[00:03] go for it [00:47] siretart, you probably need to talk to TheMuso about jack1 and jack2 in ubuntu [00:49] siretart: Plan is to promote jackd2 and jackd-defaults to main, and demote jack-audio-connection-kit to universe. I'm happy to head that effort. Jackd2 and jack-defaults are in the NEW queue, as they have been synced to maverick. [01:06] TheMuso: the thing is, at least in debian, all applications are going to be compiled against jack1 [01:06] TheMuso: at least in debian [01:06] TheMuso: so it might make sense to promote at least the source, libjack-dev and libjack0 to main [01:07] siretart: The source of which package? [01:07] unless you want in ubuntu to compile everything against libjack from jackd2, which would mean you'd have to adjust the packages and shlibs [01:07] TheMuso: j-a-c-k [01:07] the provider of jackd1 [01:07] siretart: right, so jack-audio-connection-kit [01:08] So, we lave j-a-k in main, demote all but the binaries you suggested, and promote jackd2 and jackd-defaults [01:08] gah typing [01:09] if you want minimal divergence from debian, I'd suggest to a) keep all of jackd-defaults and jackd2 in main, b) have libjack-dev and libjack0 from j-a-c-k in main and the rest of j-a-c-k in universe. yes [01:10] another option would be to compile every package against jackd2, but this is something we revert from in debian right now [01:11] No, makes more sense to build all against jack1. [01:11] I'll get the MIRs written later today, and file the necessary bugs. [01:11] ah, excellent thanks! [01:12] are you aware of any ubuntu local changes? or are all packages plain syncs? [01:12] Only change is no kelt support when in main. [01:12] so jackd2 will nee to be changed to take care of that, once its in maverick proper. [01:12] s/kelt/celt/ [01:12] well, if you want I could arrange you git commit access to the pkg-multimedia team, so that you can the ubuntu diffs there [01:13] Actually, that might e a good idea. I'll send a formal request to the pkg-multimedia-list. [01:14] As I do read it. [01:14] allright! [01:14] :-) [06:32] I need help making Midi work [06:33] At worst nothing comes out. At best I get fuzz like a broken moog [06:33] HPLovequesthi from linuxmint-help [06:34] HPLovequest hi from linuxmint-help [06:34] hi [06:34] they wikk hekp you here ok [06:34] thanks [06:34] *will [06:34] i cant [06:35] If I were Mark Mothersbaugh this would be a fantastic development [06:35] y [06:35] Devo, weird sounds [06:35] I can get some of the weird synth stuff to work but it makes the soundfonts come out all wonky [06:36] just ask and wait this channel is not that monitered [06:36] thanks [06:36] could be your midi kboard [06:37] not compatable with appliction [06:37] i dont know so am leaving [06:38] hello HPLovequest [06:38] you using JACK? [06:39] Qsynth. Can't make jack work good right [06:39] JACK is what you need [06:39] ok [06:39] and maybe a realtime kernel [06:39] if the latency is not low enough [06:39] I'll gove jack another try [06:39] HPLovequest: try starting 'jack control' [06:40] and click on 'setup' [06:40] and lets talk about the settings [06:41] when I try to open up the jack control frontend I get this http://pastebin.com/dJW6eqPm [06:42] HPLovequest: yeah [06:42] dont start it yet [06:42] just launch jack control [06:42] that's all I did [06:42] and click on 'setup' [06:42] look at http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html [06:43] * zus smiles [06:43] ok [06:43] 5th screenshot down [06:43] make sure over in the misc tab [06:43] Misc options? [06:43] righto [06:43] that start automatically is not checked [06:43] zus: :) [06:44] ok [06:44] was it checked? [06:44] it was [06:44] it is now not [06:44] OK [06:44] go back to the settings tab [06:44] thats screenshot2 [06:45] righto [06:45] HPLovequest: what sound device is this? [06:45] you internal soundcard? [06:45] your* [06:45] how do I check that? [06:45] I did it earlier but plum forgot [06:45] in terminal [06:45] well, what are you wanting to use? [06:46] a USZB deivce? [06:46] USZB* [06:46] just the internal soundcard [06:46] dammit [06:46] USB* [06:46] HPLovequest: OK [06:46] so alsa driver is what you want [06:46] yes [06:46] and should be selected already [06:46] in the terminal [06:46] run uname -a [06:46] and give me that here [06:47] Linux drshoggoth-desktop 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux [06:47] OK [06:47] so in the setup [06:47] on the left side [06:48] there is a realtime checkbox [06:48] it is checked [06:48] UNcheck that if it is checked [06:48] holstein, btw not to intereupt,.. i now have an ooption on boot up for my rt kernel... [06:48] zus: COOL [06:48] zus: you getting better latency you think? [06:48] it was unchecked at first but I checked it in accordance with the proph...screenshot, but I unchecked it again [06:49] HPLovequest: in the terminal [06:49] run [06:49] I also have unlock memory checked, should that be checked or not? [06:49] never tried it im still working on getting wine to not be such a pain n my arse [06:49] sudo adduser YOURUSERNAME audio [06:49] the wine people aint helping either.. [06:49] ok [06:50] HPLovequest: UNcheck unlock memory too [06:50] ok [06:51] we'll try to get the settings right for your setup [06:51] HPLovequest: did you run that addusers command? [06:51] yessir [06:51] did it say you were already in that group? [06:51] No it did not [06:51] hmmm [06:51] it added me though [06:52] HPLovequest: are you on that machine now? [06:52] Never had any audio trouble except with midi [06:52] yes I am [06:52] can you log out easily and back on? [06:52] yes [06:52] I'm the only user on it [06:52] do that [06:52] ok [06:52] brb [06:53] * holstein not really sure if you have to log out or not with group changes [06:53] holstein, ping me when you get to where you can change latency please? [06:53] i should double check that next time it come up [06:53] zus: just tweak those settings really [06:54] you should be able to check that realtime box too [06:54] only when i log into the RT kernel though? [06:54] and try like 256 frames/period [06:54] and 2 periods/buffers [06:54] zus: yeah [06:54] okeedoke [06:55] you can save differnet 'presets' though [06:55] :) ty holstein [06:55] HPLovequest: OK [06:55] so get back to jack control [06:55] and back to setup [06:55] ok [06:55] inthe middle there [06:55] you probably want 44.1 [06:55] samplerate [06:56] 441000 [06:56] it's set to that [06:56] there are 2 things that we tweak [06:56] btw, it does not have a midi driver selected [06:56] the frames/period and periods/buffer [06:56] HPLovequest: should be cool [06:56] ok [06:56] will get to that :) [06:57] down in the bottom right [06:57] what does it say for 'latency' [06:57] right now? [06:57] frames/period is 1024, periods/buffer says 2, latency says46.4msec [06:57] OK [06:57] that should do [06:58] HPLovequest: you can tweak that frames/period setting [06:58] later [06:58] to lower your latency [06:58] ok [06:58] HPLovequest: you know what we're talking about with latency? [06:58] Kind of generally [06:58] like when you push a key on the keyboard [06:59] how long it takes to generate the sound after I trigger it [06:59] right now it will take 46.4ms to hear the sound [06:59] pretty much [06:59] HPLovequest: yeah [06:59] SO [06:59] click OK [06:59] and go back the the main window [06:59] http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html [06:59] screenshot 1 [07:00] and hit start [07:00] no error messages this time [07:00] w00t [07:00] good news [07:00] SO your running JACK then [07:00] HPLovequest: what MIDI device? [07:00] USB midi keyboard? [07:00] just the normal keyboard right now [07:00] OK [07:01] SO [07:01] in the main window [07:01] click 'connect' [07:01] you'll have a window come up [07:01] 8th screenshot down @ that link [07:01] mkay [07:02] you should be lookin gat the 'audio' tab [07:02] i think there are audio alsa and midi tabs [07:02] look in hte audio tab right now [07:02] ok [07:03] you should see one thing on the left and one on the right [07:03] both with little '+' signs [07:03] yep [07:03] click the plus signs to expand [07:03] on the left [07:03] capture_1 and capture_2 [07:03] those are the physical inputs on your soundcard [07:03] and on the right are the outs [07:03] SO [07:04] when you lauch qsynth [07:04] and create a synth [07:04] you'll seee it show up here [07:04] same with lmms? [07:04] and you can route it to the soundcards output [07:04] o i c [07:04] and under the alsa tab or the midi tab [07:05] thats where the midi connections happen [07:05] HPLovequest: should be the same with lmms [07:05] last time i looked at LMMS it did not like JACK [07:05] that's what i read [07:05] HPLovequest: SO [07:05] if you want [07:05] you can install a realtime kernel [07:06] and maybe get your latency down more [07:06] you can tweak and test [07:06] does the latency cause the horrific buzzing sound? [07:06] BUT most of your sound issues should be taken care of [07:06] HPLovequest: i hope so [07:06] apreesh [07:06] lemme try playing a midi file real quick to test [07:06] HPLovequest: im off for the nite probably [07:07] but let me know if you need a hand [07:07] check out #opensourcemusicians too if its too quiet in here :) [07:07] OH [07:07] HPLovequest: http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/ [07:08] here are some great midi tutorials a friend put together [07:08] thank you much [07:08] you're a gentleman and a scholar [07:08] his nick is [lsd] or in #opensourcemusicians [07:08] HPLovequest: :) [07:08] anytime [07:08] laterx [10:50] is it just me, or is the "Add/Remove Programs" equivalent not in the newest ubuntu studio? [21:17] hey all...I have a question...I normally wouldnt ask (juts migrated to ubuntu) but I'm blown away by the way you update things in linux [21:17] no worries [21:17] whats up? [21:17] I installed a 32x version of lucid by accident, is it possible to make it 64x without reinstalling? [21:17] you mean 32bit? [21:18] yeah [21:18] i wouldnt lose any sleep over it [21:18] not worth it? [21:18] there are still some issues with 64bit [21:18] and its arguably worth it [21:18] i dont have any 64bit chips [21:18] but when i build my next box [21:18] oh great [21:18] it'll be 64bit [21:19] and i'll run 32bit on it [21:19] oh I didnt notice it was you again holstein =) [21:19] :) [21:19] good to see you again [21:19] likewise [21:19] Conzeit_: do you need flash? [21:19] well yeah, I was wondering because some adobe programs wont run in windows if it's not 64 bit, so I thought the same may happen in Linux [21:19] in a web browser? [21:20] well...yes [21:20] that could be the deal breaker for you [21:20] i dont care about flash on my studio box [21:20] really? [21:20] personally [21:20] I see [21:20] I did run flash tho :p [21:20] in 32 [21:21] Conzeit_: yeah [21:21] its 64bit thats got no flash [21:21] or sketchy flash support [21:21] at best [21:21] oooooooh [21:21] ok [21:21] funny [21:21] that's weird [21:21] im going to run 32bit until somebody says things are just crazy amazing over in 64bit [21:22] adobe is the reason I'm looking for a 64bit xp install....and it's the reason to stay 32 in ubuntu :p [21:22] Conzeit_: do you have over 4gb of ram? [21:22] thats a good reason to run 64bit linux [21:22] support of more than 4gb of ram [21:22] nope [21:22] haha [21:22] but if the motherboard supports it [21:22] you can run a PAE kernel [21:23] in a 32bit OS [21:23] and access all your ram [21:23] im told* [21:23] I see [21:23] cool [21:23] that's good to know [21:23] when I need more ram [21:23] yeah, if i were you, id just sit on 32bit like an egg :) [21:23] =D [21:23] thanks again holstein =) [21:24] but to answer your question [21:24] AFAIK [21:24] you have to reinstall to migrate to 64bit [21:24] bummer [21:24] but...not my problem, right? ;p [21:24] exactly [21:25] ah....good to know, cya later holstein..and thanks =)