micahgchrisccoulson: still around?02:02
micahgddecator: thunderbird 3.1 looks like it's building04:23
=== micahg changed the topic of #ubuntu-mozillateam to: Welcome to the Ubuntu Mozilla Team: | ML: http://is.gd/83fnr | Firefox 3.6.6 in Hardy/Lucid / 3.6.7 in Maverick | Help test Firefox 3.6 and xulrunner 1.9.2 migrations in Jaunty/Karmic -- Caution is advised -- http://is.gd/dhTXP | Thunderbird 3.1 Coming Soon to Maverick/PPA | Help test Mozilla prerelease updates http://is.gd/dsudW | Next Meeting: TBD
ddecatormicahg: huh what? team?06:59
micahgddecator: PPA bug triage07:00
ddecatormicahg: ah, alright, sounds good07:00
ddecatormicahg: TB 3.1 failed due to missing files07:50
micahgddecator: yees07:50
ddecatorright, you probably got an email about it, haha07:50
micahgI didn't upload it, that's an old build in the dailies07:50
micahgddecator: but that is the current pproblem as well07:51
ddecatormicahg: i didn't get an update for XR 2.0/FF 4.0 tonight and it says they'll build in 21 hours..was there just not an update tonight? FF 4.0 is broke for me atm due to w/e reason y-ofel talked to you about before07:52
micahgddecator: I'm getting them rescored, but the build is broke :(07:52
ddecatormicahg: :(07:53
ddecatormicahg: so anything for me to work on?07:53
micahgddecator: oh the TB31 build is failing in teh exact same place :(07:54
ddecatormicahg: darn, i was hoping to use it soon...07:54
micahgddecator: I'll try this weekend, I have to get something done first though07:55
ddecatormicahg: sure thing, just let me know if you want me to look into anything07:55
micahgddecator: no, I think it's good ATM07:55
micahgchrisccoulson: if you get a chance, can you see why lp:firefox is installing the firefox-4.0 symlink in the firefox-3.7 package07:56
micahgddecator: I would ask you, but I think it needs advanced package fu07:57
ddecatormicahg: no problem07:57
micahgddecator: I have a task :), can you find the firefox PPA bugs and add a task for this new project and make the Ubuntu task invalid.  Only move them if the version is later than what's in the archive08:07
ddecatormicahg: sure. what's the project?08:07
ddecatormicahg: nvm, just got the email08:09
micahgddecator: here's the project: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-ppa-bugs08:11
micahgddecator: this weekend I'll fix the PPA apport hooks to point there instead of to Ubuntu08:12
ddecatormicahg: sounds good08:12
* micahg probably should have made it more generic for that answers would fit as well, but oh well08:13
micahgnow I must sleep for a short while08:13
ddecatormicahg: night08:14
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
hotfloppyhello guys.. why do i get this error when trying to installing firefox 4.0 ? actually, i already installed it, codename shiteroko is im not mistaken.. but after doing 'sudo apt-get upgrade', i cant run it. try to reinstall and got the error. http://pastebin.com/bU4xLMJb10:55
hotfloppythe error when i try to running it is something like "Cannot execute child process. Files not found"10:57
yofelhotfloppy: that's known and being worked on11:14
hotfloppyyofel: oic.. thanks :)11:19
hotfloppyhello guys.. i just upgraded my system (apt-get upgrade) and now firefox change to Namoroka. before this, its mozilla firefox. and also now i cant open the profile manager.. is something happening on the PPA ? coz my thunderbird title also change to shredder (if im not mistaken the name)..15:09
micahgchrisccoulson: ah, for dh_link is that how it works?15:27
micahghotfloppy: yofel: thanks to chrisccoulson, the install issue should be fixed in tonight's upload15:29
hotfloppyokay.. how bout my current issue ? is that already in consideration ?15:30
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, that's how it works ;)15:30
chrisccoulsonit creates the link in the first listed binary package15:30
micahgchrisccoulson: I'll have to remember that, otherwise, I need to use -p?15:30
micahgchrisccoulson: oh, BTW, there's a build2 for FF3..6.715:33
chrisccoulsonmicahg - ok, thanks. i'll look at that later15:34
chrisccoulsonfor now, my computer is broken ;)15:34
micahgchrisccoulson: k, they seem to be on target for release on Tuesday15:34
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micahgchrisccoulson: how should we treat ums bugs?  Since the same version is in Maverick, is that considered 'in archive' or since the build is from a PPA we should use the PPA bugs project?16:08
chrisccoulsonmicahg - we should treat them as ubuntu bugs, as the u-m-s PPA is about as official as it gets for PPA's (and those packages are destined for the archive anyway)16:09
micahgchrisccoulson: k, thanks16:09
micahgchrisccoulson: i'm not sure how I can do that in the apport hook though ;)16:10
chrisccoulsonyeah, that's a pain. what logic are you using?16:12
micahgchrisccoulson: apport has a 3rd party option that I'll use to redirect to the new ppa bugs project16:12
chrisccoulsonmicahg - for the FF4.0 branding, should we use the name of the current branding "Mozilla Developer Preview" in the desktop file rather than Shiretoko?17:43
chrisccoulsoni was just thinking about it, because i need to change the StartupWMClass to that anyway so that it works with docky17:44
micahgchrisccoulson: I think the codename is still minefield at the moment, and I made that change yesterday17:58
micahgchrisccoulson: but last night's builds won't work because of the issue you fixed this morning17:59
micahgchrisccoulson: so if the minefield desktop file has StartupWMClass, then it should be fine tomorrow17:59
* micahg is off...commuting :)18:00
chrisccoulsonmicahg - which branding are we building it with now then?18:00
micahgchrisccoulson: unofficial branding/minefield18:00
chrisccoulsonmicahg - ah, the unofficial branding isn't minefield though is it?18:00
micahgchrisccoulson: it is for trunk18:01
micahgchrisccoulson: when they branch, they'll probably give it a codename18:01
chrisccoulsonmicahg - ah, ok. so, we should be building it with the nightly branding, which is minefield18:02
chrisccoulsonthat's how i understand it now anyway ;)18:03
micahgchrisccoulson: right, which is the change I made yesterday as to which .desktop file to use, the build was already using that, just the .desktop was wrong18:03
micahgk, really off now18:04
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, is there anything else i need to do to get the seamonkey security update in to lucid? i'm still not completely clear how we handle these in universe19:14
jdstrandchrisccoulson: you tell me when it is ready, and I copy it19:15
jdstrandiirc there was some more testing that was desired (did micahg say that)?19:15
jdstrandchrisccoulson: does it require the newer nss?19:16
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, it's ready to go for lucid19:18
chrisccoulsonwe haven't had much testing for < karmic, so we should leave those for now (and they're all still on the 1.x version anyway)19:18
chrisccoulsonjdstrand - you're at the spring next week aren't you?19:22
jdstrandchrisccoulson: yep19:23
jdstrandchrisccoulson: seamonkey is now published for lucid19:23
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, excellent, thanks19:23
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, there's another round of updates coming on tuesday19:24
jdstrandsure! thanks for the update :)19:24
jdstrandchrisccoulson: for seamonkey?19:24
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, for seamonkey, firefox and tb19:24
jdstrandchrisccoulson: will you have releases prepared for firefox then?19:25
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, we have build1 in the PPA and in maverick already19:25
chrisccoulsoni'm just about to do build219:25
chrisccoulsonand thunderbird is done already too19:25
chrisccoulsoni just need to reupload SM2.0.6, then that's done too19:26
jdstrandchrisccoulson: k. all signs point to 'yes' for openjdk. we just need euca testing19:26
jdstrandchrisccoulson: so hopefully jaunty and karmic can get the new firefox and the transition will be complete19:26
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, cool, that's good :)19:27
chrisccoulsoni will be glad for it to all be finished ;)19:27
jdstrandyeah, totally19:28
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, i may as well do the 3.6.7 update for karmic and jaunty shouldn't i? (i think it's unlikely we'll push the updates out before 3.6.7 is released now)19:28
jdstrandchrisccoulson: yes19:29
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, have you been using the FF4 beta at all?19:41
jdstrandchrisccoulson: no, not at all. hat is the eta for that?19:41
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, probably november. it's quite nice though19:42
chrisccoulsonbut it's even nicer on windows 7!19:42
* chrisccoulson runs19:42
chrisccoulsoni don't know if we will get a client-side-decorated version on linux, with the menu button in the titlebar19:44
chrisccoulsoni hope we do :)19:44
jdstrandwindows 7? never heard of it19:48
chrisccoulsoni installed it in virtualbox just so i could try FF4.0 on it ;)19:49
jdstrandchrisccoulson: so did they achieve the speed improvements? am I remembering that they are doing more of a chromium thing with a confined rendering process?19:50
chrisccoulsonjdstrand, i don't think there is anything like that yet, but it's meant to be getting a new (faster) JS engine19:53
chrisccoulsonmicahg - have you had any thoughts on how we should split xulrunner?20:00
micahgchrisccoulson: well, if we can split the components that don't need X, that would be good, I don't know offhand what they are though20:19
chrisccoulsonmicahg - that's the difficult part, i'm not sure either20:20
micahgchrisccoulson: it might just be mozjs, idk20:20
micahgchrisccoulson: i can try to look this weekend20:20
chrisccoulsonmicahg, i think that's the only thing too, so we would end up with something like xulrunner-1.9.2-mozjs for the couchdb guys and xulrunner-1.9.2 for everyone else20:21
micahgchrisccoulson: k, and the with the xul version in there, it will make it easier to recognize the need for porting20:26
chrisccoulsonyeah, hopefully20:27
chrisccoulsonwell, if we think that's a sensible split, then i can do that maybe tomorrow20:27
micahgchrisccoulson: maybe we should call it xulrunner-1.9.2-nox, just so people don't think we have mozjs like Debian20:34
asacchrisccoulson: package mozjs completely seperately if you plan to do that20:51
asacits a subtree that can be build indepentently20:51
asacalso couchdb folks need to go for javascriptcore. in the end i think shipping mozjs will send the wrong signal20:53
asacor produce a couchdb with in-source js shipped there and get security team blessing to do that20:54
asacand throw out everything else that uses mozjs in archive20:55
micahgasac: everything else we can use a wrapper around I think (except maybe mongodb), the issue with couchdb is the space on the CD, it's the only thing that needs xulrunner ATM20:56
* micahg needs to make gnome-shell use a wrapper this weekend20:57
chrisccoulson__micahg - heh, i just had a read of lkcl's rant on debian-devel21:27
micahgchrisccoulson_: on debian-devel, you can take a swipe at someone :)21:28
=== chrisccoulson__ is now known as chrisccoulson
chrisccoulsonmicahg - can you get any mozillateam branches atm?21:38
chrisccoulsoni get this error when i try and get a mozillateam branch:21:38
chrisccoulsonbzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head/"21:38
chrisccoulsonbut i can access other branches :-/21:38
micahgchrisccoulson: that doesn't exist anymore, it's lp:firefox now21:38
micahgor firefox-4.0.head21:38
chrisccoulsonmicahg - yeah, but i'm not trying to access that branch21:39
chrisccoulsoni get that error when trying to access any mozillateam branch21:39
chrisccoulson(the one i want is lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.6.lucid)21:39
micahgchrisccoulson that shouldn't be stacked on 3.7 :(21:40
micahgchrisccoulson: ugh, that's in branch format 721:41
micahgchrisccoulson: you'll have to branch it anew21:41
chrisccoulsonhmmm, what happened there then?21:42
micahgchrisccoulson: it's stacked wrong for some reason21:42
chrisccoulsonmicahg - branch fixed now :)22:25
* chrisccoulson wipes brow22:25
asacsorry gueys ...i killed lp:firefox yesterday22:44
asacwhen i tried to fix the stacking22:44
asacyou have to re-set that up22:44
chrisccoulsonasac - no worries. i had a branch stacked against lp:~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.7.head for some reason22:46
chrisccoulsonso, i just recreated that branch and then unstacked mine ;)22:47
asacchrisccoulson: is it still in right format?22:47
asacchrisccoulson: actually why i found out about the brokenness was that i wanted to commit something to ffox 3.6 and 4.022:47
chrisccoulsonasac - it seems that it was already in the wrong format (firefox-3.6.lucid)22:47
asaci dropped the ball ... let me check :) ... one sec22:47
asacchrisccoulson: :(((((22:48
asachow much i hate launchpad for that ;)22:48
chrisccoulsonyeah, me too ;)22:48
asacchrisccoulson: if i commit something to 3.6 branch can you remember to pull that to the 4.0 branch?22:49
chrisccoulsonasac - yeah, can do. i've got quite a few things to push to the 4.0 branch now22:49
asacok ... i will let you know. its nifty stuff ;)22:50
chrisccoulsonasac - is now a good time to clean up the transitional packages (seeing as we're LTS+1), or do we still need to keep them for the daily builds?22:50
asacchrisccoulson: yes. drop them ... for daily builds we can make a fake transition as we did in the past22:52
asace.g. create a source package with just transitional packages and put that in the ppa22:52
chrisccoulsonasac - ok, cool, i'll do that before the next update then22:52
asacchrisccoulson: check out what i committed ;)22:53
asacnot sure if i forgot to install something after enabling crashreporting22:53
asacCommitted revision 622.                                (on 3.6 brach)22:53
chrisccoulsonasac - nice. what do we do with the symbols?22:54
asaci will setup an automatic upload to mozilla for now22:54
asacand then we should disable our crash reporting22:55
asacat best that push would ahppen where we currently sort out the dbgsym on the build farm22:55
asacuntil then we can manually upload22:55
asaci will send an email to ted and CC you and if you want you can do the uploads of the .zip in there22:56
asac... we can do that for all biulds: archive + daily22:56
asacthey want everything22:56
chrisccoulsonasac - ok, cool. so, the symbols package is not the sort of thing that users would normally install is it?22:56
chrisccoulson(ie, they don't need it for submitting crash reports?)22:57
asacright. no user wants that22:57
asacthey only see the crashreporter and get asked if they want to upload that (which then goes to mozilla)22:57
asacand we can use their crash db22:57
chrisccoulsoni'll talk to the LP guys tomorrow or next week, and see how we can make it more automated22:57
asacalso mozilla will consider us a first class citizen so if they see top crashes from our users (like on dailies) they now can hold back release etc22:57
asacyeah cool.22:57
asaci will connect you with ted22:57
asacif you dont see a mail by tomorrow lunch poke me22:58
asacchrisccoulson: it might be that for now we have to switch from dwarf to "stabs++" debug symbols. but most likely we just need to pull the trunk script for stripping the symbols to the fffox 3.6 branch to get it right22:58
asacbreakpad now understands dwarf. but lets talk that over22:59
asacwith a beer next week ;)22:59
chrisccoulsoncool :)23:00
chrisccoulsonasac - for disabling apport, we just need to blacklist firefox don't we?23:00
asacis that blacklisting on client side?23:01
asaci dont want the "submit crash" etc. to pop up at all23:01
asacat best not even a core dump to be created23:01
asacbut if thats still done on development releases its fine23:01
chrisccoulsonasac - yeah, it's possible to blacklist applications on the client side, so that apport will ignore crashes23:01
asacour new crashreporter works without core23:01
asacright. then thats the way forward23:01
asacor maybe some apport hoook hint?23:01
chrisccoulsonthere's a text file for doing that. in fact, we might even be able to ship the blacklist file with firefox23:01
asac(we still want to keep apport hook for normal bug reports)23:01
chrisccoulsonyeah, i think the blacklisting is only for the crash reporting23:02
asacright. i would hope we can ship it in firefox23:02
asacbut lets first get the crash reports working ;)23:02
chrisccoulsonasac - /etc/apport/blacklist.d :)23:03
chrisccoulsonso, we can easily do that, which is good23:03
ftaguys, you should seriously think about taking over the dailies. i'm considering shutting the bot down completely for several reasons23:04
asacyay ... finally after years of pain we might be able to get rid of crash bugs23:05
chrisccoulsonfta - i can probably do that23:05
asacfta: other reasons than a) often ftbfs ... and b) not enough ppa builders?23:05
chrisccoulsoni should be able to spend more time on these things now i'm not doing backporting for other releases ;)23:05
ftaasac, a/ + b/ + c/ canonical is advocating its lp dailies so there's no need for me to continue spending my time on this + d/23:06
asaci doubt we can produce lp dailies for mozilla etc. actually for many stuff it wont work in the future23:06
ftaasac, d/ canonical is also advertising the use of upstream binaries, like chrome vs chromium, ff instead of our builds, etc23:06
ftaall in one, that's too much for my taste23:07
asacwhen did canonical do that?23:07
ftaread mpt and jorge's blogs23:07
asaci am sure we are not really advocating use of mozilla binaries23:07
asaci will talk to jorge face to face about this next week23:08
asaci doubt that d) is true in general.23:08
ftaand e/ i'm getting all the user complains. i forward some to micahg, but i'm just a middle man now23:08
asacfta: right. assuming it goes to chrisccoulson i doubt it matters. but you could use a different email etc. for changelogs23:08
asacor/and a separate bot acccount23:09
ftaasac, it doesn't make sense for me to continue doing that, at least for umd23:10
asacagreed ... just work on a seemless transition with chrisccoulson. thanks for letting us know23:10
asacif you could keep nmt enabled that would be fantastic23:11
asacuntil we find someone else willing to run that (might happen soon)23:11
ftac/ is the new buzz jorge and daniel are spreading, so use that instead23:11
asacwell. there is always technology targetting the broad masses ... and stuff that really works ;)23:12
asacthe ftabot is the latter ;)23:12
asacs/targetting/trying to target/23:13
asacchrisccoulson: has ffox 4.0 webgl enabled on linux?23:14
asaci know that upstream doesnt think its ready. just wonder if we could make a special build available23:14
chrisccoulsonasac - if it needs explicitly enabling, then it's not been enabled yet23:14
chrisccoulsonbut i don't mind doing that if you think it's worthwhile23:14
asacheh. i figured that much ;)23:14
ftai had it working a while ago, not sure it's still there23:15
asacchrisccoulson: we cant change defaults for official builds for release. so i think it would need to be a special build. i guess i can also steal that for now ;)23:15
chrisccoulsoni'll have a look at that in a bit, and merge some changes from FF3.6 as well23:15
asacfta: really? that would be amazing. what graphics chipset are you on?23:15
chrisccoulson(i'm just doing the 3.6.7+build2 updates atm)23:15
asacwith nvidia driver? do they support glsl shader language? nice23:16
ftahm, i dropped the 3.7 transitional packages, now 4.0 is broken23:18
asacwhat do you mean?23:19
asacin the branch? or locally?23:19
ftalol, everyting is in the transitional deb23:19
asacthat would explain it ;)23:19
ftaroot@ix:~ # dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-3.7_4.0~b2~hg20100712r47341+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_i386.deb | grep usr/bin23:20
ftadrwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2010-07-13 11:29 ./usr/bin/23:20
ftalrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2010-07-13 11:29 ./usr/bin/firefox-4.0 -> ../lib/firefox-4.0b2pre/firefox.sh23:20
ftaroot@ix:~ # dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-4.0_4.0~b2~hg20100712r47341+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_i386.deb | grep usr/bin23:20
ftadrwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2010-07-13 11:29 ./usr/bin/23:20
ftalrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2010-07-13 11:29 ./usr/bin/abrowser-4.0 -> firefox-4.023:20
asacmicahg: ^^23:20
asacguess just a few bzr move23:21
yofeldidn't he already fix that?23:21
* asac updates his whole system23:21
asaccould be that its not yet built or fta hasnt updated23:21
asac"Need to get 679MB of archives."23:22
asacthats ok23:22
fta0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.23:22
asacso probably the build failed since 12th?23:22
ftalp sucks, as usual23:23
asacShow details   firefox-3.7 - 3.7~a6~hg20100629r46385+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~lucid23:23
ftapython rebuild23:23
yofelno, the ppa builders are so behind that the builds were superseded before being built23:23
asacShow details   firefox-4.0 - 4.0~b2~hg20100715r47651+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd123:23
asacyeah. its waiting for cycles :)23:23
asacyou could go for lpia ... lol23:24
ftai complained this morning, and said it's unusable23:24
ftai also said i'll kill the bot23:24
asaci think htere is a problem23:24
ftai didn't, but i should23:24
asacwith the scheduler again23:24
yofelwell, they said that the builders just come and go (in #launchpad) - wonder if the found out what's wrong by now...23:24
asaclots of builders are not utilized23:24
* asac goes hunting in dark territory23:24
asaclets see seems hour whole soyuz team isnt even there ;)23:27
ftaconfirmed, webgl works here with ff4.023:27
ftaand chromium23:27
asacwonder if mozilla already published there simulater23:28
ftacrashes on http://html5test.com/23:30
ftacorrupted stack, useless23:32
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chrisccoulsonfta - i pushed a fix this morning for the symlinks being shipped in the transitional package23:38
yofelyep, it's not fixed in the ppa package, but using the bzr branch works fine23:39

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