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DaughainWHats the best way to install VB? CLI or software center?00:00
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pebinhaalguem fala portugues:00:24
Mamarok!pt | pebinha00:29
ubottupebinha: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado.00:29
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gaerrtyQ@gaerrtyQ01:50
ZeddikusCabuntu?n someone tell me what the menu file is for Grub and where it is located in Ku02:03
ZeddikusThat was supposed to be what is the menu file for grub and where is it located02:04
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c3l what font does the "non-emulated"/"non-graphical" terminal use? (the one you get when pressing ctrl-alt+F102:37
jschallkubuntu netbook is cool03:16
jillsmittwhere can i read about future updates of kubuntu?03:30
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anzwaitsI tried to sync the songs to my ipod using gtkpod, but its showing as iTunesDB currupted. any idea?03:54
anzwaitscan anybody help me on this ipod issue?03:59
EruaranDoes ANYONE know how to get an ATI HD 3650 working with Kubuntu WITHOUT one issue after another after another after another?04:03
EruaranRight now I don't have a system that can remember its screen resolution when you reboot... can't do desktop compositing... can only play games, and if I go back to the radeon or radeonhd drivers, I will lose that04:04
EruaranThe proprietary fglrx driver seems to be the only one that you can play a 3d game with without a crash that will require a hard reset04:05
EruaranBut if I use that driver, I lose everything else.04:05
EruaranThis is just insane.04:05
EruaranThere's no way I could recommend ATI to any Linux user.04:06
EruaranI have the proprietary fglrx driver installed04:22
EruaranI have added ppa:info-g-com/xserver-xorg-1.7.6-gc which aparrently fixes a issue in xorg-server-core04:23
EruaranI have changed my GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= from "quiet splash" to "quiet splash pci=use_crs" because aparrently the card fails to get properly allocated to the kernel... after doing this I no longer have to change my screen resolution every time after rebooting... but as usual, yet another problem is created - System Settings, KInfoCentre and the Catalyst control center all crash when you try to use them now.04:26
EruaranAnd I still have no desktop compositing04:26
EruaranAnd now games wont start either...04:27
EruaranIt seems that I just can't have a fully functioning system with an ATI graphics card04:29
EruaranThis is just as disappointing as the last time I was stupid enough to bother with ATI04:29
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jschallEruaran: i thought ati usually had the best linux support now04:34
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Eruaranjschall: you've got to be joking04:35
EruaranIf I change "quiet splash pci=use_crs" back to just "quiet splash" I will be able to use System Settings etc again but my resolution will revert to 640x480 when I reboot, and I still wont have compositing.04:38
EruaranWhen I Google for solutions I notice this goes back YEARS04:39
Eruarannot fixed04:39
EruaranSo... Now I've put my xorg.conf with the driver as "fglrx" back into /etc/X11 and System Settings, KinfoCenter and the Catalyst Control Center are working again04:46
EruaranAnd now I'm back to having to manually change my screen resolution every time I reboot again04:46
EruaranNo desktop compositing04:46
EruaranAparrently the kernel module for my card is "unknown"04:47
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jacophello06:12
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kongchen中uoren06:15
kongchen有没有人06:15
jacophey whats up?06:16
jschalljacop: do you have a question?06:17
jacopwell kinda06:17
kongchen有人吗?06:17
kongchenare there any chinese people?06:18
draik!ch | kongchen06:18
ubottukongchen: Das Schweizer Team finden sie unter #ubuntu-ch, deutschsprachigen Support bekommen sie aber in #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de. Aus regionalen Gründen ist im Schweizer Channel nur Englisch erlaubt. Geben sie einfach /join #ubuntu-at ein! Danke für ihr Verständnis.06:18
draikwhoops06:18
kongchenare there any japanese people?06:18
jschall!cn | kongchen06:18
ubottukongchen: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道: #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk06:18
draikThank you, jschall06:18
jschalljacop: what was your question?06:20
peteh32hi all06:20
draikHello peteh3206:20
peteh32hi draik06:20
jacopi have via chrome9 hc video card but i couldnt download the driver software06:21
jacopso i want to know if u can guid me through06:21
jschallhttp://linux.via.com.tw/support/beginDownload.action?eleid=342&fid=643 see if that works for you06:23
jacopok ill check that out06:24
jacopi got this msg in the archive manger06:25
jacopgzip: stdin: not in gzip format06:25
jacoptar: Child returned status 106:25
jacoptar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors06:25
FloodBotK2jacop: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.06:25
draikjacop: What is the extension?06:26
draik*.gz - use gunzip06:26
draik*.tar.gz - use tar zxvf06:26
jacopits *.tgz06:27
draikTry the tar command I gave you06:27
jacopwhich one06:28
jacopim not seeing any06:28
kongchen...06:29
kongchen我会打中文06:29
kongchen你们会不会?06:29
kongchen哇哈哈哈哈哈哈06:29
draikkongchen: I don't think anyone here will be able to read/respond to that.06:30
draikjacop: tar zxvf archive.tgz06:30
jacopdidnt work06:32
draikWhat is the output?06:34
jacoptar: 5.74.33.86a-u904-50937.tgz: Cannot open: No such file or directory06:35
jacoptar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now06:35
jacoptar: Child returned status 206:35
jacoptar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors06:35
FloodBotK2jacop: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.06:35
jacophere i could open the file using ark06:35
jacopbut i dont know what to do after that06:36
draikExtract06:36
jacopshould i extract somewhere06:37
draik;)06:37
jacophhh06:37
jacopi extract it now what?06:38
draikNo clue. What do you want to do next?06:38
jacopits a driver software06:38
jacopi would like to download it06:39
draikWell, you downloaded and extracted the archive. What's next on the to-do list?06:39
draikYou just go with that.06:39
draikDid you see the instructions jschall gave you?06:39
jschalldraik: i didn't give him any instructions apart from the link06:40
jschalljacop: there should be a .deb in the archive06:40
jacopok06:40
draikWhoops. Sorry. I meant to reference the instructions from the link, not just 'instructions'06:40
jschalljacop: so extract the archive (with ark or tar) and run dpkg -i on the deb06:41
jacopok06:41
draikI'm off to "enjoy" sleeping in a bed over 100F degrees.06:41
jacophhhh06:41
jacopok thanx dude06:41
jacopsorry how can i run the dpkg on the deb06:45
jacop??06:45
jacopi think i downloaded it06:48
jacopill reboot the system and check out06:48
TeslaTonyI've been having a problem with knetworkmanager on Kubuntu Netbook Remix: Every time I connect to an unsecured wireless network, it tries making a new entry, using the info from the last unsecured network I used, then the connection fails. How can I fix this?06:52
jacophey06:54
jacopit didnt work06:54
ubuntuhey06:55
ubuntuanyone here?06:55
jacopyup06:57
ubuntuwhts up?06:57
jacopnuthin06:58
jacopmuch06:59
jacophow r u doin06:59
jacop?06:59
FloodBotK2jacop: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.06:59
ubuntukind of frustrated. I'm trying to install ubuntu on my macbook 2,1 booting from a thumbdrive but i keep getting this kernel error07:00
jacopdude im new to linux too07:00
jacopim tryin to download the software for my vga card07:01
ubuntuoh cool07:01
ubuntui'm on a mac07:01
ubuntuso no graphics cards here07:01
ubuntujust lack of support for everything07:01
jacophhh07:01
jacopi got sick of my vga card07:02
ubuntulol07:02
elcaseteven macs have graphics cards.  proprietary ones.07:03
ubuntuwell yea07:03
ubuntubut you have to run everything on low07:03
jacopthats sucks07:03
ubuntui guess07:03
ubuntui'm a 360 gamer when i need my fix07:03
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elcasetby low, you mean 800 x 600?07:03
ubuntuyep07:04
ubuntusettings low07:04
ubuntuevery REAL game with a low framerate07:04
ubuntuemulating n64 games have some issues to07:04
jacopits good u can run games07:05
jacopi cant run anything in here07:05
solifugus_I did a dpkg -i packagename.deb and it's making me install dependencies, one-by-one.. how can I make that automatic?07:05
elcaseti've had that problem with an sis video card on pos averatec laptop.07:05
ubuntuidk07:05
ubuntuwhen i load my EFI bootloader via usb on my mac it says i need to load a kernel07:05
ubuntuwhat does tht mean07:05
jacopidk07:07
jacopdid u check online07:07
ubuntuyes07:07
ubuntuposted on forums07:07
ubuntui rly need this portable ubuntu usb for school07:07
jacopchieck this link07:08
jacophttp://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-how-to-load-a-kernel-module-automatically-at-boot-time/07:08
ubuntualright07:10
ubuntuthe comment may help07:10
ubuntuso it's just a command?07:13
jacopwell07:13
jacopas it written in the site yes07:13
jacopbut im not very sure07:13
ubuntuhopefully this works07:13
ubuntuotherwise i'll go to bed and wait for those forum replies07:14
jacopjust try it07:14
ubuntubecause i made a live cd07:14
ubuntuand i'm on the try or install haha07:14
jacophhh07:14
ubuntugotta write it down first07:14
jacopyup i07:15
ubuntualright07:17
ubuntuwish me luck07:17
ubuntuif it works ill see u soon!07:17
jacophhh07:18
jacopgood luck07:18
ubuntuack07:35
ubuntuwith no success :(07:35
jacopdid it work07:38
ubuntuno07:39
ubuntuit said command not found07:39
ubuntucan someone help me?07:42
well_laid_lawnwhat was the issue ubottu07:43
well_laid_lawnerr ubuntu07:43
ubuntuI made a bootable usb flash drive07:43
ubuntuon my macbook07:43
ubunturunning ubuntu 9.107:43
ubuntuthe problem is when i launch the EFI boot loader it says i need to load the kernel07:44
elcasethave you tried installing from a livecd with external optical drive.07:44
ubuntui don't have an external optical drive07:44
ubuntuand i can't install it on this hard drive07:44
jacopguys i need some help with via drivers07:46
jacopif anybody can help07:46
well_laid_lawnI thought macs had a bios compatability layer ubuntu07:46
ubuntuthey do07:49
ubuntuand i can get it to boot off the usb07:49
ubuntubut when it asks me to select the ubuntu MBP partition07:49
ubuntuit says i need to load the kernal07:49
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well_laid_lawnubuntu: so there is nothing called syslinux on the usb?07:50
ubuntulet me check07:51
ubuntuyes there is07:53
well_laid_lawnand a file called autorun.cfg or similar?07:54
ubuntunope07:56
well_laid_lawnhow did you build the bootable usb, with unetbootin?07:56
ubuntuno07:57
ubuntui used a guide07:57
well_laid_lawn!unetbootin07:57
ubottuFor information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent07:57
ubuntuno07:57
ubuntui partitioned it using Gparted07:57
ubuntuand installed using a live cd07:57
well_laid_lawn For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent07:58
ubuntuit's different for mac07:59
ubuntunon apple computers can do this in 5 minnutes07:59
well_laid_lawnmaybe ask in ##mac07:59
ubuntu?07:59
hagebakeanyone else getting an akonadi crash whenever trying to start kmail with beta ppa?08:28
chakiemorning08:40
chakieis it only me or has anyone else had problems with 9.10 in that the mouse suddenly stops working properly?08:41
chakieit moves, but clicking works only for some actions08:41
chakieit always means a restart of the desktop08:42
chakieinterestingly, as soon as i've logged out (no x restart) it works again, so it feels like the kde desktop somehow does somethign interesting08:42
chakiei see that same problem on two totally different machines08:43
chakiesometimes happens 5 times per day, sometimes once08:43
chakieit's quite annoying08:43
chakieone other guy had reported a bug for it months ago, but the "responsible" person closed it as "nah, can't be a problem, you're doing it wrong"08:44
GinoManI heard bug?08:45
elcasetsounds like a legit bug.08:47
chakieah, found the bug and others seem to have it too08:51
chakiebut that wasn't the one that was closed somewhat immediately08:51
chakieof course, launchpad seems broken at the moment08:52
chakie"This bug report will be marked for expiration in 32 days if no further activity occurs."08:52
chakiesounds like a good way to get rid of bugs08:53
chakiesaving a bug comment should not take five minutes, right?08:53
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Rovertohey'09:01
Roverto##mac09:01
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zer0yo yo yo09:37
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Rovertohey09:37
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slow-motionhi10:39
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suhailkkkk11:01
elcasetkde11:03
Peace-?11:06
* Peace- in kde 4.511:06
MisterioPeace-: rc?11:06
Peace-yea11:14
karthik_hi .. Whenver i start compiz on kubuntu the window manager gets crashed .. The error I get is ..http://pastebin.com/6G8RhvKz   .. any ideas ?11:31
Peace-karthik_: compiz?11:41
Peace-who cares of compiz if you have kwin effetcs11:41
karthik_Peace-: I am very much used to compiz .. I ve never tried out kwin effects .. are they good ?11:43
Peace-karthik_: for me there is only kwin11:43
Peace-effects11:43
Peace-compiz it's too much heavy11:43
Peace-*FOR ME*11:44
elcasetthey're good & not as slow as compiz.11:44
karthik_Peace-: elcaset: okay .. I ll give a try ..11:44
FloodBotK2!netsplit11:53
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liam__!anyone I'm running 10.04 , I had the startup/shutdown screens when i first installed but now they don't display i just get text... i Have restored /etc/default/grub file to the original so i know it's not to do with that, i have also tried "sudo update-alternatives --auto default.plymouth" and "sudo echo "FRAMEBUFFER=y" > /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash && sudo update-initramfs -u"12:40
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)12:40
eagles0513875!patience | liam__12:42
ubottuliam__: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com/ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ while you wait.12:42
e01hello12:48
e01how can i get working internet from gprs (from my gsm) over bluetooth12:48
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ZensursulaHi, is here someone who can tell me how to use Nepomuk and Strigi in any effectve way?13:06
ZensursulaOnce I could search my system with Strigi. But not anymore.13:07
ZensursulaAnd as it really sucks my CPU I wonder wether I can just stop those services.13:08
ZensursulaRight now I don't have an idea what it's good for.13:08
sheytanHi13:12
sheytanim trying to transfer a video from my JVC camera via firewire13:12
derdonhi sheytan13:12
sheytanwhat i need to do?13:12
sheytanwhen i plug it in, nothings happen13:12
derdonplug it out13:13
derdonthen execute the command "tail -f /var/log/messages"13:13
derdonthen plug it in13:13
derdonand see what happens13:13
sheytanderdon Jul 18 14:02:19 Kubuntu kernel: [13521.956127] ieee1394: raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized13:14
derdonsheytan: is this the only message which appeared after plugging in the camera?13:15
sheytanyes13:15
sheytanis there any app i should use to tranfser the video?13:17
sheytani got it :D13:25
sheytanvery easy :D13:25
sheytanjust changed the premissions for camera device, then kdenlive sees it :D13:25
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jacophelloo13:34
jacopis there any auto update drivers or something like that?13:35
jacopanybody here13:45
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astro_hi13:48
heyson-aliceI have two laptops with Kubuntu running. They're both connected to the same wireless network, and it works. Now, I want to share a folder on computer 1 and then download its content on computer 2. How do I do that the easiest way?14:00
elcasetuse an external hard drive or usb thumb drive.14:01
heyson-aliceSo network sharing isn't a solution? I'd like to try that.14:03
jacopim having a problem with my sound card and graphic card14:17
jacophellooo14:18
jacopanyone here14:18
heinkel_111how do I start the GUI version upgrade tool manually ... I lost the upgrade notification icon after accidentally hitting a wrong button in the upgrade confirm dialogue14:19
tsimpsonheyson-alice: I use sshfs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS but there is also samba https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html but it's less flexible and more complicated to set up14:19
heyson-alicetsimpson: Thanks! :)14:20
jacopVGA via chrome9 hc14:20
jacopdriver14:20
tsimpsonheinkel_111: you should be able to start it from System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Updates14:20
tsimpsonor run "update-notifier-kde -u" manually14:21
heinkel_111the first one left me with basically an empty window... maybe something is locking the apt system14:22
heyson-alicetsimpson: People like you are really wonderful!14:22
mfraz74heinkel_111: what are you upgrading from and to?14:23
martin_heinkel_111: have you tried to reboot your system?14:23
heinkel_111mfraz74: i started at kubuntu 9.04 yesterday, now I am on 9.10 and the plan is to continue to 10.04 in 5 minutes14:24
heinkel_111martin_: reboot should be unecessary for this, it is a linux system after all14:24
martin_heinkel_111: yeah, but that is easier than unlocking apt manually, in most cases14:25
daniel__helo14:25
heinkel_111martin_: you may be right, it is a long time since I had to14:26
heinkel_111so I might have forgotten that14:26
heinkel_111martin_: actually apt-get update and upgrade worked fine so I think basically the empty window was nothing left to update :-)14:29
heinkel_111I am kind of new to the GUI version upgrade, until now I have done the text based one14:29
heinkel_111but my dvd writer seems corrupted so now I upgrade across the net instead of in isolation14:30
heinkel_111and figured out I should try the GUI tool since they appear to have improved a lot in the recent releases14:30
martin_heinkel_111: could be too, yes :)14:38
kenshi991hola15:21
Klaus_Dieterhello world15:24
Klaus_DieterI am looking for a pendrive image for kubuntu. I am aware of different tutorials to create such an image using the install CD and syslinux however syslinux crashesi n the attempt on my system.15:25
Klaus_Dieterso I cannot make it bootable myself15:25
Klaus_DieterCD image will not help as I do not have a cd drive in the computer in question15:26
James147Klaus_Dieter: Its easiest to use "usb-creator-kde" to install the cd image to a flash drive15:26
Klaus_DieterJames147: for that you have to have linux - I do not.15:27
Klaus_DieterJames147: currently only BSD systems around15:27
James147Klaus_Dieter: then unetbootin15:27
Klaus_DieterI also do not have a windows around15:27
Klaus_Dietereither windows or linux is required for unetbootin15:28
James147:(15:28
Klaus_Dieterchicken and egg15:28
Klaus_Dieteralso I doubt it would help - I am not afraid of the console, it is just that the tool needed to make the thumb drive bootable is crashing15:29
Klaus_Dieterso if I download the netbook edition image, can I install a regular kubuntu using that?15:29
Klaus_Dieterhmm jsut seeing that this would not work as I want it to be amd6415:30
James147Klaus_Dieter: yes and no... you will have to manually install kubuntu-desktop afterwards15:31
Klaus_Dieterok15:31
Klaus_Dieterwhat about the switch from 32 to 64 bit?15:31
James147Klaus_Dieter: impossible15:31
Klaus_Dieterdang15:32
elcaseti wouldn't recommend 64bit yet, anyway.15:33
James147Klaus_Dieter: could you try installing grub instead of syslinux?15:33
James147elcaset: why not?15:33
elcaset32 bit is more stable.15:34
James147elcaset: havent had any problems with 64bit... dont really see how its more stable15:34
elcasetgood to hear.  how about drivers?15:35
Klaus_DieterJames147: I cannot build it on this system as it can only be compiled on i38615:35
James147elcaset: no problems with dirvers at all15:35
elcasetsounds like 64 bit GNU/linux is improving.15:36
Klaus_Dieterelcaset: I have used it a couple years back and it was good15:39
elcasetkuhl.15:41
Klaus_Dieterthe current version is maverick, right?15:43
TorchKlaus_Dieter: lucid.15:43
Klaus_Dietermaverick is the next?15:44
James147Klaus_Dieter: yes15:44
Klaus_Dieterthanks Torch  and James14715:52
Klaus_Dieteris there a kubuntu handbook?15:53
Klaus_Dieterthought so ;)15:57
BluesKajKlaus_Dieter,   https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ15:57
Klaus_Dietercool BluesKaj thank you - I was looking for the software management part and it is on there15:58
BluesKajKlaus_Dieter, lots of info in the message bar16:00
Klaus_DieterTorch: James147  I think I found a solution and I am currently seeing whether it is successful: It is this site http://learn.clemsonlinux.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Install_from_USB_drive16:07
Klaus_Dieterit is basically an image with an empty fat16 file system having sylinux installed and enough room to pu the install CD iso on it.16:09
Klaus_Dieterduring startup it will (hopefully) ask for the name of the iso16:09
Klaus_Dietercan I turn an ubuntu into a kubuntu?16:20
James147Klaus_Dieter: install "kubuntu-desktop"16:20
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Klaus_Dietertaht is it?16:20
Klaus_Dietercoool16:20
Klaus_Dieterso I can install an ubuntu now, lateron apt-get kubuntu-desktop and I have a full-fledged kubuntu16:21
James147well, that will give you both gnome and kde :)16:21
Klaus_Dieterok16:21
James147!purekde | Klaus_Dieter16:21
ubottuKlaus_Dieter: If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »16:21
Klaus_Dieterso then the trouble is sweet16:22
Klaus_Dieter- so then the trouble is16:22
Klaus_DieterI was gonna complete with 2removing gnome"16:22
Klaus_Dieterthis is actually pretty cool this seems to work - it recognizes the CD16:36
Klaus_Dieterwow a monkey could install ubuntu16:51
Klaus_Dieternow I am not sure whether this is good or bad ;)16:51
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James147Klaus_Dieter: easier to use is always good... unless you take away features to do it :)16:54
Klaus_Dieterwell at some point there is an ease vs efficiency debate going on16:55
Klaus_Dieteror more specifically: intuition vs efficiency16:56
Klaus_Dieterbut I see your point, it is hard to argue that an installer should be complex ;)16:57
James147Klaus_Dieter: and there is always the alternitive installer :)16:58
Klaus_DieterJames147: actually that is what I am using17:05
James147Klaus_Dieter: :D17:05
Klaus_DieterI really do like the way the encryption is interwoven with the installer17:06
Klaus_Dieterand the "make it work" mentality taken for setting this up17:06
Klaus_Dieterits cool17:06
martin_anyone with experience of fingerprints in linux?17:11
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Klaus_Dieterwhat do I do if I want to install a specific version of software that is not in the main repositories?17:29
Klaus_Dieterlets say rekonq 0.517:29
James147Klaus_Dieter: depends on what format the program comes in :)17:30
Klaus_Dieterrekonq is a kde4 app - 0.4 is in the repositories afaik but 0.5 not17:30
Klaus_Dieterso I could build an own package17:31
Klaus_Dieteror ... ?17:31
martin_Klaus_Dieter: you can either compile it from source17:31
martin_or17:31
danI think my laptop is about to die.  So I am going to buy a new one.  Are there troubles with running Kubuntu on a radeon laptop card?17:31
martin_kubuntu has a development repo, it might be there17:31
Klaus_Dietermartin_: ok17:32
Klaus_Dieterdan: xorg works pretty well with nvidia and ati on linux. I personally use the open source ati driver and I am very happy with it but of course it depends on your chipset17:33
martin_dan: usually no problems, no17:33
martin_dan: but i recommend you to (stay calm) keep windows, even if you don't plan to use it17:33
danKlaus_Dieter:  I've never used a non-nvidia card with Linux.  But I remember 2 years ago, NVIDIA had some frustrating issues.  But now the bargain basement lapotop of the week runs a radeon card.17:34
danMartin_:  I usually leave the win partition up in the event that i want to play a game that is like......not kblackbox:)17:34
martin_dan: good, but yes, almost all newer radeon cards are supported17:35
Klaus_Dieterdan: with the binary driver it seems like there are always frustrating issues but then again I come from a different world in terms of linux.... This is my first attempt on ubuntu and have benn using FreeBSD before and before that gentoo for quite some time17:35
martin_dan: if you don't know which laptop you want, i recommend you Acer Aspire AS5738ZG-454G32MNBB17:36
danKlaus_Dieter:  if you come from BSD, there likely isn't anything in *buntu land whihc will frustrait you.17:36
martin_dan: bought one last week and it works perfectly17:36
Klaus_Dieterdan: well BSD is a really nice system17:36
danklaus_dieter:  ohhh I know.  It's very nice.17:38
danMartin_:  are you in the US?17:38
martin_no comments17:38
martin_dan: sweden17:38
martin_dan: but it should work the same in the US17:38
danAhhhhhh ok, I was wondering why I couldn't find that lappy in an American store.17:38
Klaus_Dieterbut my poor laptop was too damn slow to handle both: zfs and my workload so I needed a switch17:39
danI was looking at this:  http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Compaq+-+Presario+Laptop+/+AMD+V-Series+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+2GB+Memory+/+250GB+Hard+Drive+-+Black/9980182.p?id=1218207308692&skuId=998018217:39
votacers suck balls17:39
Klaus_Dieterwhoah the startup time is amazing17:39
Klaus_Dieterdan: I also would recommend against acer17:39
danKlaus_Dieter:  why?17:39
votnot that, that laptop is bad specs17:40
danI'm old school.  I just care about how many gb's it has.17:40
Klaus_Dieterdan: their mainboards tend to break after 2 years17:40
voti.e its specs are ok17:40
votbut i have the same queries about reliability and build quality17:40
Klaus_Dieteryes I know there are many happy acer users out there but I have been fixing laptops for too long to buy acer17:41
voti'll say this our dells statistically were a lot better17:41
danThat's about the life span I expect.  Like I say:  a train ride twice a day, comes with me wherever I go.  Shares time between my diaper bag and my laptop bag.  Occasionally falls off of a ladder.....17:41
Klaus_DieterI have to say I do like samsung considering price/value ratio17:41
Klaus_Dieterand I am a happy samsung user for 3.5 years now with a q3517:42
Klaus_Dieterit went to university with me every day, train rides, the usual and it still does its thing17:43
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Klaus_Dieterif you are a student then the student deal of IBM might also be something for you17:44
Klaus_Dieterincluding this rebate you pay as much as for a regular laptop but get extremely well built hardware17:44
Dan_Lmy corporate disount  kind of sucks17:45
Dan_LI get 50 bucks off of a deal, 'up to 33%' on lenovo, 10% off of sony, and 10% off of fujitsu17:46
votmy asus has been very good17:47
Klaus_Dieterfujitsu can be a lucky strike17:47
votbut i will say this if you have problems i dont think they have a lot of service centers17:47
votand you would have to post it17:47
Klaus_Dieteronce a client came in with a fujitsu that had its mainboard fastened with 3 screws and a lot of tape17:48
votand probably long turn around time17:48
heinkel_111seems I managed the upgrade :) 10.04 looks good, but what is the default irc client?17:48
Klaus_Dieterasus you need to try the keyboad and touchpad. the keys for the touchpad sometimes take some getting used to.17:48
Klaus_Dieterwow reading my own statements I realize I am rather picky about laptops17:49
Klaus_Dieterheinkel_111: use irssi, it is the best17:49
voti'll say this id barely know about the trackpad17:49
heinkel_111Klaus_Dieter: i just want to know what is default :)17:49
votbluetooth mouse all the way17:49
Dan_LKlaus_Dieter:  it's ok to be picky:)  It's yer gear.17:50
Klaus_Dieterheinkel_111: if you want graphics, than you could use konversation which is likely to be the default17:50
Klaus_Dieterhehe Dan_L.17:50
Dan_LDoes Konversation support notifications in the notificationy thing?17:51
Klaus_DieterDan_L: considering your discounts I would first look into Lenovo17:51
votLike i said dells can be ok when their being competitive17:51
votsome times their expensive17:51
votsome times they have a good deal17:51
votnegative is the indian call centers17:52
Klaus_Dietervot: and some modells are _really_ heavy but rock solid17:52
Dan_LThat's the nice thing about working for a company that's so big, god is scared of them.  I have discounts everywhere:)17:52
James147heinkel_111: quassel is the default irc client in 10.04, konversation is a good alternitive when alot of people prefure17:52
heinkel_111Dan_L: yes konversation will give you notifications17:52
martin_Konversation terminated! <317:52
heinkel_111thanks James147... do you happen to know the version number of konversation involved?17:52
BluesKajDan_L, yeah , look at settings/configure konversation/notifications17:53
James147heinkel_111: aptitude tells me it knows about 1.317:53
Klaus_Dieterlenovo and the old ibm laptops are not the same any more but imho its still good hardware17:53
heinkel_111I am checking if the installed version I had compiled myself might have been updated in the upgrade or if I have to do that manuallyy17:54
heinkel_111I am on konversation 1.2.3 - what is your version numbers, people?17:55
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Dan_Ltestdan:  test yer notification n00b17:55
Dan_Lfails17:55
BluesKajheinkel_111, yeah 123 is the latest stable afaik17:56
heinkel_111BluesKaj: wonderful, then I will not need to work on that17:57
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BluesKajwell heinkel_111 , you can check , but I'm using kde4.4.2 , so maybe the later versions have newer konvis , dunno for sure17:58
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heinkel_111BluesKaj: but that is my KDE version as well, is there supposed to be somet newer KDE for kubuntu 10.04 release?17:59
BluesKajjust the alpha and beta etc dev verions which are unstable <<<<<<imo18:00
James147heinkel_111: there should be 4.4.4: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.4.418:00
BluesKajdoesn't matter , stable kde is fine for my needs18:01
heinkel_1114.4.2 -> 4.4.4 looks like a lot of hassle for little improvement :)18:02
James147BluesKaj: 4.4.4 should be more stable being a maintenance release18:02
James147heinkel_111: its not much hassel :S18:02
Klaus_Dieterwell I hope they finally fixed akonadi in a way that it is usable18:03
BluesKajJames147, it crashed my laptop , reverted to 4.4.2 with the live cd18:03
Klaus_Dieterand not crashing all over the place18:03
James147BluesKaj: weird :S18:03
James147Klaus_Dieter: akonadi seems more stable here on kde 4.5 RC2... although I havent really used it that much :)18:04
BluesKajJames147, it's not a biggie ..I prefer stuff that works on my lappy vs experimentation , since we use when travelling etc , it needs to be stable and ready to go.18:04
Klaus_DieterJames147: hmm I finally want to use it to sync my pim dtaa from my cell phone18:05
Klaus_Dietergut18:05
James147BluesKaj: yeah... although the maintance releases should mostly just be bug fixes... so more stable. Although if it crashes then upgrading isent a good idea :)18:06
BluesKajI gave up up the moto driver for kubuntu , i just load the phone pics on to the w7 and copy from there18:06
BluesKaj<--not much of a pnone geek anyway ...they're still silly gadgets to me ...I guess if I was still working my attitude would be different ... another tool I suppose.18:08
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hagabakais anyone else getting a segfault in akonadi_imap_resource when starting kmail?18:15
cutiyari created project with k3b and copying data to edit , after was finished pasted them to another pc but some of was not copied it input/output error18:15
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amichairhow does one restart the usb bus (e.g. when lsusb hangs indefinitely)?18:48
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terry!multilib18:55
terryCan anyone tell me how to install multilib support?18:55
terrySo I can install 32bit apps on ubuntu64?18:55
James147terry: I think it is possible, but I dont know the details :)19:00
Klaus_Dieterhello world19:02
James147terry: http://maketecheasier.com/run-32-bit-apps-in-64-bit-linux/2009/08/10 looks like you need to install ia32-libs19:02
Klaus_Dieterhere I am again with my first real kubuntu question: When I start my system it says in the tray that the networkmanager is disabled. Why? How do I enable it?19:02
James147Klaus_Dieter: :D edit or delete /var/lib/NetworkManger/NetworkManager.state then restart network-manager19:03
Klaus_DieterJames147: well I rebooted the system19:04
James147Klaus_Dieter: I have only seen that happen when I shutdown then suspend my laptop before it has shutdown :S19:04
Klaus_DieterJames147: yeah to be speciic I tried to suspend and the laptop crashed in the attempt19:05
Klaus_DieterI removed the file and restartet networking19:05
Klaus_Dieterwe'll see what that does19:05
Klaus_Dieterit tells me that there are no leases to use19:06
Klaus_Dieterwhich is correct for ethernet19:06
Klaus_Dieterhowever it does not respect that there is wireless19:06
Klaus_Dieterand it does not autoconnect to that one19:07
Klaus_Dieterand it still says that network management is disabled19:07
Klaus_Dieterwhat do I have to do to make it find my wireless card? In the initial bootup after setup I could see my wlan and connect to it19:08
James147Klaus_Dieter: need to restart network-manager not networking :)19:08
Klaus_Dieterhmm19:09
Klaus_Dieterah19:09
Klaus_Dieterlol19:09
Klaus_Dieterthanks19:09
FloodBotK2Klaus_Dieter: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.19:09
Klaus_Dieteralso nice bot and flood detection19:09
Klaus_DieterI will type my comments in a textfile and paste them in the future instead of writing lines here ;)19:10
James147Klaus_Dieter: its telling you to do that for pasting not typing :)19:10
* Klaus_Dieter knows it was just a humorous comment19:11
Klaus_Dieterwell I am sure I will have *much* fun with Networkmanager. We are old friends...19:12
Klaus_Dieterand it never worked well for me. We will see what changed between 2008 and 201019:12
James147Klaus_Dieter: you could always switch out for wicd if you have allot of trouble :)19:12
Klaus_DieterJames147: if all else fails I will toss both and use wpa_supplicant directly like in the past19:12
James147Klaus_Dieter: you also might want to keep in mind that knetworkmanager is a tempory standin while they fix the network widget19:13
BluesKajNM was troublesome on the previous kubuntu versions but Lucid seems to have the probs I had fixed19:14
Klaus_DieterBluesKaj: I never used ubuntu - that was in gentoo back in the day...19:15
BluesKajjust the std broadcom chip here19:15
Klaus_Dieterhmm kde is actually pretty cool if kwin is replaced by awesome19:16
Klaus_DieterI think I will use that combo here too19:16
Klaus_Dieternice19:16
BluesKajthe panel poition in gnome bugs me , another strike against it :)19:17
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sandermans15hello :)19:24
BluesKajhi19:25
folkisthey19:26
folkist##mac19:26
sandermans15lol of all those people who are online are only 2 awnsering XD19:27
folkist3*19:27
sandermans15:p19:27
folkistso sander19:28
folkistwhat are you doing19:28
BluesKajsandermans15,` sometimes it helps if you just ask your question, if you have one :)19:28
folkistooo i have a question19:29
folkistbooting from EFI on a usb19:29
folkistwon't load kernel19:29
folkist:(19:29
folkist?19:29
BluesKaj!usb19:29
ubottuFor information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent19:30
folkistNO19:30
folkisti did that19:30
folkisti'm on a mac19:30
folkistthings are harfd19:30
sandermans15i have no question i was just checking konversation out :)19:31
folkistnice19:31
folkistlike it?19:31
sandermans15verry much :)19:31
BluesKajdunno about kubuntu on macs19:31
folkisti'm running ubuntu on vmware fusion now19:31
folkistruns fine19:31
sandermans15:)19:31
sandermans15i have just an old dusty computer :p19:32
BluesKajyeah, konversation is my fav , altho lots prefer quassel which find fugly19:32
sandermans15i wanna build a new one but i first need the money19:32
sandermans15yeah to its exactly the same BluesKaj19:33
sandermans15i came up with a question:19:34
folkistwhat's that19:34
sandermans15i saw somepeople on tv working on autodesk inverter and my question is: there a linux kind of programm?19:35
BluesKajsandermans15, yeah my compaq with ati graphics barely able to handle lucid and flash ...gotta find a better graphics card19:35
BluesKajautodesk inverter?19:35
folkistkarmic koala is so sexy19:36
sandermans15yeah19:36
BluesKajdumb names19:36
sandermans15yea i needed to get closer to my tv to really beleave it19:36
sandermans15XD19:36
sandermans15but what you can do with the program is awsome19:37
sandermans15:)19:37
BluesKajwhat is it ?19:37
sandermans15a program to design19:37
sandermans15stuff19:37
folkistkarmic koala is a sexy name19:37
sandermans15in 3d19:37
sandermans15and also make things turn :)19:38
folkistlike blender?19:38
folkistor 3d max?19:38
sandermans15im sorry but i made a mistake the name is autodesk inventor XD19:39
BluesKajmarsupials aren't sexy IMO :)19:39
sandermans15idk what blender or 3d max19:39
sandermans15is19:39
sandermans15my graphic card some time blacks out :@ when im playing a movie or a game19:40
sandermans15Sysinfo for 'xander-desktop': Linux 2.6.32-23-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz at 2599 MHz (5197 bogomips), HD: 33/259GB, RAM: 944/1001MB, 154 proc's, 29.12min up19:40
sandermans15what?! is my ram that full :O19:41
sandermans15is there a program that keeps your ram as empty as possible??19:42
sandermans15this is without external hd and with firefox on19:43
sandermans15Sysinfo for 'xander-desktop': Linux 2.6.32-23-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz at 2599 MHz (5197 bogomips), HD: 33/259GB, RAM: 944/1001MB, 154 proc's, 29.12min up19:43
sandermans15and this is with19:43
folkistblender is an open source 3d rendering software19:43
sandermans15Sysinfo for 'xander-desktop': Linux 2.6.32-23-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz at 2599 MHz (5197 bogomips), HD: 659/1225GB, RAM: 864/1001MB, 154 proc's, 32.20min up19:43
folkistblender.org19:43
sandermans15i will take a look at it19:43
sandermans15thanks19:43
sandermans15wow xorg takes a whole lot of ram like 65 mb :|19:45
sandermans15is it allways that much?19:45
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votoh not not 65mb19:46
folkistnp19:46
votconsidering 2gb is 50 AUD19:47
votwho cares even if that is a lot for xorg19:47
sandermans15i want to lower my ram usage19:48
votdont run x19:48
sandermans15xorg is a manager of my screen if i shut it down my system crashes19:50
James147sandermans15: your system wont crash if you stop x :) you just wont ahve a gui19:50
vottry this init 319:50
vot, lots more free ram19:51
sandermans15Sysinfo for 'xander-desktop': Linux 2.6.32-23-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz at 2599 MHz (5197 bogomips), HD: 659/1225GB, RAM: 855/1001MB, 159 proc's, 42.1min up19:53
votwhy are you posting your bloody system stats every 2 seconds19:54
sandermans15so i can see my ram19:54
votso dont post it here19:55
votdo it on a xterm on your machine19:55
sandermans15wie is er hier nederlands?19:56
votspeak english19:56
sandermans15waarom19:57
sandermans15how old are you?19:58
votif your asking my ASL your not going to get lucky19:58
James147!offtopic | sandermans1519:59
ubottusandermans15: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!19:59
BluesKaj!nl | sandermans1520:00
ubottusandermans15: Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl20:00
votand sandermans15 i will sum up all of your questions succiently, kde is not a good choice if you wish to not use much memory... i would not call it a light desktop in terms of cpu usage or memory20:01
BluesKajonly teenagers ask others how old are you20:01
sandermans15i know20:02
vothttp://www.xubuntu.org/ is probably a better choice20:02
sandermans15i know kubuntu is slower but its more beatiful and adeptable than anny other distro20:04
votwell whats with the silly questions20:04
sandermans15ignore20:08
Erika_Meierhello again20:09
Erika_Meierwwhere is the proper place in kubuntu to set the KDEWM variable?20:10
Erika_Meierfor one specific user that is20:10
hazanselamlar20:25
tdnichoi accidentally closed the task bar at the bottom of my window in kubuntu...how do I get it back?20:48
tdnichonot the task tray in the lower left, but the wide bar at the bottom that has tiles for every open program I'm running20:48
tdnichosorry, task tray in the lower right...20:49
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BluesKajtdnicho, click on the cashew and type in task20:50
danyou want to restore System Tray?20:51
James147tdnicho: right click on the panel > panel options > add widget.. > search for "Task Manager" and drag it back20:52
tdnichothis is why I love IRC!!!!   Thank you BluesKaj and James 147 for solving my problem in seconds.....all fixed20:53
BluesKajheh, wish was that easy everytime :)20:53
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tdnichoalthough it took me a second to find the nut!.....20:54
MIH1406Can I use messenger plus features in Koepete?20:56
James147MIH1406: depends on what features it has :)20:57
MIH1406It is here: http://www.msgplus.net/20:58
MIH1406what is Messenger Plus! Live?20:58
MIH1406Messenger Plus! Live is an add-on for Windows Live Messenger that adds tons of features and extras to the software. Extend the possibilities of Messenger and make your experience a lot more entertaining!20:59
MIH1406If I chat with my friends with Messenger Live20:59
MIH1406I can not understand what are they saying?20:59
James147MIH1406: you cannot use that with kopete... but kopete isent wlm and has more features then it21:00
SandGorgonhow do I see the character map in KDE 4 ? I want to look up some unicode codes for a few characters21:00
MIH1406yes, but most if not all my friends and relatives are using it.21:01
MIH1406Is there an addon for Kopete to implement these features?21:01
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MIH1406I like Kopete and want to suggest these features to it21:02
James147MIH1406: it depends on what features you are looking for... there is no "messenger plus for kopete" but some of the features are already built into kopete21:02
MIH1406One minute21:03
MIH1406This feature: Colors, Formatting and Commands21:03
MIH1406I am chating with a friend and I got this as his nickname:[b][c=1]3yda2'[/c][/b]21:05
James147MIH1406: kopete > settings > configure kopete > chat window > colours & fonts21:05
MIH1406I know, but I want it to understand those syntax of MSGPLUS21:06
James147MIH1406: it wont do that...21:07
MIH1406It should be implemented I think?!21:08
ridinkopete?21:08
MIH1406yes21:08
ridinempathy and pidgin are good21:08
ridin`_`;21:08
MIH1406GTK!21:08
MIH1406I like Kopete as it is KDE child21:08
MIH1406;)21:09
ridin>:(21:10
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ridinok, i've saw this before21:21
ridinwhere do you set the window manager21:21
ridinkwin, compiz blah blah21:21
BluesKajridin,, kmenu/system settings/desktop21:26
amichairhow does one restart the usb subsystem (e.g. when lsusb hangs indefinitely)?21:27
ridinok, don't see it21:27
pablorestart21:27
pablolinux21:27
pabloyou all everybody21:27
pablobitches21:29
ridinque21:32
ridinBluesKaj, yeah not there21:36
BluesKajwindow manager or desktop ?21:37
ridinlike the buttons, minimize maximize close21:37
ridini want to change the look of the window title and that21:37
BluesKajkdm is the e window manager21:37
ridin.21:37
ridinlogin manager?21:38
ridinno, where like metacity is for GNOME21:38
ridinso i guess window manager21:38
ridin.21:38
BluesKajlogin21:38
BluesKajsystem settings/advanced/login manager21:39
James147ridin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion21:43
ridinactually, i just got it21:44
ridinit's in default programs21:44
ridin-_-21:44
BluesKajridin, you aren't running kubuntu then , you should be asking in ubuntu21:47
BluesKajerr #ubuntu21:47
James147BluesKaj: you can replace kwin and still use plasma-desktop ... would still consider that kde21:48
guest_ngsi21:48
guest_ngsi21:49
BluesKajJames147, yeah, but he's obviously using the gnome desktop in kwin21:49
bastouf.join #ubuntu-fr21:49
* BluesKaj switches to gnome desktop21:53
Klaus_Dieterridin: I am ooking for the same config option21:58
Klaus_Dieterridin: I did change KDEWM in /usr/bin/startkde but that is a hack that influences every user on the system not just one21:59
ridin?22:00
Klaus_Dietersetting the window manager22:00
ridini got mine at kmenu -> system settings -> Default applications22:00
Klaus_Dieterhmm22:00
Klaus_Dieterthank yiou for the hint22:00
Klaus_Dieterlol the option is there but greyed out22:01
EliteHuntersanyone using 10.10 Alpha 222:01
ridinelitehunters: #ubuntu+122:01
EliteHuntersthanks22:01
udo_test22:18
James147udo_: Failed22:18
James147:)22:19
James147!hi | udo_22:19
ubottuudo_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay!22:19
udo_just looking around, no problems :-)22:20
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slow-motionn822:34
ridinhow can i increase the transparency of the taskbar22:43
avihayridin: I think it's related to the theme22:45
ridinavihay, do you know a transparent theme?22:46
James147ridin: kde-look.org will ahve some22:46
avihayno, I mixed and matched some themes in the past. my taskbar is useing the image from a theme called naked (just a black square, and it's like haveing a light tint when I'm compositing22:47
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poohi23:03
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ZeddikusWhat is the name of the program that can be used to edit the grub boot menu?23:12
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javierhola23:34
javierhe instalado   kubuntu 10.4 y quiero saber como agregarle programas23:34
avihay!es23:36
ubottuEn la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter.23:36

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