| infosoft | jenkins: I thought you were going to sleep :D | 00:09 |
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| jenkins | I am too awake :D . And there was a date error in the newsletter | 00:10 |
| * jenkins googles more on the nexus one | 00:20 | |
| humphreybc | The manual is set to structured translations | 00:30 |
| jenkins | humphreybc: as in you have now set it? | 00:31 |
| humphreybc | no, as in it's been like that for ages | 00:31 |
| jenkins | it was not earlier today when I looked promis. some one has changed the focus of translations as well today | 00:32 |
| jenkins | *promise | 00:32 |
| jenkins | its now lucid-e2 | 00:32 |
| humphreybc | I just did that | 00:32 |
| humphreybc | but it was on structured already when I looked | 00:32 |
| jenkins | hmm, strange I would not have e-mailed if not. I will let the person know. thanks | 00:33 |
| jenkins | I wonder how easy it is for anyone to change that page? | 00:34 |
| humphreybc | no idea | 00:34 |
| humphreybc | I'd guess you would have to be an administrator | 00:34 |
| humphreybc | but I definitely remember I changed it to structured months ago when we initially had this conversation | 00:35 |
| jenkins | I am not one for the manual team | 00:35 |
| jenkins | i thought you would have done thats why I thought it was strange | 00:35 |
| humphreybc | mm | 00:37 |
| godbyk | I set it to structured just a couple hours ago. | 00:44 |
| godbyk | It was on Open for some reason. | 00:44 |
| jenkins | yey I was not going mad | 00:44 |
| godbyk | I'm not sure how it got switched from Structured to Open, though. | 00:44 |
| godbyk | The whole Launchpad translation system scares me. | 00:45 |
| godbyk | I think it fiddles with things randomly just to cause me grief. | 00:45 |
| humphreybc | hmm | 00:45 |
| jenkins | I would have changed it but I thought ben might have set it some where else. | 00:45 |
| humphreybc | I definitely set it to structured months ago | 00:45 |
| godbyk | Yeah, I distinctly remember setting it to structured. | 00:45 |
| godbyk | So I'm not sure what happened. | 00:45 |
| jenkins | i think the page is openly chnageable | 00:46 |
| jenkins | i will ask dpm tomorrow about the permissions of that page | 00:49 |
| godbyk | 'kay. | 00:50 |
| godbyk | Tell them to stop screwing with me. :-) | 00:50 |
| godbyk | We also had it set to disallow automatic translation updates, but that got re-enabled somehow, too. I reset that last week or so. | 00:51 |
| godbyk | It'd help if they set out notifications of such changes and be specific about who made the change and when in the notification. | 00:51 |
| godbyk | e.g., godbyk changed the permissions from 'Open' to 'Structured' on the lucid-1e branch on this date and time. | 00:51 |
| godbyk | or godbyk manually uploaded a translation template for import into the lucid-1e branch at this date and time. | 00:52 |
| godbyk | or launchpad automatically imported a translation template from the lucid-1e branch at this date and time. | 00:52 |
| godbyk | so we have some idea of what's triggering the existing notification emails and also get a heads-up when someone changes something. | 00:52 |
| godbyk | I think humphreybc can only stay online for ~5 minutes at a time these days. :) | 00:53 |
| jenkins | that sound a good idea godbyk, | 00:53 |
| humphreybc | sorry, had to restart to fix an apt lock. sigh. | 00:54 |
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| humphreybc | godbyk: I fear we're turning into the docs team re: translated edition approval | 01:34 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: What do you mean? | 01:49 |
| humphreybc | Well I just read your reply to Daniel and felt the old tl;dr coming into play | 01:50 |
| humphreybc | I don't want to put off translators from translating the manual because it's so hard | 01:50 |
| godbyk | Oh, well, has to be done. <shrug> | 01:50 |
| humphreybc | (and because we're such picky bastards) | 01:50 |
| humphreybc | Yeah, I know | 01:50 |
| godbyk | I don't think there was anything in there that was picky was, there? | 01:50 |
| humphreybc | as much as I want to maintain the quality throughout translated editions, I'd prefer we have translated editions with a few errors than none at all | 01:50 |
| humphreybc | Obviously we need a much better system for translations | 01:51 |
| godbyk | The basic problem is that there's extra text that needs to be translated. Things that don't appear on Launchpad's translation site. | 01:51 |
| humphreybc | I don't think that email was picky, no, but I swear that is like the seventh email I've read in the ML from Daniel | 01:51 |
| godbyk | Probably is. I've been horribly busy lately, so I haven't been quite as on top of things as I'd prefer. | 01:52 |
| humphreybc | Soon we'll be in August and still not have any translated copies out - which basically means we've failed at something which was going to set us apart from all other ubuntu documentation | 01:52 |
| humphreybc | I'm not blaming you :) | 01:52 |
| godbyk | At the same time, he tends to not provide quite all the info that we request. | 01:52 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 01:52 |
| humphreybc | well it's something we need to seriously think about | 01:52 |
| humphreybc | because, as I said, translations is something that was going to set us apart | 01:53 |
| godbyk | I just posted screen and print versions of the Greek edition and have emailed c7p to give it a final glance-over. | 01:53 |
| humphreybc | awesome | 01:53 |
| humphreybc | let me know when it's on our site and I can announce it on the planet / omg | 01:53 |
| godbyk | Once I get the cover from thorwil (which I just emailed him about) and the okay from c7p, I think we're ready to go with the Greek edition. | 01:53 |
| godbyk | Yeah, we definitely need to improve the translation process and make it easier to get translations released. | 01:54 |
| godbyk | If more people want to dive in and help, that'd be great. Aside from jenkins, I don't think I've had anyone step up and ask to how to help. | 01:54 |
| godbyk | So in general, I'm probably a bit of a bottleneck right now. We should look into fixing that (by getting more people who can help out with the things I do). | 01:55 |
| godbyk | We also need to step up our bug fixing on the second edition so it's ready to go by our 29 July deadline. | 01:55 |
| humphreybc | I thought most of the bugs were fixed? | 01:57 |
| godbyk | I don't know if most bugs have even been filed, to be honest. | 01:57 |
| humphreybc | really? | 01:57 |
| humphreybc | but we had that big competition with hundreds of bugs reported and fixed | 01:57 |
| godbyk | When I was converting the Rhythmbox section to html, I noticed a bunch of formatting bugs. | 01:57 |
| godbyk | They may be localized to that section, though. | 01:57 |
| humphreybc | (speaking of which, I need to send that book to our winner - but I need to raise funds to pay for it ;p ) | 01:58 |
| godbyk | Ah, c'mon.. it costs less than $10. :-) | 01:58 |
| godbyk | Did you ever get your copies, btw? | 01:58 |
| godbyk | Also, shouldn't you send them a second edition (so they can see their bugs have been fixed?) :) | 01:59 |
| godbyk | brb | 01:59 |
| humphreybc | I got one :) | 01:59 |
| humphreybc | ah, yes, good point | 01:59 |
| godbyk | back | 02:02 |
| humphreybc | So. Much. Stuff. To. Do. | 02:03 |
| godbyk | I hear ya! | 02:03 |
| zkriesse | hey synergetic | 08:08 |
| jenkins | hehe check this out http://www.googlubuntu.com/ | 11:05 |
| nisshh | jenkins: hehehe, thats cool | 11:21 |
| nisshh | jenkins: i noticed they left the e off google so they probably wont get shunted for copyright | 11:21 |
| jenkins | nisshh: I think google made it | 12:00 |
| nisshh | jenkins: possibly | 12:01 |
| nisshh | jenkins: i dont think they did though, it doesnt look nearly as professional or as minimal as google would make it | 12:02 |
| jenkins | nisshh: they did not at the bottom it says "©2007-2008 Made by Alrond" | 12:21 |
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| jenkins | daker: radius of 10px please | 22:27 |
| daker | oki | 22:27 |
| c7p | hello all :) | 22:29 |
| jenkins | thanks dak:) | 22:32 |
| jenkins | *daker | 22:32 |
| jenkins | hey c7p | 22:32 |
| jenkins | thanks daker :) | 22:39 |
| daker | np | 22:39 |
| jenkins | omg wheres kevin? | 23:27 |
| jenkins | he is always here | 23:27 |
| daker | LOST!!! | 23:29 |
| jenkins | Right I am off to bed night all | 23:31 |
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