[00:36] <akgraner> dang it  - my software center won't open  - grrrrr
[01:18] <akgraner> woo hoo  - ubuntu-bug makes it so easy to file bugs now :-)
[01:18] <akgraner> and I thought it was easy with apport  - but now  - \0/ happy dance
[01:20] <nigelb> akgraner: er, ubuntu-bug uses apport ;)
[01:21] <akgraner> I know it's the wrapper right? or something like that right?
[01:21] <nigelb> yeah :)
[01:21] <akgraner> and I just learned you can still use apport like before too  - woo hoo :-)  I gots options :-)
[01:23] <akgraner> unless I totally misunderstood - I get happy of the smallest things
[01:24] <akgraner> nigelb, so do you have a few minutes to help me with this people page stuff
[01:24] <akgraner> I still can't ssh into mine :-(
[01:25] <nigelb> akgraner: sure :)
[01:25]  * nigelb is still in wake up proces though
[01:26] <akgraner> hehe no worries
[01:26]  * akgraner is in the go to sleep process as an unwilling participant :-)
[01:27] <akgraner> nigelb, at least I can find it :-)  and I know it exists
[01:28] <akgraner> http://people.ubuntu.com/~akgraner/
[01:39] <akgraner> Thanks nigelb!! I filed a bug and got to the people page  - I deserve some chocolate for that :-P
[01:39]  * akgraner goes to bake cookies!
[05:09] <doctormo> pleia2, maco: I'm releasing a new version of the ubuntu-women t-shirt and wallpaper svg, the pngs are the same but the files are WAY to big, I looked into it and the ubuntu studio logo has 900KB of unused defs that were imported into the file. So I vacuumed them and took the files down from 1.1MB to 128KB each.
[05:10] <pleia2> oh excellent
[05:10] <doctormo> How anyone could not have noticed 3600 unused defs in the ubuntu-studio logo is a bit odd. I better let them know too.
[05:10]  * pleia2 nods
[05:11] <nigelb> pleia2: LOL @ 'thats what I do on friday nights' ;)
[05:12] <pleia2> :)
[05:12] <pleia2> I am pretty cool
[05:12] <nigelb> heh, no doubt there :)
[05:13] <pleia2> lol
[05:16] <pleia2> doctormo: received, thanks :)
[05:21] <doctormo> great, I wonder how I can get in touch with the studio guide
[05:21] <doctormo> guys(
[05:21] <IdleOne> #ubuntustudio
[05:22] <pleia2> hey IdleOne :)
[05:22] <IdleOne> Evening
[05:22] <IdleOne> /morning or afternoon
[05:23] <IdleOne> How is pleia2 doing on this Friday?
[05:23] <nigelb> IdleOne: her twitter status pretty much sums it up :p
[05:24] <pleia2> slackin'
[05:24] <IdleOne> I don't twit
[05:24] <IdleOne> slackin' is good
[05:24] <pleia2> how are things in the great white north?
[05:24] <IdleOne> I made a concious choice to stop using all social networking sites except for IRC
[05:25] <IdleOne> pleia2: slow :/
[05:25] <IdleOne> I also learned today I can't fly to OZ
[05:25] <nigelb> oh, why?
[05:25] <IdleOne> all flights from MTL stop in the US
[05:26]  * IdleOne is not welcomed in the US
[05:26] <nigelb> ugh.  can touch vancouver and connect from there?
[05:26] <IdleOne> nope
[05:26] <nigelb> (or london)
[05:26] <IdleOne> yeah I guess I could go that way
[05:27]  * nigelb thinks london connections should be available
[05:27] <IdleOne> would cost me 5 times as much though
[05:27] <nigelb> ugh
[05:27] <nigelb> fail
[05:27] <IdleOne> fail on my part indeed
[05:27] <IdleOne> I has this urge yesterday to go to Australia heh
[05:27] <IdleOne> not sure why
[05:28] <IdleOne> so looked it up and fail
[05:28] <nigelb> LOL
[05:28] <nigelb> go to france, somone from qc sure would be welcome there :p
[05:29] <IdleOne> nigelb: I am looking more for an adventure/place in the world that would be completely foreign in landscape
[05:29] <IdleOne> France also just does not interest me
[05:29] <IdleOne> heh
[05:29] <nigelb> anyplace looks green compared to the great white north :p
[05:30]  * nigelb runs
[05:30] <IdleOne> You people make it sound like Canada is all ice and snow all the time
[05:30] <nigelb> haha
[05:30] <nigelb> I know its very got now and its summer
[05:30] <nigelb> but still doesn't stop me from pulling your leg about it :D
[05:30] <IdleOne> ask highvoltage about the heat :)
[05:30] <nigelb> s/got/hot
[05:31] <nigelb> btw, its summer in montreal and you wanna get away? I thought it was *the* place to be in the summer
[05:31] <IdleOne> yeah, well I think I need to run away
[05:31] <IdleOne> to find myself
[05:31]  * IdleOne has not been very happy lately and being here is not helping me
[05:33]  * pleia2 hugs IdleOne
[05:33]  * IdleOne hugs back
[05:34] <IdleOne> I was thinking if I sell my car and computer and with what I have in the bank I should be able to go somewhere for a month or so
[05:34] <IdleOne> yeah my car is a POS
[05:34] <IdleOne> lol
[05:35] <IdleOne> actually my computer cost more then my car haha
[10:14] <popey> .6
[10:15] <popey> bah
[10:19] <duanedesign> :)
[10:19] <duanedesign> i do that at least once a day
[11:20] <czajkowski> morning
[11:27] <duanedesign> mornirng czajkowski
[11:27] <czajkowski> duanedesign: how's things?
[11:57] <sense> good afternoon
[12:37]  * popey hmmms at loco-contacts
[12:38] <popey> thats the most discussion we've had for ages
[13:52] <paultag> popey: >:(
[13:52] <paultag> popey: and it's over something that has nothing to do with locos... great.
[13:53] <popey> well..
[13:53] <popey> maybe we're wrong
[13:53] <popey> note that we're all in english speaking locos
[13:53] <popey> so translations are less of an issue
[13:53] <paultag> popey: sure, there is always a great chance that we are wrong
[13:53] <popey> we're also somewhat closer to canonical so we have the influence of being slightly less freedom loving zealots as people out in the field?
[13:53] <popey> just a guess
[13:55] <paultag> popey: yeah, I can see where you're comming from
[13:55] <paultag> popey: I just think it's not a loco issue :)
[13:59] <popey> its a tricky one, international, different cultures
[14:00] <paultag> yeah
[14:01] <paultag> Oh well. No big deal, any conversation is good conversation, I guess.
[14:06] <popey> :_)
[14:06] <popey> -_
[14:08]  * nigelb waves
[14:08] <nigelb> good evening folks  :)
[14:11] <paultag> 'lo nigelb
[14:15] <sense> The language barrier is a huge problem indeed. There are people in my LoCo refusing to use Launchpad, Planet Ubuntu and the Ubuntu Wiki because it's not in Dutch. Some have troubles fully understanding it, some just want to use their own language.
[14:17] <AlanBell> so what do they use sense?
[14:18] <sense> the forums and the Dutch wiki
[14:18] <sense> the Dutch forums, of course
[14:18] <sense> There are of course some people using the English resources, but not all
[14:19] <sense> That's also because they find it hard to debate/discuss with people who speak English natively. It's hard to be equal to your debating opponent if (s)he knows the language much much better.
[14:19] <nigelb> thankfully we have less of that issue.  If someone knows about computers, then though enough english to use it.
[14:19] <nigelb> g26
[14:19] <nigelb> grr
[14:20] <sense> It is often forgotten by some people that not everyone speaks as good English as they (native speakers).
[14:20] <sense> I mean, the leaflets we were sent for the conferences were always in English. It's nice, but useless.
[14:22] <nigelb> Logistically speaking, I can't see a company manufacturing leaflets for every language
[14:22] <nigelb> Most I can see is giving permission to use their logo for this purpose
[14:22] <nigelb> I've seen the tamil loco have flyers etc
[14:23] <sense> That's understandable of course, but that does make them a waste of paper for us. But they're removed from the conference pack now, I think.
[14:24] <nigelb> There was some discussion at last UDS about giving community feedback to the conference pack
[14:24] <nigelb> btw, you should know! you were there :p
[14:24] <popey> its on our to-do list
[14:25] <nigelb> Aha, see :)
[14:25] <nigelb> oh, I need to pick a place for ubuntu hour
[14:25] <nigelb> and fix a time
[14:27] <sense> Some consciousness raising would be useful, though. There is a reason why Americans dominate so many open source communities: they're the largest English speaking country. It's much harder for other people to contribute, simply because of the language barrier.
[14:28] <nigelb> Also, the language unites a huge group of people
[14:28] <nigelb> Its very tough to cooperate if you can't communicate effectively
[14:28] <sense> yes
[14:29] <nigelb> Indian companies face this issue all the time.  Mostly they say, if you can handle enlish well enough and have some common sense, you'll survive here.
[14:29] <nigelb> But if not, even an engineering degree isn't going to get you a job :/
[14:30] <sense> It's harder to get your message through if you don't speak a language properly, people won't listen to you or treat you like a child, and it costs you more energy to communicate. There is a higher chance of misunderstandings. It makes communicating harder and therefore people find it less fun to do, and will communicate less and less.
[14:31] <nigelb> I dont have the link now, but I think pleia2 or czajkowski tweeted about it.
[14:31] <nigelb> There was an article that talked about seeing broken english on mailing lists and forums.
[14:31] <sense> I mean, look at who take the leading positions in the community: they're mostly American/British/Irish. You could say that it is that way because those countries are the most active in the community, but that's of course for the same reason.
[14:31] <nigelb> The author said he was glad to see it because it means more people were participating and were trying their best
[14:32] <nigelb> sense: missed Austrialian btw
[14:33] <nigelb> and specifically no need to appologise for language slip ups.
[14:33] <nigelb> It is awesome for example to see kim0 leading the cloud community :)
[14:34] <sense> yeah
[14:34] <nigelb> I'm personally glad that we're improving.  There are problems.  A huge lot of issues of pride too.
[14:35] <nigelb> Like, you can't expect people to learn English to have a project
[14:35] <nigelb> but it remains the more well known way to communicate
[14:35] <nigelb> I would be awfully pissed off going to a project and seeing no instructions in English.
[14:39] <sense> yes
[14:39] <popey> i do worry that the locos look at 'us' and think 'meh, we'll just get on with our stuff'
[14:40] <sense> I see that attitude at times as well.
[15:11] <nigelb> omg, paultag
[15:11] <nigelb> its your birthday?
[15:12] <paultag> nigelb: no
[15:13] <paultag> nigelb: I made the mistake of messing with iain
[15:13] <nigelb> paultag: its his birthday today?
[15:13] <paultag> nigelb: I made everyone wish him a happy birthday and some of the people who are not in on it started wishing him happy birthday
[15:13] <paultag> nigelb: then he went after me, and my bifday is hidden as well, so bah!
[15:13] <paultag> I'm going to strangle AT&T
[15:14] <nigelb> paultag: the real question at the end of day is
[15:14] <nigelb> is it YOUR birthday TODAY? :D
[15:14] <paultag> nosir :)
[15:14] <nigelb> aw
[15:14] <nigelb> I install figlet just for the occasion :D
[15:14] <paultag> nigelb: april 16th is my day of womb egress
[15:15] <nigelb> aha
[15:15] <nigelb> im glad you did tell it was the day of your git init :p
[15:15]  * nigelb runs.  fast.
[15:15] <paultag> hahaha
[15:15] <nigelb> *didn't
[15:15] <paultag> i've been told i'm a git
[15:15] <nigelb> haha
[15:17] <akgraner> nigelb, the article you were referring to earlier is on Zonker wrote - http://ostatic.com/blog/more-bad-english-please
[15:17] <nigelb> akgraner: aha, that one :)
[15:17]  * nigelb hugs akgraner 
[15:17] <akgraner> awww thanks!
[15:18] <akgraner> paultag, sorry I yakked  your ear off :-(   - I have scheduled time out of the house with real live adults at least once a week so I don't ramble so much :-/
[15:19] <nigelb> I wonder how drunk paultag was then :p
[15:19] <paultag> akgraner: not at all!!!!!
[15:19] <paultag> akgraner: I enjoyed our talk
[15:19] <paultag> nigelb: I was sober
[15:20] <nigelb> :)
[15:20] <paultag> I'm about to kill at&t, brb calling tech line *again*
[15:21] <nigelb> if /me gets back to work
[15:22] <akgraner> Hey has anyone used a really good  open source newsletter creation tool/application (not scribus or inkscape)... that has professional yet some easily tweekable  templates
[15:22]  * akgraner resists the urge to use pages...
[15:23] <akgraner> and has anyone used Redmine before?
[15:24] <jussi> akgraner: yes, as a user
[15:25] <jussi> akgraner: quassel uses it
[15:25] <akgraner> how do you like it?
[15:25] <jussi> akgraner: it works...
[15:25] <akgraner> hmmm
[15:26] <jussi> akgraner: its pretty good, better than the trainwreck that is bugzilla
[15:26] <nigelb> jussi: hey, how did the moving go?
[15:26] <jussi> nigelb: hasnt happened yet
[15:26] <jussi> 1.5 weeks yet
[15:26] <nigelb> ah, ok
[15:27] <nigelb> btw, I *think* your fiance came looking for you on IRC
[15:27] <akgraner> yeah - I was told it was pretty good for non development project management but not sure I want to take the time to evaluate it for myself  -
[15:27] <nigelb> akgraner: what does redmine do?
[15:27] <akgraner> I am avoiding adding frustration if at all possible
[15:28] <akgraner> Redmine is a flexible project management web application. Written using Ruby on Rails framework, it is cross-platform and cross-database. It includes calendar and gantt charts to aid visual representation of projects and their deadlines.
[15:28] <akgraner> (so I am told)
[15:28] <jussi> nigelb: I dont think so - I think it was Sary the saudi dude.
[15:29] <nigelb> jussi: ahhhh
[15:29] <jussi> akgraner: quassel just uses it as a bug tracker
[15:30] <nigelb> akgraner: alternatively, if you chalk out what you want out of a project management software, *maybe* a few of us can think of creating a new one
[15:30] <akgraner> so there are these tools but none of them to exactly what I need them too   - I talked to kurt and a few other people about helping me design a project management database to do what I want it to  - but I am really looking around to see what is available before reinventing the wheel
[15:30] <nigelb> ahh :)
[15:31] <akgraner> see I am learning :-P
[15:32] <akgraner> I complained to Pete in passing about it - and he handed me a "MySQL" book and said - "Have Fun!"
[15:32] <nigelb> Not really required
[15:32] <nigelb> with some of the web frameworks, we never write sql queries by hand
[15:32] <akgraner> he said  - that's all the help he was giving me...:-/
[15:33] <nigelb> I'm putting finishing touches to a project and I can proudly say I didn't write a single query by hand for it
[15:33] <akgraner> he wanted me to understand why things work the way they do so I will be able to communicate better about it
[15:33] <nigelb> what can I say, you have a wonderful husband :D
[15:35] <akgraner> nigelb, yeah - about that - I wanted a little more info than just a book :-)  (He cuts me no slack)
[15:35] <nigelb> akgraner: what you need is to take a paper and pen and write what you want out of it and then sit down with a friend who has done something like this
[15:36] <nigelb> she/he can plan the database out for you and then you'll get some idea
[15:36] <akgraner> yep by the time I get to OSCON I'll have some mockups
[15:36] <nigelb> before UDS?
[15:36] <akgraner> mind you rough mockups but I can at least show people
[15:37] <akgraner> yep next week
[15:37] <nigelb> hm, I'd like to see it too :)
[15:37] <akgraner> been working on for a couple weeks - now I just need to scan them - as I drew everything out by hand
[15:37] <nigelb> which is the best way!
[15:37] <akgraner> technology kicks my butt somedays!
[15:38]  * nigelb uses writing pad and pen at work quite extensively
[15:38] <akgraner> I love the n900 but switched back to my blackberry b/c I was getting frustrated trying figure out what all that phone could do
[15:39] <akgraner> which is why I use pencil and paper half the time
[15:39] <akgraner> so now I have a really geeky paperweight...
[15:40] <nigelb> hahaha
[15:40] <nigelb> btw, today I made my first contribution to another oss project which I use at work :)
[15:41] <nigelb> edited some docs which got me lost for 8 hours.  at the time of my editing, a guy was just getting lost down the same route
[15:41] <akgraner> hey that's pretty cool
[15:42] <nigelb> Never underestimate the power of documentation :)
[15:42] <nigelb> g74
[15:42] <nigelb> grr
[15:49] <akgraner> well time to play taxi...
[15:49] <akgraner> laters
[15:52] <nigelb> haha
[15:53] <nigelb> you'll be glad when she finally has a license :)
[16:31] <czajkowski> nigelb: you looking for me?
[16:46] <doctormo> Morning all
[16:46] <doctormo> akgraner: Do you use barry in ubuntu for your blackberry?
[17:24] <akgraner> doctormo, nope - don't think I even know what that is
[17:37] <pleia2> nigelb: re: bad english: http://ostatic.com/blog/more-bad-english-please
[17:37] <paultag> wooo!
[17:37] <paultag> after a morning fighting with AT&T, I finally have intertubes!
[17:39] <doctormo> akgraner: It's the blackberry support for Ubuntu, I run the ppa for the latest version.
[17:39] <paultag> wooo, mobile email
[17:40] <paultag> hey doctormo :)
[17:40] <paultag> pleia2: cool article :)
[17:40] <paultag> heyya akgraner :)
[17:40] <akgraner> doctormo, ahhh - I'll have to check it out...thanks
[17:40] <doctormo> hey paultag
[17:40] <akgraner> paultag, hey!
[17:41] <doctormo> Means you can charge, sync, backup and even install new jars on the thing.
[17:41] <paultag> anyone have an android phone?
[17:42] <akgraner> ok so I am laughing over this - http://www.abetterworkplace.com/
[18:07] <pleia2> paultag: yup
[18:14] <paultag> pleia2: how do I make it so my terminal emulator actually, y'know, works?
[18:14] <paultag> pleia2: I'd like to ssh, but I guess my user does not have +x
[18:14] <paultag> pleia2: and I can't sudo or anything. >:(
[18:15] <pleia2> +x ?
[18:15] <paultag> pleia2: y'know, chmod +x file
[18:15] <paultag> pleia2: enable execute for my user
[18:15] <pleia2> oh, you'll need to root the phone
[18:15] <paultag> >:(
[18:16] <pleia2> regular user can't do anything except ls / pretty much
[18:16] <nhandler> The guides I've read make it look pretty simple to root the android phones
[18:16] <paultag> pleia2: is there a guide for that? I have an HTC G1, I think it's a dev install but I have no idea
[18:16] <pleia2> depends a lot on the version
[18:16] <paultag> I'lll BRB, second
[18:16] <paultag> pleia2: 1.6 I think or something
[18:16] <paultag> BRB
[18:16] <pleia2> the dev install is already rooted
[18:16] <pleia2> try su - ?
[18:17] <pleia2> I don't know, I have never used the dev version or rooted my phones ;)
[18:36] <paultag> pleia2: gives me a "uid 10029 not allowed to su"
[18:36] <pleia2> yeah, I guess I dunno how the dev ones do root things
[18:36] <paultag> no worries
[18:37] <paultag> OK, I'm going up north for the day
[18:37] <paultag> I'll see ya
[18:37] <pleia2> enjoy
[18:37] <paultag> I'll see ya'll in like 25 hours
[18:37] <paultag> pleia2: thanks, will do :)
[18:48] <doctormo> paultag: Have a good day?
[18:48] <Pendulum> paultag: have fun
[19:49] <doctormo> So much art today!
[21:12] <cjohnston> doctormo: ping
[21:13] <doctormo> cjohnston: pong
[21:13] <cjohnston> doctormo: do you know specifically that gc doesn't work on maverick?
[21:13] <cjohnston> It wont find projects for me on two different machines
[23:43] <doctormo> cjohnston: You wanted me before?
[23:44] <cjohnston> doctormo: are you aware of an issue with gc on maverick?
[23:44] <cjohnston> I can't seem to get it to find a project.. and it will find a bug, but wont download it
[23:44] <doctormo> I'm aware of about 100 issues with gc atm, some of them quite nasty. What's it doing?
[23:44] <doctormo> Hmm, and the same thing works in lucid when tried?
[23:44] <doctormo> Sometimes the launchpad guys change their api
[23:45] <cjohnston> it worked in lucid before i upgraded
[23:48] <cjohnston> how do I run it again from command line to look for errors?
[23:48] <cjohnston> sorry
[23:54] <doctormo> cjohnston: OK so to run from the cli
[23:55] <doctormo> cjohnston: Just run `lp-project-search` and `lp-branch-search` they should just print the result.
[23:57] <cjohnston> I got: WARNING:root:Configuration file: '/home/chris/.config/groundcontrol/settings.yaml' doesn't exist
[23:57] <cjohnston> but it found the project