[00:03] <holstein> go for it
[00:47] <ScottL> siretart, you probably need to talk to TheMuso about jack1 and jack2 in ubuntu
[00:49] <TheMuso> siretart: Plan is to promote jackd2 and jackd-defaults to main, and demote jack-audio-connection-kit to universe. I'm happy to head that effort. Jackd2 and jack-defaults are in the NEW queue, as they have been synced to maverick.
[01:06] <siretart> TheMuso: the thing is, at least in debian, all applications are going to be compiled against jack1
[01:06] <siretart> TheMuso: at least in debian
[01:06] <siretart> TheMuso: so it might make sense to promote at least the source, libjack-dev and libjack0 to main
[01:07] <TheMuso> siretart: The source of which package?
[01:07] <siretart> unless you want in ubuntu to compile everything against libjack from jackd2, which would mean you'd have to adjust the packages and shlibs
[01:07] <siretart> TheMuso: j-a-c-k
[01:07] <siretart> the provider of jackd1
[01:07] <TheMuso> siretart: right, so jack-audio-connection-kit
[01:08] <TheMuso> So, we lave j-a-k in main, demote all but the binaries you suggested, and promote jackd2 and jackd-defaults
[01:08] <TheMuso> gah typing
[01:09] <siretart> if you want minimal divergence from debian, I'd suggest to a) keep all of jackd-defaults and jackd2 in main, b) have libjack-dev and libjack0 from j-a-c-k in main and the rest of j-a-c-k in universe. yes
[01:10] <siretart> another option would be to compile every package against jackd2, but this is something we revert from in debian right now
[01:11] <TheMuso> No, makes more sense to build all against jack1.
[01:11] <TheMuso> I'll get the MIRs written later today, and file the necessary bugs.
[01:11] <siretart> ah, excellent thanks!
[01:12] <siretart> are you aware of any ubuntu local changes? or are all packages plain syncs?
[01:12] <TheMuso> Only change is no kelt support when in main.
[01:12] <TheMuso> so jackd2 will nee to be changed to take care of that, once its in maverick proper.
[01:12] <TheMuso> s/kelt/celt/
[01:12] <siretart> well, if you want I could arrange you git commit access to the pkg-multimedia team, so that you can the ubuntu diffs there
[01:13] <TheMuso> Actually, that might e a good idea. I'll send a formal request to the pkg-multimedia-list.
[01:14] <TheMuso> As I do read it.
[01:14] <siretart> allright!
[01:14] <siretart> :-)
[06:32] <HPLovequest> I need help making Midi work
[06:33] <HPLovequest> At worst nothing comes out. At best I get fuzz like a broken moog
[06:33] <its-me-again> HPLovequesthi from linuxmint-help
[06:34] <its-me-again> HPLovequest hi from linuxmint-help
[06:34] <HPLovequest> hi
[06:34] <its-me-again> they wikk hekp you here ok
[06:34] <HPLovequest> thanks
[06:34] <its-me-again> *will
[06:34] <its-me-again> i cant
[06:35] <HPLovequest> If I were Mark Mothersbaugh this would be a fantastic development
[06:35] <its-me-again> y
[06:35] <HPLovequest> Devo, weird sounds
[06:35] <HPLovequest> I can get some of the weird synth stuff to work but it makes the soundfonts come out all wonky
[06:36] <its-me-again> just ask and wait this channel is not that monitered
[06:36] <HPLovequest> thanks
[06:36] <its-me-again> could be your midi kboard
[06:37] <its-me-again> not compatable with appliction
[06:37] <its-me-again> i dont know so am leaving
[06:38] <holstein> hello HPLovequest
[06:38] <holstein> you using JACK?
[06:39] <HPLovequest> Qsynth. Can't make jack work good right
[06:39] <holstein> JACK is what you need
[06:39] <HPLovequest> ok
[06:39] <holstein> and maybe a realtime kernel
[06:39] <holstein> if the latency is not low enough
[06:39] <HPLovequest> I'll gove jack another try
[06:39] <holstein> HPLovequest: try starting 'jack control'
[06:40] <holstein> and click on 'setup'
[06:40] <holstein> and lets talk about the settings
[06:41] <HPLovequest> when I try to open up the jack control frontend I get this http://pastebin.com/dJW6eqPm
[06:42] <holstein> HPLovequest: yeah
[06:42] <holstein> dont start it yet
[06:42] <holstein> just launch jack control
[06:42] <HPLovequest> that's all I did
[06:42] <holstein> and click on 'setup'
[06:42] <holstein> look at http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[06:43]  * zus smiles
[06:43] <HPLovequest> ok
[06:43] <holstein> 5th screenshot down
[06:43] <holstein> make sure over in the misc tab
[06:43] <HPLovequest> Misc options?
[06:43] <HPLovequest> righto
[06:43] <holstein> that start automatically is not checked
[06:43] <holstein> zus: :)
[06:44] <HPLovequest> ok
[06:44] <holstein> was it checked?
[06:44] <HPLovequest> it was
[06:44] <HPLovequest> it is now not
[06:44] <holstein> OK
[06:44] <holstein> go back to the settings tab
[06:44] <holstein> thats screenshot2
[06:45] <HPLovequest> righto
[06:45] <holstein> HPLovequest: what sound device is this?
[06:45] <holstein> you internal soundcard?
[06:45] <holstein> your*
[06:45] <HPLovequest> how do I check that?
[06:45] <HPLovequest> I did it earlier but plum forgot
[06:45] <HPLovequest> in terminal
[06:45] <holstein> well, what are you wanting to use?
[06:46] <holstein> a USZB deivce?
[06:46] <holstein> USZB*
[06:46] <HPLovequest> just the internal soundcard
[06:46] <holstein> dammit
[06:46] <holstein> USB*
[06:46] <holstein> HPLovequest: OK
[06:46] <holstein> so alsa driver is what you want
[06:46] <HPLovequest> yes
[06:46] <holstein> and should be selected already
[06:46] <holstein> in the terminal
[06:46] <holstein> run uname -a
[06:46] <holstein> and give me that here
[06:47] <HPLovequest> Linux drshoggoth-desktop 2.6.31-14-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 16 14:04:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:47] <holstein> OK
[06:47] <holstein> so in the setup
[06:47] <holstein> on the left side
[06:48] <holstein> there is a realtime checkbox
[06:48] <HPLovequest> it is checked
[06:48] <holstein> UNcheck that if it is checked
[06:48] <zus> holstein,  btw not to intereupt,.. i now have an ooption on boot up for my rt kernel...
[06:48] <holstein> zus: COOL
[06:48] <holstein> zus: you getting better latency you think?
[06:48] <HPLovequest> it was unchecked at first but I checked it in accordance with the proph...screenshot, but I unchecked it again
[06:49] <holstein> HPLovequest: in the terminal
[06:49] <holstein> run
[06:49] <HPLovequest> I also have unlock memory checked, should that be checked or not?
[06:49] <zus> never tried it im still working on getting wine to not be such a pain n my arse
[06:49] <holstein> sudo adduser YOURUSERNAME audio
[06:49] <zus> the wine people aint helping  either..
[06:49] <HPLovequest> ok
[06:50] <holstein> HPLovequest: UNcheck unlock memory too
[06:50] <HPLovequest> ok
[06:51] <holstein> we'll try to get the settings right for your setup
[06:51] <holstein> HPLovequest: did you run that addusers command?
[06:51] <HPLovequest> yessir
[06:51] <holstein> did it say you were already in that group?
[06:51] <HPLovequest> No it did not
[06:51] <holstein> hmmm
[06:51] <HPLovequest> it added me though
[06:52] <holstein> HPLovequest: are you on that machine now?
[06:52] <HPLovequest> Never had any audio trouble except with midi
[06:52] <HPLovequest> yes I am
[06:52] <holstein> can you log out easily and back on?
[06:52] <HPLovequest> yes
[06:52] <HPLovequest> I'm the only user on it
[06:52] <holstein> do that
[06:52] <HPLovequest> ok
[06:52] <HPLovequest> brb
[06:53]  * holstein not really sure if you have to log out or not with group changes
[06:53] <zus> holstein,  ping me when you get to where you can change latency please?
[06:53] <holstein> i should double check that next time it come up
[06:53] <holstein> zus: just tweak those settings really
[06:54] <holstein> you should be able to check that realtime box too
[06:54] <zus> only when i log into the RT kernel though?
[06:54] <holstein> and try like 256 frames/period
[06:54] <holstein> and 2 periods/buffers
[06:54] <holstein> zus: yeah
[06:54] <HPLovequest> okeedoke
[06:55] <holstein> you can save differnet 'presets' though
[06:55] <zus> :) ty holstein
[06:55] <holstein> HPLovequest: OK
[06:55] <holstein> so get back to jack control
[06:55] <holstein> and back to setup
[06:55] <HPLovequest> ok
[06:55] <holstein> inthe middle there
[06:55] <holstein> you probably want 44.1
[06:55] <holstein> samplerate
[06:56] <holstein> 441000
[06:56] <HPLovequest> it's set to that
[06:56] <holstein> there are 2 things that we tweak
[06:56] <HPLovequest> btw, it does not have a midi driver selected
[06:56] <holstein> the frames/period and periods/buffer
[06:56] <holstein> HPLovequest: should be cool
[06:56] <HPLovequest> ok
[06:56] <holstein> will get to that :)
[06:57] <holstein> down in the bottom right
[06:57] <holstein> what does it say for 'latency'
[06:57] <holstein> right now?
[06:57] <HPLovequest> frames/period is 1024, periods/buffer says 2, latency says46.4msec
[06:57] <holstein> OK
[06:57] <holstein> that should do
[06:58] <holstein> HPLovequest: you can tweak that frames/period setting
[06:58] <holstein> later
[06:58] <holstein> to lower your latency
[06:58] <HPLovequest> ok
[06:58] <holstein> HPLovequest: you know what we're talking about with latency?
[06:58] <HPLovequest> Kind of generally
[06:58] <holstein> like when you push a key on the keyboard
[06:59] <HPLovequest> how long it takes to generate the sound after I trigger it
[06:59] <holstein> right now it will take 46.4ms to hear the sound
[06:59] <holstein> pretty much
[06:59] <holstein> HPLovequest: yeah
[06:59] <holstein> SO
[06:59] <holstein> click OK
[06:59] <holstein> and go back the the main window
[06:59] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[06:59] <holstein> screenshot 1
[07:00] <holstein> and hit start
[07:00] <HPLovequest> no error messages this time
[07:00] <holstein> w00t
[07:00] <holstein> good news
[07:00] <holstein> SO your running JACK then
[07:00] <holstein> HPLovequest: what MIDI device?
[07:00] <holstein> USB midi keyboard?
[07:00] <HPLovequest> just the normal keyboard right now
[07:00] <holstein> OK
[07:01] <holstein> SO
[07:01] <holstein> in the main window
[07:01] <holstein> click 'connect'
[07:01] <holstein> you'll have a window come up
[07:01] <holstein> 8th screenshot down @ that link
[07:01] <HPLovequest> mkay
[07:02] <holstein> you should be lookin gat the 'audio' tab
[07:02] <holstein> i think there are audio alsa and midi tabs
[07:02] <holstein> look in hte audio tab right now
[07:02] <HPLovequest> ok
[07:03] <holstein> you should see one thing on the left and one on the right
[07:03] <holstein> both with little '+' signs
[07:03] <HPLovequest> yep
[07:03] <holstein> click the plus signs to expand
[07:03] <holstein> on the left
[07:03] <HPLovequest> capture_1 and capture_2
[07:03] <holstein> those are the physical inputs on your soundcard
[07:03] <holstein> and on the right are the outs
[07:03] <holstein> SO
[07:04] <holstein> when you lauch qsynth
[07:04] <holstein> and create a synth
[07:04] <holstein> you'll seee it show up here
[07:04] <HPLovequest> same with lmms?
[07:04] <holstein> and you can route it to the soundcards output
[07:04] <HPLovequest> o i c
[07:04] <holstein> and under the alsa tab or the midi tab
[07:05] <holstein> thats where the midi connections happen
[07:05] <holstein> HPLovequest: should be the same with lmms
[07:05] <holstein> last time i looked at LMMS it did not like JACK
[07:05] <HPLovequest> that's what i read
[07:05] <holstein> HPLovequest: SO
[07:05] <holstein> if you want
[07:05] <holstein> you can install a realtime kernel
[07:06] <holstein> and maybe get your latency down more
[07:06] <holstein> you can tweak and test
[07:06] <HPLovequest> does the latency cause the horrific buzzing sound?
[07:06] <holstein> BUT most of your sound issues should be taken care of
[07:06] <holstein> HPLovequest: i hope so
[07:06] <HPLovequest> apreesh
[07:06] <HPLovequest> lemme try playing a midi file real quick to test
[07:06] <holstein> HPLovequest: im off for the nite probably
[07:07] <holstein> but let me know if you need a hand
[07:07] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians too if its too quiet in here :)
[07:07] <holstein> OH
[07:07] <holstein> HPLovequest: http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/
[07:08] <holstein> here are some great midi tutorials a friend put together
[07:08] <HPLovequest> thank you much
[07:08] <HPLovequest> you're a gentleman and a scholar
[07:08] <holstein> his nick is [lsd] or in #opensourcemusicians
[07:08] <holstein> HPLovequest: :)
[07:08] <holstein> anytime
[07:08] <holstein> laterx
[10:50] <rage2> is it just me, or is the "Add/Remove Programs" equivalent not in the newest ubuntu studio?
[21:17] <Conzeit_> hey all...I have a question...I normally wouldnt ask (juts migrated to ubuntu) but I'm blown away by the way you update things in linux
[21:17] <holstein> no worries
[21:17] <holstein> whats up?
[21:17] <Conzeit_> I installed a 32x version of lucid by accident, is it possible to make it 64x without reinstalling?
[21:17] <holstein> you mean 32bit?
[21:18] <Conzeit_> yeah
[21:18] <holstein> i wouldnt lose any sleep over it
[21:18] <Conzeit_> not worth it?
[21:18] <holstein> there are still some issues with 64bit
[21:18] <holstein> and its arguably worth it
[21:18] <holstein> i dont have any 64bit chips
[21:18] <holstein> but when i build my next box
[21:18] <Conzeit_> oh great
[21:18] <holstein> it'll be 64bit
[21:19] <holstein> and i'll run 32bit on it
[21:19] <Conzeit_> oh I didnt notice it was you again holstein =)
[21:19] <holstein> :)
[21:19] <Conzeit_> good to see you again
[21:19] <holstein> likewise
[21:19] <holstein> Conzeit_: do you need flash?
[21:19] <Conzeit_> well yeah, I was wondering because some adobe programs wont run in windows if it's not 64 bit, so I thought the same may happen in Linux
[21:19] <holstein> in a web browser?
[21:20] <Conzeit_> well...yes
[21:20] <holstein> that could be the deal breaker for you
[21:20] <holstein> i dont care about flash on my studio box
[21:20] <Conzeit_> really?
[21:20] <holstein> personally
[21:20] <Conzeit_> I see
[21:20] <Conzeit_> I did run flash tho :p
[21:20] <Conzeit_> in 32
[21:21] <holstein> Conzeit_: yeah
[21:21] <holstein> its 64bit thats got no flash
[21:21] <holstein> or sketchy flash support
[21:21] <holstein> at best
[21:21] <Conzeit_> oooooooh
[21:21] <Conzeit_> ok
[21:21] <Conzeit_> funny
[21:21] <Conzeit_> that's weird
[21:21] <holstein> im going to run 32bit until somebody says things are just crazy amazing over in 64bit
[21:22] <Conzeit_> adobe is the reason I'm looking for a 64bit xp install....and it's the reason to stay 32 in ubuntu :p
[21:22] <holstein> Conzeit_: do you have over 4gb of ram?
[21:22] <holstein> thats a good reason to run 64bit linux
[21:22] <holstein> support of more than 4gb of ram
[21:22] <Conzeit_> nope
[21:22] <Conzeit_> haha
[21:22] <holstein> but if the motherboard supports it
[21:22] <holstein> you can run a PAE kernel
[21:23] <holstein> in a 32bit OS
[21:23] <holstein> and access all your ram
[21:23] <holstein> im told*
[21:23] <Conzeit_> I see
[21:23] <Conzeit_> cool
[21:23] <Conzeit_> that's good to know
[21:23] <Conzeit_> when I need more ram
[21:23] <holstein> yeah, if i were you, id just sit on 32bit like an egg :)
[21:23] <Conzeit_> =D
[21:23] <Conzeit_> thanks again holstein =)
[21:24] <holstein> but to answer your question
[21:24] <holstein> AFAIK
[21:24] <holstein> you have to reinstall to migrate to 64bit
[21:24] <Conzeit_> bummer
[21:24] <Conzeit_> but...not my problem, right? ;p
[21:24] <holstein> exactly
[21:25] <Conzeit_> ah....good to know, cya later holstein..and thanks =)