[00:09] <infosoft> jenkins: I thought you were going to sleep :D
[00:10] <jenkins> I am too awake :D . And there was a date error in the newsletter
[00:20]  * jenkins googles more on the nexus one
[00:30] <humphreybc> The manual is set to structured translations
[00:31] <jenkins> humphreybc: as in you have now set it?
[00:31] <humphreybc> no, as in it's been like that for ages
[00:32] <jenkins> it was not earlier today when I looked promis. some one has changed the focus of translations as well today
[00:32] <jenkins> *promise
[00:32] <jenkins> its now lucid-e2
[00:32] <humphreybc> I just did that
[00:32] <humphreybc> but it was on structured already when I looked
[00:33] <jenkins> hmm, strange I would not have e-mailed if not. I will let the person know. thanks
[00:34] <jenkins> I wonder how easy it is for anyone to change that page?
[00:34] <humphreybc> no idea
[00:34] <humphreybc> I'd guess you would have to be an administrator
[00:35] <humphreybc> but I definitely remember I changed it to structured months ago when we initially had this conversation
[00:35] <jenkins> I am not one for the manual team
[00:35] <jenkins> i thought you would have done thats why I thought it was strange
[00:37] <humphreybc> mm
[00:44] <godbyk> I set it to structured just a couple hours ago.
[00:44] <godbyk> It was on Open for some reason.
[00:44] <jenkins> yey I was not going mad
[00:44] <godbyk> I'm not sure how it got switched from Structured to Open, though.
[00:45] <godbyk> The whole Launchpad translation system scares me.
[00:45] <godbyk> I think it fiddles with things randomly just to cause me grief.
[00:45] <humphreybc> hmm
[00:45] <jenkins> I would have changed it but I thought ben might have set it some where else.
[00:45] <humphreybc> I definitely set it to structured months ago
[00:45] <godbyk> Yeah, I distinctly remember setting it to structured.
[00:45] <godbyk> So I'm not sure what happened.
[00:46] <jenkins> i think the page is openly chnageable
[00:49] <jenkins> i will ask dpm tomorrow about the permissions of that page
[00:50] <godbyk> 'kay.
[00:50] <godbyk> Tell them to stop screwing with me. :-)
[00:51] <godbyk> We also had it set to disallow automatic translation updates, but that got re-enabled somehow, too.  I reset that last week or so.
[00:51] <godbyk> It'd help if they set out notifications of such changes and be specific about who made the change and when in the notification.
[00:51] <godbyk> e.g., godbyk changed the permissions from 'Open' to 'Structured' on the lucid-1e branch on this date and time.
[00:52] <godbyk> or godbyk manually uploaded a translation template for import into the lucid-1e branch at this date and time.
[00:52] <godbyk> or launchpad automatically imported a translation template from the lucid-1e branch at this date and time.
[00:52] <godbyk> so we have some idea of what's triggering the existing notification emails and also get a heads-up when someone changes something.
[00:53] <godbyk> I think humphreybc can only stay online for ~5 minutes at a time these days. :)
[00:53] <jenkins> that sound a good idea godbyk,
[00:54] <humphreybc> sorry, had to restart to fix an apt lock. sigh.
[01:34] <humphreybc> godbyk: I fear we're turning into the docs team re: translated edition approval
[01:49] <godbyk> humphreybc: What do you mean?
[01:50] <humphreybc> Well I just read your reply to Daniel and felt the old tl;dr coming into play
[01:50] <humphreybc> I don't want to put off translators from translating the manual because it's so hard
[01:50] <godbyk> Oh, well, has to be done. <shrug>
[01:50] <humphreybc> (and because we're such picky bastards)
[01:50] <humphreybc> Yeah, I know
[01:50] <godbyk> I don't think there was anything in there that was picky was, there?
[01:50] <humphreybc> as much as I want to maintain the quality throughout translated editions, I'd prefer we have translated editions with a few errors than none at all
[01:51] <humphreybc> Obviously we need a much better system for translations
[01:51] <godbyk> The basic problem is that there's extra text that needs to be translated.  Things that don't appear on Launchpad's translation site.
[01:51] <humphreybc> I don't think that email was picky, no, but I swear that is like the seventh email I've read in the ML from Daniel
[01:52] <godbyk> Probably is.  I've been horribly busy lately, so I haven't been quite as on top of things as I'd prefer.
[01:52] <humphreybc> Soon we'll be in August and still not have any translated copies out - which basically means we've failed at something which was going to set us apart from all other ubuntu documentation
[01:52] <humphreybc> I'm not blaming you :)
[01:52] <godbyk> At the same time, he tends to not provide quite all the info that we request.
[01:52] <humphreybc> yeah
[01:52] <humphreybc> well it's something we need to seriously think about
[01:53] <humphreybc> because, as I said, translations is something that was going to set us apart
[01:53] <godbyk> I just posted screen and print versions of the Greek edition and have emailed c7p to give it a final glance-over.
[01:53] <humphreybc> awesome
[01:53] <humphreybc> let me know when it's on our site and I can announce it on the planet / omg
[01:53] <godbyk> Once I get the cover from thorwil (which I just emailed him about) and the okay from c7p, I think we're ready to go with the Greek edition.
[01:54] <godbyk> Yeah, we definitely need to improve the translation process and make it easier to get translations released.
[01:54] <godbyk> If more people want to dive in and help, that'd be great.  Aside from jenkins, I don't think I've had anyone step up and ask to how to help.
[01:55] <godbyk> So in general, I'm probably a bit of a bottleneck right now.  We should look into fixing that (by getting more people who can help out with the things I do).
[01:55] <godbyk> We also need to step up our bug fixing on the second edition so it's ready to go by our 29 July deadline.
[01:57] <humphreybc> I thought most of the bugs were fixed?
[01:57] <godbyk> I don't know if most bugs have even been filed, to be honest.
[01:57] <humphreybc> really?
[01:57] <humphreybc> but we had that big competition with hundreds of bugs reported and fixed
[01:57] <godbyk> When I was converting the Rhythmbox section to html, I noticed a bunch of formatting bugs.
[01:57] <godbyk> They may be localized to that section, though.
[01:58] <humphreybc> (speaking of which, I need to send that book to our winner - but I need to raise funds to pay for it ;p )
[01:58] <godbyk> Ah, c'mon.. it costs less than $10. :-)
[01:58] <godbyk> Did you ever get your copies, btw?
[01:59] <godbyk> Also, shouldn't you send them a second edition (so they can see their bugs have been fixed?) :)
[01:59] <godbyk> brb
[01:59] <humphreybc> I got one :)
[01:59] <humphreybc> ah, yes, good point
[02:02] <godbyk> back
[02:03] <humphreybc> So. Much. Stuff. To. Do.
[02:03] <godbyk> I hear ya!
[08:08] <zkriesse> hey synergetic
[11:05] <jenkins> hehe check this out http://www.googlubuntu.com/
[11:21] <nisshh> jenkins: hehehe, thats cool
[11:21] <nisshh> jenkins: i noticed they left the e off google so they probably wont get shunted for copyright
[12:00] <jenkins> nisshh: I think google made it
[12:01] <nisshh> jenkins: possibly
[12:02] <nisshh> jenkins: i dont think they did though, it doesnt look nearly as professional or as minimal as google would make it
[12:21] <jenkins> nisshh: they did not at the bottom it says "©2007-2008 Made by Alrond"
[22:27] <jenkins> daker: radius of 10px please
[22:27] <daker> oki
[22:29] <c7p> hello all :)
[22:32] <jenkins> thanks dak:)
[22:32] <jenkins> *daker
[22:32] <jenkins> hey c7p
[22:39] <jenkins> thanks daker :)
[22:39] <daker> np
[23:27] <jenkins> omg wheres kevin?
[23:27] <jenkins> he is always here
[23:29] <daker> LOST!!!
[23:31] <jenkins> Right I am off to bed night all