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shadeslayerdo we use glibc or eglibc while building00:01
Quintasanshadeslayer: eglibc is for embbed systems I belive00:03
* shadeslayer is getting pounded on debian mentors00:03
shadeslayeri cant seem to be able to install a sid pbuilder on kubuntu :S01:02
shadeslayerany ideas?01:03
yofelshadeslayer: keyring error?01:18
shadeslayeryep01:18
yofelhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pbuilder/+bug/599394/comments/601:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 599394 in pbuilder (Ubuntu) "Release signed by unknown key (key id 40976EAF437D05B5)" [Medium,Fix released]01:19
shadeslayerhow is this fixed then?01:20
yofelwell, it failed to create ubuntu chroots01:20
shadeslayer:S01:20
shadeslayeryeah.. so kill off making debian chroots01:20
yofelhaven't found more yet..01:20
shadeslayergreat..01:21
yofelok, the pbuilderrc from the package says:01:21
yofel# Set the debootstrap variant to 'buildd' type.01:21
yofelDEBOOTSTRAPOPTS=(01:21
yofel    '--variant=buildd'01:21
yofel    '--keyring' '/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg'01:21
yofel    )01:21
yofelshould be possible to override01:22
shadeslayerhmm01:22
yofelyep, works :D01:24
shadeslayerw00t ... thanks yofel :D01:24
shadeslayerwill have to set it back tho :P01:24
yofelshadeslayer: in ~/.pbuilderrc http://paste.ubuntu.com/465241/01:24
yofel(line 60ff)01:24
shadeslayerbtw is it necessary to have .install files?01:24
yofelI don't know too much about packaging, but I think you don't need them if you only create one binary package01:25
shadeslayerill poke this in a few hours then01:27
shadeslayerciao01:27
yofelbtw01:27
yofelfor my change make sure to have 'debian-archive-keyring' installed01:27
jjessequestion on the livecd, how does it know to display the netbook view instead of a normal view?  or is netbook default now?02:27
yofel_jjesse: afaik IF SCREEN HIGHT < 700 THEN netbook ELSE desktop02:34
jjessethats pretty cool02:35
jjesseim impressed02:35
DarkwingDuckis there a ppa for KOffice 2.2?06:56
neversfeldeDarkwingDuck: 2.2.1 is in Maverick and in backports for Lucid07:17
DarkwingDuckyeah, realized I forgot to check that little box lol07:23
DarkwingDuckThat is the signal for me to sleep07:23
apachelogger\o/08:44
* maxwellian o/\o apachelogger 08:48
* nigelb waves to apachelogger 08:58
CIA-33[kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100718080030-kly1xpc4g15ouumd * (4 files in 4 dirs) (log message trimmed)09:00
CIA-33Copy branding.svgz from default plasma theme to oxygen theme too. Plasma has a09:00
CIA-33default fallback of Theme > Oxygen > Air, rendering our branding unapplied09:00
CIA-33[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100718080924-jhrgkkfrgaextn2g * src/share/ (ContactSelector.cpp ShareDialog.cpp) build++09:09
Riddellmorning10:04
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jussiis this normal? 11:53
jussijussi@Galaxy:~$ sudo nvidia-xconfig 11:53
jussi[sudo] password for jussi: 11:53
jussiWARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file.11:53
jussish: pkg-config: not found11:53
jussiNew X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'11:53
Hobbseejussi: yeah, since the new x server11:56
jussiHobbsee: ahh11:59
jussix is being evil for me at the moment11:59
shadeslayerjussi: yep 11:59
shadeslayerit cant find a xorg.conf since there is none12:00
shadeslayerand has to make a new one :D12:00
jussishadeslayer: yeah, i was questioning the pkg-config part12:00
shadeslayerah12:01
jussibut it comes up with problems every boot - have to reconfig x everytime12:01
jussiI gett the lovely ubuntu has issues dialog12:02
Mamarokoh, it doesn't say Kubuntu?12:02
shadeslayerheh12:03
shadeslayerhmm.. do i know a Jonathan Aquilina12:04
jussiMamarok: no12:04
Mamarokshadeslayer: that's eagles051387512:05
Mamarokshadeslayer: not sure you want to know him12:05
shadeslayerohhh12:06
shadeslayerwhy? :P12:06
Mamarokoh well, he is certainly a nice guy in RL, but he is a total moron pretending to learn12:06
shadeslayermy blackberry storm got killed today :P12:06
shadeslayerah.. 12:06
Mamarokand never ever learned something in two yearsa12:06
Mamarok-a12:06
Mamarokhopeless12:07
* shadeslayer has loads of friend requests.. doesnt know half the people12:07
shadeslayerbtw i just noticed something.. i dont see a single netsplit on OFTC ... and ive been there for the past 2-3 weeks12:08
shadeslayerand freenode has had some major ones 12:09
jussishadeslayer: how many servers does oftc have?  and how many users? (and nasty people who want to do nasty things to it)12:23
shadeslayerhehe.. dunno :P12:24
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HobbseeLiveCDnice work,  guys :)12:28
shadeslayerHobbseeLiveCD: maverick?12:30
HobbseeLiveCDnah, karmic12:31
HobbseeLiveCDbut, kubuntu12:31
shadeslayerkarmic! your using karmic! \o/12:31
* shadeslayer skreams out lucid12:31
HobbseeLiveCDlucid and wine and WoW are not friendly12:31
shadeslayerah :P12:31
shadeslayerthere was a new release of wine tho12:31
shadeslayerafter some 5 years or something12:31
HobbseeLiveCDtrue.  been using them, and they can be even more unfriendly12:31
shadeslayerRiddell: i think we need a MIR for libdvdread-dev12:46
shadeslayerdebian introduced it as a build dep12:46
shadeslayersee http://pastebin.com/pzGHJMH312:46
shadeslayerhmm.. changelog says that we do not want to add that build dep12:47
shadeslayerapachelogger: around??14:07
shadeslayercan you add me as a contributor to https://www.ohloh.net/p/kubuntu ^_^14:07
mfraz74any idea what is happening with the history function of krunner?14:09
shadeslayermfraz74: works for me14:10
mfraz74shadeslayer: so that if you use the up arrow to select a previous entry and then hit enter, it works?14:10
shadeslayeruh...14:10
shadeslayermeh14:10
shadeslayermfraz74: nope14:11
shadeslayeri thought it would.. but it just shows what i typed last14:11
mfraz74that's how it used to work14:11
shadeslayer:(14:11
shadeslayermfraz74: bugs.kde.org14:11
shadeslayerim off for a few hours then... cya :)14:11
mfraz74shadeslayer: bye14:12
Quintasan\o14:21
Mamarokshadeslayer: there already is a bug report AFAIK15:29
shadeslayerMamarok: in context of.....15:29
Mamarokthe history in krunner15:32
shadeslayerohhh15:32
Quintasanhmm15:35
QuintasanKDE is really horrible sometimes15:35
Quintasanhttp://mcv.jogger.pl/2010/07/17/wtf-kde4/15:35
Quintasanrough translation15:35
QuintasanDolphin is 300 times slower that rm removoing 5000 small files15:35
Quintasanwith Shift-Delete15:36
Quintasanurgh15:36
Quintasanthat dude miscalculated15:36
Quintasan30 times slower with shift-delete15:36
Quintasanand 120 times slower when moving to trash15:36
QuintasanI can understand it being slower when moving to trash because it is adding some metadata, right?15:37
Riddellshadeslayer: hmm, no idea if libdvdread would pass a MIR17:10
shadeslayeryeah we manually removed the dep17:10
Riddellsilly me didn't put in a reason why but whatever it was I doubt it's changed17:11
Riddellso just keep it removed17:11
shadeslayerRiddell: btw i filed a bug to sync qoauth,it got noticed and fixed,but i still dont see it in the archives17:26
shadeslayerbug 60675117:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 606751 in Ubuntu "Sync qoauth 1.0-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60675117:27
debfxshadeslayer: new packages need to get accepted by an archive admin17:54
QuintasanGRRRRR18:18
Quintasanstupid windows broke my dhcp18:18
Quintasandunno how is that possible18:18
Quintasanuff18:29
Quintasanfixed networkmanager18:29
Quintasanshadeslayer: ping18:29
Quintasanapachelogger: ping18:33
Quintasanapachelogger: well, nvm just take a look if you can http://pastebin.com/YTFtj0XH18:36
Quintasanrules -> http://pastebin.com/9gKk1kHG18:37
shadeslayerQuintasan: pong19:28
shadeslayeronly here for a wee bit19:28
Riddellshadeslayer: you had a digikam upload?20:01
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah its in bzr20:01
shadeslayeryoull need to change the unreleased part to maverick20:01
shadeslayerjust thought you should know ^^20:01
Riddellshadeslayer: question is why isn't desktop_extragear-graphics_digikam.pot in the package?20:04
shadeslayerbecause it was removed by upstream20:04
shadeslayeri told apachelogger about it20:04
Riddellupstream never included it20:05
shadeslayeruh.. i asked #digikam and they said they removed it a few months ago20:05
shadeslayer( not right now,but a few days earlier )20:06
Riddellit should be generated by /usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/debhelper/kubuntu-debhelper-langpack-generate.sh20:07
shadeslayerbut isnt20:08
shadeslayeri think apachelogger changed the magic ... :P20:09
Riddellno, it's a mystery, wonder if I can find a power outlet so I have battery enough to investigate20:09
shadeslayerRiddell: also bug 606751 :(20:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 606751 in Ubuntu "Sync qoauth 1.0-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60675120:13
shadeslayerits not syncd yet.. any idea why20:13
Riddellshadeslayer: what problem does your digikam change solve?  the latest build log has it being copied fine 20:15
Riddellhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/44712688/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.digikam_2%3A1.2.0-0ubuntu2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz20:15
Riddell"cp po/desktop_extragear-graphics_digikam.pot po/desktop_extragear-graphics_digikamimageplugins.pot20:15
Riddellshadeslayer: is there a PPA build that failed?20:15
shadeslayerRiddell: archive rebuild failed20:16
shadeslayerRiddell: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/digikam_2:1.3.0-0ubuntu1_lubuntu32.buildlog20:16
shadeslayerhuge build log -.-20:17
shadeslayerand fails at the very end20:18
shadeslayerRiddell: cp: cannot stat `po/desktop_extragear-graphics_digikam.pot': No such file or directory20:18
Riddellhmm, well must be some reason why that rebuild failed the '^Purpose: PRIMARY' /CurrentlyBuilding test that apachelogger added20:22
Riddellso your fix is valid but no point uploading for its own sake since the build in the main buildds won't fail that20:23
Riddell4 euro for an apple juice!  this hotel is not nice, I could go canoeing for a day on that kind of money here (and did)20:24
shadeslayerhehe :P20:25
shadeslayerRiddell: if you guys would do a UDS in india,itll be pretty cheap20:25
shadeslayerapple juice ( a whole carton ) is about 2 euros20:25
shadeslayerlesser if you buy in bulk ^_^20:26
RiddellPrague in general is fine, it's just this hotel which is a rip off20:26
shadeslayer:D20:26
Riddelland I'm so used to the luxury of all the nearby civilised counties using one currency I haven't had the practice to do mental currency exchange recently20:27
Riddellright, qoauth, what's that?20:27
shadeslayerRiddell: btw general question,if i keep doing what im doing now,and apply for UDS in november,what are my chances? :P20:27
shadeslayerohh qoauth is the new authentication mechanism for twitter clients and such20:27
shadeslayertwitter and identi.ca give out tokens to apps20:28
shadeslayermuch like LP20:28
shadeslayerso instead of sending your password and username you get a token20:28
shadeslayerRiddell: The OAuth protocol enables websites or applications (Consumers) to access Protected Resources from a web service (Service Provider) via an API, without requiring Users to disclose their Service Provider credentials to the Consumers.20:29
shadeslayerfrom http://wiki.github.com/ayoy/qoauth/20:29
Riddellwhat do we need it for?20:30
Riddelllicence file is wrong, it's LGPL 3 while code is LGPL 2.120:30
shadeslayerRiddell: choqok20:30
shadeslayerwell.. thats debian's fault for not looking then :P20:31
shadeslayermine too.. partly20:31
RiddellI'll approve it since 2.1 can be upgraded and debian already let it in but that seems not to be ideal20:31
Riddellcould you e-mail upstream and ask if he can make his mind up on that20:31
shadeslayeradded to TODO20:32
shadeslayerwill ask him to fix tommorow :)20:33
Riddellshadeslayer: I'd say your chances of UDS would be very good, although it's a bit of a random draw who goes20:34
Riddellshadeslayer: does qoauth need a MIR then?20:34
shadeslayerchoqok is in main?20:35
Riddellyes it is20:35
shadeslayernever realised it20:35
shadeslayeryes then :P20:35
Riddellonly on the DVD20:35
shadeslayeradded in TODO as well then :D20:36
shadeslayerbut.. we need it only if choqok makes a release20:36
shadeslayerill ask mtux about it20:36
shadeslayerRiddell: thanks for the advice :D20:37
shadeslayeri asked because fortunately im free from exams in Novemember ...20:37
shadeslayer*november20:37
Riddellprobably a good idea ot have the MIR for the time we need it20:38
shadeslayeryeah20:38
Riddellneversfelde: koffice uploaded thanks20:38
neversfeldeRiddell: fine20:47
neversfeldeshadeslayer: so I guess I can stop workingon qoauth and choqok?20:47
shadeslayerneversfelde: :P20:48
shadeslayerneversfelde: its your wish :D20:48
neversfeldeshadeslayer: ?20:48
shadeslayeryou mean for now or for long term?20:48
neversfeldeshadeslayer: for now20:49
shadeslayerwhat were you working on?20:49
shadeslayeras in .. packaging upstream?20:49
neversfeldeshadeslayer: qoauth and choqok20:49
shadeslayerthis just went into a loop :P20:50
shadeslayerlemme think what i want to ask :D20:50
neversfeldemhh20:51
shadeslayerok so you were working on qoauth and choqok,but what was the exact work? syncing/merging the packages?20:51
shadeslayerneversfelde: ^^20:52
neversfeldeshadeslayer: I wanted to sync qoauth and probably merge choqok20:53
neversfeldeshadeslayer: and as far as I remember we already talked about it yesterday or the day before?20:53
shadeslayerwell.. i filed a sync bug for qoauth already :D20:53
shadeslayerneversfelde: nope .. dont think so20:53
shadeslayeri accidently came across qoauth in debian20:54
shadeslayerwas actually searching for some other stuff20:54
shadeslayerohh20:55
shadeslayeryes yes..20:55
shadeslayerneversfeldeis someone working on a new choqok package for Maverick?20:55
neversfeldeshadeslayer: ok, no expicit about qoauth, but I asked, if someone is working on choqok. Probably I should have been more precise20:55
shadeslayerneversfelde: also add your self to https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html20:56
shadeslayer:P20:56
shadeslayertheres a text field on the right20:56
shadeslayer( toally invisible i know )20:56
neversfeldeshadeslayer: I am not sure, if we should sync choqok or better merge atm20:56
shadeslayeradd your name infront of choqok :D20:56
neversfeldeso if you did qoauth, do choqok as well20:56
shadeslayerneversfelde: ok,can you take over libdbusmenu-qt merge then?20:57
shadeslayeri havent poked it20:57
shadeslayerkonversation and k3b are being worked upon20:57
neversfeldeno at the moment20:58
shadeslayerok :)20:58
shadeslayerill have a look at it in the end then20:58
shadeslayerok gtg and sleep now20:58
shadeslayercya20:58
Riddellnight shadeslayer 20:58
Riddelldebfx: what's the status of the qtwebkit merge?21:00
RiddellI wonder where lex79 is, he hasn't been around for a while21:00
RiddellScottK: I'm also worried about rekonq stability, I had expected to wait until 0.5 release before looking into it and now I want to wait until we get the qtwebkit merge and transition done before sensibly looking into it, but it seems we're not alone in having issues http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-July/001528.html21:06
ScottKRiddell: I'm not saying we should dump it now, but we definitely need to keep an eye on it and consider what's plan B.21:15
Riddellyes indeed21:15
neversfelderekonq was not very usable the last few weeks and it missed a lot of testing time because of that21:16
Riddellfor sure21:17
neversfeldehow is Konqueror working with webkit, and can we ship 10.10 with old khtml and webkit as a plan B21:22
Riddellwith old khtml we can, disappointing but easily doable21:25
Riddellwebkit I don't know, not tried21:25
RiddellI suspect the settings dialogue wouldn't match half the stuff it does, but I could be wrong21:26
neversfeldeyes disappointing, but probably the best way to deal with it, we could offer the option to switch to webkit for users, who are not satisfied with khtml21:27
crimsun_Riddell: hmm, xine's audio backend is already pulse-aware. Are you saying that you have to manually configure something to use your usb headphones? It should be trivial, meaning that inserting/plugging your usb headphones should automatically migrate the current sink to your usb audio device.21:28
Riddellcrimsun_: I think when I first got USB headphones I had to tell phonon to make them a higher priority than the internal sound card21:33
Riddellnow phonon works fine with them, but kaffine still outputs to the internal speakers21:33
crimsun_Riddell: that reads as if your phonon profiles are configured to use alsa and not pulse21:35
crimsun_I wonder if (also) xine is (mis)configured to use alsa and not pulse?21:38
Riddellphonon is certainly using pulse, when I killall pulesaudio dragon stops audio21:40
crimsun_ok, can you install pavucontrol and see which sink dragon is configured to use?21:41
crimsun_i.e., your symptom now looks to be a pulseaudio issue21:42
crimsun_namely, the default sink isn't (re)set for all apps once a usb audio device is inserted21:42
crimsun_there are pros and cons for doing so21:43
Riddellpavucontrol is installing very slowly21:44
Riddellcrimsun_: dragon audio stream on clear chat USB Headset21:48
Riddellkaffeine audio stream on Internal Audio Analog Stereo21:49
apacheloggerQuintasan: maybe you need to use those seperate .debug files after all21:49
apacheloggerQuintasan: how does the kubuntu package do it?21:50
apacheloggerkubotu: google there's no such month as rocktober21:51
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kubotu3. The Simpsons Archive: Blackboard Openings: http://www.snpp.com/guides/chalkboard.openings.html21:51
apacheloggerNightrose: ^ ;)21:52
Riddellcrimsun_: but surely the default sink should change for newly started apps?21:53
crimsun_Riddell: right, that's missing code right now21:54
Riddellfooey21:55
crimsun_it's actually being discussed on the pulse list currently21:55
crimsun_there is existing code to do similarly, but it needs to be updated for current HEAD21:56
Riddellstill, it's one more reason to use phonon for now21:59
crimsun_absolutely21:59
Quintasanapachelogger: it seems to me that it is done via override_dh_strip22:22
QuintasanRiddell: well, no route to host on that ddns :(22:23
QuintasanRiddell: I think that app can be set to auto update over a period22:23
eMyllerso python 2.7 will really be on maverick?23:05
ScottKeMyller: It won't be default.23:06
eMyllermeh :\23:06
ScottKIt's not exactly clear how far we'll get.  The rest rebuild with 2.7 enabled did not go well.23:06
eMyllerdid someone get any 'incompatibility rate' related to the current packages?23:07
ScottKI'm not sure.  I'd ask barry on #ubuntu-devel.23:08
eMyllerty23:08
* ScottK got emailed for every build failure and it seemed like a lot to me.23:08
eMyllerwell, 2.7 just came up; maybe we get enough package updates until october.23:10

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