| holstein | go for it | 00:03 |
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| ScottL | siretart, you probably need to talk to TheMuso about jack1 and jack2 in ubuntu | 00:47 |
| TheMuso | siretart: Plan is to promote jackd2 and jackd-defaults to main, and demote jack-audio-connection-kit to universe. I'm happy to head that effort. Jackd2 and jack-defaults are in the NEW queue, as they have been synced to maverick. | 00:49 |
| siretart | TheMuso: the thing is, at least in debian, all applications are going to be compiled against jack1 | 01:06 |
| siretart | TheMuso: at least in debian | 01:06 |
| siretart | TheMuso: so it might make sense to promote at least the source, libjack-dev and libjack0 to main | 01:06 |
| TheMuso | siretart: The source of which package? | 01:07 |
| siretart | unless you want in ubuntu to compile everything against libjack from jackd2, which would mean you'd have to adjust the packages and shlibs | 01:07 |
| siretart | TheMuso: j-a-c-k | 01:07 |
| siretart | the provider of jackd1 | 01:07 |
| TheMuso | siretart: right, so jack-audio-connection-kit | 01:07 |
| TheMuso | So, we lave j-a-k in main, demote all but the binaries you suggested, and promote jackd2 and jackd-defaults | 01:08 |
| TheMuso | gah typing | 01:08 |
| siretart | if you want minimal divergence from debian, I'd suggest to a) keep all of jackd-defaults and jackd2 in main, b) have libjack-dev and libjack0 from j-a-c-k in main and the rest of j-a-c-k in universe. yes | 01:09 |
| siretart | another option would be to compile every package against jackd2, but this is something we revert from in debian right now | 01:10 |
| TheMuso | No, makes more sense to build all against jack1. | 01:11 |
| TheMuso | I'll get the MIRs written later today, and file the necessary bugs. | 01:11 |
| siretart | ah, excellent thanks! | 01:11 |
| siretart | are you aware of any ubuntu local changes? or are all packages plain syncs? | 01:12 |
| TheMuso | Only change is no kelt support when in main. | 01:12 |
| TheMuso | so jackd2 will nee to be changed to take care of that, once its in maverick proper. | 01:12 |
| TheMuso | s/kelt/celt/ | 01:12 |
| siretart | well, if you want I could arrange you git commit access to the pkg-multimedia team, so that you can the ubuntu diffs there | 01:12 |
| TheMuso | Actually, that might e a good idea. I'll send a formal request to the pkg-multimedia-list. | 01:13 |
| TheMuso | As I do read it. | 01:14 |
| siretart | allright! | 01:14 |
| siretart | :-) | 01:14 |
| HPLovequest | I need help making Midi work | 06:32 |
| HPLovequest | At worst nothing comes out. At best I get fuzz like a broken moog | 06:33 |
| its-me-again | HPLovequesthi from linuxmint-help | 06:33 |
| its-me-again | HPLovequest hi from linuxmint-help | 06:34 |
| HPLovequest | hi | 06:34 |
| its-me-again | they wikk hekp you here ok | 06:34 |
| HPLovequest | thanks | 06:34 |
| its-me-again | *will | 06:34 |
| its-me-again | i cant | 06:34 |
| HPLovequest | If I were Mark Mothersbaugh this would be a fantastic development | 06:35 |
| its-me-again | y | 06:35 |
| HPLovequest | Devo, weird sounds | 06:35 |
| HPLovequest | I can get some of the weird synth stuff to work but it makes the soundfonts come out all wonky | 06:35 |
| its-me-again | just ask and wait this channel is not that monitered | 06:36 |
| HPLovequest | thanks | 06:36 |
| its-me-again | could be your midi kboard | 06:36 |
| its-me-again | not compatable with appliction | 06:37 |
| its-me-again | i dont know so am leaving | 06:37 |
| holstein | hello HPLovequest | 06:38 |
| holstein | you using JACK? | 06:38 |
| HPLovequest | Qsynth. Can't make jack work good right | 06:39 |
| holstein | JACK is what you need | 06:39 |
| HPLovequest | ok | 06:39 |
| holstein | and maybe a realtime kernel | 06:39 |
| holstein | if the latency is not low enough | 06:39 |
| HPLovequest | I'll gove jack another try | 06:39 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: try starting 'jack control' | 06:39 |
| holstein | and click on 'setup' | 06:40 |
| holstein | and lets talk about the settings | 06:40 |
| HPLovequest | when I try to open up the jack control frontend I get this http://pastebin.com/dJW6eqPm | 06:41 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: yeah | 06:42 |
| holstein | dont start it yet | 06:42 |
| holstein | just launch jack control | 06:42 |
| HPLovequest | that's all I did | 06:42 |
| holstein | and click on 'setup' | 06:42 |
| holstein | look at http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html | 06:42 |
| * zus smiles | 06:43 | |
| HPLovequest | ok | 06:43 |
| holstein | 5th screenshot down | 06:43 |
| holstein | make sure over in the misc tab | 06:43 |
| HPLovequest | Misc options? | 06:43 |
| HPLovequest | righto | 06:43 |
| holstein | that start automatically is not checked | 06:43 |
| holstein | zus: :) | 06:43 |
| HPLovequest | ok | 06:44 |
| holstein | was it checked? | 06:44 |
| HPLovequest | it was | 06:44 |
| HPLovequest | it is now not | 06:44 |
| holstein | OK | 06:44 |
| holstein | go back to the settings tab | 06:44 |
| holstein | thats screenshot2 | 06:44 |
| HPLovequest | righto | 06:45 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: what sound device is this? | 06:45 |
| holstein | you internal soundcard? | 06:45 |
| holstein | your* | 06:45 |
| HPLovequest | how do I check that? | 06:45 |
| HPLovequest | I did it earlier but plum forgot | 06:45 |
| HPLovequest | in terminal | 06:45 |
| holstein | well, what are you wanting to use? | 06:45 |
| holstein | a USZB deivce? | 06:46 |
| holstein | USZB* | 06:46 |
| HPLovequest | just the internal soundcard | 06:46 |
| holstein | dammit | 06:46 |
| holstein | USB* | 06:46 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: OK | 06:46 |
| holstein | so alsa driver is what you want | 06:46 |
| HPLovequest | yes | 06:46 |
| holstein | and should be selected already | 06:46 |
| holstein | in the terminal | 06:46 |
| holstein | run uname -a | 06:46 |
| holstein | and give me that here | 06:46 |
| HPLovequest | Linux drshoggoth-desktop 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux | 06:47 |
| holstein | OK | 06:47 |
| holstein | so in the setup | 06:47 |
| holstein | on the left side | 06:47 |
| holstein | there is a realtime checkbox | 06:48 |
| HPLovequest | it is checked | 06:48 |
| holstein | UNcheck that if it is checked | 06:48 |
| zus | holstein, btw not to intereupt,.. i now have an ooption on boot up for my rt kernel... | 06:48 |
| holstein | zus: COOL | 06:48 |
| holstein | zus: you getting better latency you think? | 06:48 |
| HPLovequest | it was unchecked at first but I checked it in accordance with the proph...screenshot, but I unchecked it again | 06:48 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: in the terminal | 06:49 |
| holstein | run | 06:49 |
| HPLovequest | I also have unlock memory checked, should that be checked or not? | 06:49 |
| zus | never tried it im still working on getting wine to not be such a pain n my arse | 06:49 |
| holstein | sudo adduser YOURUSERNAME audio | 06:49 |
| zus | the wine people aint helping either.. | 06:49 |
| HPLovequest | ok | 06:49 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: UNcheck unlock memory too | 06:50 |
| HPLovequest | ok | 06:50 |
| holstein | we'll try to get the settings right for your setup | 06:51 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: did you run that addusers command? | 06:51 |
| HPLovequest | yessir | 06:51 |
| holstein | did it say you were already in that group? | 06:51 |
| HPLovequest | No it did not | 06:51 |
| holstein | hmmm | 06:51 |
| HPLovequest | it added me though | 06:51 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: are you on that machine now? | 06:52 |
| HPLovequest | Never had any audio trouble except with midi | 06:52 |
| HPLovequest | yes I am | 06:52 |
| holstein | can you log out easily and back on? | 06:52 |
| HPLovequest | yes | 06:52 |
| HPLovequest | I'm the only user on it | 06:52 |
| holstein | do that | 06:52 |
| HPLovequest | ok | 06:52 |
| HPLovequest | brb | 06:52 |
| * holstein not really sure if you have to log out or not with group changes | 06:53 | |
| zus | holstein, ping me when you get to where you can change latency please? | 06:53 |
| holstein | i should double check that next time it come up | 06:53 |
| holstein | zus: just tweak those settings really | 06:53 |
| holstein | you should be able to check that realtime box too | 06:54 |
| zus | only when i log into the RT kernel though? | 06:54 |
| holstein | and try like 256 frames/period | 06:54 |
| holstein | and 2 periods/buffers | 06:54 |
| holstein | zus: yeah | 06:54 |
| HPLovequest | okeedoke | 06:54 |
| holstein | you can save differnet 'presets' though | 06:55 |
| zus | :) ty holstein | 06:55 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: OK | 06:55 |
| holstein | so get back to jack control | 06:55 |
| holstein | and back to setup | 06:55 |
| HPLovequest | ok | 06:55 |
| holstein | inthe middle there | 06:55 |
| holstein | you probably want 44.1 | 06:55 |
| holstein | samplerate | 06:55 |
| holstein | 441000 | 06:56 |
| HPLovequest | it's set to that | 06:56 |
| holstein | there are 2 things that we tweak | 06:56 |
| HPLovequest | btw, it does not have a midi driver selected | 06:56 |
| holstein | the frames/period and periods/buffer | 06:56 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: should be cool | 06:56 |
| HPLovequest | ok | 06:56 |
| holstein | will get to that :) | 06:56 |
| holstein | down in the bottom right | 06:57 |
| holstein | what does it say for 'latency' | 06:57 |
| holstein | right now? | 06:57 |
| HPLovequest | frames/period is 1024, periods/buffer says 2, latency says46.4msec | 06:57 |
| holstein | OK | 06:57 |
| holstein | that should do | 06:57 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: you can tweak that frames/period setting | 06:58 |
| holstein | later | 06:58 |
| holstein | to lower your latency | 06:58 |
| HPLovequest | ok | 06:58 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: you know what we're talking about with latency? | 06:58 |
| HPLovequest | Kind of generally | 06:58 |
| holstein | like when you push a key on the keyboard | 06:58 |
| HPLovequest | how long it takes to generate the sound after I trigger it | 06:59 |
| holstein | right now it will take 46.4ms to hear the sound | 06:59 |
| holstein | pretty much | 06:59 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: yeah | 06:59 |
| holstein | SO | 06:59 |
| holstein | click OK | 06:59 |
| holstein | and go back the the main window | 06:59 |
| holstein | http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html | 06:59 |
| holstein | screenshot 1 | 06:59 |
| holstein | and hit start | 07:00 |
| HPLovequest | no error messages this time | 07:00 |
| holstein | w00t | 07:00 |
| holstein | good news | 07:00 |
| holstein | SO your running JACK then | 07:00 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: what MIDI device? | 07:00 |
| holstein | USB midi keyboard? | 07:00 |
| HPLovequest | just the normal keyboard right now | 07:00 |
| holstein | OK | 07:00 |
| holstein | SO | 07:01 |
| holstein | in the main window | 07:01 |
| holstein | click 'connect' | 07:01 |
| holstein | you'll have a window come up | 07:01 |
| holstein | 8th screenshot down @ that link | 07:01 |
| HPLovequest | mkay | 07:01 |
| holstein | you should be lookin gat the 'audio' tab | 07:02 |
| holstein | i think there are audio alsa and midi tabs | 07:02 |
| holstein | look in hte audio tab right now | 07:02 |
| HPLovequest | ok | 07:02 |
| holstein | you should see one thing on the left and one on the right | 07:03 |
| holstein | both with little '+' signs | 07:03 |
| HPLovequest | yep | 07:03 |
| holstein | click the plus signs to expand | 07:03 |
| holstein | on the left | 07:03 |
| HPLovequest | capture_1 and capture_2 | 07:03 |
| holstein | those are the physical inputs on your soundcard | 07:03 |
| holstein | and on the right are the outs | 07:03 |
| holstein | SO | 07:03 |
| holstein | when you lauch qsynth | 07:04 |
| holstein | and create a synth | 07:04 |
| holstein | you'll seee it show up here | 07:04 |
| HPLovequest | same with lmms? | 07:04 |
| holstein | and you can route it to the soundcards output | 07:04 |
| HPLovequest | o i c | 07:04 |
| holstein | and under the alsa tab or the midi tab | 07:04 |
| holstein | thats where the midi connections happen | 07:05 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: should be the same with lmms | 07:05 |
| holstein | last time i looked at LMMS it did not like JACK | 07:05 |
| HPLovequest | that's what i read | 07:05 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: SO | 07:05 |
| holstein | if you want | 07:05 |
| holstein | you can install a realtime kernel | 07:05 |
| holstein | and maybe get your latency down more | 07:06 |
| holstein | you can tweak and test | 07:06 |
| HPLovequest | does the latency cause the horrific buzzing sound? | 07:06 |
| holstein | BUT most of your sound issues should be taken care of | 07:06 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: i hope so | 07:06 |
| HPLovequest | apreesh | 07:06 |
| HPLovequest | lemme try playing a midi file real quick to test | 07:06 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: im off for the nite probably | 07:06 |
| holstein | but let me know if you need a hand | 07:07 |
| holstein | check out #opensourcemusicians too if its too quiet in here :) | 07:07 |
| holstein | OH | 07:07 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/ | 07:07 |
| holstein | here are some great midi tutorials a friend put together | 07:08 |
| HPLovequest | thank you much | 07:08 |
| HPLovequest | you're a gentleman and a scholar | 07:08 |
| holstein | his nick is [lsd] or in #opensourcemusicians | 07:08 |
| holstein | HPLovequest: :) | 07:08 |
| holstein | anytime | 07:08 |
| holstein | laterx | 07:08 |
| rage2 | is it just me, or is the "Add/Remove Programs" equivalent not in the newest ubuntu studio? | 10:50 |
| Conzeit_ | hey all...I have a question...I normally wouldnt ask (juts migrated to ubuntu) but I'm blown away by the way you update things in linux | 21:17 |
| holstein | no worries | 21:17 |
| holstein | whats up? | 21:17 |
| Conzeit_ | I installed a 32x version of lucid by accident, is it possible to make it 64x without reinstalling? | 21:17 |
| holstein | you mean 32bit? | 21:17 |
| Conzeit_ | yeah | 21:18 |
| holstein | i wouldnt lose any sleep over it | 21:18 |
| Conzeit_ | not worth it? | 21:18 |
| holstein | there are still some issues with 64bit | 21:18 |
| holstein | and its arguably worth it | 21:18 |
| holstein | i dont have any 64bit chips | 21:18 |
| holstein | but when i build my next box | 21:18 |
| Conzeit_ | oh great | 21:18 |
| holstein | it'll be 64bit | 21:18 |
| holstein | and i'll run 32bit on it | 21:19 |
| Conzeit_ | oh I didnt notice it was you again holstein =) | 21:19 |
| holstein | :) | 21:19 |
| Conzeit_ | good to see you again | 21:19 |
| holstein | likewise | 21:19 |
| holstein | Conzeit_: do you need flash? | 21:19 |
| Conzeit_ | well yeah, I was wondering because some adobe programs wont run in windows if it's not 64 bit, so I thought the same may happen in Linux | 21:19 |
| holstein | in a web browser? | 21:19 |
| Conzeit_ | well...yes | 21:20 |
| holstein | that could be the deal breaker for you | 21:20 |
| holstein | i dont care about flash on my studio box | 21:20 |
| Conzeit_ | really? | 21:20 |
| holstein | personally | 21:20 |
| Conzeit_ | I see | 21:20 |
| Conzeit_ | I did run flash tho :p | 21:20 |
| Conzeit_ | in 32 | 21:20 |
| holstein | Conzeit_: yeah | 21:21 |
| holstein | its 64bit thats got no flash | 21:21 |
| holstein | or sketchy flash support | 21:21 |
| holstein | at best | 21:21 |
| Conzeit_ | oooooooh | 21:21 |
| Conzeit_ | ok | 21:21 |
| Conzeit_ | funny | 21:21 |
| Conzeit_ | that's weird | 21:21 |
| holstein | im going to run 32bit until somebody says things are just crazy amazing over in 64bit | 21:21 |
| Conzeit_ | adobe is the reason I'm looking for a 64bit xp install....and it's the reason to stay 32 in ubuntu :p | 21:22 |
| holstein | Conzeit_: do you have over 4gb of ram? | 21:22 |
| holstein | thats a good reason to run 64bit linux | 21:22 |
| holstein | support of more than 4gb of ram | 21:22 |
| Conzeit_ | nope | 21:22 |
| Conzeit_ | haha | 21:22 |
| holstein | but if the motherboard supports it | 21:22 |
| holstein | you can run a PAE kernel | 21:22 |
| holstein | in a 32bit OS | 21:23 |
| holstein | and access all your ram | 21:23 |
| holstein | im told* | 21:23 |
| Conzeit_ | I see | 21:23 |
| Conzeit_ | cool | 21:23 |
| Conzeit_ | that's good to know | 21:23 |
| Conzeit_ | when I need more ram | 21:23 |
| holstein | yeah, if i were you, id just sit on 32bit like an egg :) | 21:23 |
| Conzeit_ | =D | 21:23 |
| Conzeit_ | thanks again holstein =) | 21:23 |
| holstein | but to answer your question | 21:24 |
| holstein | AFAIK | 21:24 |
| holstein | you have to reinstall to migrate to 64bit | 21:24 |
| Conzeit_ | bummer | 21:24 |
| Conzeit_ | but...not my problem, right? ;p | 21:24 |
| holstein | exactly | 21:24 |
| Conzeit_ | ah....good to know, cya later holstein..and thanks =) | 21:25 |
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