[00:09] doctormo: how is empathy our default irc client? [00:10] we don't ship the irc bit by default do we? [00:11] popey: yep [00:11] i dont see the irc option on my default install here [00:12] or does it have some whacky name? [00:14] http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#How_can_I_connect_to_IRC_in_Empathy_.3F [00:14] ii telepathy-idle 0.1.6-1 IRC connection manager for Telepathy [00:14] oooo [00:15] akgraner: prod :) [00:15] paultag, poke [00:15] akgraner: howdy :) [00:15] akgraner: So, we have a skype in the 'morrow [00:15] yeppers [00:15] akgraner: any idea on what time would work? [00:16] what's a good time for you [00:16] lol [00:16] haha [00:16] akgraner: you're est, yeah? [00:16] Yeah, duh, NC [00:16] either before noon EDT or after 5p, [00:16] akgraner: I was going to say, after 3 as early as we can ( I have a dinner-date with the mum ) [00:16] so either before Dev Week or after [00:16] akgraner: 5:10 ish? [00:17] that will work :-) [00:17] akgraner: outstanding :) [00:19] doctormo: I still have no irc option in empathy.. how odd [00:20] popey: It' [00:20] popey: It's possible that I installed it in a fit of rage. [00:20] oh i have it installed [00:20] but still no option for adding an irc account [00:22] doctormo: http://popey.com/~alan/wot_no_irc.png [00:22] popey: ouch [00:23] odd [00:23] indeed [00:23] pretty clean lucid install [00:23] nothing in the repos i can see [00:23] this is why i was surprised when you said you were dogfooding our default irc client, given I couldn't see we had one :) [00:24] * popey reinstalls telepathy-idle for 'fun and profit' [00:25] meh, bed time :) [00:51] * jcastro returns [01:12] popey: you don't happen to be around and available for a membership review meeting, do you? [01:13] for how long? [01:13] popey: an hour or less [01:13] I'd love to but it's way past my bed time, sorry :( [01:14] yeah, s'ok [01:14] thanks anyways, popey, go sleep [02:00] pleia2, nigelb, maco2, cjohnston, greg-g, jcastro: I could do with a couple of folks to view and feedback on this Debian visual guide, I've pushed really hard to get it done so your help in editing would be greatly appreciated. [02:00] Archive of PNGs: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/foo/debian-packaging.tar.gz 3.8MB [02:02] * pleia2 adds to todo list [02:02] I'll have a look tomorrow :) /me out right now [02:08] hey doctormo [02:08] that looks great so far [02:08] who have you talked to about the "unknown" bits? [02:18] jcastro: MOTU [02:19] anyone from debian? [02:21] doctormo: what are you having issues with? [02:22] doctormo: I'm trying to learn more and I spend some time upstream, and I'd love to watch :) [02:23] jcastro: Not yet. [02:23] paultag: Did you read the guide linked above? [02:24] doctormo: just tar -zxvf'd it as you pinged me [02:24] doctormo: on #ubuntu-debian you can always pass it by lucas, and also Rhonda has been very active latelyt [02:24] doctormo: sec [02:27] thanks jcastro, will try to do just that. [02:27] doctormo: yeah I know a bit about getting a package into deb, I've helped people with it a few times, but the ubuntu-debian folks would be of more use then me [02:27] doctormo: and funny enough, I don't know anything about Ubuntu's system. Ironic [02:28] doctormo: there is also a debian ubuntu mailing list where you could probably get 2 birds with one stone [02:28] http://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk [02:28] paultag: I don't know about that, so far debian people have tended to be extremely verbose and unintelligible in the way they explain things. [02:28] doctormo: bah [02:28] doctormo: I don't mind them much :) [02:29] they can be a bit hard to get along with [02:29] but they get the techincal stuff out of the way quickly [02:30] and almost everyone @debian is nice enough, most of the deb users are lame [02:32] in almost every project the "users" and "advocates" are the ones causing problems. [02:33] "kde vs. gnome" and everything is just made up [02:34] It's a shame really. Every interaction I've had with deb users has been a bit odd. They come up ( seeing Ubuntu ) and go "Oh I use Debian" with this smug smile like "Worship me". I ask them why they like Debian and they say "Oh because it's so much faster". I ask them what window manager they run and they always say "Fluxbox, of course, what do YOU use, GNOME?". I smirk and walk away :) [02:34] jcastro: I know, who needs to fight with other window manager programmers. Although my dealings with kde and gnome developers has been very negative, I'm sure they're ok people at heart. [02:34] doctormo: KDE developers have been amazing [02:35] doctormo: the marble guys offered to change their library API to fit an app use case I was doing [02:35] paultag: the debian thing is like this: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990301 [02:36] jcastro: haha, +1 [02:36] paultag: I've never seen a distro "run faster" or slower than another on every day usage [02:36] other than some grave bug where something is running nuts in the background [02:36] jcastro: but it's funny -- I maintain Fluxbox in Debian. They have no idea that's what I do even though I'm an Ubuntu guy. I don't care to tell them, either :/ [02:36] jcastro: it's just that attitude that really gets me [02:36] users are like that though [02:37] ever hang out in #omg!ubuntu!? [02:37] haha, nope :) [02:37] is it bad jcastro? [02:37] let's just keep you unspoiled [02:37] :) [02:37] though I suppose it happens to everyone [02:38] just like how everyone has an Enlightenment phase [02:38] it's like an odd teenager phase [02:38] yeah, that's true. I spent a lot of time in debian from around 06 to 07 [02:39] I was as bad as the next guy ( esp beacause I came from Gentoo ) [02:39] then I signed the CoC ;) [02:39] paultag: where you at Ohio when I railed on gentoo during one of my talks? [02:39] in my younger days [02:39] back when I thought that crap was important [02:39] jcastro: haha, no clue [02:40] jcastro: I don't think so [02:40] http://funroll-loops.info/ [02:40] oh christ [02:40] I can see where this is going [02:40] yeah so me and a bunch of friends started that a few years ago [02:40] oh god [02:40] (I later found out that gentoo devs renewed the domain and maintain it now) [02:41] jcastro: man you just made my night :) [02:41] yeah so it's funny now [02:41] jcastro: I always hated the "larry the cow" [02:41] but you could probably make a page like that for every distro and it'd be true [02:41] jcastro: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security_holes.png [02:42] heh [02:42] paultag: what are we doing for ohio [02:43] jcastro: you tell me, boss [02:43] I think on friday we should do something cool [02:43] jcastro: for sure [02:43] not just lightning talks [02:43] jcastro: well duh, life's not about gnu/linux :) [02:44] jcastro: we could try an Ubuntu pub crawl [02:44] we already do that [02:44] bugger [02:44] not to take away from our prowess [02:45] jcastro: we could all crash a frat house. That would make some frat house legend [02:45] I am going to convince smoser to do an ootb ubuntu cloud on like, a few laptops [02:45] "yo bro all these dudes with this cult circle on their shirts came and drank all our beer" [02:45] that will be badass [02:47] jcastro: this years OLF will be a whole lot better, I think [02:47] jcastro: last year so much fell apart at the last minute [02:47] oh? [02:48] It felt fine to me [02:48] actually, it's blurry, was jacob there this time? [02:48] jcastro: one of our former members jacked the conf-pack and ran, none of our signs were around, and no one showed up because the team went idle [02:48] jcastro: yeah, he was [02:48] jcastro: and he'll be there this year too [02:48] rock [02:48] wait no, it was 2 years ago when someone ganked the booth right? [02:49] vorian was there iirc [02:49] jcastro: it was this past one that was without shirts or anything [02:49] jcastro: ah, vor is long gone [02:49] * jcastro nods [02:49] jcastro: that must have been two years ago [02:49] right [02:49] I just met you last year iirc [02:49] jcastro: yeah [02:49] jcastro: just for a few minutes, you were quite busy :) [02:49] wow, vorian, blast from the past there [02:50] yeah [02:50] paultag: This time I am not speaking so I will spend more time with you guys [02:50] jcastro: killer [02:50] thank freaking out about my talk [02:51] jcastro: what happened with that? [02:51] * akgraner is looking forward to OLF - hope one of the 3 talks I submitted will be picked - that would rock! [02:51] :D [02:52] paultag: which talk was it? [02:52] was it the gwibber one? [02:52] jcastro: wait, what? [02:53] jcastro: did you send a paper in this year? [02:53] no [02:53] I mean last year [02:53] jcastro: was that intentional or because of time squeeze? [02:53] (I asked scott moser to send in a talk this year instead) [02:53] jcastro: ah, yeah last year was gwibber, I think [02:53] jcastro: I'm pretty sure I was working the booth when you were talking [02:53] jcastro: good move :) [02:54] intentional, I've been talking at OLF for like 5 years, it's time people listened to others [02:54] nice [02:54] jcastro, but you are a natural! [02:54] I'm in the happy place where I can do talks at shows, but not deal with the pressure of keynoting [02:54] if I ever get to famous I can hand off to jono or someone else [02:55] I should really do a talk some time [02:55] I love speaking in public and all that, I have zero shame [02:55] yeah me either [02:55] do a lightning talk with me on friday [02:55] jcastro: I'm there [02:55] last time you just walked up there [02:55] plugged in [02:55] and went [02:56] paultag, yeah you should :-) you are a natural too... [02:56] jcastro: how long are they usually? [02:56] akgraner: thanks :3 [02:56] 10ish? [02:56] akgraner: how long did they feel? felt like 10? [02:56] jcastro: ah, I can do that no problem [02:56] well either that or crazy - I'll go with natural unless you have papers to prove otherwise :-P [02:56] jcastro, they felt more like 3-5 [02:56] lol ok [02:56] I plead the 5th? [02:56] but people had 10 mins max if they wanted to use it [02:57] iirc [02:57] they were like lightning, but in a vacuum, so way faster! [02:57] haha [02:57] Well I'll have to think of something of intrest [02:57] it seemed like no sooner had people got up there to talk - then bam they were finished [02:57] and the crowd was super encouraging [02:57] paultag: we should do your story [02:58] jcastro: which story? [02:58] booth one year, all involved next year. [02:58] jcastro: oh, yeah, for sure. <3 locos [02:58] "I was just some punk kid from ohio ..." [02:58] hahaha! [02:58] "last year greg-g beat me up and gave me a wedgie" [02:58] yeah good idea jcastro. I think I'll roll with that [02:58] "now here I am..." [02:58] oh man, I need to gimp up some photos [02:58] paultag, or "There I was between vendors..." [03:00] thanks jcastro, I'm so doing that. [03:13] humm, jcastro: still around? [03:14] yo [03:14] jcastro: have a sec for a PM? [03:14] yeah === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [04:48] doctormo: I'll do it tonight when I get home. [05:01] jcastro: I don't think you can get lightning in a vacuum can you? [06:30] morning all! [06:34] morning ara! [06:34] morning nigelb! [07:28] good morning all! [07:30] morning dpm! [07:30] hey ara :) [07:33] dpm,ara morning [07:34] hey kim0, good morning - how are you today? [07:34] dpm: Enjoying this very fine day :) [07:34] nice :) [07:34] morning kim0 [07:34] ara: Morning how are you [07:35] good thanks! it is Friday! :) [07:35] TGF :D [07:36] Why is it so hot in europe these days [07:36] was just checking czech .. it's 33 [07:37] and I thought it was only Cairo :) [07:39] good morning [07:39] Mr. Holbach .. Good Morning [07:40] dholbach: Wie geht es Ihnen heute [07:41] kim0: oh wow! sehr gut sehr gut! [07:41] :) [07:42] sabah alcheer :) [07:42] hehe :) saba7 elnoor [07:43] is everybody else still asleep? :) [07:43] dholbach, can you take a look at this survey and let me know if you want anything changed for feedback on Developer Week - after Open Week People asked for a survey to fill out so I figure we could see how they go over with all the Ubuntu Weeks :-/ [07:43] http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/D3WF8TB [07:43] good morning dholbach [07:43] hey akgraner [07:44] great [07:44] dpm: ^ anything to add above? [07:44] good morning dpm :) [07:46] dholbach, it looks good to me. It's short and concise - great work akgraner! [07:46] dpm is the survey master :) [07:47] dpm, I didn't know you had that talent - me notes that... [07:47] hahaha, not really, but I've done a few by now [07:47] and makes a list of all the other things I need surveys for :-) [07:48] (insert evil laugh here) [07:48] :) [07:48] I just upgraded my laptop to maverick - everything's still working - I'm surprised :-P [07:49] hehe [07:49] * kim0 is on maverick from day one [07:49] I can't stand stable software .. nothing exciting :D [07:51] kim0, do you have a couple of minutes to spare for me? I've got a document I want to make translatable and convert to PDF, and I want to check that Arabic looks ok on the PDF. May I ask you to translate a short paragraph for me? [07:51] dpm: Send me what you have [07:51] no problem [07:51] * kim0 types arabic as slow as a 5 year old :) but I'll try [07:52] heh [07:52] sounds like me typing my mother tongue too [07:52] akgraner: GO TO BED! ;) [07:52] nigelb, :-P [07:52] kim0, awesome, thanks. Here it is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/464390/ [07:52] akgraner: back after a quick nap I suppose? [07:53] yeppers :-) [07:53] I dozed earlier :-) [07:53] dpm: that single line you want translated ? [07:54] أوبونت! [07:54] :) [07:54] kim0, yeah. That'll do, I'm just testing things, no need to translate the whole document yet. [07:54] gnome-terminal doesn't do bidi nor shaping .. yuck [07:56] kim0, yeah, that's an outstanding bug we've got, it's not g-t's fault - it uses VTE, which supports neither of both [07:56] interesting, I think Behdad Esfahbod used to work on vte a lot - I would've thought he'd just implemented it there :) [07:56] nigelb, plus I bummed Pete is on his way to one of my favorite places in the whole world :-( and I couldn't go... [07:57] akgraner: hahaha ;) [07:57] now you know my feeling when I was at home for UDS :p [07:57] nods [07:57] dholbach, apparently it is very difficult to do - there is an upstream bug about it, and he goes on about how hard that'd be with the current software [07:58] * dholbach nods [07:58] I made him a list of all the things I wanted him to bring me back - he left it here - so I emailed it to him :-) [07:58] I wouldn't want to be in his shoes :) [07:58] :) [07:58] dholbach: especially when he comes back without them :p [07:59] right [07:59] dholbach: also, in other news, rhonda agreed to give session [08:00] I already got nhandler to add to calender and wrote to bug squad/bug control [08:00] nigelb: super [08:00] :) [08:00] * nigelb gets sucked into packge training coordinators [08:00] kim0: bugs.gnome.org is unhappy right now, but it's https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=579676 [08:00] Gnome bug 579676 in VteTerminal "Bidi (Bidirectional) language support" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] [08:01] oh, maybe there's a different one [08:02] nigelb, but you do that so well! :-) embrace your inner coordinator/facilitator... :-) [08:02] dpm: Here's the translated one http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/464393/ [08:02] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321490 [08:02] Gnome bug 321490 in VteTerminal "arabic, hebrew: character alignment not working properly" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [08:02] akgraner: hhaha ;) [08:03] weird .. we're in 2010 and computers can still write correctly :D [08:03] s/can/can't/ [08:03] kim0, awesome, thanks a lot! [08:03] kim0, dholbach, it's bug bug263822 [08:03] bug 263822 [08:03] Launchpad bug 263822 in vte (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "RTL (right to left) support in terminal (BiDi) (affects: 13) (dups: 3) (heat: 84)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263822 [08:03] in LP? [08:03] ah ok [08:04] there's the upstream bug linked there too [08:05] dpm: do you know "sonrisas y lágrimas"? [08:06] dholbach, omg, what are you doing on the Internets? [08:06] :D what the hell does that mean [08:07] dpm: ara and I were wondering [08:07] ara, you are a bad influence to dholbach [08:08] ara: seems he knows [08:08] dpm: I didn't hear about it until yesterday evening [08:08] I've seen bits of it, but not all [08:09] * dholbach is obviously not cinéaste enough [08:09] * dholbach takes the dog for a walk - see you in a bit [08:12] what the ... [08:12] dpm: what were you and dholbach going on about? [08:13] nigelb, oh, it's about a film :) Let me see if I can find the reference [08:13] ah, sound of music! [08:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sound_of_Music_%28film%29 [08:14] dpm: but did "omg, what are you doing on the Internets" mean? :D [08:14] nigelb: did you post something to the forums about the operation cleansweep? [08:15] dholbach: er, no, busy week. [08:15] want me to? tonight? [08:15] nigelb, I was just wondering what dholbach was doing looking for such films at this time in the morning [08:15] yeah, that'd be nice [08:15] :) [08:15] dholbach: I will [08:15] dpm: hahaha [08:15] * nigelb remembers seeing the English one as a kid [08:15] dpm: ara and I brushed it in a conversation yesterday and since I didn't know about it I was wondering if it was mostly well-known in Spain [08:15] ok, it's known in India too :) [08:16] ara: seems it's my own problem that I didn't know it ;-) [08:16] Sound of Music is classic! [08:16] Everone loves the songs :) [08:16] I saw it like when I was 10 and then quite recently when I met a friend with the CD :) [08:17] dholbach, see? [08:17] yeah :) [08:17] * dholbach better leaves and takes the dog out :) [08:18] ara: lemme guess. He never head of it? [08:51] dholbach: i was going to unsticky the UDW threads we stickied 2 weeks ago. Are you OK with that? [08:51] duanedesign: yep [08:51] today's the last day [08:51] * duanedesign waves at nigelb [08:51] dholbach: i thought if i waited till monday i might forget :P [08:51] * nigelb waves to duanedesign [08:51] duanedesign: it'll glare at you even more on Monday :-P [08:52] duanedesign: btw, can you help us gather some attention on forums about cleansweep? [08:52] I'm sooo *not* a forums person [08:55] duanedesign: are you a forums admin? [08:56] * vish would like some attention for papercuts as well , thanks nigelb :p [08:57] poor duanedesign [08:57] vish: yes [08:57] nigelb: yes [08:57] :) [08:57] duanedesign: sweet , papercuts can use some help as well , can we ? :) [08:57] nigelb: are you doing regular posts to the forums like you all are on your blogs? [08:58] vish: that sounds great [08:58] \oo/ [08:59] hmm , did i get so excited i see 2 heads ! [09:01] :D [09:15] vish: nigelb let me answer all the new threads in the U1 section (my stomping grounds) and then I'll touch base with you about your respective projects :) [09:15] cool! [09:16] ooh , some of the papercuts get discussed a *lot* , maybe we can create a tag "papercuts" on the forums and have the discussions on the forums instead ;) [09:16] reduce comments on lp ;p [09:22] morning all [09:22] duanedesign: thanks :) [09:22] we're not doing regular posts to forums, but we can if you want us to [09:26] nigelb: thought you were sooo not a forums person... :p [10:05] aloha [10:09] vish: I'm not, but if the situation demands.... [10:09] czajkowski: aloha! [10:09] morning czajkowski [10:19] vish: do you have a quick link to something i /5 [10:19] oops [10:19] vish: i was gonna ask you for a link to get up to date on papercuts project. I think i found a few things. [10:21] nigelb: dpm howdy :) [10:21] duanedesign: i was thinking of a link to > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut#Fixing%20papercuts and text saying "Save the kittens , Fix papercuts" ;) [10:21] vish: err, no [10:21] you have to keep attentio going [10:22] like post updates, hall of fame person of the week, etc [10:22] duanedesign: or how do you intend to have the sticky on top? like the single line blue one right? [10:23] vish: we can do a sticky with a description of what it is and how to get involved [10:24] duanedesign: yeah , you are writing up a post for the forums? or shall i write one? [10:24] vish: aff i see, those are announcments. stickies are below that [10:24] s/aff/oh [10:24] ah , i was thinking of announcements ! :s [10:24] vish: i was going to take a stab at it :) ill let you take a look before i post it [10:24] duanedesign: awesome :) [10:25] thanks! [10:30] nigelb: i am pretty familiar with the posts you guys do. who blogs about the project now? you [j]castro, [j]ono, [d]holbach? [10:31] vish: did you show dholbach your funky design for the LD ? [10:32] czajkowski: oh , right i have to! [10:33] now , where did i put it.. [10:36] duanedesign: me, jcastro, and dholbach alternate everyweek [10:38] nigelb: ok, was wondering in case i needed to pull from 'sources' :) [10:39] duanedesign: well, we pull from sources, it would be great if you could echo it. [10:47] \o/ now I understand why commit messages are fun [10:48] I inadvertently wrote some really funny commits over the past few hours ;) [10:48] dholbach: hi , for the LoCo Directory lp team : https://edge.launchpad.net/loco-directory updated the logo > http://people.ubuntu.com/~vish/LoCo-directory.png [10:49] dholbach: this has all the required sizes : http://people.ubuntu.com/~vish/LoCo-Directory-icons.tar.lzma [10:49] vish: WOW [10:49] dholbach: seems like you own half of lp teams! :D [10:50] I tink only the dholbach-huggers team is save from him :p [10:50] hehe :) [11:14] unbelievable [11:14] I've been waiting for a ppa to build since yesterday. :( [11:17] vish: very NICE - can you talk to mhall119 in #ubuntu-locoteams? [11:18] * ara is suffering from partial upgrades... now not in my main machine, my main laptop won't boot X [11:19] dholbach: sure , thanks! [11:19] jcastro: eh you're up very early [11:19] thanks vish [11:19] ara: what happens? [11:19]