[00:01] <shadeslayer> do we use glibc or eglibc while building
[00:03] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: eglibc is for embbed systems I belive
[00:03]  * shadeslayer is getting pounded on debian mentors
[01:02] <shadeslayer> i cant seem to be able to install a sid pbuilder on kubuntu :S
[01:03] <shadeslayer> any ideas?
[01:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: keyring error?
[01:18] <shadeslayer> yep
[01:19] <yofel> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pbuilder/+bug/599394/comments/6
[01:20] <shadeslayer> how is this fixed then?
[01:20] <yofel> well, it failed to create ubuntu chroots
[01:20] <shadeslayer> :S
[01:20] <shadeslayer> yeah.. so kill off making debian chroots
[01:20] <yofel> haven't found more yet..
[01:21] <shadeslayer> great..
[01:21] <yofel> ok, the pbuilderrc from the package says:
[01:21] <yofel> # Set the debootstrap variant to 'buildd' type.
[01:21] <yofel> DEBOOTSTRAPOPTS=(
[01:21] <yofel>     '--variant=buildd'
[01:21] <yofel>     '--keyring' '/usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg'
[01:21] <yofel>     )
[01:22] <yofel> should be possible to override
[01:22] <shadeslayer> hmm
[01:24] <yofel> yep, works :D
[01:24] <shadeslayer> w00t ... thanks yofel :D
[01:24] <shadeslayer> will have to set it back tho :P
[01:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: in ~/.pbuilderrc http://paste.ubuntu.com/465241/
[01:24] <yofel> (line 60ff)
[01:24] <shadeslayer> btw is it necessary to have .install files?
[01:25] <yofel> I don't know too much about packaging, but I think you don't need them if you only create one binary package
[01:27] <shadeslayer> ill poke this in a few hours then
[01:27] <shadeslayer> ciao
[01:27] <yofel> btw
[01:27] <yofel> for my change make sure to have 'debian-archive-keyring' installed
[02:27] <jjesse> question on the livecd, how does it know to display the netbook view instead of a normal view?  or is netbook default now?
[02:34] <yofel_> jjesse: afaik IF SCREEN HIGHT < 700 THEN netbook ELSE desktop
[02:35] <jjesse> thats pretty cool
[02:35] <jjesse> im impressed
[06:56] <DarkwingDuck> is there a ppa for KOffice 2.2?
[07:17] <neversfelde> DarkwingDuck: 2.2.1 is in Maverick and in backports for Lucid
[07:23] <DarkwingDuck> yeah, realized I forgot to check that little box lol
[07:23] <DarkwingDuck> That is the signal for me to sleep
[08:44] <apachelogger> \o/
[08:48]  * maxwellian o/\o apachelogger 
[08:58]  * nigelb waves to apachelogger 
[09:00] <CIA-33> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100718080030-kly1xpc4g15ouumd * (4 files in 4 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[09:00] <CIA-33> Copy branding.svgz from default plasma theme to oxygen theme too. Plasma has a
[09:00] <CIA-33> default fallback of Theme > Oxygen > Air, rendering our branding unapplied
[09:09] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100718080924-jhrgkkfrgaextn2g * src/share/ (ContactSelector.cpp ShareDialog.cpp) build++
[10:04] <Riddell> morning
[11:53] <jussi> is this normal? 
[11:53] <jussi> jussi@Galaxy:~$ sudo nvidia-xconfig 
[11:53] <jussi> [sudo] password for jussi: 
[11:53] <jussi> WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file.
[11:53] <jussi> sh: pkg-config: not found
[11:53] <jussi> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[11:56] <Hobbsee> jussi: yeah, since the new x server
[11:59] <jussi> Hobbsee: ahh
[11:59] <jussi> x is being evil for me at the moment
[11:59] <shadeslayer> jussi: yep 
[12:00] <shadeslayer> it cant find a xorg.conf since there is none
[12:00] <shadeslayer> and has to make a new one :D
[12:00] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, i was questioning the pkg-config part
[12:01] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:01] <jussi> but it comes up with problems every boot - have to reconfig x everytime
[12:02] <jussi> I gett the lovely ubuntu has issues dialog
[12:02] <Mamarok> oh, it doesn't say Kubuntu?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:04] <shadeslayer> hmm.. do i know a Jonathan Aquilina
[12:04] <jussi> Mamarok: no
[12:05] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: that's eagles0513875
[12:05] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: not sure you want to know him
[12:06] <shadeslayer> ohhh
[12:06] <shadeslayer> why? :P
[12:06] <Mamarok> oh well, he is certainly a nice guy in RL, but he is a total moron pretending to learn
[12:06] <shadeslayer> my blackberry storm got killed today :P
[12:06] <shadeslayer> ah.. 
[12:06] <Mamarok> and never ever learned something in two yearsa
[12:06] <Mamarok> -a
[12:07] <Mamarok> hopeless
[12:07]  * shadeslayer has loads of friend requests.. doesnt know half the people
[12:08] <shadeslayer> btw i just noticed something.. i dont see a single netsplit on OFTC ... and ive been there for the past 2-3 weeks
[12:09] <shadeslayer> and freenode has had some major ones 
[12:23] <jussi> shadeslayer: how many servers does oftc have?  and how many users? (and nasty people who want to do nasty things to it)
[12:24] <shadeslayer> hehe.. dunno :P
[12:28] <HobbseeLiveCD> nice work,  guys :)
[12:30] <shadeslayer> HobbseeLiveCD: maverick?
[12:31] <HobbseeLiveCD> nah, karmic
[12:31] <HobbseeLiveCD> but, kubuntu
[12:31] <shadeslayer> karmic! your using karmic! \o/
[12:31]  * shadeslayer skreams out lucid
[12:31] <HobbseeLiveCD> lucid and wine and WoW are not friendly
[12:31] <shadeslayer> ah :P
[12:31] <shadeslayer> there was a new release of wine tho
[12:31] <shadeslayer> after some 5 years or something
[12:31] <HobbseeLiveCD> true.  been using them, and they can be even more unfriendly
[12:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think we need a MIR for libdvdread-dev
[12:46] <shadeslayer> debian introduced it as a build dep
[12:46] <shadeslayer> see http://pastebin.com/pzGHJMH3
[12:47] <shadeslayer> hmm.. changelog says that we do not want to add that build dep
[14:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around??
[14:07] <shadeslayer> can you add me as a contributor to https://www.ohloh.net/p/kubuntu ^_^
[14:09] <mfraz74> any idea what is happening with the history function of krunner?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: works for me
[14:10] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: so that if you use the up arrow to select a previous entry and then hit enter, it works?
[14:10] <shadeslayer> uh...
[14:10] <shadeslayer> meh
[14:11] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: nope
[14:11] <shadeslayer> i thought it would.. but it just shows what i typed last
[14:11] <mfraz74> that's how it used to work
[14:11] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:11] <shadeslayer> mfraz74: bugs.kde.org
[14:11] <shadeslayer> im off for a few hours then... cya :)
[14:12] <mfraz74> shadeslayer: bye
[14:21] <Quintasan> \o
[15:29] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: there already is a bug report AFAIK
[15:29] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: in context of.....
[15:32] <Mamarok> the history in krunner
[15:32] <shadeslayer> ohhh
[15:35] <Quintasan> hmm
[15:35] <Quintasan> KDE is really horrible sometimes
[15:35] <Quintasan> http://mcv.jogger.pl/2010/07/17/wtf-kde4/
[15:35] <Quintasan> rough translation
[15:35] <Quintasan> Dolphin is 300 times slower that rm removoing 5000 small files
[15:36] <Quintasan> with Shift-Delete
[15:36] <Quintasan> urgh
[15:36] <Quintasan> that dude miscalculated
[15:36] <Quintasan> 30 times slower with shift-delete
[15:36] <Quintasan> and 120 times slower when moving to trash
[15:37] <Quintasan> I can understand it being slower when moving to trash because it is adding some metadata, right?
[17:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm, no idea if libdvdread would pass a MIR
[17:10] <shadeslayer> yeah we manually removed the dep
[17:11] <Riddell> silly me didn't put in a reason why but whatever it was I doubt it's changed
[17:11] <Riddell> so just keep it removed
[17:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw i filed a bug to sync qoauth,it got noticed and fixed,but i still dont see it in the archives
[17:27] <shadeslayer> bug 606751
[17:54] <debfx> shadeslayer: new packages need to get accepted by an archive admin
[18:18] <Quintasan> GRRRRR
[18:18] <Quintasan> stupid windows broke my dhcp
[18:18] <Quintasan> dunno how is that possible
[18:29] <Quintasan> uff
[18:29] <Quintasan> fixed networkmanager
[18:29] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[18:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[18:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: well, nvm just take a look if you can http://pastebin.com/YTFtj0XH
[18:37] <Quintasan> rules -> http://pastebin.com/9gKk1kHG
[19:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pong
[19:28] <shadeslayer> only here for a wee bit
[20:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you had a digikam upload?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah its in bzr
[20:01] <shadeslayer> youll need to change the unreleased part to maverick
[20:01] <shadeslayer> just thought you should know ^^
[20:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: question is why isn't desktop_extragear-graphics_digikam.pot in the package?
[20:04] <shadeslayer> because it was removed by upstream
[20:04] <shadeslayer> i told apachelogger about it
[20:05] <Riddell> upstream never included it
[20:05] <shadeslayer> uh.. i asked #digikam and they said they removed it a few months ago
[20:06] <shadeslayer> ( not right now,but a few days earlier )
[20:07] <Riddell> it should be generated by /usr/lib/kubuntu-desktop-i18n/debhelper/kubuntu-debhelper-langpack-generate.sh
[20:08] <shadeslayer> but isnt
[20:09] <shadeslayer> i think apachelogger changed the magic ... :P
[20:09] <Riddell> no, it's a mystery, wonder if I can find a power outlet so I have battery enough to investigate
[20:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also bug 606751 :(
[20:13] <shadeslayer> its not syncd yet.. any idea why
[20:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what problem does your digikam change solve?  the latest build log has it being copied fine 
[20:15] <Riddell> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44712688/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.digikam_2%3A1.2.0-0ubuntu2_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[20:15] <Riddell> "cp po/desktop_extragear-graphics_digikam.pot po/desktop_extragear-graphics_digikamimageplugins.pot
[20:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is there a PPA build that failed?
[20:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: archive rebuild failed
[20:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/digikam_2:1.3.0-0ubuntu1_lubuntu32.buildlog
[20:17] <shadeslayer> huge build log -.-
[20:18] <shadeslayer> and fails at the very end
[20:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cp: cannot stat `po/desktop_extragear-graphics_digikam.pot': No such file or directory
[20:22] <Riddell> hmm, well must be some reason why that rebuild failed the '^Purpose: PRIMARY' /CurrentlyBuilding test that apachelogger added
[20:23] <Riddell> so your fix is valid but no point uploading for its own sake since the build in the main buildds won't fail that
[20:24] <Riddell> 4 euro for an apple juice!  this hotel is not nice, I could go canoeing for a day on that kind of money here (and did)
[20:25] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[20:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: if you guys would do a UDS in india,itll be pretty cheap
[20:25] <shadeslayer> apple juice ( a whole carton ) is about 2 euros
[20:26] <shadeslayer> lesser if you buy in bulk ^_^
[20:26] <Riddell> Prague in general is fine, it's just this hotel which is a rip off
[20:26] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:27] <Riddell> and I'm so used to the luxury of all the nearby civilised counties using one currency I haven't had the practice to do mental currency exchange recently
[20:27] <Riddell> right, qoauth, what's that?
[20:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw general question,if i keep doing what im doing now,and apply for UDS in november,what are my chances? :P
[20:27] <shadeslayer> ohh qoauth is the new authentication mechanism for twitter clients and such
[20:28] <shadeslayer> twitter and identi.ca give out tokens to apps
[20:28] <shadeslayer> much like LP
[20:28] <shadeslayer> so instead of sending your password and username you get a token
[20:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: The OAuth protocol enables websites or applications (Consumers) to access Protected Resources from a web service (Service Provider) via an API, without requiring Users to disclose their Service Provider credentials to the Consumers.
[20:29] <shadeslayer> from http://wiki.github.com/ayoy/qoauth/
[20:30] <Riddell> what do we need it for?
[20:30] <Riddell> licence file is wrong, it's LGPL 3 while code is LGPL 2.1
[20:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: choqok
[20:31] <shadeslayer> well.. thats debian's fault for not looking then :P
[20:31] <shadeslayer> mine too.. partly
[20:31] <Riddell> I'll approve it since 2.1 can be upgraded and debian already let it in but that seems not to be ideal
[20:31] <Riddell> could you e-mail upstream and ask if he can make his mind up on that
[20:32] <shadeslayer> added to TODO
[20:33] <shadeslayer> will ask him to fix tommorow :)
[20:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'd say your chances of UDS would be very good, although it's a bit of a random draw who goes
[20:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does qoauth need a MIR then?
[20:35] <shadeslayer> choqok is in main?
[20:35] <Riddell> yes it is
[20:35] <shadeslayer> never realised it
[20:35] <shadeslayer> yes then :P
[20:35] <Riddell> only on the DVD
[20:36] <shadeslayer> added in TODO as well then :D
[20:36] <shadeslayer> but.. we need it only if choqok makes a release
[20:36] <shadeslayer> ill ask mtux about it
[20:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks for the advice :D
[20:37] <shadeslayer> i asked because fortunately im free from exams in Novemember ...
[20:37] <shadeslayer> *november
[20:38] <Riddell> probably a good idea ot have the MIR for the time we need it
[20:38] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:38] <Riddell> neversfelde: koffice uploaded thanks
[20:47] <neversfelde> Riddell: fine
[20:47] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: so I guess I can stop workingon qoauth and choqok?
[20:48] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: :P
[20:48] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: its your wish :D
[20:48] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: ?
[20:48] <shadeslayer> you mean for now or for long term?
[20:49] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: for now
[20:49] <shadeslayer> what were you working on?
[20:49] <shadeslayer> as in .. packaging upstream?
[20:49] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: qoauth and choqok
[20:50] <shadeslayer> this just went into a loop :P
[20:50] <shadeslayer> lemme think what i want to ask :D
[20:51] <neversfelde> mhh
[20:51] <shadeslayer> ok so you were working on qoauth and choqok,but what was the exact work? syncing/merging the packages?
[20:52] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: ^^
[20:53] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: I wanted to sync qoauth and probably merge choqok
[20:53] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: and as far as I remember we already talked about it yesterday or the day before?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> well.. i filed a sync bug for qoauth already :D
[20:53] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: nope .. dont think so
[20:54] <shadeslayer> i accidently came across qoauth in debian
[20:54] <shadeslayer> was actually searching for some other stuff
[20:55] <shadeslayer> ohh
[20:55] <shadeslayer> yes yes..
[20:55] <shadeslayer> neversfelde	is someone working on a new choqok package for Maverick?
[20:55] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: ok, no expicit about qoauth, but I asked, if someone is working on choqok. Probably I should have been more precise
[20:56] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: also add your self to https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[20:56] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:56] <shadeslayer> theres a text field on the right
[20:56] <shadeslayer> ( toally invisible i know )
[20:56] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: I am not sure, if we should sync choqok or better merge atm
[20:56] <shadeslayer> add your name infront of choqok :D
[20:56] <neversfelde> so if you did qoauth, do choqok as well
[20:57] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: ok,can you take over libdbusmenu-qt merge then?
[20:57] <shadeslayer> i havent poked it
[20:57] <shadeslayer> konversation and k3b are being worked upon
[20:58] <neversfelde> no at the moment
[20:58] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[20:58] <shadeslayer> ill have a look at it in the end then
[20:58] <shadeslayer> ok gtg and sleep now
[20:58] <shadeslayer> cya
[20:58] <Riddell> night shadeslayer 
[21:00] <Riddell> debfx: what's the status of the qtwebkit merge?
[21:00] <Riddell> I wonder where lex79 is, he hasn't been around for a while
[21:06] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm also worried about rekonq stability, I had expected to wait until 0.5 release before looking into it and now I want to wait until we get the qtwebkit merge and transition done before sensibly looking into it, but it seems we're not alone in having issues http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-July/001528.html
[21:15] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm not saying we should dump it now, but we definitely need to keep an eye on it and consider what's plan B.
[21:15] <Riddell> yes indeed
[21:16] <neversfelde> rekonq was not very usable the last few weeks and it missed a lot of testing time because of that
[21:17] <Riddell> for sure
[21:22] <neversfelde> how is Konqueror working with webkit, and can we ship 10.10 with old khtml and webkit as a plan B
[21:25] <Riddell> with old khtml we can, disappointing but easily doable
[21:25] <Riddell> webkit I don't know, not tried
[21:26] <Riddell> I suspect the settings dialogue wouldn't match half the stuff it does, but I could be wrong
[21:27] <neversfelde> yes disappointing, but probably the best way to deal with it, we could offer the option to switch to webkit for users, who are not satisfied with khtml
[21:28] <crimsun_> Riddell: hmm, xine's audio backend is already pulse-aware. Are you saying that you have to manually configure something to use your usb headphones? It should be trivial, meaning that inserting/plugging your usb headphones should automatically migrate the current sink to your usb audio device.
[21:33] <Riddell> crimsun_: I think when I first got USB headphones I had to tell phonon to make them a higher priority than the internal sound card
[21:33] <Riddell> now phonon works fine with them, but kaffine still outputs to the internal speakers
[21:35] <crimsun_> Riddell: that reads as if your phonon profiles are configured to use alsa and not pulse
[21:38] <crimsun_> I wonder if (also) xine is (mis)configured to use alsa and not pulse?
[21:40] <Riddell> phonon is certainly using pulse, when I killall pulesaudio dragon stops audio
[21:41] <crimsun_> ok, can you install pavucontrol and see which sink dragon is configured to use?
[21:42] <crimsun_> i.e., your symptom now looks to be a pulseaudio issue
[21:42] <crimsun_> namely, the default sink isn't (re)set for all apps once a usb audio device is inserted
[21:43] <crimsun_> there are pros and cons for doing so
[21:44] <Riddell> pavucontrol is installing very slowly
[21:48] <Riddell> crimsun_: dragon audio stream on clear chat USB Headset
[21:49] <Riddell> kaffeine audio stream on Internal Audio Analog Stereo
[21:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: maybe you need to use those seperate .debug files after all
[21:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how does the kubuntu package do it?
[21:51] <apachelogger> kubotu: google there's no such month as rocktober
[21:51] <kubotu> Results for there's no such month as rocktober: 1. The life of Mb: "There is no such month as Rocktober": http://the-life-of-mb.blogspot.com/2008/10/there-is-no-such-month-as-rocktober.html | 2. Double, Double, Boy in Trouble - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double,_Double,_Boy_in_Trouble
[21:51] <kubotu> 3. The Simpsons Archive: Blackboard Openings: http://www.snpp.com/guides/chalkboard.openings.html
[21:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^ ;)
[21:53] <Riddell> crimsun_: but surely the default sink should change for newly started apps?
[21:54] <crimsun_> Riddell: right, that's missing code right now
[21:55] <Riddell> fooey
[21:55] <crimsun_> it's actually being discussed on the pulse list currently
[21:56] <crimsun_> there is existing code to do similarly, but it needs to be updated for current HEAD
[21:59] <Riddell> still, it's one more reason to use phonon for now
[21:59] <crimsun_> absolutely
[22:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it seems to me that it is done via override_dh_strip
[22:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, no route to host on that ddns :(
[22:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think that app can be set to auto update over a period
[23:05] <eMyller> so python 2.7 will really be on maverick?
[23:06] <ScottK> eMyller: It won't be default.
[23:06] <eMyller> meh :\
[23:06] <ScottK> It's not exactly clear how far we'll get.  The rest rebuild with 2.7 enabled did not go well.
[23:07] <eMyller> did someone get any 'incompatibility rate' related to the current packages?
[23:08] <ScottK> I'm not sure.  I'd ask barry on #ubuntu-devel.
[23:08] <eMyller> ty
[23:08]  * ScottK got emailed for every build failure and it seemed like a lot to me.
[23:10] <eMyller> well, 2.7 just came up; maybe we get enough package updates until october.