[01:37] <TenPhil> Hello
[01:37] <nhandler> Hey TenPhil
[01:37] <TenPhil> I got a little question
[01:37] <nhandler> What is your question TenPhil ?
[01:38] <TenPhil> I'm going to try to introduce pc-users at my uni to Ubuntu
[01:38] <TenPhil> are there any previous reports, questionnaires and the like that I can use to check what experiences people have as new users?
[01:39] <TenPhil> my campus has about 10k students, 60% of which are female.
[01:39] <nhandler> TenPhil: Not that I know of. Is there a LUG or LoCo nearby?
[01:39] <TenPhil> No, there is no LUG or LoCo. It just hasn't been viable.
[01:40] <nhandler> TenPhil: What were you planning to do with the results of the survey ?
[01:43] <TenPhil> The question is if it is useful for anyone, I could just use it for myself to give the best guidance, but I could also write it up more formally and distribute it to anyone interested.
[01:44] <TenPhil> nhandler: I might lead to me filing some papercuts and highlighting usability issues, but it could be that if one is made it can be used  by others.
[01:45] <TenPhil> that's why I'm checking if anyone else has done it, but it's not publicised anywhere at least.
[01:45] <nhandler> TenPhil: I am sure that some people would find having questions like that useful (for LoCo events and other similar things).
[01:48] <TenPhil> nhandler: Ok, seems like I've got to make a blog about this then and make some drafts
[01:49] <nhandler> TenPhil: I'm sure some people here (and probably in #ubuntu-locoteams) would be up for helping you with this
[01:55] <TenPhil> nhandler: yeah, I have the blog and I've started on a first post, and I'll blog about the progress. I'll probably put up docs on Scribd, so that drafts can be published and commented upon. does that seem ok?
[02:55] <valorie> hey akgraner, I'd forgotten you were coming too
[02:55] <valorie> how cool is that?
[02:56] <valorie> I'm driving down Fri. night, and will be at CLS too
[02:56] <valorie> staying in Portland Sat. - Wed.
[02:56] <valorie> still need to find somewhere to sleep Wed night and Thurs night
[02:57] <valorie> I can commute from Vancouver, but I'd rather not, since traffic is deadly
[03:07] <akgraner> valorie, I'll be there Monday  -  no sitter coverage for the weekend so I am missing CLS this time
[10:20] <TenPhil> czajkowski: Hey! thanx for the email, I think I got a plan now.
[10:22] <AlanBell> TenPhil: where are you based?
[10:22] <TenPhil> AlanBell: Trondheim, Norway
[10:23] <AlanBell> !no
[10:23] <ubot4> Hvis du vil diskutere på Norsk, vennligst gå til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[10:23] <AlanBell> that would be your loco channel, they might be able to help
[10:24] <TenPhil> AlanBell: Yeah I'm on their channel already.
[10:25] <AlanBell> ok, good
[10:25] <AlanBell> are you a lecturer?
[10:25] <TenPhil> no, student.
[10:26] <czajkowski> TenPhil: no problem if you need a hand just ask
[10:26] <czajkowski> there are loads of us in here :)
[10:28] <TenPhil> czajkowski & AlanBell: talked to nhandler here yd, and found out that I should make a standardised questionnaire and guideline for new users, to find out how they experience using ubuntu
[10:28] <AlanBell> TenPhil: is there a computer club or society already at your uni?
[10:28] <TenPhil> and test it on new users I get here.
[10:29] <AlanBell> oh, there is that introduce 100 users project thing, who was driving that one?
[10:29] <TenPhil> There is no LUG or LoCo, there are some but they have paid membership...
[10:29] <TenPhil> AlanBell: that would be really interesting!
[10:30] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~100ubuntuusers
[10:30] <TenPhil> I have a degree in social sciences, so I can apply that knowledge and experience.
[10:32] <TenPhil> AlanBell: thanks!
[10:33] <czajkowski> TenPhil: do talk to the design team or matthew revell so they've both conducted usability tests
[10:34] <TenPhil> czajkowski: I'll send them an email.
[10:34] <czajkowski> mrevell on irc /launchpad
[10:34] <czajkowski> ivanka on irc for design
[17:23] <pleia2> hypatia: when you have a moment, I can show you how to update the blueprint (yay logo finished!)
[17:23] <pleia2> Pendulum: can we chat about mentoring when you have some time?
[17:24] <Pendulum> pleia2: I'm really booked through the end of this week. Maybe beginning of next week?
[17:24] <pleia2> Pendulum: well, mostly I was wondering if you wanted to swap roles, I do rewrite and you do review, but it can wait until next week
[17:24] <pleia2> mostly because you seem busy, and I have some time this month
[17:25] <czajkowski> gah cannot find the we're not gonna take it video
[17:25] <czajkowski> boooo
[17:26] <pleia2> czajkowski: http://justanothertriager.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/uds-m-day-1-overview/
[17:26] <pleia2> ^^ nigelb links it here
[17:27] <czajkowski> whooo
[17:27] <nigelb> happy it helps :)
[17:28] <pleia2> :)
[17:28] <czajkowski> oh it does
[17:28] <czajkowski> poor Pendulum got to listen to it every morning
[17:28] <pleia2> lol
[17:41] <nigelb> heh
[17:48] <nigelb> czajkowski: you're evil!
[17:48] <nigelb> Now I want to listen to it too :D
[18:08] <Dolasilla> cool! It's the first time I see it! :)
[18:11] <czajkowski> it;s very adictive
[18:17] <Dolasilla> indeed..
[18:27] <Pendulum> czajkowski: do you now have it stuck on repeat?
[18:27] <Dolasilla> loop....
[18:27] <Pendulum> nigelb: every morning of UDS we blared it in our room. Might have woken up the guys next door (they've never confirmed whether it did or didn't)
[18:29] <Pendulum> pleia2: that would be find with me
[18:29] <Pendulum> (sorry, had gone to get some lunch)
[18:32] <pleia2> Pendulum: ok great, I'll work on that and be in touch when I need review :)
[18:33] <Pendulum> great, thanks :)
[18:40] <nigelb> Pendulum: heh, who were the guys beside you?
[18:41] <Pendulum> nigelb: jono and Stuart Langridge
[18:44] <nigelb> hahahaha
[19:31] <AlanBell> http://lwn.net/Articles/396174
[19:33] <pleia2> I tweeted about it, considered fwding to the list
[19:33] <pleia2> http://www.fsf.org/news/recommendations-from-the-womens-caucus is the pretty version
[19:33] <pleia2> I helped with some of the docs
[19:34] <AlanBell> lwn is indeed not a pretty website
[19:36] <pleia2> I suppose fsf arguably isn't either, but it is the source
[19:38] <AlanBell> anyhow, in terms of substance, is there anything actionable that we should be doing in Ubuntu
[19:39] <AlanBell> looking at the points about conferences reminds me
[19:40] <AlanBell> we did an event in London last week, there were two women speakers and about 10% registered names that I recognised as female names
[19:40] <AlanBell> both speakers pulled out (for perfectly understandable personal reasons) and there were way less than 10% in the audience
[19:41] <pleia2> we do have a section of our wiki for people to list conferences they're attending, but it kinda died
[19:41] <AlanBell> there was about a 50% dropout rate in the registrations overall, is there any reason or other experience of high dropout rates from registration to attending of women?
[19:42] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/2010CommunityEvents
[19:42] <pleia2> I can't think of any
[19:43] <czajkowski> AlanBell: that happens at any conference tbh
[19:43] <czajkowski> has nout to do with women tb
[19:43] <AlanBell> czajkowski: the overall dropout rate is fine, I understand that
[19:44] <czajkowski> out of 4 talks on open source at the leeds event, 2 were women
[19:44] <czajkowski> ;)
[19:44] <AlanBell> but at a guess 50% of the chaps didn't turn up and maybe 75% of the women didn't
[19:44] <czajkowski> that's good
[19:44] <pleia2> I don't know of any statistics listing women as more likely to dropout, in the cases I know of women not being able to attend their reasons had nothing to do with gender, just general personal or work considerations
[19:45] <AlanBell> yeah, the speakers had nothing to do with gender, just random and unfortunate
[20:02] <czajkowski> actually the only 2 female speakers at CLC Leeds were on open source
[20:07] <MarkDude> pleia2, the UW handout has gotten a favorable reaction
[20:08] <pleia2> MarkDude: great!
[20:10]  * MarkDude showed some it to some folks on the train
[20:11] <MarkDude> & gave out some stickers also, plus 2 Lucid CDs :D
[20:12] <pleia2> nice :)
[20:13] <pleia2> I realized I broke the style guidelines with that flier, oops
[20:13] <pleia2> should have had more padding around the logo
[20:13]  * pleia2 loses 10 internet design points
[20:13] <AlanBell> canonical had a great big ubuntu popup which broke the style guidelines
[20:14] <pleia2> ok, well it's good to know that none of us can get it right :)
[20:14] <AlanBell> it was only going to be spotted by the hardcore followers of the design toolkit
[20:15] <AlanBell> they had the word "ubuntu" running vertically from bottom to top and had rotated the circle of friends too
[20:15] <pleia2> tsk
[21:59] <czajkowski> ohhh http://conferences.ted.com/TEDWomen/
[22:00] <czajkowski> maco: it's coming soon to your area
[22:01] <pleia2> wow, neat
[22:03] <czajkowski> yup
[22:03] <czajkowski> came across on the womoz mailing list
[22:03] <czajkowski> Interesting:
[22:03] <czajkowski> http://conferences.ted.com/TEDWomen/
[22:03] <czajkowski> Some may feel this is a way of separating the women and thus doing "she's pretty good at ______ for a girl", but on the other hand it's a well known brand name of innovation and high quality speaking throwing some of its clout and bright starry lights on what will most likely be a stellar cast.
[22:03] <czajkowski> Discuss?
[22:04] <MichelleQ> czajkowski: yeah, I saw it this morning.  I'm hoping to apply for a fellowship
[22:04] <czajkowski> MichelleQ: what does a fellowship mean?
[22:04] <MichelleQ> attendee
[22:04] <MichelleQ> paid for
[22:04] <czajkowski> is that like sponsorship?
[22:04] <czajkowski> ahhh
[22:04] <MichelleQ> yeah
[22:04] <czajkowski> using english not americanisms :p
[22:04] <MichelleQ> sorry...
[22:05] <MichelleQ> it's what TED called it
[22:05] <czajkowski> grin
[22:05]  * MichelleQ blames someone else.
[22:05] <czajkowski> ^5
[22:05]  * belkinsa blames the Brits.
[22:05] <AlanBell> oi!
[22:06] <MichelleQ> AlanBell: thought that said OIL, which has thank god stopped flowing in the gulf.
[22:06] <czajkowski> oh did the plug work ?
[22:07] <MichelleQ> yes, for the moment.
[22:08] <MichelleQ> whether or not it *stays* is a different story
[22:08] <AlanBell> MichelleQ: blaming that on us too now, whatever next!
[22:08] <belkinsa> That's good to hear, and yeah, that would be another story (and another mess)/
[22:08] <MichelleQ> AlanBell: nope, not blaming the British... just the British who have anything to do with petroleum.
[22:08] <MichelleQ> :-D
[22:09] <belkinsa> I was just playing off what we were talking before this topic.
[22:09] <MichelleQ> I'm teasing AlanBell relentlessly.  No worries.
[22:10] <belkinsa> I know, :).
[22:10] <AlanBell> yeah, I deserve it
[22:10] <belkinsa> xD
[22:13] <czajkowski> lordie remind me not to make a joke again :)
[22:13] <MichelleQ> rofl
[22:23] <Pendulum> that reminds me that I need to go look up recent TED talks as the brother of a mate of mine from high school actually got to give one recently, I think
[22:23] <MichelleQ> nice!
[22:24] <Pendulum> yeah
[22:24] <MichelleQ> I'm still waiting for the CFP to open for TEDxTampa.  Think Mike is going to submit.
[22:24] <Pendulum> my absolute favourite TED talk I've seen is Aimee Mullins. Not directly tech related, but an awesome talk :)
[22:25] <MichelleQ> There've been some amazing talks... my favorites tend to be non-tech at all.
[22:25] <Pendulum> she talked about design of prostheses (she's a double amputee and a paralympian and a model)
[22:26] <MichelleQ> very cool.  The founder of Wikipedia spoke at tedtampa, that was quite interesting!
[22:29] <hypatia> Pendulum: you should watch the recent malaria one
[22:29] <hypatia> my sweetie is in it :)
[22:30] <belkinsa> Is this stuff on YouTube?
[22:30] <hypatia> no, they have their own flashplayer, or you can download it in h264
[22:31] <Pendulum> ah, I was wrong, my mate's brother is a current TED Global Fellow, no
[22:31] <Pendulum> *not a speaker
[22:33] <Pendulum> hypatia: which one is it?
[22:33] <belkinsa> Sorry for that, I'm a total newbie at this (IRC)
[22:34] <hypatia> belkinsa: no worries :)
[22:34] <belkinsa> Oh, thanks, Hypatia.
[22:34] <hypatia> Pendulum: http://www.ted.com/talks/nathan_myhrvold_could_this_laser_zap_malaria.html
[22:34] <Pendulum> belkinsa: you can find all the videos we're talking about on www.ted.com :)
[22:34] <hypatia> he's at the end in the red labcoat
[22:35]  * MichelleQ still waits for my skeeter-zapper...
[22:35] <belkinsa> Thank you also, Pendulum.
[22:39] <Pendulum> MichelleQ: what do you think the laser is?
[22:40] <MichelleQ> I know what it is!  I've volunteered my backyard as a test facility.