[00:00] Now tell if I can help him >.> [00:00] her* [00:00] Hm [00:00] I'm gonna explain againt hen [00:00] Daekdroom: Let me guess, you use CD-RWs ? [00:00] I got a 16GB pendrive [00:00] penguin42, CD-Rs and MicroSDs :P [00:00] I tried both dvd and cd iso on it [00:00] under windows, with unetbootin [00:00] With the DVD, my hard disk is not recognized so I can't install on it [00:00] With the CD I just got the initramfs console and an error [00:02] Sephorah: It's getting the initramfs because it can't actually find the cd image for some reason; now tell me more about the DVD case; in the DVD case do you get the choice of getting a normal (non-initramfs) shell? [00:02] Yes I do, not tried but I can remember that on the menu [00:03] ok, from there try and get a copy of the output of dmesg and cat /proc/partitions > afile [00:03] Sephorah: That will show just what the kernel found [00:04] Okay I'm gonna do that [00:04] Just need to copy the dvd iso again [00:06] hold on [00:06] simple thing [00:06] penguin42: Do you have the MD5 or SHA1 of the dvd iso? maybe theres a problem with that. [00:06] no I don't, but I would hope that it's on the ubuntu.com site? [00:07] I haven't found it. Gonna try google [00:07] So, anyone having a little problem with the rhythmbox integration with the sound indicator? Mine's trackbar for the song stopped indicating where it is. [00:11] Found, the MD5 is ok. [00:11] Now mounting [00:11] Sephorah, if it still doesn't work, you might want to wait for the next daily image [00:11] okay [00:31] Daekdroom: It take ages to mount a DVD iso on my usb key. 75% right now. [00:33] Sephorah: Yeh USB keys arenormally very slow writers [00:39] Done. Now rebooting. Gonna do the dmesg and cat commands you wrote [00:39] see you [00:39] Sephorah: is back > did it work ? [00:39] lol, gonna try now :p [00:39] Just finished mounting the iso [00:39] brb [01:04] hmm.. is it just me or do we still have to use terminal to configure bt headset? [01:06] holy crap, we do [01:07] kklimonda: Never done it - blueman perhaps? [02:38] kklimonda, in 10.04 i was able to get my BT headset working with only GUI (haven't tried in 10.10) === emma is now known as emm === emm is now known as emma [05:26] Hello, I am having a graphics problem. When I boot normally I do not recieve a graphics output. However I can still interact with it. (i still hear the noise at the login screen, I press shutdown button and it shutsdown) If I add i915.modeset=0 to grub I get a "low graphics mode" The graphics card works even worse in 10.04. Does anyone have any reccomedations? === alien_ is now known as alien__ === JohnFlux_ is now known as JohnFlux [06:26] http://pastebin.com/eSXggfrS [06:26] hmm, that's what I get over serial console when I try to EFI-boot Maverick. [06:31] It's highly likely my UEFI boot mode is just plain broken. [06:31] Sometimes, something tramples all over the ACPI tables, and wipes out DMI, as well. [06:32] Or rather, something wipes out both. [06:32] I wish somebody would get HP to fix the first-gen EliteBooks. [07:20] Fri Jul 16 23:20:05 PDT 2010 [07:20] time for bed readyness stuff. [07:25] * Sary is away: Not @ Desk [08:12] anyone know about the mouse issue with maverick? [08:13] forestv: I have not noticed one, yet. [08:15] starting at about two days ago, relative mouse movement in sdl based games broke [08:15] forrestv: Have you checked on Launchpad? [08:16] Vig, i tried but i don't know which package it's relevant to [08:16] i'm not sure it's specific to SL [08:16] SDL* [08:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs [08:16] in fact, it's not SDL because i downgraded it [08:17] hmm nothing [08:18] forestv: That is the big list, I am not logged in,,yet [08:18] yeah, there's nothing relevant on it [08:18] anyway, anyone want to test this? steps to reproduce: `apt-get install tremulous` then try to play [08:19] this happens to me on two separate computers [08:19] forestv: Bluetooth device? [08:20] nope [08:20] i'm sure it's not hardware related [08:21] anyway, better description: about every second, the view angle in an FPS interface jumps to a specific angle [08:22] when a mouse cursor is visible, you can move it, but every second it jumps back to a constant position [08:23] only happens when relative mouse mode is enabled, happens in two SDL based games [08:25] forestv: I am not certain this is relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/16492 [08:25] Launchpad bug 16492 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu Maverick) "Mouse pointer should disappear when keyboard is in use and mouse isn't" [High,Triaged] [08:25] no, saw that === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [08:29] forrestv: You have two working boxes? [08:30] Vig, yes, both with the same problem [08:33] forrestv: Have you tried squeeze on one, like dual boot and test it? [08:34] no [08:35] i could do that though [08:35] That kinda makes sense to me, they are same kernel and such, [08:37] If it can be replicated on Debian, then that would narrow it down , if it does not, that helps to find the solution. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [08:39] weird.... the wifi drivers in Maverick are older than the ones in l-b-m-wireless-lucid [08:40] Most specifically, I need iwlcore to have the led_mode parameter. [08:42] Without that, the wifi LED blinking orange-blue-orange-blue-orange drives me absolutely batty. [08:43] DanaG: Did the previous one work? [08:55] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/606589 - anyone know how to tag this as maverick? [08:55] Launchpad bug 606589 in Ubuntu "relative mouse movement in games - cursor/view jumps to same position approximately every second" [Undecided,New] [09:30] has anyone else the problem that some init-scripts don't get executed after boot? Sometimes it works but the most time I need to start them by hand === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:08] geser: I didn't notice that exactly, but thanks to upstart being async, it's not unusual for some scripts (esp. sys-v-init) to be run long after login [10:09] morning btw. ^^ [10:09] ok, will check the next time if the start up at some point [10:10] but I've my doubt as my cups server didn't start till yet (booted 1 hour ago) and I had to start it [10:11] ok, that sounds too long [12:07] hallo [12:07] does anyone else have a problem with nautilus not mounting usb drives? [12:09] jonathonf: Seems OK here [12:10] hmm... wonder what i've done to it [12:10] thatnks, btw [12:34] anyone else getting a keyring unlock dialog on gnome start? [12:37] gnomefreak: yes (I get it due to auto-login) [12:37] geser: ah ok thanks [12:55] sam-c: please try this links in the topic it should give you most up to date additions === om26er_ is now known as om26er [13:06] got here at last [13:06] what is new [13:07] hello albert [13:07] sam-c: go to the last link in the topic for this channel it has most up-to-date info [13:08] topic? [13:08] sam-c: type /topic to read the topic for channel [13:10] hello friends whats the maverick topic now? [13:11] alpha2? [13:13] going soon [13:14] users [13:15] he is really starting to get on my nerves [14:19] hey guys [14:19] is it already decided wether +1 will get gnome 3.0 ? [14:20] christian_lappy, maverick will definitely not get GNOME 3 [14:20] oh [14:20] cause of sept release i gues ? [14:21] They didn't want to get over the 700MB limit because of libgtk2 and libgtk3 [14:21] and such fast transition would be likely to cause issues, given past experience with KDE4 [14:21] i dont like that reason [14:21] the first one [14:21] i can understand the second reason [14:22] i'm just downloading the latest alph [14:22] hoped for some nice gnome 3 tingies [14:22] Daekdroom: are there packages for 10.10 ? [14:23] christian_lappy, not yet, I think [15:52] gaaaaah... [15:53] can someone please put a check in gnome-power-manager to NEVER RUN if I'm not in a gnome session and only using a gtk app? Thanks.. [15:55] im noticing a weird issue with my web browsers -- the letter "b" doesn't come up in some places [15:55] anyone else seeing this weirdness? [16:28] when i reopen the laptop lid on kubuntu with a configured action of do nothing when i close it, it still locks my screen, the lock screen resume option is also not set, anyone know how i can fix that ? [16:57] Hi, i am trying to compile hg repo from v4l-dvb in ubuntu maverick but getting errors "implicit declaration of function: ...". I tried to deactivate modt of the modules, but i still get this. Is it a problem with the kernel (2.6.35) or with the compiler (gcc 4.4.4)? Or does anybody know how i could handle this? [17:00] why you want it in the first place ? :) [17:01] Because this bug still exists: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythtv/+bug/439163 [17:01] Launchpad bug 439163 in linux (Ubuntu) "HVR-1300 HVR-3000 HVR-4000 broken in kernel" [High,Triaged] [17:02] its fixed in the v4l-dvb master ? [17:02] No, but i know how to fix it in the source code for me. [17:02] Upstream sadly did not react to my bug report [17:04] get the kernel source [17:05] and fix it there ? [17:05] why fetch the v4l git for it ? [17:05] Because i know how to do that, and dont know how to compile the module from the kernel source ;) [17:07] Or lets say i did know it till lucid, because now i run into this troubles [17:07] what diff fixes it exactly ? [17:11] Reverting the diff as mentioned in this comment fixes it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythtv/+bug/439163/comments/36 [17:11] Launchpad bug 439163 in linux (Ubuntu) "HVR-1300 HVR-3000 HVR-4000 broken in kernel" [High,Triaged] [17:15] mmm, did you report bug in kernel ? [17:16] I reported it to v4l mailing list but got no reaction. [17:21] Or can i compile the module with an older gcc, so that maybe the error gets a warning? [17:21] nah shouldn't [17:21] have you tried asking in #linuxtv ? [17:22] yes, few minutes ago. Waiting for an answer [17:23] and whats the issue exactly ? will test this next week then [17:23] have a HVR1300 also [17:26] The Problem seems to be related to the s2-api. When trying to watch dvb with kaffeine (kde4 version) or mythtv >0.23 you get no lock on channel. Darron Broad and i did some debugging and he had the knowledge to do the patch and some more enhancements. Its all written down in the launchpad bug report. [17:27] In Kaffeine you get the the first channel, but when switching channel the switching takes effect after restarting kaffeine [17:28] brb. [18:10] re. Got it at least running with my old kernel 2.6.32-23-generic. And compiling does also work with this older kernel [18:31] are the nvidia drivers having issues with current update? [18:32] why cozziemoto ? [18:33] duanedesign, just updated system and no nvidia driver working [18:33] let me run nvidia-xconfig and restart to be sure [18:34] my ubuntu started in low graphics mode [18:35] so there could be an issue, i just switched to nv driver [18:36] cozziemoto: still the same ? i also had some issues with my nivida [18:36] cozziemoto: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/605837 [18:36] Launchpad bug 605837 in linux (Ubuntu) "After recent updates, X will no longer start with the Nvidia driver on maverick" [Undecided,New] [18:36] ah ok [18:36] Ran into the same problem adding "nopad" to the kernel parameter works as workaround like in comment #5 [18:36] darn and I am updating the other machine [18:37] nopat [18:38] see also bug 537218 [18:38] Launchpad bug 537218 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "" Failed to allocate video memory" nvidia-current on lucid" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537218 [18:39] gunni, is that put into /etc/default/grub? [18:39] it's defenitely not the kernel, as I'm running -8 with nvidia [18:39] (since yesterday) [18:39] gunni: what does nopat do? [18:39] Yes. "nopat quiet splash" then update-grub [18:40] I dont know what it does ;) i only know it works for me :) [18:40] heh [18:41] ok let me restart and try this [18:41] full instructions are described here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1427027 [18:41] * penguin42 can imagine the ptrace restriction is going to break some interesting stuff [18:43] penguin42: what for example? (we fixed some of the retracers..) [18:44] yofel: I'm betting wine will have some fun, but I don't actually know wine internals; it's just I've seen ptrace used for some particularly gratuitous reasons in the past :-) [18:44] heh, indeed [18:44] well, you can turn it off if needed [18:44] mm that didn t work [18:44] cozziemoto: you did run update-grub? [18:44] yep [18:45] hm [18:45] ok, let me try now [18:45] * yofel ponders if he should reboot.. [18:45] I'll first check what updates we got lately [18:45] Hmm, for me and the one reporting that bug it did work [18:46] let try something be right back [18:46] if someone else wants to check, here are the latest uploads (read it bottom up) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-July/date.html [18:47] oh, new kernel.. [18:47] nopat fixed the issue for me [18:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/606244 [18:48] Launchpad bug 606244 in linux (Ubuntu) "X doesn't find a screen and is not starting due a race condition" [High,Confirmed] [18:48] also X problem ... [18:48] seems like something is broken :p [18:49] dupondje: yeh it seems to be the same grub problem I hit [18:49] ok that worked but it does not go next to quiet splash but rather on the line below thaqt [18:49] that [18:49] penguin42: why is it a grub issue ? [18:49] dupondje: I'm not sure, there is something about removing the set gfxpayload=true [18:50] er, that should be either 'keep' or 'text' not 'true' [18:50] but I won't even pretend to understand how modern grub does its graphics [18:50] yofel: Sorry, yes it's the keep that's the default [18:51] penguin42: when was that changed ? [18:51] dupondje: I don't know, it's broken for me on Maverick - I only upgraded my main machine a couple of days ago [18:53] dupondje, penguin42: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-July/030995.html [18:54] can you try if removing /var/lib/ureadahead/pack and then reboot works ? [18:56] yofel: Ah that seems a good explanation - not happy on this box at least; there are +'s and -'s anyway if it does work; text rendering in grub in gfx mode seems VERY slow for no good reason, but at least if you can keep it in a high res mode you get enough screen so you can actually see a useful amount of boot messages [18:58] yep, text rendering is pretty slow in all framebuffers that I know though, but having if you get a nice resolution it's ok I think, unless you get so many messages that the framebuffer can't keep up.. [18:58] the last time that happend to me was when I was rebuilding gcc on gentoo ^^ [18:58] yofel: I'm not sure why it's that slow though; I mean it's still a 2.8GHz machine talking to the graphics card via PCI-e, I've seen faster text rendering on a 25MHz ARM [18:59] true... [19:13] ok that completely screwed my other system...wont boot at all darn....time for reinstallation... [19:19] would this issue be gone if I uninstalled gurb2 and went back to grub legacy? [19:24] cozziemoto: in terms of functionality, nothing [19:25] Hi, Im making a thumbnail generator, its a python script but will be in /usr/bin, Should it have a .py extension? [19:25] This is for a ubuntu package so thaught Id ask here [19:27] ideasman42: This is more a user support channel (for next ubuntu), I think #ubuntu-motu might be more relevant for packaging questions. [19:27] arand, ah thx [19:41] Awww. Quadrapassel is currently segfaulting :| [19:42] Daekdroom: Looks OK here [19:43] (quadrapassel:2444): ClutterGLX-CRITICAL **: Unable to make the stage window 0x5600006 the current GLX drawable [19:43] Falha de segmentação [19:44] I'm getting the Unable to make the stage window 0x5a00006 the current GLX drawable and some Error loading theme icons, but it's carrying on [20:01] Daekdroom: i had that a few days ago [20:02] testing agagin: it still outputs some errors, but the game is playable: ClutterGLX-CRITICAL **: Unable to make the stage window 0x6e00006 the current GLX drawable [20:03] Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading theme icon 'stock_scores' for stock: Pictogram ‘stock_scores’ [20:03] (i must say i am currently in a kde session) [20:04] correct pauze and highscore icon are missing in the menu, everything else is ok [20:23] wow, I foobar-ed pbuilder... http://paste.ubuntu.com/465135/ [20:24] hey anyone up for some testing? :D [20:25] * yofel goes into hiding [20:25] * evilshadeslayer grabs hold of yofel [20:26] yofel: do you have gnome? [20:26] as in pure ubuntu and preferably no kde packages [20:26] er, my lucid VM, yeah [20:26] hmm.. well.. lets check on lucid VM then [20:27] need to reboot though, brb, pbulider foobared /proc [20:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/465135/ [20:27] sure [20:28] anyone else? ... i just need to confirm some stuff with kmail [20:35] i have no configured kmail [20:37] what do you want to test ? [20:38] pvandewyngaerde: uh but you have it installed? [20:38] ( and this is on gnome ) [20:38] i use kde [20:39] pvandewyngaerde: yeah.. i need someone on gnome .. without kde packages.. or minimal kde packages [20:39] need to fix https://launchpad.net/bugs/588003 [20:39] Launchpad bug 588003 in kdebase (Ubuntu) "KDE Menu Favourites Defaults can include uninstalled items" [Undecided,Invalid] [20:39] wait [20:39] not that [20:39] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481831 [20:39] Launchpad bug 481831 in kdepim (Ubuntu) "KMail dependencies incomplete" [High,Confirmed] [20:40] yofel: ^^ [20:41] whois apachelogger [20:41] unfourtunately i have kdepim beta 1 packages that seem to work perfectly on maverick [20:41] pvandewyngaerde: one of the k/ubuntu core devs [20:41] he asked me to fix the bug :P [20:42] so you are R Garg ? [20:43] since i am on kde i think i cannot help you then [20:45] pvandewyngaerde: yes [20:53] evilshadeslayer: sry, was afk for a few minutes, vm booting [20:53] yofel: whee [20:53] yofel: after its done : sudo apt-get install kmail [20:58] can it be that we're booting *too* fast? I get failsave X on every boot, exiting to console gives me regular kdm after a few seconds. I suspect kdm tries to start before the nvidia driver had any chance to load.. [20:58] yofel: Missing dependency somewhere? [20:59] yofel: heh :p [20:59] penguin42: could be, but I'm not sure where to look, X log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/465150/ [21:00] yofel: uh.. [21:00] yofel: does X start afterwards? [21:00] yes [21:01] and does it show the nvidia logo ? [21:01] yes [21:01] ( line 135 suggests you dont have the module installed ^_^ ) [21:01] yofel: I don't know the Nvidia stuff, but I guess you could try adding the nvidia module to the list of modules loaded at every boot [21:01] yofel: oh .. pastebin xorg.conf [21:02] here's my *current* X log first: http://paste.ubuntu.com/465154/ [21:02] works fine [21:03] yofel: kmail? [21:03] installing [21:03] oh k [21:03] yofel: theres #ubuntu-x too btw [21:04] for some reason my VMs network connection doesn't get faster than 300kB/s *-.- [21:04] hehe :p [21:05] yofel: 300 KBps or 300kbps ? [21:05] yofel: Is this bug 606244 ? [21:05] Launchpad bug 606244 in linux (Ubuntu) "X doesn't find a screen and is not starting due a race condition" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606244 [21:05] (although that's nouveau) [21:07] dunno, I have a manual gfxpayload setting, so I doubt it, but It could be [21:07] evilshadeslayer: 300 KBps, latter would be unbearable :P [21:08] hehe [21:08] * evilshadeslayer has only 512kbps connection [21:22] evilshadeslayer: ok, kmail installed and set it up to use my imap acc. without kwallet [21:22] yofel: does it work and stuff [21:23] I can read my mails fine, khelpcenter isn't available though [21:25] evilshadeslayer: except for the handbook missing everything seems to work fine [21:44] Hello there :) === CaptainNemo0 is now known as Cyberkilla [21:45] I got troubles using the latest maverick kernel (2.6.35-8) . The screen stay black, I must use the 2.6.35-6 in order to login [21:46] yofel: can you put a comment there? [21:46] ( just had a power outage ) [21:46] sure [21:46] I think it's a ATI driver problem but I can be wrong [21:46] Can you help me? === evilshadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer [21:49] Sephorah: I have similar, there are a couple of things [21:49] Any fix ? [21:49] Sephorah: Yeh, just give me a sec [21:50] Okay, thanks :) [21:50] so first see bug 605614 - when you boot with grub remove the load_video and set gfxpayload=keep lines , that's got a fair chance of fixing it [21:50] Launchpad bug 605614 in linux (Ubuntu) "[ATI] GPU lockup with gfxpayload=keep" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605614 [21:51] Sephorah: There's a link in that bug describing the problem, and also I think a note about how to change the grub config [21:51] penguin42, how to remove that ? Do I have to edit the cfg? [21:51] oh ok [21:53] penguin42, gonna add the GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text line [21:53] yeh should do it [21:53] I can add it anywhere in the conf file? [21:55] now rebooting [21:55] http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml [21:55] Sephorah: That bug just suggests adding a GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text to /etc/default/grub then you would have to run update-grub [21:55] oh [21:56] as a side affect of installing cryptsetup also I have the splash display from just after grub to desktop :0 [21:58] Same problem [21:58] penguin42, still got a black screen [21:59] Sephorah: So just explain exactly what you did [21:59] I added the line in the beggining of the conf [22:00] which conf and what line exactly [22:00] * shadeslayer has full plymouth res with nvidia drivers [22:00] the softpedia stuff works [22:00] penguin42, /etc/grub.d/10_linux [22:00] penguin42, and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text [22:01] Sephorah: Add it to /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub and try again [22:01] okay [22:01] penguin42, should I delete it from the 10_linux file? [22:02] yeh put that back to normal [22:03] okay done [22:03] reboot [22:07] penguin42, still a black screen.. [22:11] Sephorah: hmm, ok, get the grub menu up, edit the set gfx line and load_video out and also remove the quiet and splash off the kernel line [22:13] penguin42, what do you mean by "set gfx line" ? I remove it? [22:14] Sephorah: if you hit shift, and hit edit on the entry in grub delete the lines load_video and set gfxpayload=keep [22:14] Sephorah: Then delete the quiet and splash keywords off the kernel and hit ctrl-x to boot it [22:14] okay [22:24] still playing with the ugly boot splash? [22:25] duffydack: In the case of some of us it's not a case of ugly, it's a case of black [22:26] does not http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml work ? does for me [22:26] duffydack: they made gfxpayload=keep the default now, breaks boot for some people [22:27] yofel, never needed to edit that line myself.. oh wells [22:28] well, the post uses "uvesafb mode_option=1280x1024-24 mtrr=3 scroll=ywrap" [22:28] usually you would set GRUB_GFXMODE to the resolution and use gfxpayload=keep [22:29] there are like a few hundred ways to get proper splash resolution, we need to find the one that works for all [22:30] yofel, I thought that did. Not heard anyone say otherwise. [22:30] duffydack: well, I use gfxpayload=keep with nvidia fine here, but nouveau seems to be very unhappy with it for some reason [22:31] duffydack: Well, that's arbitrarily setting the resolution to something that might just happen to be right for someones monitor, while tweaking the mtrr in a fairly arbitrary way [22:31] I dont use grub gfx mode, only when I used burg but I thought looking at something for 2s wasnt enough to warrant using it. [22:32] penguin42, thats not my resolution I use. I use one thats supported by my screen. [22:32] vbeinfo at grub cmd line gives you your available vesa resolutions. I use one of those. [22:33] duffydack: doesn't matter, did you try what happens if you use your settings and then use nouveau or vesa? do they still work? [22:33] * duffydack < ati [22:33] well, any driver for that matter [22:34] yofel, I dont get your question. [22:34] duffydack: the developers decided to use gfx mode in grub by default now instead of text which was used until now, some drivers don't seem to like that [22:34] that's what we're discussing [22:35] My grub is still not graphical, I think.. [22:35] I haven't rebooted in 2 days. [22:35] grub is still not graphical now [22:35] grub now uses graphical mode but still in 640x480, so if it works you won't see a difference [22:35] I use ATI proprietary which gives me ugly boot, then I just followed that guide using my own res and job done.. I dont know about anyone elses but I have not read any problems either [22:36] duffydack: we're just trying to fix the ugly part... [22:36] but it's not just a matter of "enable graphical mode and set some resolution for everyone" [22:37] yofel, I thought using vesa would work for everyone [22:38] duffydack: we would like to use the usual driver and thus set grub back to text mode.. [22:38] true its not your max res, like for example my lcd is 1920x1080 and my max vesa is 1400x1050 [22:38] but its good enough [22:38] yofel: its the kernel that starts in graphic mode? not grub ? :) [22:39] I used burg once, it was ok, a novelty really, but it worked ok [22:39] dupondje: er right, sry, not taking enough time to think before writing.. [22:40] seems like most drivers are affected btw [22:40] but its not 100% broken [22:40] sometimes it works [22:40] sometimes it doesn't [22:52] * penguin42 wonders whether the lack of Sephorah is a sign it worked for him or that it's broken completely [22:53] her. [22:53] Sephorah is a her. [22:53] oh, erm right, I couldn't tell [22:53] I called her him at first too :| [22:55] So, after reading this whole link: http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/ [22:56] I'm wondering what's really wrong about using notification area to hide apps that we don't want to clutter the taskbar [22:57] Daekdroom: Yeh, I think the primary reason is that you can end up with zillions of things in there in no particular order [22:57] but I am a bit worried about the replacement as well [22:58] So am I, because they did like.. give rhythmbox one >.> [22:59] Daekdroom: I think the intention is that you have a few things that hold the information on a bunch of related things; e.g. everything for sound, everything for messaging, everything for networking - and that doesn't sound that bad an idea [22:59] Daekdroom: because notification area, just as the name indicates, is for notifications and not to hide shortcomings of the current task switcher implementation [22:59] kklimonda: By the task switcher limitations you mean the way some things use notification area to raise/open the main window? [23:00] Daekdroom: rhythmbox will most likely go into sound indicator and the notification area icon will be removed. [23:00] kklimonda, I know, I realized that when they made the new sound-indicator [23:00] penguin42: I mean the fact that windows that are minimalized take just as much space and look almost the same as unminimalized ones. [23:01] kklimonda, but why not do it from the beginning? :| [23:01] Daekdroom: because we don't have unlimited resources. [23:01] well.. that's true.. [23:01] kklimonda: Ah OK; but of course the notification area gets used for a load of other stuff as well [23:01] penguin42: like what? [23:02] Daekdroom: it would be great to have enough developers and testers to create new, awesome features behind closed door and then present them when they are ready and polished.. on the other hand that would also bring criticism.. [23:03] kklimonda: Well the network manager status isn't an indication of the limit of the task manager as I see it, neither are the little summary things for music players [23:04]