:06] <jpds> Unless it still applies for a newer release.
[19:07] <stanley_robertso>  jpds .. you mean.. if the bug is still existing [ reproducable in new release as well ] .. then we need to consider it ?
[19:07] <drew212> what response should I give, ask him to update to a supported release and check if the bug still applies?
[19:10] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: correct
[19:11] <hggdh> drew212: if it is easy for you to test, then please go ahead and test it; otherwise close INVALID (unsupported, please check on current, etc, etc, see BugResponses)
[19:11] <drew212> its 8.10, I'm currently running 10.04LTS
[19:12] <stanley_robertso> hggdh, just getting in pace with the process.. if we see a bug that is reported.. and if we are working in a particular release [ say 9.10 ].. then we can fix the bug even in 9.10 [ though the bug is reported in diff release  ] ofcourse backporting the fix
[19:12] <hggdh> drew212: that's good, you are running current Ubuntu. So, can you easily test the bug
[19:13] <drew212> he didn't provide enough details to recreate the bug though... so i'm going to have to ask for steps to recreate
[19:13] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: usually we fix a bug on the current development release first; then we may consider SRU -- Stable Release Update -- for previous versions of Ubuntu
[19:13] <hggdh> drew212: in this case, simply close and ask the OP to test on a current version
[19:18] <stanley_robertso> hggdh, got it .. so in that case.. i think, i need to update my ubuntu to current dev release  [ being a bugsquad member, is it mandatory ? ]
[19:18] <drew212> stanley_robertso: it's not mandatory, but its easier IMHO
[19:19] <stanley_robertso> ok, cool.
[19:19] <dyfet> stanley_robertso: there are also things that can be done with just a dev chroot
[19:19] <drew212> stanley_robertso: that way you can check yourself if the bug is still a problem in the current release, and you can VM older versions if needed
[19:21] <stanley_robertso> dyfet, sorry i didnot get you ... "dev chroot"
[19:21] <dyfet> you can for example create a maverick environment in a chroot
[19:22] <stanley_robertso> oh ok
[19:22] <njin_> pedro_: this is similar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/593377
[19:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 593377 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 10.4 fails to connect to linksys range expander WRE54 3.0 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[19:23] <stanley_robertso> dyfet, hggdh drew212  .. just one small question ... currently iam on ubuntu 9.10 .. so i guess i will better upgrade it to latest version .. is there a way to do it .. on command line .. or better to have another instance of VM [ with latest dev release ]
[19:24] <drew212> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[19:24] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: any version upgrade is something to be considered carefully. I do *not* recommend you to upgrade to Maverick (current dev)
[19:25] <drew212> stanley_robertso: i would just VM the current dev version
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I use virtual box to test bugs in the development release
[19:25] <stanley_robertso> hggdh, ok.. got it .. so i would create another instance on VM.. having Marverick
[19:25] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: Maverick (soon to be 10.10) is *NOT* stable. But you might try the live CD/DVD to see how 10.04 works on your system
[19:25] <drew212> stanley_robertso: exactly, otherwise your system may become unstable
[19:25] <stanley_robertso> charlie-tca, i guess most of us do the same .. use Virtual box.. for this stuff
[19:26] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: yes, running Maverick on a VM is better
[19:26] <drew212> stanley_robertso: and if you like 9.10 you can always VM 10.04 AND 10.10
[19:26] <stanley_robertso> hggdh, actually there is no option for me, as i learn all this stuff on my laptop, given by my company .. so HAVE to go with a VM :)
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Unless you really enjoy the more treacherous route. Using virtual machines allows testing in any version, too
[19:26] <stanley_robertso> i mean Virtual Machine
[19:27] <drew212> stanley_robertso: there is no "golden rule" for bugsquad
[19:27] <hggdh> stanley_robertso: indeed ;-)
[19:28] <stanley_robertso> drew212, i guess yes.. i could figure it.. from the conversations happening here
[19:28] <stanley_robertso> drew212, hggdh dyfet .. have a nice time ahead.. iam logging off to have a nap :)
[19:29] <drew212> stanley_robertso: alright, good luck and have a nice nap *thumbup*
[19:30] <stanley_robertso> hey.. sorry that i forgot one thing.. i downloaded ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso .. now in Virtual bOx.. when i try to bring thi up.. it just shows blank screen and nothing else .. [ after showing the ubuntu symbol/logo ] .. is there any problem with the .iso
[19:43] <micahg> drew212: I think what hggdh meant by current version was any supported version, not just 10.04, a simple upgrade to 9.04 would be enough for us to support the user
[19:44] <hggdh> micahg: indeed, badly worded from my part
[19:45] <drew212> micahg: ok, figured current meant 10.04
[19:47] <njin_> pedro_: are you in ?
[19:48] <drew212> micahg: is there a way to find out what releases of firefox are still supported, like ubuntu's releases page?
[19:48] <micahg> drew212: what do you mean?
[19:49] <micahg> drew212: you're wondering what's current for each release?
[19:51] <drew212> i don't know how to explain it well, how do i know what software is supported on each release of ubuntu, such as the error when i told the guy using hardy to install flashplugin-installer, and whatnot
[19:51] <drew212> or what firefox versions are still supported on older versions of ubuntu, its kindof messy because i don't have a list anywhere...
[19:57] <micahg> drew212: you can install devscripts, theres a script called rmadison that you pass a package name to and it'll tell you what's in the archvie
[19:57] <trinikrono> rmadison firefox :D
[19:57] <drew212> micahg: that would work
[19:57] <drew212> i have the scripts installed i think, cuz rmadison worked
[19:59] <drew212> so if it's not listed there its not supported on that release?
[19:59] <drew212> what if more than one version is supported for the release? is it best to ask them to upgrade to see if the bug still applies?
[20:00] <trinikrono> use !Release+1 Testing
[20:00] <trinikrono> from the greese monkey scripts
[20:00] <trinikrono> :)
[20:00] <drew212> sorry for the montage of questions =P
[20:01] <drew212> it says that the dev release is Karmic Koala =P
[20:01] <trinikrono> :D
[20:01] <trinikrono> i needed to change it also
[20:07] <drew212> what should i do to further this bug: bug 580371
[20:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 580371 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "it doesnt start at all (affects: 1) (heat: 58)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/580371
[20:08] <drew212> at first i thought i should ask him to reopen the bug with a crash report, but the program doesn't even start now...
[20:14] <njin_> pedro_: are you in?
[20:14] <pedro_> njin_, yes i'm here i was having lunch, what's up?
[20:15] <njin_> this is similar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/593377 can you take a look ?
[20:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 593377 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 10.4 fails to connect to linksys range expander WRE54 3.0 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:15] <pedro_> njin_, similar to... ?
[20:16] <njin_> to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/605864
[20:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605864 in ubuntu "The wifi downstream and upstream goes to 0 every couple of seconds (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:19] <njin_> pedro_: i've a question too
[20:20] <pedro_> doesn't looks like to me, but let's see what the logs said
[20:20] <pedro_> njin_, btw if you request logs with apport-collect for bugs without a package you need to specify the package
[20:20] <pedro_> example: apport-collect -p network-manager 123456
[20:21] <njin_> Ops, i never used apport collect and someone here conseil me to use it, sorry
[20:21] <pedro_> no worries ;-)
[20:22] <drew212> doing a distro upgrade to 10.10 on my VM, hopefully it doesnt break it =P
[20:22] <njin_> pedro_: i've noted that there's much bug dated more than one year ago, what i have to do to manage it ?
[20:24] <pedro_> njin_, i'm not following, could you elaborate a bit more?
[20:25] <njin_> pedro_: like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/360619
[20:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 360619 in ubuntu "only top gnome panel moves to secondary monitor on metamode change (affects: 2) (heat: 7)" [Undecided,New]
[20:27] <pedro_> njin_, ok, for those old bugs please ask the reporter if it's still reproducible on latest packages with Lucid or Maverick and set it to Incomplete
[20:27] <pedro_> btw a similar issue was fixed with an SRU for gnome-panel a few weeks ago
[20:28] <njin_> ok, thanks
[20:28] <drew212> if i mark a bug as invalid because it needs a crash report, do i mark it as triaged for the hugday?
[20:28] <pedro_> drew212, yes please ;-)
[20:31] <drew212> pedro_: how do i get the init to work for me?
[20:33] <pedro_> drew212, is firefox closed ?
[20:33] <drew212> pedro_: no
[20:33] <pedro_> drew212, you need to close it, otherwise i cannot access the cookies.sqlite file
[20:33] <pedro_> s/i/it
[20:34] <drew212> i was reading it to get the hugday init working
[20:34] <drew212> where are the cookie files located?
[20:34] <pedro_> drew212, yeah i think we put a note on that
[20:34] <njin_> pedro_: done https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/360619
[20:34] <pedro_>  ~/.mozilla/firefox/profile/cookies.sqlite
[20:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 360619 in ubuntu "only top gnome panel moves to secondary monitor on metamode change (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[20:35] <pedro_> drew212, replace the profile for your id there
[20:35] <yofel> bdmurray: can you update http://people.canonical.com/~brian/greasemonkey/bugsquad-replies.xml please? It says '... of the development release - Karmic Koala.' In Release+1 testing.
[20:35] <drew212> pedro_: how do i find the path to the cookie?
[20:35] <yofel> drew212: thanks for finding that
[20:36] <drew212> pedro_: nevermind =P
[20:36] <pedro_> njin_, looks good ;-)
[20:36] <drew212> says i'm not allowed to change the content of the page =X
[20:37] <fotuenti_> hi, so i've found a bug. how do i submit it without joining the bug-squad? or is that even possible
[20:38] <yofel> !bugs | fotuenti_
[20:38] <ubot2> fotuenti_: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[20:38] <fotuenti_> thanks
[20:38] <fotuenti_> i'm not a regular ubuntu user, but help some folks here in the office
[20:38] <yofel> fotuenti_: what's the bug btw.?
[20:39] <fotuenti_> libfltk1.1-dev, fltk-config reports the wrong cxxflags. i'm guessing whoever packaged it had a bad string or some-such
[20:39] <fotuenti_> it's pretty corner case stuff
[20:41] <drew212> pedro_: its giving me a runtime error... saying i'm not allowed to change the content and to run hugday init again...
[20:41] <njin_> pedro_: now i've to leave because my wife is hitting me, but today is a big day, I'm on the hall of fame in the top ISO tester (2) http://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com/  ;-)
[20:41] <yofel> drew212: are you logged in on the wiki page?
[20:41] <drew212> i was before i killed firefox
[20:41] <fotuenti_> so, do i need to have a launchpad account to report this?
[20:41] <yofel> hm
[20:41] <yofel> fotuenti_: yes
[20:42] <fotuenti_> boo
[20:42] <drew212> idk if i'm getting the id's in correctly...
[20:42] <drew212> yofel: would that make a difference?
[20:43] <yofel> hm, it should be as easy as 'hugday init --user <USERNAME>  --cookie ~/.mozilla/$profile/cookies.sqlite'
[20:43] <micahg> yofel: yes, if you're logged in :)
[20:44] <yofel> er... .mozilla/firefox/...
[20:44] <pedro_> njin_, awesome! congrats!!
[20:45] <njin_> pedro_: thanks, have a big day you too :)
[20:46] <drew212> yofel: now its giving me a no such file or directory... lol
[20:47] <yofel> drew212: .mozilla/firefox/<insert_your_profile>/cookies.sqlite
[20:47] <drew212> oh! lol!
[20:48] <drew212> i think its the default profile
[20:49] <drew212> yofel: how do i figure out what profile i'm using cuz its still giving me the same error... is there a way i can navigate to the file using nautilius?
[20:51] <yofel> drew212: hm... when do you get that error?
[20:51] <drew212> after typing hugday init --user drew212 --cookie ~/.mozilla/firefox/default/cookies.sqlite and hitting enter, immidiatly
[20:52] <drew212> is there a way to show hidden files in nautlius?
[20:52] <yofel> should be there in the context menu iirc
[20:53] <drew212> yofel: context menu?
[20:53] <drew212> yofel: found it =)
[20:53] <yofel> ah
[20:54] <yofel> let me try here...
[20:54] <drew212> yofel: my profile is named something really weird =P
[20:55] <yofel> my is z07glcwm.default :P
[20:55] <drew212> yofel: something like that, lol
[20:56] <drew212> sweet it worked
[20:56] <yofel> good
[20:57] <drew212> yofel: what is the part about your wiki id?
[21:00] <yofel> er, that's the moin ID, you can use that too if your browser can show it
[21:02] <yofel> drew212: for firefox the moin_id is found in your cookies.sqlite, you can read it in your ~/.hugday_config (some pretty long random hash)
[21:02] <drew212> yofel: ok, i thought maybe it was how micahg posts a link to his wiki profile when his name is added...
[21:03] <micahg> drew212: no, that's @SIG@
[21:03] <yofel> what's that again...
[21:03] <micahg> drew212: oh, actually, no, that's using teh hugday tool
[21:03]  * micahg got confused
[21:03] <drew212> micahg: it didnt link to my wiki page =(
[21:04] <drew212> micahg: not that it's a big deal tho lol
[21:04] <micahg> drew212: it links for me?
[21:05] <drew212> uhh, i remember seeing it link to your wiki page on something... maybe it was something else, idk it was a while ago
[21:05] <yofel> probably micahg has his wiki page named 'wiki.ubuntu.com/micahg'
[21:05] <micahg> drew212: my name isn't linked on the hugday page
[21:05] <drew212> micahg: alright, then i was mistaken, but its a cool idea =P
[21:06] <micahg> drew212: hugday tools are open source, you can patch to do it :)
[21:06]  * yofel is just looking at it
[21:06] <yofel> would be cool :D
[21:06] <drew212> micahg: i wouldn't know how to do it, and i have to work in 45 minutes so i won't have time to look at it, but i would like to learn how to patch packages
[21:07] <micahg> yofel: it probably puts the user name right now, would just need to use the appropriate moin variable instead if the user isn't closing for someone else
[21:09] <yofel> seems like line 348: cols[3] = " %s " %user
[21:10] <yofel> how do links look like again...
[21:18] <yofel> meh, that java error when starting ffx is annoying
[21:18] <yofel> (maverick)
[21:20] <drew212> how do we debug program hangs?
[21:21] <yofel> try strace, or run it in gdb and press 'ctrl+c' when it hangs to get a backtrace
[21:22] <drew212> yofel: i dont think i have time to learn how to properly use strace or gdb =P, maybe tonight when i get home from work
[21:23] <yofel> drew212: strace: run 'strace app' and see where it stops (warning: the output is LONG)
[21:24] <yofel> drew212: gdb: 'gdb app' then run 'start' in the shell, 'continue' if it starts before the app comes up and 'bt' or 'bt full' after killing the app
[21:25] <drew212> yofel do i need debugging symbols? i was quite confused when i got into debugging firefox crashes and problems when those came up
[21:25] <yofel> not for strace, but for gdb yes - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[21:29] <yofel> hm... as we use the launchpad ID, I'll link to the launchpad use profile
[21:35] <drew212> how do you find what distro you have?
[21:36] <micahg> drew212: lsb_release
[21:36] <drew212> in terminal?
[21:36] <micahg> drew212: yes
[21:37] <drew212> micahg: says no LSB modules are available
[21:37] <micahg> drew212: lsb_release -a
[21:46] <yofel> hrhr, linking works *g*
[22:08] <yofel> drew212, micahg: added the customized script to my lp scripts, 1 line changed 1 added http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yofel/+junk/lp-scripts/files
[22:09] <yofel> it puts a link to the lp user profile instead of just the lp id on the wiki page