[03:30] Daekdroom called the ops in #ubuntu (tsccof) [06:59] In #ubuntu-offtopic, bilalakhtar said: !beer is Beer is not appreciated [11:10] going to remove taev [11:10] @mark #ubuntu Taev [11:10] The operation succeeded. [11:10] marking him - lets give him time [11:11] I was typing the mark as you said you would remove him, so we are both in sync [11:11] he's had way enough latitude and warnings [11:11] I agree, one more and he's gone [11:14] what the hell is going on in #ubuntu with the current users [11:18] what a surprise Kwpolska is on a shellium account [11:33] I've put a forward on all shellium accounts to #ubuntu-ops to get an exception for the moment. I'm going to raise the policy on free shell servers at the next irc meeting [11:33] he was trolling. what a surprise [11:34] bzshells and shellium are just a regular problem. [11:34] I'll raise at the next meeting with either treat them the same as other gateways such as the floodbots manage it, or just block it [11:34] people using free shells are only for %99 1 use, trolling [11:34] seems to be the new mibbit [11:37] nah, it's the mibbit that existed before mibbit existed. [11:38] Kwpolska: you've been forwarded to this channel because you're comments in #ubuntu are unacceptable [11:39] Kwpolska: calling people retards and being vauge in your questions is not something that we allow in the channel [11:39] Kwpolska: do you understand that ? [11:45] Kwpolska: if you don't wish to interact with this channel, you need to leave this channel and return when you want to talk about resolving your behaviour [11:49] Kwpolska: idling is not allowed here, please respond or /part the channel [11:56] $10 says he's back for more silence in 10 minutes [12:15] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (beltran appears to be abusive (test - contact LjL if this misdetects too badly)) [12:15] oCean_ called the ops in #ubuntu (beltran) [12:17] hey you stupid fucking niggers, ban me see if i give a fuck you fucking cunt jew motherfuckers [12:17] god damn it, those fucking niggers in openbsd banned me, fuck those cock sucking jew cunts! [12:18] hey good people [12:18] im god fucking almighty and i demand respect, dont make me break out the caps [12:18] OH THATS IT, YOU FAGOTS ARE GONA BE SORRY NOW [12:19] I just don't see the point in that behaviour [12:20] ikonia, I'm not sure there is one beyond being an inconvenience to others. [12:20] it's not really an inconvenience a 3 second distrction while your muted/banned [12:20] Well, I'm not sure it was in his plan to be muted. [12:21] totally pointless, no-one cares about the little outburst, you look stupid when you make crazy threats to random people on the internet then you're silenced to prove how powerless you really are [12:21] it's not a good chain of events for the person making the comments [12:22] ikonia, He's not really realising you can't see what he says. [12:22] oh [12:22] He also cannot spell "anonymous" [12:23] Ok, he seems content to amuse himself screaming to an abyss. He'll bore eventually. [12:23] sounds good, [12:44] om26er called the ops in #ubuntu (beltran) [12:45] hey niggers what it be? [12:45] !ops ubottu [12:46] keep eye on ubuverify [12:46] in #u [12:52] elky: care to forward him here? xdpirate im not sure how to do that yet, i havent had time to figure it out [12:52] see his quit message [12:55] there, i referred to the ban list and copied, i hope it works [12:55] thanks [12:59] i've also forwarded beltran subnet here for the time being [13:02] we now show oped actions in this channel :) [13:14] ahhh the magic of kline [13:20] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (Niglop appears to be abusive (test - contact LjL if this misdetects too badly)) [13:20] done [13:35] eyes on niglop in #xubuntu [13:35] %99.9999999999 certain troll [13:39] mm-hmm [13:47] ikonia: feel free to remove him/ban him/ as needed in #x [13:47] he's gone hasn't he ? [13:48] i removed him that is all i know of him [13:48] ah, he won't be back [13:48] probably will... ;) [13:49] maybe #kubuntu ;) [13:49] if he did it in #u than moved to #x he will be back [13:49] nope, I'll put money on it [13:49] if he does use another of our channels i would ask that staff get involved [13:49] ikonia has probably secrectly banned him [13:49] ;) [13:51] ok another smoke be back [13:54] hey Daviey :) [13:54] het knome o/ [13:54] hey* [13:54] isn't het dutch? [13:55] Daviey, how's your wardrobe? [14:45] FYI niglop runs Mint [15:06] i was banned from ubuntu irc, but i am not sure why. could someone please explain? Thank you [15:08] hdpb: what other nicks do you use? [15:09] this is the only one. I've used it for months, but just registered it. tried to log in today and it says i've been banned. Thank you for your help. [15:09] it's just because you're using web chat [15:09] you should have been redirected to #ubuntu-proxy-users [15:11] thank you. would connecting thru empathy avoid the issue? [15:11] Most likely. [15:12] thank you again. I will give that a try. enjoy your day/evening! [15:29] I need to run, somebody should watch Dan_L and vot in #kubuntu, they seem to have some strange conceptions of what language is [15:32] ok === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [16:08] Traveler8: hi [16:08] thanks for joining [16:08] -.- you.. [16:09] ? [16:09] sigh.. anyway, am i banned from #ubuntu-offtopic? [16:09] sorry, what do you mean ? [16:09] 16:08 < Traveler8> -.- you.. [16:09] what did that mean ? [16:09] i'm not even sure if your the one that banned me in the first place.. so disregard that comment pls [16:10] what did that comment mean [16:10] ... as far as i know, you have been helpful to me... pls disregard that comment.. [16:10] Traveler8: what did the comment mean [16:10] am i banned from any channels currently? [16:10] I would guess a childish attempt at saying " I'm upset " [16:10] Traveler8: answer the question and we'll progress [16:11] there we go [16:11] I did not see any bans [16:12] uh, that didn't feel right [16:12] it's not [16:12] i mean the hounding on one question [16:12] why ? [16:12] he makes a comment to me, I want to know what it means before I start [16:13] not unreasonable [16:13] they apologised and wanted to move on, didn't seem right to keep hounding [16:13] I didn't ask for an aplogy [16:13] I asked what he meant [16:13] the fact that he wouldn't tell me [16:14] the first comment to someone who's trying to fix something for him, was random, I wanted to know what he meant [16:14] the hounding felt aggressive and a bit abrasive is all [16:14] I asked clear and clear and clear [16:14] it's not hard to respond to a question [16:16] thats not really what i am saying it wasn't how you asked, it was the refusal to move on, im just saying it felt aggressive and abrasive [16:17] why would I move on with someone who refuses to answer a simple question ? [16:17] he said he couldn't get into offtopic, I asked him to join here to help him, he makes a random comment, I want to know what it means before I progress [16:17] it's that simple [16:18] sorry to be harsh on that, but we spend time going through this with people, it's not hard to answer someone [16:19] well lets put it this way, the guy left, it doesn't seem that he's actually banned, maybe just caught up in someone elses ban, maybe its a nice person but now we'll never know [16:19] his first line in -ops was something he had to apologise for [16:19] which from googling means "fuck you" [16:19] the guy left because of his attitude [16:20] the fact that he's asking in #ubuntu now for help with farscape running in firefox does not fill me with confidence on his intentions [16:20] i don't think thats what his first line means at all [16:20] what do you think it means ? [16:20] "-.-" is an emoted face squinted eye face [16:21] and the ...you [16:21] the you refers to them thinking they had a problem with you, but then he realised he was confusing you with someone else and asked you to disregard [16:21] then that's all he had to say [16:21] Why else would he not expand on it? He refused to say what it meant knowing he was in trouble for it [16:22] I don't know why he couldn't get in, I was going to try and help him, but if someone can't answer a simple question, why should I bother progressing it to more complex discussion [16:23] not banned in -ot afaict [16:23] I don't think he is either, hence why I asked him here to help him [16:23] is this really how we are supposed to react to people? to start aggressively hounding them on a single turn of phrase which they admitted was misguided? essentially a guy joins, didn't maybe understand how much gravity there is on here for some reason and then got scared off [16:23] gord: are we supposed to waste our time with people who won't respond to questions ? [16:23] this is certainly not the ubuntu community spirit i know [16:24] didn't see the 'hounding' tbh [16:24] I called him in to help him and asked him a question on a commment HE chose to make [16:24] ikonia, yes pretty much, part of the job [16:24] no it's not [16:24] I wanted to know what he meant before progressing [16:24] the job is to resolve issues [16:25] I have asked him to return so we can figure out why he is unable to join [16:25] why ? [16:26] Traveler8: thank you for comming back [16:26] yea, i'm typing it just as its told to me.... and it's not joining [16:26] are you getting any errors? [16:26] no errors given =/ [16:26] check your Server tab or Status tab [16:26] anything in there? [16:27] Kwpolska: welcome back, we'll be with you shortly [16:28] Traveler8: show us what command you re using to join #ubuntu-offtopic [16:28] no i don't see any error messages in chat or on server window, in this java chat.. [16:28] "/join #ubuntu-offtopic [16:29] is it case sensitive? [16:29] Well without any errors and no apparent ban set. I don't see why you can't join. [16:29] Traveler8: no it isn't case sensitive [16:29] do we have any modes set on #u-o that restrict to registered only? i wouldn't of thought so [16:30] gord: I don't believe so [16:30] I wouldn't be so sure there's no ban. [16:30] gord: no, I checked the web chat bans, and it should be fine [16:30] it was like this before i got banned... which is probably why i got banned.. i told the ops that i could not join and that #ubuntuhelp and ubuntustudio..were the only channels i could join.. [16:30] oh, so you know you got banned [16:30] yea.... [16:30] what nick name where you using [16:31] it was rediculous..but yes [16:31] uh, ubufool maybe? [16:31] i've used a buncha nick specific to my issues [16:32] but this was an ip ban...it didnt matter what nick was used.. [16:32] found it [16:32] He's been banned as Traveler*!*@* before. [16:32] I rememebr you [16:32] o.0? cool? [16:32] ??? [16:32] grexo? [16:32] you wouldn't stop talking about overclocking and started being rude when people told you to stop [16:32] i have never used curse words in my nick... [16:33] and i was never rude [16:33] no-one said you used curse words in your nick [16:33] yes you where [16:33] people asked you to stop going on about overclocking, people told you the tools you wanted to use where not the right tools [16:33] the op was rude tho...i wil not argue over this again.. [16:33] no he wasn't [16:33] pls stop... [16:33] multiple people told you, you got warning kicks, and ended up banned [16:33] stop.. [16:34] If he stops, the ban stays unresolved. [16:34] it's fine, the ban is staying from my point of view [16:34] I remember this guy now [16:34] Traveler8: the issue here is not wether you believe the ban was justified or not. Please keep in mind we are here to help you. [16:34] -.- i wasn't rude, i did not disobey anyones wishes..i wasn't even gievn the chance to ask other questions or reply to people who were helping me... [16:35] Traveler8: what does -.- mean? [16:35] frustraed face... [16:35] you where rude, you wouldn't stop talking about overclocking despite people pointing you tot he right place, and explaining the tools in ubuntu where the wrong tools [16:35] frustrated [16:36] i understood the tools were not correct...the first time i wa told.. i didnt need the op continueing in circles over something that was already stated.. [16:36] pazsion was the nick [16:36] yes [16:36] Traveler8: you did not stop [16:37] and since removed. dont see a ban in -ot though [16:37] rly? are we going to do this again? [16:37] can we stop this or do we need more discussion? [16:37] you have had the ban removed in #ubuntu Traveler8 [16:37] cpufreqhelp5 [16:38] that was one of the other nicks [16:38] yes [16:38] did you wish to resolve why you cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic Traveler8 [16:38] yes [16:40] Traveler8, what about a right click on this --> #ubuntu-offtopic and choose join channel [16:41] not sure the command for the java client sorry [16:42] a hand comes up, left or right clicking does nothing.. [16:42] usually it would join [16:42] and a simple /join #ubuntu-offtopic ? [16:42] hasn't worked since before the ban [16:42] odd [16:43] don't see any bans in the list for you [16:43] i've only been able to join it once.. [16:43] oooh...wth is frigg version? [16:44] utility bot for freenode [16:44] now it says idleone version xD [16:44] Traveler8: your client appears to be beta [16:44] but still can't join [16:44] Traveler8: yes I did a version request on you [16:45] Traveler8, tried a more conventional client? [16:45] loading xchat.. [16:45] this one I know [16:46] and you're in [16:46] is pp1010 banned here? [16:46] not that I know of [16:46] how strange.. [16:47] you able to join #test-this with that client? [16:48] who knows [16:48] anyway you're in now [16:48] have a good day, follow the rules please [16:48] good [16:48] xD [16:48] i try... [16:48] rly i do.. [16:48] yep [16:48] There is no try. [16:49] just chat in -ot and all is good [16:49] well, i'm not gonna argue.. what happened happend however wrong either of us was [16:49] thanks for joining [16:49] ty again [16:49] very trying. [16:49] whoops > [16:50] bazhang: yeah, Star Trek quote didn't come to mind :) [16:50] IdleOne, heh [16:52] I'll start the stopwatch. [16:54] first line in pp1010 asks about the overclocking tools again [16:54] More specifically, if he's going to get "reamed" [16:54] "i know it's bad, but plz can i?" [16:55] If we expect failure no matter how hard a person tries we will find a reason to fail them [16:55] what ?/?? [16:55] are you serious [16:56] yes. [16:56] no-one expected failure, but his first line in the channel you've just helped him to get in was the exact topic that got him banned [16:56] I don't see how is overclocking question is offtopic for -ot [16:56] IdleOne: he was asking/pushing how to use ubuntu to overclock his hardware, he got banned for this because everyone explained it was done at a hardware level, [16:56] I have seen 3 hour long conversations (flame wars) about the best gaming console on -ot [16:56] you saw from this channel when talking about his ban in #ubuntu he undertood and accepted that [16:57] his first line in #ubuntu-offtopic was the same topic [16:57] he quotes a fantasy page that says these are the tools [16:57] this was the exact time wasting conversation that got him banned [16:57] ikonia: ok so he doesn't understand that it is a hardware issue and not a software issue [16:57] he does understand [16:57] he's trolling [16:58] him asking these questions in -ot doesn't seem to be bothering anyone and i don't really see any indication of trolling, maybe misunderstanding but thats about it [16:58] hence why he asked about running a game in firefox knowing it's a native game [16:58] well I am not in there so I am going to keep my opinion to myself about it. [16:58] much worse happens in -ot on a regular basis with zero action taken [16:58] IdleOne, known troll technique in linux channels; find something (real or not) that linux can't do and insist on persisting to ask how to do it. [16:58] gord: ok - lets see the link he's referencing [16:59] elky: is it possible that he is just a kid who wants to overclock his machine [16:59] IdleOne: read the logs of #ubuntu when he got banned [16:59] Sary: hi there, how can we help [16:59] IdleOne, not after this long. He has to be a kid who is never going to be able to be educated in anything ever. [17:00] Hello there [17:00] wow. [17:00] Sary: hi, what's up and how can we help you today ? [17:00] I notice the link he's referencing is still not coming [17:00] he's not bothering #ubuntu and its not offtopic for offtopic [17:01] We got the lubotu3 , is it an answering bot or such [17:01] bazhang, trolling is offtopic for offtopic. baiting is offtopic for offtopic. [17:01] Sary, in #ubuntu-eg ? [17:01] Sary: which channel [17:01] Sary: and yes, it will respond to queries [17:01] #ubuntu-sa [17:01] he's fine in -ot as it is, if it gets to a trolling point then i'll deal with it then, but as of now, its fine [17:02] i mean how can we use it , in commands ! [17:02] gord: I'd like to see the link he references for this fantasy question [17:02] genuinly [17:02] elky, most of the users in there would have to be banned then. lots of violent / excessive talk and nothing is done for that [17:02] bazhanggggggggggg ;) glad to see you [17:02] bazhang, there's lots in taht channel that needs to stop which we're actively prevented from stopping. Lets not add /more/ just because we can't make /less/. [17:02] Sary, try /msg lubotu3 factoid [17:02] * IdleOne goes back to whatever. I think my feelings of -ot have been made clear in the past [17:03] Sary, me too :) probably best to ask in #ubuntu-irc in future about this though [17:03] elky, agreed. [17:03] And ikoniaaaaaaaaaa [17:03] hello [17:04] And elkyyyyyyyy [17:04] I am glad to see Y'All ;) [17:04] Okay , thanks a ton Bazhang [17:05] :) [17:05] alright , i'll test that bot [17:05] i am out .. peace [17:05] bye [17:06] And you're talking about a person who is in the bantracker for trying ar em ar eff crap in #u which as I recall was the response for not getting what he demanded. [17:08] So let's ban him forever and then some because he made a mistake [17:08] When was that said? [17:09] Actively and knowingly telling people to destroy their data isn't "a mistake" anyway, but I digress. [17:09] You know there are people in -ot who should be banned for past behaviors but when they join #u they are very helpful [17:09] he's made multiple mistakes under multiple nicknames to hide the fact [17:09] that's where there was confusion [17:09] so lets be clear about this [17:10] IdleOne, this isn't a one-off thing. And he's not actually helpful. [17:10] the majority of users are not helpful [17:10] they get help and leave [17:11] Yes, but you're insinuating we should let him be disruptive because he might help. I'm responding directly to that assumption. [17:11] he messed up, several times, does that mean we can't help guide him a more Ubuntu state [17:11] look at the conversation in -ot now [17:11] to a* [17:11] he is being helped [17:11] but just refuses [17:12] IdleOne, that's not actually our role. The 46 people here are not here to coach 1500 people in behaving like civil humans. [17:12] What is our role? [17:13] To administer and manage the channels and prevent the channels from disruption and risks. [17:13] he has done nothing in -ot as of now that would warrant him being banned or removed or any thing like that [17:13] agreed [17:13] I did not sign up to police #u [17:13] IdleOne, if you want to be a behavioural coach for 1500 people, then fine. It's not a role for the team. [17:14] if using facts were a requirement in -ot, then.. [17:15] There's using facts, and then there's asking stuff you know the answer to in the hope the answer will magically change. [17:15] heh true [17:15] And he's doing the second. Which is baiting. [17:15] We are supposed to be catalysts, part of that is explaining what the Ubuntu philosophy is and helping the user to follow that philosophy [17:16] IdleOne, water. horse. drink. [17:16] If you honestly expect us to fall over ourselves to force the horse to drink, you're sadly mistaken. === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [17:17] the horse will drink when it is thirsty [17:17] If that's what you want to do, do it. Just don't demand it be part of this job description for the rest of us. [17:17] our job is to make sure the water is there [17:17] this analogy has become a leaky screwdriver [17:17] IdleOne, it /is/ there. [17:17] hehe [17:17] elky: I am not demanding you do anything. [17:18] IdleOne, then why are we having this discussion? [17:18] I am asking you not to be so harsh in your interpretation of our role [17:18] I'm asking you to not be so liberal in it. [17:18] I am not a Cop I don't want to be a Cop [17:20] We can't be effective channel managers if we're trying to do too much. If we get tied down with time sinks, we're effectively offline for the duration of that engagement. [19:16] @mark jungli #ubuntu-offtopic again after multiple kicks and warnings doing the random hilighting [19:17] The operation succeeded. [21:38] hello [21:38] im banned from #ubuntu-fr* [21:38] they say that my quit message is spam [21:38] its like to say that one's nick is spam [21:39] 22:39 quit_message = http://www.christcenteredlessons.com/uploads/9/3/0/9/930995/gods_love_v3.pps [21:39] not so agressive [21:44] what do you think? [21:50] AlphaWaves: this isnt the channel for those kinds of issues, #ubuntu-irc is [21:51] and for the record _I_ consider that spam and offensive. [22:26] Does anyone remember why I was banned in #ubuntu? [22:26] I don't even recall it happening [22:27] I'd like to argue for my readmittance, but as it stands I don't even know the crime of which I was accused. [22:28] Actually, I think the IP from which I'm using Freenode is banned. [22:29] popey: well its not offensive [22:29] popey: its a powerpoint document nothing offensive [22:30] AlphaWaves, i don't completely agree with popey, but i personally think it's the wrong place for it. [22:32] ok [22:33] AlphaWaves: I'd rather you didn't tell me what I'm allowed to find offensive [22:39] I'm with popey. [22:52] imnot [22:53] #ubuntu-irc is the correct place, take it up with the #ubuntu-fr ops