[00:02] <micahg> yofel: you want to lino the link to the LP page or wiki page?
[00:05] <yofel> micahg: well, I'm currently linking to the LP page, that's simply https://launchpad.net/~<username> . Not all users have a wiki page and there isn't a default name for it
[00:07] <micahg> yofel: k, I guess that works better actually
[00:19] <penguin42> I *really* wish launchpad wouldn't lose the whole damn report when it timed out
[00:21] <micahg> penguin42: there's a bug open for it
[00:21] <penguin42> ah that's ok :-)
[00:21] <blankthemuffin> Hello, I've got a few bugs to report but not sure what to file them against. The first one being when you have automatic login enabled, the system boots and after everything has loaded it asks for a password. This dialogue blocks the screen lock, so. If I turn on my computer and leave it for a few minutes, I come back and there is just the ordinary password dialogue. But as soon as I put in my password the screen lock
[00:21] <blankthemuffin>  gets the freedom it was after and instantly locks the screen. Meaning I have to enter my password again.
[00:22]  * penguin42 is trying to figure out why the server vm he's updated to maverick isn't doing iscsi serving
[00:24] <penguin42> and wireshark doesn't want to play ball :-(
[00:32] <blankthemuffin> my second problem is that as soon as my battery hits the critical level, I get spammed with 'the system is about to hibernate' notices, and half the time even if I plug in it still powers down about a minute later. There is no timer or way to cancel, and it totally ignores the power status. when it starts to perform the actual hibernate. Also on occasion these build up so much that after plugging in and resuming, it s
[00:32] <blankthemuffin> till has all the warnings and proceeds to almost immediately hibernate again, this happens up to about 5 times in a row which usually means it's much easier just to force a power off and start again.
[00:36] <penguin42> blankthemuffin: I've seen a bug somewhere - maybe ubuntu, maybe fedora bug lists - about how once it's decided it's going to go and even if you throw power in it still hibernates
[00:37] <yofel> sounds like a g-p-m bug
[00:48] <penguin42> hi, any bug swauders want to look at #604087 - I'm seeing this and I think it's a fairly important regression for server
[00:48] <penguin42> q
[00:48] <penguin42> bug 604087
[00:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604087 in iscsitarget (Ubuntu) "iscsitarget fails with can't create a target 2 0 (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604087
[01:55] <stlsaint> vish: ping
[01:59] <stlsaint> ddecator: ping
[02:03] <stlsaint> anyone now the link on lp to start assigning bugs
 anyone now the link on lp to start assigning bugs  -- what are you wanting to assign bugs to mate?
[02:30] <stlsaint> kermiac: i dont know, vish gave me a linky yesterday that took me to a bunch of unassinged bugs and told me i could have at it on lp
[02:30] <kermiac> stlsaint: was it the first link on this page mate?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/EasyTasks
[02:31]  * micahg does not consider bugs w/out a package an easy task
[02:32]  * kermiac shrugs
[02:33] <kermiac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage makes it somewhat easy, but the difficulty varies I suppose
[02:34] <micahg> kermiac: I guess
[02:37] <kermiac> micahg: some can be almost blatantly obvious if you follow that wiki page, but I do agree that sometimes it can really be a struggle to find which package is causing the issue.
[02:38] <kermiac> stlsaint: was that the link you were after mate?
[02:39] <stlsaint> kermiac: naw
[02:40] <stlsaint> kermiac: it was this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&field.status:list=NEW&field.importance:list=UNKNOWN&field.importance:list=UNDECIDED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch
[02:40] <stlsaint> maybe i should have made that a tiny url eh?! :D
[02:40] <stlsaint> kermiac: http://tiny.cc/s36xt
[02:41] <stlsaint> hey i was just thinking, for this whole package ordeal
[02:42] <stlsaint> has anyone tried lfs?
[02:42] <yofel> what's that
[02:42] <kermiac> stlsaint: ah, that has a cpl hundred more reports than the one linked on the "easy tasks" page
[02:44] <stlsaint> yofel: linux from scratch
[02:44] <stlsaint> kermiac: whos the bug wiki editor person?
[02:45] <kermiac> stlsaint: I think anyone should have access to edit the bugsquad wikis
[02:45] <stlsaint> orly? >:)
[02:45] <kermiac> stlsaint: why, what's up mate?
[02:45] <yofel> stlsaint: the most I came close to that was installing gentoo...
[02:46] <stlsaint> yofel: aye, just something on my projects list ;)
[02:47] <stlsaint> kermiac: i was thinking, you guys could add a list of packages and what they do for a base install of ubuntu as listed here: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/package-choices.html
[02:48] <stlsaint> kermiac: maybe that can narrow down some of the package searching
[02:49] <kermiac> stlsaint: That would probably be best sent to the ML to ask for opinions
[02:50] <kermiac> stlsaint: 'apt-cache show PKGNAME' somewhat helps with that issue
[02:52] <stlsaint> kermiac: true but you must know the name of the package for that command
[02:53] <stlsaint> kermiac: also does the mailing list post *every* single bug transcation that happens on lp?
[02:53] <kermiac> stlsaint: yup, that can make it difficult hehe
[02:54] <kermiac> stlsaint: not the bugsquad or bugcontrol lists. They are for bug related discussions.
[02:54] <kermiac> stlsaint: I think there is a ml for all ubuntu-related bugs, but I haven't subscribed to it.
[02:55] <hggdh> yes, ubuntu-bugs
[02:55] <stlsaint> kermiac: exactly so a list easily accessible that shows what the package handles can steer people in a better direction for getting bugs to packages :D
[02:55] <stlsaint> kermiac: is there a mailing list just for discussion and not ALL bug transactions
[02:55] <hggdh> and apt-file search <something> will list all packages that deploy <something>
[02:56] <kermiac> stlsaint: yes, bugsquad/ control lists are for discussion. Sorry if i wasn't clear (doing 50 things at once hehe)
[03:02] <stlsaint> hggdh: apt-file?
[03:03] <stlsaint> you sure about that?
[03:03] <stlsaint> hggdh: i use aptitude search <name> if thats what your referring to
[03:04] <stlsaint> hggdh: but most bugs that arent assinged dont put the needed name such as: dbconf
[03:04] <stlsaint> so you cant just use: aptitude search dbconf
[03:04] <stlsaint> hggdh: catch my drift ;)
[03:05] <micahg> stlsaint: apt-file searches the files in the .debs, aptitude search searches the descriptions
[03:06] <stlsaint> micahg: is this what you and hggdh are referring to?
[03:06] <stlsaint> stlsaint@stlsaint-laptop:~$ apt-file --help
[03:06] <stlsaint> The program 'apt-file' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[03:06] <stlsaint> sudo apt-get install apt-file
[03:07] <micahg> stlsaint: yes, it's a cache of all the filepaths in the archive
[03:07] <stlsaint> micahg: gotcha
[03:08] <stlsaint> micahg: sucks it has to be installed though as most users probably arent tracking that, but im slow and you guys prolly have it in a wiki somewhere
[03:08] <micahg> stlsaint: it's not for regular users
[03:09] <stlsaint> micahg: i see, but isnt package assinging something that even a person who isnt a bug squad member can do
[03:09] <stlsaint> micahg: IE: a regular user
[03:09] <micahg> stlsaint: sure, but it's not required software
[03:09] <stlsaint> im a regular user yet i want to join bug squad and i didnt know that about apt-file
[03:10] <stlsaint> micahg: aye
[03:10] <micahg> stlsaint: no, I meant most people probably don't need it
[03:11] <stlsaint> micahg: aye, but this is why i suggested a list be added to wiki that shows the base packages for ubuntu and what they do. That way a user who doesnt know about apt-file can easily see what these packages do and can assign bugs to them more effectively
[03:11] <micahg> stlsaint: that list would be pretty long
[03:13] <stlsaint> micahg: meh, not too long as to be useless, just something of this nature: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/package-choices.html
[03:13] <stlsaint> micahg: a base package list of ubuntu
[03:14] <micahg> stlsaint: most bugs aren't in those packages
[03:14] <micahg> stlsaint: and the find the right package wiki page is much more useful IMHO
[03:21] <stlsaint> i may need to read into more than
[03:23] <stlsaint> micahg: indeed that wiki page is very nice
[03:28] <stlsaint> micahg: success, you guys did have apt-file in wiki! takes a little reading i see
[04:13] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[04:45] <stanley_robertso> hggdh, you there ?
[04:50] <micahg> stanley_robertso: can I help with something?
[05:00] <nigelb> ah,I have mail to send to bugsquad list
[05:04]  * nigelb hits the big red button
[05:06] <kermiac> not the big red button!!! :P
[05:08] <nigelb> haha
[05:08] <nigelb> ok, as usual, sent from wrong ID
[05:08] <nigelb> resent again :)
[05:09] <micahg> nigelb: I think you're about 10 hrs late
[05:10] <nigelb> micahg: how come?
[05:10] <micahg> nigelb: unless you mean next week?
[05:10] <nigelb> I mean next week
[05:10] <micahg> nigelb: k
[05:10] <nigelb> gah, I said "this thursday" - fail!
[07:01] <drew212> =( not a whole lot of people worked on this hugday
[07:20] <trinikrono> maybe too many scary seg faults lol drew212
[07:21] <drew212> seg fault? lol, whats scary about them?
[07:21] <drew212> alot of seg faults the people don't explain their issue, so its easy to begin work... lol
[07:21] <trinikrono> lol
[07:22] <trinikrono> have you got reporters to do backtraces?
[07:22] <trinikrono> thats what the pidgin developers are asking for
[07:22] <kermiac> can anyone remember where the info is on creating alternate "bug names"? I remember reading something about it ages ago but can't find the page again
[07:23] <micahg> kermiac: ?
[07:23] <kermiac> ok, i don't remember the exact name of what it was called, but instead of referring to a bug number, you could refer to a bug by a name
[07:24] <trinikrono> o.o
[07:25] <kermiac> i remember seeing it mentioned somewhere probably about a year ago, but i just got asked about it. IIRC there were "names" for (in)famous bugs
[07:25]  * micahg knows that's a feature in bugzilla, but hasn't seen it in LP
[07:26] <kermiac> hmm... maybe i was getting it confuzed with the bugzilla feature. I only half remember reading something about it very briefly a *long* time ago
[07:27] <kermiac> s/confuzed/confused
[07:58] <nigelb> kermiac: I think it might be in LP api docs, don't remember
[07:58] <nigelb> ask wgrant, he may know
[07:58] <kermiac> ok, thanks nigelb :)
[07:59] <kermiac> wgrant: are you around mate?
[07:59] <nigelb> just fyi though, all LP people are in prague hacking on LP, not many would be around on #launchpad ;)
[07:59] <thekorn> good morning, vish et. al. I'm so sorry I missed the last meeting, and reporting about my mentees, will write a report to the ML thread during lunch break later today
[08:00] <vish> thekorn: sweet! thanks.
[08:13] <wgrant> kermiac: Bug nicknames are deprecated.
[08:13] <wgrant> There is no longer a supported way to set them.
[08:13] <kermiac> ok, thanks for the info wgrant
[08:37] <vish> alrighty , this is what we need to do about bugs > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oraONu7Jp_Y
[08:37] <vish> as they keep coming in!
[13:07] <yofel> om26er: about bug 601686, what is the patch for exactly? It's already fixed upstream (It won't make it in time?)
[13:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601686 in telepathy-haze (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "tp-haze: contacts are removed upon deleting the group from contact list. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601686
[13:07] <om26er> yofel, if you delete a contacts group it removes those contacts too. poof!
[13:08] <om26er> fixed upstream and they recommend it for a stable release
[13:08] <om26er> *update
[13:10] <yofel> k, meaning we need to fix that in maverick soon so we can get to the SRU
[13:10] <yofel> before the upstream release makes it to maverick
[13:11] <seb128> you don't need to fix in maverick before
[13:11] <seb128> you can do the sru directly
[13:14] <om26er> latest version of haze only contained the fix for bug 601686. and I dont see it in debian unstable so I guess will take time for Maverick
[13:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601686 in telepathy-haze (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "tp-haze: contacts are removed upon deleting the group from contact list. (affects: 1) (heat: 292)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601686
[13:15] <seb128> you can still try to ask on #telepathy when they plan to update it in debian
[13:19] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[13:21]  * penguin42 is wondering if there are any other bugs similar to bug 605829 - it seems too noticeable a bug to only be affecting me and one other on maverick
[13:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605829 in metacity (Ubuntu) "metacity causing Xorg to hammer the CPU with a focus-request having timestamp of 0 (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605829
[13:22] <om26er> its good you are not alone ;)
[13:23] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[13:23] <penguin42> om26er: Indeed!
[13:23] <abhijit> hello stanley_robertso
[13:23] <stanley_robertso> hi abhijit
[13:23] <abhijit> stanley_robertso, whatsup?
[13:24] <stanley_robertso> do bug squad team organize regular meetings like other groups do ?
[13:24] <abhijit> stanley_robertso, yes
[13:25] <yofel> yes, every second tuesday of the month at 17:00 UTC
[13:25] <stanley_robertso> ohh cool.. thanks yofe
[13:25] <stanley_robertso> *yofel,
[13:25] <yofel> er, at the second tuesday of a month..
[13:25] <abhijit> !tab | stanley_robertso
[13:25] <ubot2> stanley_robertso: You can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[13:25] <yofel> not every second..
[13:25] <abhijit> yofel, :D :D lol
[13:25] <stanley_robertso> ok
[13:25] <yofel> meaning the last was 3 days ago
[13:26] <abhijit> I wll save this log its a good joke yofel :D
[13:26] <stanley_robertso> oh is it ? then i missed it ... as iam in process of my membership .. hehehe
[13:26] <yofel> :P
[13:26] <yofel> let me find the log..
[13:27] <yofel> stanley_robertso: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/13/%23ubuntu-bugs.html#t17:59
[13:30] <stanley_robertso> thanks yofel
[13:31] <stanley_robertso> do we have any videos.. depicting the work process of bug squad ?
[13:33] <abhijit> stanley_robertso, we have flowcharts to understand how to triage bugs
[13:33] <stanley_robertso> abhijit, thatz cool.. do you have the direct link handy ? if so.. can you share it here
[13:34] <abhijit> stanley_robertso, wiat
[13:34] <abhijit> stanley_robertso, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/Charts
[13:34] <stanley_robertso> thanks dude
[13:35] <abhijit> stanley_robertso, this is triage guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage/ and
[13:35] <abhijit> this is main page of bugsquad team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[13:36] <stanley_robertso> abhijit, i went through this flow chart yesterday :) .. thought some additional stuff might be helpful.
[13:36] <stanley_robertso> anyhow.. i will bookmark this link.. thanks :)
[13:36] <abhijit> stanley_robertso, ok
[13:52] <stanley_robertso> let me try.. in vbox channel ...  be right back :)
[14:56] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[15:54] <dyfet> I need https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/601420 marked as triaged, and also I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/600745 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/omniorb4/+bug/600723
[15:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 601420 in empathy (Ubuntu) "empathy cannot connect to my SIP server (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:58] <charlie-tca> What importance on the empathy bug?
[16:00] <om26er> medium would do It.
[16:01] <om26er> but thats internal ;)
[16:01] <charlie-tca> dyfet: empathy bug is done
[16:02] <charlie-tca> dyfet: update-notifier is done, triaged, low
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I don't do packaging bugs
[16:05] <dyfet> charlie-tca: thanks!
[16:05] <charlie-tca> no problem
[16:09] <dyfet> charlie-tca oh, and 604185 is on my list for triage, though that one may end up becoming a cannot-fix based depending how the upstart maintainer sees it, but there is enough info to understand why its broken :)
[16:10] <charlie-tca> bug 604185
[16:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604185 in vsftpd (Ubuntu) "Unable to start vsftpd with upstart if private key (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/604185
[16:10] <dyfet> yes
[16:10] <charlie-tca> let me look at it, then
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Okay, that bug is triaged, medium.
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Thanks for helping.
[16:12] <greg-g> thanks dyfet :)
[16:13] <greg-g> dyfet: and sorry again about last night
[16:13] <dyfet> Well, the SIP one I of course understand very well
[16:13] <dyfet> greg-g no problem at all
[16:13] <dyfet> I just feel bad for the other candidates that did not get a chance at all
[16:14] <greg-g> yeah :/ we were a little disappointed as well. That's why we are having a make up in 1 week.
[16:27] <dholbach> Last day of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in 33 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:22] <njin> someone can notice me why there's no builds today ?
[17:23] <micahg> njin: ?
[17:23] <njin> there's no downloadable images on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[17:26] <charlie-tca> Download the current instead of the date
[17:26] <charlie-tca> It will be from the 14th. I think the kernel is giving problems again
[17:28] <njin> charlie-tca: thanks, i have to test Xubuntu but there isn't, i'll test tomorrow :(
[17:29] <charlie-tca> xubuntu for the 14th, desktop image installs
[17:29] <charlie-tca> It will be in current, which is the most up-to-date available today
[17:34] <njin> charlie-tca: no, there's no image in current . There's no image to test, there's no pedro_  that mentoring me, i'm disperate, what i can do :(
[17:34] <charlie-tca> Just a minute, let me see
[17:36] <charlie-tca> I think you will have to do a different bug. The only images available are the Ubuntu Desktop images, and they may not work. Even the server images are broken today.
[17:38] <njin> Ok, i will go to translate then
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Maybe we will have images tomorrow.
[17:40] <njin> I hope, i'm waiting for pedro_, do you know at wath time generally it cames ?
[17:41] <njin> *comes
[17:41] <njin> *he comes
[17:41] <Darxus> There's a fix for #541492.  It involves 5 source packages (one of which is linux).  What needs to be done to get them in Maverick?
[17:41] <hggdh> njin: usually Pedro should already be here at this time
[17:43] <Darxus> Bug 541492
[17:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 541492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "MASTER: [i845] GPU lockup (apport-crash) (Should KMS be blacklisted?) (affects: 77) (dups: 30) (heat: 523)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541492
[17:43] <njin> hggdh: thanks
[17:46] <yofel> Darxus: you should ask in #ubuntu-x
[17:48] <yofel> someone got an idea what the 'Connect to server' app is supposed to be? bug 606357
[17:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606357 in ubuntu "connect to server (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606357
[17:51] <yofel> or does he mean that odd entry that had something to do with nautilus..
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Ask for more information from the reporter. You need to know what he really means, and what application "connect to server" is in
[17:51] <charlie-tca> Also, what version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu?
[17:52] <dyfet> If it is gnome, it is perhaps from places and part of nautilus
[17:52] <charlie-tca> but if it is xubuntu, it is gigolo
[17:53] <dyfet> And I think he is speaking of what could be called a feature enhancement
[17:56] <charlie-tca> again, more information is needed from the reporter
[18:01] <Darxus> yofel: Thanks.
[18:02] <yofel> Darxus: np
[18:02] <yofel> thx for the suggestions, didn't know xubuntu has a different one
[18:07] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:15] <njin> what can i do with old bug 360908 ?
[18:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 360908 in ubuntu "kashmiri language keyboard input for arabic script not available (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360908
[18:20] <njin> Mark as invalid, excusing for the delay of response,asking him if it contact someone ?
[18:21] <hggdh> njin: ideally, you should be able to check if it is now available...
[18:22] <njin> ok, i go to language selector and control if available
[18:25] <njin> hggdh: is available, then i mark Fix released
[18:29] <hggdh> njin: yes, thank you
[18:31] <njin> hggdh: i'm lucky, i've multiple mentors ;-)
[18:32] <hggdh> :-)
[18:32] <hggdh> njin: any one of us will help
[18:32] <njin> Is a beautiful group
[18:35] <drew212> micahg: how do i figure out what flash is usable in a certain distro of ubuntu?
[18:36] <drew212> micahg: because i can search for each type of flash using rmadison, but there has to be an easier way...
[18:36] <micahg> drew212: they should all be usable, just not necessarily together :)
[18:36] <drew212> micahg: so what would be the command to install flash to hardy?
[18:36] <micahg> drew212: well, depends if people use partner or not
[18:37] <drew212> what is partner?
[18:37] <micahg> drew212: for flash 9, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, for flash 10, apt-get install adobe-flashplugin if partner archvie is enabled
[18:37] <drew212> what would you reccomend for bug 602951?
[18:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602951 in firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) "flash player needed but won't apply to computer (affects: 1) (heat: 460)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/602951
[18:43] <micahg> drew212: well, if the user would've posted teh results, I could tell you :P
[18:44] <micahg> drew212: anyways, I'd suggest installing adobe-flashplugin on hardy
[18:44] <penguin42> hmm, that explains why it was so quiet - something dropped me about 20 mins ago
[18:45] <drew212> micahg: he said that the output said he didn't have any flash plugin installed, would it have said something else that was usefull?
[18:45] <micahg> drew212: yes, if partner is enabled :)
[18:45] <micahg> drew212: by ways of showing the policy of adobe-flashplugin
[18:45] <drew212> should i ask him the output?
[18:46] <micahg> drew212: nah, just suggest installing adobe-flashplugin, if he complains, then say flashplugin-nonfree
[18:49] <drew212> micahg: i feel like we need to educate him on how to copy and paste =P
[21:04] <thekorn> bug 592599
[21:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592599 in zeitgeist (and 1 other project) "Hard to use exclusive queries (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592599
[21:04] <dyfet> I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/603283 is ready for triage status
[21:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 603283 in shadow (Ubuntu) "useradd doesn't create /home/user_name directory (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 540)" [Undecided,New]
[21:04] <dyfet> oops. I see it is a dup...
[21:05] <dyfet> But I think the new one and the comments are correct
[21:06] <dyfet> (or at least my notes for the maintainer are...)
[21:10] <yofel> dyfet: I'm not sure if useradd is even supposed to do that, we have adduser for that
[21:11] <dyfet> yofel: Well, I simply noted that the behavior is correct per the debian changelogs
[21:12] <yofel> ah sry, I forgot to read your comment...
[21:12] <yofel> debian 39581
[21:12] <ubot2> Debian bug 39581 in passwd "useradd program" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/39581
[21:12] <dyfet> and hence specific debian bugs that can be referenced as to why it was done that way...
[21:12] <dyfet> yes, exactly
[21:14] <yofel> uh... very descriptive way to close a bug "Bug closed, ack sent to submitter - they'd better know why !"
[21:15] <dyfet> lol
[21:16] <dyfet> so we don't know why they did it, either :)
[21:17] <dyfet> But we do know that it was done
[21:26] <dyfet> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apcupsd/+bug/602978 may be ready to mark, too, though it too is an odd one :)
[21:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602978 in apcupsd (Ubuntu) "failure to kill UPS power over snmp/pcnet connection (affects: 1) (heat: 539)" [Undecided,New]
[22:46] <atrus> any idea why bug #229945 is marked invalid?
[22:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 229945 in network-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "wi-fi does not automatically come on during boot up (affects: 1) (dups: 2) (heat: 23)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229945
[22:46] <atrus> oh.. that's for the upstream task. disregard.
[22:51] <yofel> the upstream bug expired, as the asked for information and it was never provided
[22:51] <yofel> *as they
[23:27] <maxwellian> What do we do with bugs that were files against a package that has become a virtual package to transition to a new name?
[23:27] <maxwellian> filed*
[23:27] <maxwellian> e.g. bug 42622
[23:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 42622 in gnome-app-install (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Missing .desktop file (heat: 4)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/42622
[23:28] <maxwellian> That was filed against drscheme, which is now a dummy package.
[23:36] <yofel> maxwellian: I would set that bug back to fix released and ask the reporter to file a new bug agianst plt-scheme
[23:37] <maxwellian> yofel: Okay, thanks.
[23:37] <yofel> that plt-scheme doesn't have a desktop file has nothing to do with the drscheme package
[23:39] <yofel> I wonder if we can get rid of the transitional package in maverick
[23:39] <maxwellian> yofel: The previous patches seemed to apply to the drscheme package.  You're saying that's changed now, right?
[23:41] <yofel> yes, /usr/bin/drscheme is now part of plt-scheme, the desktop file might still apply though
[23:42] <yofel> actually you can link the new bug with debian 513390
[23:42] <ubot2> Debian bug 513390 in plt-scheme "include DrScheme menu item in package" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/513390
[23:44] <yofel> *sigh* Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:33:01 UTC - the debian folks really aren't better at taking care of bugs than we are..
[23:44] <maxwellian> yofel: Well this might be a good candidate for my first bug fix attempt.
[23:45] <maxwellian> yofel: But yes, a lot of the "bitesize" bugs are old, and it seems unclear how to deal with them.
[23:46] <yofel> yeah, but as we just sync the package from debian, this *really* should be fixed there, maybe send the maintainer a mail, or ask in -motu (or -devel?) how to contact the debian folks
[23:47] <maxwellian> yofel: You know that we just sync it because there's no XubuntuX in the version, right?
[23:48] <yofel> yes
[23:48] <maxwellian> yofel: So is it okay to try to make a patch, then send the patch upstream?  Or just e-mail upstream without trying?
[23:50] <yofel> not sure, we'll have a session in -classroom next week (22.) on how to use the Debian BTS, I'm sure you'll find somebody who knows more about this than I do there
[23:51] <maxwellian> yofel: Great, thanks for your help! :)
[23:52] <yofel> you're welcome
[23:53]  * maxwellian high fives yofel o/\o