[00:00] <Daughain> WHats the best way to install VB? CLI or software center?
[00:24] <pebinha> alguem fala portugues:
[00:29] <Mamarok> !pt | pebinha
[01:50] <gaerrtyQ> @gaerrtyQ
[02:03] <Zeddikus> Cabuntu?n someone tell me what the menu file is for Grub and where it is located in Ku
[02:04] <Zeddikus> That was supposed to be what is the menu file for grub and where is it located
[02:37] <c3l>  what font does the "non-emulated"/"non-graphical" terminal use? (the one you get when pressing ctrl-alt+F1
[03:16] <jschall> kubuntu netbook is cool
[03:30] <jillsmitt> where can i read about future updates of kubuntu?
[03:54] <anzwaits> I tried to sync the songs to my ipod using gtkpod, but its showing as iTunesDB currupted. any idea?
[03:59] <anzwaits> can anybody help me on this ipod issue?
[04:03] <Eruaran> Does ANYONE know how to get an ATI HD 3650 working with Kubuntu WITHOUT one issue after another after another after another?
[04:04] <Eruaran> Right now I don't have a system that can remember its screen resolution when you reboot... can't do desktop compositing... can only play games, and if I go back to the radeon or radeonhd drivers, I will lose that
[04:05] <Eruaran> The proprietary fglrx driver seems to be the only one that you can play a 3d game with without a crash that will require a hard reset
[04:05] <Eruaran> But if I use that driver, I lose everything else.
[04:05] <Eruaran> This is just insane.
[04:06] <Eruaran> There's no way I could recommend ATI to any Linux user.
[04:22] <Eruaran> I have the proprietary fglrx driver installed
[04:23] <Eruaran> I have added ppa:info-g-com/xserver-xorg-1.7.6-gc which aparrently fixes a issue in xorg-server-core
[04:26] <Eruaran> I have changed my GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= from "quiet splash" to "quiet splash pci=use_crs" because aparrently the card fails to get properly allocated to the kernel... after doing this I no longer have to change my screen resolution every time after rebooting... but as usual, yet another problem is created - System Settings, KInfoCentre and the Catalyst control center all crash when you try to use them now.
[04:26] <Eruaran> And I still have no desktop compositing
[04:27] <Eruaran> And now games wont start either...
[04:29] <Eruaran> It seems that I just can't have a fully functioning system with an ATI graphics card
[04:29] <Eruaran> This is just as disappointing as the last time I was stupid enough to bother with ATI
[04:34] <jschall> Eruaran: i thought ati usually had the best linux support now
[04:35] <Eruaran> jschall: you've got to be joking
[04:38] <Eruaran> If I change "quiet splash pci=use_crs" back to just "quiet splash" I will be able to use System Settings etc again but my resolution will revert to 640x480 when I reboot, and I still wont have compositing.
[04:39] <Eruaran> When I Google for solutions I notice this goes back YEARS
[04:39] <Eruaran> not fixed
[04:46] <Eruaran> So... Now I've put my xorg.conf with the driver as "fglrx" back into /etc/X11 and System Settings, KinfoCenter and the Catalyst Control Center are working again
[04:46] <Eruaran> And now I'm back to having to manually change my screen resolution every time I reboot again
[04:46] <Eruaran> No desktop compositing
[04:47] <Eruaran> Aparrently the kernel module for my card is "unknown"
[06:12] <jacop> hello
[06:15] <kongchen> 中uoren
[06:15] <kongchen> 有没有人
[06:16] <jacop> hey whats up?
[06:17] <jschall> jacop: do you have a question?
[06:17] <jacop> well kinda
[06:17] <kongchen> 有人吗？
[06:18] <kongchen> are there any chinese people?
[06:18] <draik> !ch | kongchen
[06:18] <draik> whoops
[06:18] <kongchen> are there any japanese people?
[06:18] <jschall> !cn | kongchen
[06:18] <draik> Thank you, jschall
[06:20] <jschall> jacop: what was your question?
[06:20] <peteh32> hi all
[06:20] <draik> Hello peteh32
[06:20] <peteh32> hi draik
[06:21] <jacop> i have via chrome9 hc video card but i couldnt download the driver software
[06:21] <jacop> so i want to know if u can guid me through
[06:23] <jschall> http://linux.via.com.tw/support/beginDownload.action?eleid=342&fid=643 see if that works for you
[06:24] <jacop> ok ill check that out
[06:25] <jacop> i got this msg in the archive manger
[06:25] <jacop> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[06:25] <jacop> tar: Child returned status 1
[06:25] <jacop> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[06:25] <FloodBotK2> jacop: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:26] <draik> jacop: What is the extension?
[06:26] <draik> *.gz - use gunzip
[06:26] <draik> *.tar.gz - use tar zxvf
[06:27] <jacop> its *.tgz
[06:27] <draik> Try the tar command I gave you
[06:28] <jacop> which one
[06:28] <jacop> im not seeing any
[06:29] <kongchen> ...
[06:29] <kongchen> 我会打中文
[06:29] <kongchen> 你们会不会？
[06:29] <kongchen> 哇哈哈哈哈哈哈
[06:30] <draik> kongchen: I don't think anyone here will be able to read/respond to that.
[06:30] <draik> jacop: tar zxvf archive.tgz
[06:32] <jacop> didnt work
[06:34] <draik> What is the output?
[06:35] <jacop> tar: 5.74.33.86a-u904-50937.tgz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[06:35] <jacop> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
[06:35] <jacop> tar: Child returned status 2
[06:35] <jacop> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors
[06:35] <FloodBotK2> jacop: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:35] <jacop> here i could open the file using ark
[06:36] <jacop> but i dont know what to do after that
[06:36] <draik> Extract
[06:37] <jacop> should i extract somewhere
[06:37] <draik> ;)
[06:37] <jacop> hhh
[06:38] <jacop> i extract it now what?
[06:38] <draik> No clue. What do you want to do next?
[06:38] <jacop> its a driver software
[06:39] <jacop> i would like to download it
[06:39] <draik> Well, you downloaded and extracted the archive. What's next on the to-do list?
[06:39] <draik> You just go with that.
[06:39] <draik> Did you see the instructions jschall gave you?
[06:40] <jschall> draik: i didn't give him any instructions apart from the link
[06:40] <jschall> jacop: there should be a .deb in the archive
[06:40] <jacop> ok
[06:40] <draik> Whoops. Sorry. I meant to reference the instructions from the link, not just 'instructions'
[06:41] <jschall> jacop: so extract the archive (with ark or tar) and run dpkg -i on the deb
[06:41] <jacop> ok
[06:41] <draik> I'm off to "enjoy" sleeping in a bed over 100F degrees.
[06:41] <jacop> hhhh
[06:41] <jacop> ok thanx dude
[06:45] <jacop> sorry how can i run the dpkg on the deb
[06:45] <jacop> ??
[06:48] <jacop> i think i downloaded it
[06:48] <jacop> ill reboot the system and check out
[06:52] <TeslaTony> I've been having a problem with knetworkmanager on Kubuntu Netbook Remix: Every time I connect to an unsecured wireless network, it tries making a new entry, using the info from the last unsecured network I used, then the connection fails. How can I fix this?
[06:54] <jacop> hey
[06:54] <jacop> it didnt work
[06:55] <ubuntu> hey
[06:55] <ubuntu> anyone here?
[06:57] <jacop> yup
[06:57] <ubuntu> whts up?
[06:58] <jacop> nuthin
[06:59] <jacop> much
[06:59] <jacop> how r u doin
[06:59] <jacop> ?
[06:59] <FloodBotK2> jacop: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[07:00] <ubuntu> kind of frustrated. I'm trying to install ubuntu on my macbook 2,1 booting from a thumbdrive but i keep getting this kernel error
[07:00] <jacop> dude im new to linux too
[07:01] <jacop> im tryin to download the software for my vga card
[07:01] <ubuntu> oh cool
[07:01] <ubuntu> i'm on a mac
[07:01] <ubuntu> so no graphics cards here
[07:01] <ubuntu> just lack of support for everything
[07:01] <jacop> hhh
[07:02] <jacop> i got sick of my vga card
[07:02] <ubuntu> lol
[07:03] <elcaset> even macs have graphics cards.  proprietary ones.
[07:03] <ubuntu> well yea
[07:03] <ubuntu> but you have to run everything on low
[07:03] <jacop> thats sucks
[07:03] <ubuntu> i guess
[07:03] <ubuntu> i'm a 360 gamer when i need my fix
[07:03] <elcaset> by low, you mean 800 x 600?
[07:04] <ubuntu> yep
[07:04] <ubuntu> settings low
[07:04] <ubuntu> every REAL game with a low framerate
[07:04] <ubuntu> emulating n64 games have some issues to
[07:05] <jacop> its good u can run games
[07:05] <jacop> i cant run anything in here
[07:05] <solifugus_> I did a dpkg -i packagename.deb and it's making me install dependencies, one-by-one.. how can I make that automatic?
[07:05] <elcaset> i've had that problem with an sis video card on pos averatec laptop.
[07:05] <ubuntu> idk
[07:05] <ubuntu> when i load my EFI bootloader via usb on my mac it says i need to load a kernel
[07:05] <ubuntu> what does tht mean
[07:07] <jacop> idk
[07:07] <jacop> did u check online
[07:07] <ubuntu> yes
[07:07] <ubuntu> posted on forums
[07:07] <ubuntu> i rly need this portable ubuntu usb for school
[07:08] <jacop> chieck this link
[07:08] <jacop> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-how-to-load-a-kernel-module-automatically-at-boot-time/
[07:10] <ubuntu> alright
[07:10] <ubuntu> the comment may help
[07:13] <ubuntu> so it's just a command?
[07:13] <jacop> well
[07:13] <jacop> as it written in the site yes
[07:13] <jacop> but im not very sure
[07:13] <ubuntu> hopefully this works
[07:14] <ubuntu> otherwise i'll go to bed and wait for those forum replies
[07:14] <jacop> just try it
[07:14] <ubuntu> because i made a live cd
[07:14] <ubuntu> and i'm on the try or install haha
[07:14] <jacop> hhh
[07:14] <ubuntu> gotta write it down first
[07:15] <jacop> yup i
[07:17] <ubuntu> alright
[07:17] <ubuntu> wish me luck
[07:17] <ubuntu> if it works ill see u soon!
[07:18] <jacop> hhh
[07:18] <jacop> good luck
[07:35] <ubuntu> ack
[07:35] <ubuntu> with no success :(
[07:38] <jacop> did it work
[07:39] <ubuntu> no
[07:39] <ubuntu> it said command not found
[07:42] <ubuntu> can someone help me?
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> what was the issue ubottu
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> err ubuntu
[07:43] <ubuntu> I made a bootable usb flash drive
[07:43] <ubuntu> on my macbook
[07:43] <ubuntu> running ubuntu 9.1
[07:44] <ubuntu> the problem is when i launch the EFI boot loader it says i need to load the kernel
[07:44] <elcaset> have you tried installing from a livecd with external optical drive.
[07:44] <ubuntu> i don't have an external optical drive
[07:44] <ubuntu> and i can't install it on this hard drive
[07:46] <jacop> guys i need some help with via drivers
[07:46] <jacop> if anybody can help
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> I thought macs had a bios compatability layer ubuntu
[07:49] <ubuntu> they do
[07:49] <ubuntu> and i can get it to boot off the usb
[07:49] <ubuntu> but when it asks me to select the ubuntu MBP partition
[07:49] <ubuntu> it says i need to load the kernal
[07:50] <well_laid_lawn> ubuntu: so there is nothing called syslinux on the usb?
[07:51] <ubuntu> let me check
[07:53] <ubuntu> yes there is
[07:54] <well_laid_lawn> and a file called autorun.cfg or similar?
[07:56] <ubuntu> nope
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> how did you build the bootable usb, with unetbootin?
[07:57] <ubuntu> no
[07:57] <ubuntu> i used a guide
[07:57] <well_laid_lawn> !unetbootin
[07:57] <ubuntu> no
[07:57] <ubuntu> i partitioned it using Gparted
[07:57] <ubuntu> and installed using a live cd
[07:58] <well_laid_lawn>  For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[07:59] <ubuntu> it's different for mac
[07:59] <ubuntu> non apple computers can do this in 5 minnutes
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> maybe ask in ##mac
[07:59] <ubuntu> ?
[08:28] <hagebake> anyone else getting an akonadi crash whenever trying to start kmail with beta ppa?
[08:40] <chakie> morning
[08:41] <chakie> is it only me or has anyone else had problems with 9.10 in that the mouse suddenly stops working properly?
[08:41] <chakie> it moves, but clicking works only for some actions
[08:42] <chakie> it always means a restart of the desktop
[08:42] <chakie> interestingly, as soon as i've logged out (no x restart) it works again, so it feels like the kde desktop somehow does somethign interesting
[08:43] <chakie> i see that same problem on two totally different machines
[08:43] <chakie> sometimes happens 5 times per day, sometimes once
[08:43] <chakie> it's quite annoying
[08:44] <chakie> one other guy had reported a bug for it months ago, but the "responsible" person closed it as "nah, can't be a problem, you're doing it wrong"
[08:45] <GinoMan> I heard bug?
[08:47] <elcaset> sounds like a legit bug.
[08:51] <chakie> ah, found the bug and others seem to have it too
[08:51] <chakie> but that wasn't the one that was closed somewhat immediately
[08:52] <chakie> of course, launchpad seems broken at the moment
[08:52] <chakie> "This bug report will be marked for expiration in 32 days if no further activity occurs."
[08:53] <chakie> sounds like a good way to get rid of bugs
[08:53] <chakie> saving a bug comment should not take five minutes, right?
[09:01] <Roverto> hey'
[09:01] <Roverto> ##mac
[09:37] <zer0> yo yo yo
[09:37] <Roverto> hey
[10:39] <slow-motion> hi
[11:01] <suhail> kkkk
[11:03] <elcaset> kde
[11:06] <Peace-> ?
[11:06]  * Peace- in kde 4.5
[11:06] <Misterio> Peace-: rc?
[11:14] <Peace-> yea
[11:31] <karthik_> hi .. Whenver i start compiz on kubuntu the window manager gets crashed .. The error I get is ..http://pastebin.com/6G8RhvKz   .. any ideas ?
[11:41] <Peace-> karthik_: compiz?
[11:41] <Peace-> who cares of compiz if you have kwin effetcs
[11:43] <karthik_> Peace-: I am very much used to compiz .. I ve never tried out kwin effects .. are they good ?
[11:43] <Peace-> karthik_: for me there is only kwin
[11:43] <Peace-> effects
[11:43] <Peace-> compiz it's too much heavy
[11:44] <Peace-> *FOR ME*
[11:44] <elcaset> they're good & not as slow as compiz.
[11:44] <karthik_> Peace-: elcaset: okay .. I ll give a try ..
[11:53] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[12:40] <liam__> !anyone I'm running 10.04 , I had the startup/shutdown screens when i first installed but now they don't display i just get text... i Have restored /etc/default/grub file to the original so i know it's not to do with that, i have also tried "sudo update-alternatives --auto default.plymouth" and "sudo echo "FRAMEBUFFER=y" > /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash && sudo update-initramfs -u"
[12:42] <eagles0513875> !patience | liam__
[12:48] <e01> hello
[12:48] <e01> how can i get working internet from gprs (from my gsm) over bluetooth
[13:06] <Zensursula> Hi, is here someone who can tell me how to use Nepomuk and Strigi in any effectve way?
[13:07] <Zensursula> Once I could search my system with Strigi. But not anymore.
[13:08] <Zensursula> And as it really sucks my CPU I wonder wether I can just stop those services.
[13:08] <Zensursula> Right now I don't have an idea what it's good for.
[13:12] <sheytan> Hi
[13:12] <sheytan> im trying to transfer a video from my JVC camera via firewire
[13:12] <derdon> hi sheytan
[13:12] <sheytan> what i need to do?
[13:12] <sheytan> when i plug it in, nothings happen
[13:13] <derdon> plug it out
[13:13] <derdon> then execute the command "tail -f /var/log/messages"
[13:13] <derdon> then plug it in
[13:13] <derdon> and see what happens
[13:14] <sheytan> derdon Jul 18 14:02:19 Kubuntu kernel: [13521.956127] ieee1394: raw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized
[13:15] <derdon> sheytan: is this the only message which appeared after plugging in the camera?
[13:15] <sheytan> yes
[13:17] <sheytan> is there any app i should use to tranfser the video?
[13:25] <sheytan> i got it :D
[13:25] <sheytan> very easy :D
[13:25] <sheytan> just changed the premissions for camera device, then kdenlive sees it :D
[13:34] <jacop> helloo
[13:35] <jacop> is there any auto update drivers or something like that?
[13:45] <jacop> anybody here
[13:48] <astro_> hi
[14:00] <heyson-alice> I have two laptops with Kubuntu running. They're both connected to the same wireless network, and it works. Now, I want to share a folder on computer 1 and then download its content on computer 2. How do I do that the easiest way?
[14:01] <elcaset> use an external hard drive or usb thumb drive.
[14:03] <heyson-alice> So network sharing isn't a solution? I'd like to try that.
[14:17] <jacop> im having a problem with my sound card and graphic card
[14:18] <jacop> hellooo
[14:18] <jacop> anyone here
[14:19] <heinkel_111> how do I start the GUI version upgrade tool manually ... I lost the upgrade notification icon after accidentally hitting a wrong button in the upgrade confirm dialogue
[14:19] <tsimpson> heyson-alice: I use sshfs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS but there is also samba https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html but it's less flexible and more complicated to set up
[14:20] <heyson-alice> tsimpson: Thanks! :)
[14:20] <jacop> VGA via chrome9 hc
[14:20] <jacop> driver
[14:20] <tsimpson> heinkel_111: you should be able to start it from System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Updates
[14:21] <tsimpson> or run "update-notifier-kde -u" manually
[14:22] <heinkel_111> the first one left me with basically an empty window... maybe something is locking the apt system
[14:22] <heyson-alice> tsimpson: People like you are really wonderful!
[14:23] <mfraz74> heinkel_111: what are you upgrading from and to?
[14:23] <martin_> heinkel_111: have you tried to reboot your system?
[14:24] <heinkel_111> mfraz74: i started at kubuntu 9.04 yesterday, now I am on 9.10 and the plan is to continue to 10.04 in 5 minutes
[14:24] <heinkel_111> martin_: reboot should be unecessary for this, it is a linux system after all
[14:25] <martin_> heinkel_111: yeah, but that is easier than unlocking apt manually, in most cases
[14:25] <daniel__> helo
[14:26] <heinkel_111> martin_: you may be right, it is a long time since I had to
[14:26] <heinkel_111> so I might have forgotten that
[14:29] <heinkel_111> martin_: actually apt-get update and upgrade worked fine so I think basically the empty window was nothing left to update :-)
[14:29] <heinkel_111> I am kind of new to the GUI version upgrade, until now I have done the text based one
[14:30] <heinkel_111> but my dvd writer seems corrupted so now I upgrade across the net instead of in isolation
[14:30] <heinkel_111> and figured out I should try the GUI tool since they appear to have improved a lot in the recent releases
[14:38] <martin_> heinkel_111: could be too, yes :)
[15:21] <kenshi991> hola
[15:24] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world
[15:25] <Klaus_Dieter> I am looking for a pendrive image for kubuntu. I am aware of different tutorials to create such an image using the install CD and syslinux however syslinux crashesi n the attempt on my system.
[15:25] <Klaus_Dieter> so I cannot make it bootable myself
[15:26] <Klaus_Dieter> CD image will not help as I do not have a cd drive in the computer in question
[15:26] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: Its easiest to use "usb-creator-kde" to install the cd image to a flash drive
[15:27] <Klaus_Dieter> James147: for that you have to have linux - I do not.
[15:27] <Klaus_Dieter> James147: currently only BSD systems around
[15:27] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: then unetbootin
[15:27] <Klaus_Dieter> I also do not have a windows around
[15:28] <Klaus_Dieter> either windows or linux is required for unetbootin
[15:28] <James147> :(
[15:28] <Klaus_Dieter> chicken and egg
[15:29] <Klaus_Dieter> also I doubt it would help - I am not afraid of the console, it is just that the tool needed to make the thumb drive bootable is crashing
[15:29] <Klaus_Dieter> so if I download the netbook edition image, can I install a regular kubuntu using that?
[15:30] <Klaus_Dieter> hmm jsut seeing that this would not work as I want it to be amd64
[15:31] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: yes and no... you will have to manually install kubuntu-desktop afterwards
[15:31] <Klaus_Dieter> ok
[15:31] <Klaus_Dieter> what about the switch from 32 to 64 bit?
[15:31] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: impossible
[15:32] <Klaus_Dieter> dang
[15:33] <elcaset> i wouldn't recommend 64bit yet, anyway.
[15:33] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: could you try installing grub instead of syslinux?
[15:33] <James147> elcaset: why not?
[15:34] <elcaset> 32 bit is more stable.
[15:34] <James147> elcaset: havent had any problems with 64bit... dont really see how its more stable
[15:35] <elcaset> good to hear.  how about drivers?
[15:35] <Klaus_Dieter> James147: I cannot build it on this system as it can only be compiled on i386
[15:35] <James147> elcaset: no problems with dirvers at all
[15:36] <elcaset> sounds like 64 bit GNU/linux is improving.
[15:39] <Klaus_Dieter> elcaset: I have used it a couple years back and it was good
[15:41] <elcaset> kuhl.
[15:43] <Klaus_Dieter> the current version is maverick, right?
[15:43] <Torch> Klaus_Dieter: lucid.
[15:44] <Klaus_Dieter> maverick is the next?
[15:44] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: yes
[15:52] <Klaus_Dieter> thanks Torch  and James147
[15:53] <Klaus_Dieter> is there a kubuntu handbook?
[15:57] <Klaus_Dieter> thought so ;)
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Klaus_Dieter,   https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ
[15:58] <Klaus_Dieter> cool BluesKaj thank you - I was looking for the software management part and it is on there
[16:00] <BluesKaj> Klaus_Dieter, lots of info in the message bar
[16:07] <Klaus_Dieter> Torch: James147  I think I found a solution and I am currently seeing whether it is successful: It is this site http://learn.clemsonlinux.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Install_from_USB_drive
[16:09] <Klaus_Dieter> it is basically an image with an empty fat16 file system having sylinux installed and enough room to pu the install CD iso on it.
[16:09] <Klaus_Dieter> during startup it will (hopefully) ask for the name of the iso
[16:20] <Klaus_Dieter> can I turn an ubuntu into a kubuntu?
[16:20] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: install "kubuntu-desktop"
[16:20] <Klaus_Dieter> taht is it?
[16:20] <Klaus_Dieter> coool
[16:21] <Klaus_Dieter> so I can install an ubuntu now, lateron apt-get kubuntu-desktop and I have a full-fledged kubuntu
[16:21] <James147> well, that will give you both gnome and kde :)
[16:21] <Klaus_Dieter> ok
[16:21] <James147> !purekde | Klaus_Dieter
[16:22] <Klaus_Dieter> so then the trouble is sweet
[16:22] <Klaus_Dieter> - so then the trouble is
[16:22] <Klaus_Dieter> I was gonna complete with 2removing gnome"
[16:36] <Klaus_Dieter> this is actually pretty cool this seems to work - it recognizes the CD
[16:51] <Klaus_Dieter> wow a monkey could install ubuntu
[16:51] <Klaus_Dieter> now I am not sure whether this is good or bad ;)
[16:54] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: easier to use is always good... unless you take away features to do it :)
[16:55] <Klaus_Dieter> well at some point there is an ease vs efficiency debate going on
[16:56] <Klaus_Dieter> or more specifically: intuition vs efficiency
[16:57] <Klaus_Dieter> but I see your point, it is hard to argue that an installer should be complex ;)
[16:58] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: and there is always the alternitive installer :)
[17:05] <Klaus_Dieter> James147: actually that is what I am using
[17:05] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: :D
[17:06] <Klaus_Dieter> I really do like the way the encryption is interwoven with the installer
[17:06] <Klaus_Dieter> and the "make it work" mentality taken for setting this up
[17:06] <Klaus_Dieter> its cool
[17:11] <martin_> anyone with experience of fingerprints in linux?
[17:29] <Klaus_Dieter> what do I do if I want to install a specific version of software that is not in the main repositories?
[17:29] <Klaus_Dieter> lets say rekonq 0.5
[17:30] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: depends on what format the program comes in :)
[17:30] <Klaus_Dieter> rekonq is a kde4 app - 0.4 is in the repositories afaik but 0.5 not
[17:31] <Klaus_Dieter> so I could build an own package
[17:31] <Klaus_Dieter> or ... ?
[17:31] <martin_> Klaus_Dieter: you can either compile it from source
[17:31] <martin_> or
[17:31] <dan> I think my laptop is about to die.  So I am going to buy a new one.  Are there troubles with running Kubuntu on a radeon laptop card?
[17:31] <martin_> kubuntu has a development repo, it might be there
[17:32] <Klaus_Dieter> martin_: ok
[17:33] <Klaus_Dieter> dan: xorg works pretty well with nvidia and ati on linux. I personally use the open source ati driver and I am very happy with it but of course it depends on your chipset
[17:33] <martin_> dan: usually no problems, no
[17:33] <martin_> dan: but i recommend you to (stay calm) keep windows, even if you don't plan to use it
[17:34] <dan> Klaus_Dieter:  I've never used a non-nvidia card with Linux.  But I remember 2 years ago, NVIDIA had some frustrating issues.  But now the bargain basement lapotop of the week runs a radeon card.
[17:34] <dan> Martin_:  I usually leave the win partition up in the event that i want to play a game that is like......not kblackbox:)
[17:35] <martin_> dan: good, but yes, almost all newer radeon cards are supported
[17:35] <Klaus_Dieter> dan: with the binary driver it seems like there are always frustrating issues but then again I come from a different world in terms of linux.... This is my first attempt on ubuntu and have benn using FreeBSD before and before that gentoo for quite some time
[17:36] <martin_> dan: if you don't know which laptop you want, i recommend you Acer Aspire AS5738ZG-454G32MNBB
[17:36] <dan> Klaus_Dieter:  if you come from BSD, there likely isn't anything in *buntu land whihc will frustrait you.
[17:36] <martin_> dan: bought one last week and it works perfectly
[17:36] <Klaus_Dieter> dan: well BSD is a really nice system
[17:38] <dan> klaus_dieter:  ohhh I know.  It's very nice.
[17:38] <dan> Martin_:  are you in the US?
[17:38] <martin_> no comments
[17:38] <martin_> dan: sweden
[17:38] <martin_> dan: but it should work the same in the US
[17:38] <dan> Ahhhhhh ok, I was wondering why I couldn't find that lappy in an American store.
[17:39] <Klaus_Dieter> but my poor laptop was too damn slow to handle both: zfs and my workload so I needed a switch
[17:39] <dan> I was looking at this:  http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Compaq+-+Presario+Laptop+/+AMD+V-Series+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+2GB+Memory+/+250GB+Hard+Drive+-+Black/9980182.p?id=1218207308692&skuId=9980182
[17:39] <vot> acers suck balls
[17:39] <Klaus_Dieter> whoah the startup time is amazing
[17:39] <Klaus_Dieter> dan: I also would recommend against acer
[17:39] <dan> Klaus_Dieter:  why?
[17:40] <vot> not that, that laptop is bad specs
[17:40] <dan> I'm old school.  I just care about how many gb's it has.
[17:40] <Klaus_Dieter> dan: their mainboards tend to break after 2 years
[17:40] <vot> i.e its specs are ok
[17:40] <vot> but i have the same queries about reliability and build quality
[17:41] <Klaus_Dieter> yes I know there are many happy acer users out there but I have been fixing laptops for too long to buy acer
[17:41] <vot> i'll say this our dells statistically were a lot better
[17:41] <dan> That's about the life span I expect.  Like I say:  a train ride twice a day, comes with me wherever I go.  Shares time between my diaper bag and my laptop bag.  Occasionally falls off of a ladder.....
[17:41] <Klaus_Dieter> I have to say I do like samsung considering price/value ratio
[17:42] <Klaus_Dieter> and I am a happy samsung user for 3.5 years now with a q35
[17:43] <Klaus_Dieter> it went to university with me every day, train rides, the usual and it still does its thing
[17:44] <Klaus_Dieter> if you are a student then the student deal of IBM might also be something for you
[17:44] <Klaus_Dieter> including this rebate you pay as much as for a regular laptop but get extremely well built hardware
[17:45] <Dan_L> my corporate disount  kind of sucks
[17:46] <Dan_L> I get 50 bucks off of a deal, 'up to 33%' on lenovo, 10% off of sony, and 10% off of fujitsu
[17:47] <vot> my asus has been very good
[17:47] <Klaus_Dieter> fujitsu can be a lucky strike
[17:47] <vot> but i will say this if you have problems i dont think they have a lot of service centers
[17:47] <vot> and you would have to post it
[17:48] <Klaus_Dieter> once a client came in with a fujitsu that had its mainboard fastened with 3 screws and a lot of tape
[17:48] <vot> and probably long turn around time
[17:48] <heinkel_111> seems I managed the upgrade :) 10.04 looks good, but what is the default irc client?
[17:48] <Klaus_Dieter> asus you need to try the keyboad and touchpad. the keys for the touchpad sometimes take some getting used to.
[17:49] <Klaus_Dieter> wow reading my own statements I realize I am rather picky about laptops
[17:49] <Klaus_Dieter> heinkel_111: use irssi, it is the best
[17:49] <vot> i'll say this id barely know about the trackpad
[17:49] <heinkel_111> Klaus_Dieter: i just want to know what is default :)
[17:49] <vot> bluetooth mouse all the way
[17:50] <Dan_L> Klaus_Dieter:  it's ok to be picky:)  It's yer gear.
[17:50] <Klaus_Dieter> heinkel_111: if you want graphics, than you could use konversation which is likely to be the default
[17:50] <Klaus_Dieter> hehe Dan_L.
[17:51] <Dan_L> Does Konversation support notifications in the notificationy thing?
[17:51] <Klaus_Dieter> Dan_L: considering your discounts I would first look into Lenovo
[17:51] <vot> Like i said dells can be ok when their being competitive
[17:51] <vot> some times their expensive
[17:51] <vot> some times they have a good deal
[17:52] <vot> negative is the indian call centers
[17:52] <Klaus_Dieter> vot: and some modells are _really_ heavy but rock solid
[17:52] <Dan_L> That's the nice thing about working for a company that's so big, god is scared of them.  I have discounts everywhere:)
[17:52] <James147> heinkel_111: quassel is the default irc client in 10.04, konversation is a good alternitive when alot of people prefure
[17:52] <heinkel_111> Dan_L: yes konversation will give you notifications
[17:52] <martin_> Konversation terminated! <3
[17:52] <heinkel_111> thanks James147... do you happen to know the version number of konversation involved?
[17:53] <BluesKaj> Dan_L, yeah , look at settings/configure konversation/notifications
[17:53] <James147> heinkel_111: aptitude tells me it knows about 1.3
[17:53] <Klaus_Dieter> lenovo and the old ibm laptops are not the same any more but imho its still good hardware
[17:54] <heinkel_111> I am checking if the installed version I had compiled myself might have been updated in the upgrade or if I have to do that manuallyy
[17:55] <heinkel_111> I am on konversation 1.2.3 - what is your version numbers, people?
[17:55] <Dan_L> testdan:  test yer notification n00b
[17:55] <Dan_L> fails
[17:56] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, yeah 123 is the latest stable afaik
[17:57] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: wonderful, then I will not need to work on that
[17:58] <BluesKaj> well heinkel_111 , you can check , but I'm using kde4.4.2 , so maybe the later versions have newer konvis , dunno for sure
[17:59] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: but that is my KDE version as well, is there supposed to be somet newer KDE for kubuntu 10.04 release?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> just the alpha and beta etc dev verions which are unstable <<<<<<imo
[18:00] <James147> heinkel_111: there should be 4.4.4: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.4.4
[18:01] <BluesKaj> doesn't matter , stable kde is fine for my needs
[18:02] <heinkel_111> 4.4.2 -> 4.4.4 looks like a lot of hassle for little improvement :)
[18:02] <James147> BluesKaj: 4.4.4 should be more stable being a maintenance release
[18:02] <James147> heinkel_111: its not much hassel :S
[18:03] <Klaus_Dieter> well I hope they finally fixed akonadi in a way that it is usable
[18:03] <BluesKaj> James147, it crashed my laptop , reverted to 4.4.2 with the live cd
[18:03] <Klaus_Dieter> and not crashing all over the place
[18:03] <James147> BluesKaj: weird :S
[18:04] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: akonadi seems more stable here on kde 4.5 RC2... although I havent really used it that much :)
[18:04] <BluesKaj> James147, it's not a biggie ..I prefer stuff that works on my lappy vs experimentation , since we use when travelling etc , it needs to be stable and ready to go.
[18:05] <Klaus_Dieter> James147: hmm I finally want to use it to sync my pim dtaa from my cell phone
[18:05] <Klaus_Dieter> gut
[18:06] <James147> BluesKaj: yeah... although the maintance releases should mostly just be bug fixes... so more stable. Although if it crashes then upgrading isent a good idea :)
[18:06] <BluesKaj> I gave up up the moto driver for kubuntu , i just load the phone pics on to the w7 and copy from there
[18:08] <BluesKaj> <--not much of a pnone geek anyway ...they're still silly gadgets to me ...I guess if I was still working my attitude would be different ... another tool I suppose.
[18:15] <hagabaka> is anyone else getting a segfault in akonadi_imap_resource when starting kmail?
[18:15] <cutiyar> i created project with k3b and copying data to edit , after was finished pasted them to another pc but some of was not copied it input/output error
[18:48] <amichair> how does one restart the usb bus (e.g. when lsusb hangs indefinitely)?
[18:55] <terry> !multilib
[18:55] <terry> Can anyone tell me how to install multilib support?
[18:55] <terry> So I can install 32bit apps on ubuntu64?
[19:00] <James147> terry: I think it is possible, but I dont know the details :)
[19:02] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world
[19:02] <James147> terry: http://maketecheasier.com/run-32-bit-apps-in-64-bit-linux/2009/08/10 looks like you need to install ia32-libs
[19:02] <Klaus_Dieter> here I am again with my first real kubuntu question: When I start my system it says in the tray that the networkmanager is disabled. Why? How do I enable it?
[19:03] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: :D edit or delete /var/lib/NetworkManger/NetworkManager.state then restart network-manager
[19:04] <Klaus_Dieter> James147: well I rebooted the system
[19:04] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: I have only seen that happen when I shutdown then suspend my laptop before it has shutdown :S
[19:05] <Klaus_Dieter> James147: yeah to be speciic I tried to suspend and the laptop crashed in the attempt
[19:05] <Klaus_Dieter> I removed the file and restartet networking
[19:05] <Klaus_Dieter> we'll see what that does
[19:06] <Klaus_Dieter> it tells me that there are no leases to use
[19:06] <Klaus_Dieter> which is correct for ethernet
[19:06] <Klaus_Dieter> however it does not respect that there is wireless
[19:07] <Klaus_Dieter> and it does not autoconnect to that one
[19:07] <Klaus_Dieter> and it still says that network management is disabled
[19:08] <Klaus_Dieter> what do I have to do to make it find my wireless card? In the initial bootup after setup I could see my wlan and connect to it
[19:08] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: need to restart network-manager not networking :)
[19:09] <Klaus_Dieter> hmm
[19:09] <Klaus_Dieter> ah
[19:09] <Klaus_Dieter> lol
[19:09] <Klaus_Dieter> thanks
[19:09] <FloodBotK2> Klaus_Dieter: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:09] <Klaus_Dieter> also nice bot and flood detection
[19:10] <Klaus_Dieter> I will type my comments in a textfile and paste them in the future instead of writing lines here ;)
[19:10] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: its telling you to do that for pasting not typing :)
[19:11]  * Klaus_Dieter knows it was just a humorous comment
[19:12] <Klaus_Dieter> well I am sure I will have *much* fun with Networkmanager. We are old friends...
[19:12] <Klaus_Dieter> and it never worked well for me. We will see what changed between 2008 and 2010
[19:12] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: you could always switch out for wicd if you have allot of trouble :)
[19:12] <Klaus_Dieter> James147: if all else fails I will toss both and use wpa_supplicant directly like in the past
[19:13] <James147> Klaus_Dieter: you also might want to keep in mind that knetworkmanager is a tempory standin while they fix the network widget
[19:14] <BluesKaj> NM was troublesome on the previous kubuntu versions but Lucid seems to have the probs I had fixed
[19:15] <Klaus_Dieter> BluesKaj: I never used ubuntu - that was in gentoo back in the day...
[19:15] <BluesKaj> just the std broadcom chip here
[19:16] <Klaus_Dieter> hmm kde is actually pretty cool if kwin is replaced by awesome
[19:16] <Klaus_Dieter> I think I will use that combo here too
[19:16] <Klaus_Dieter> nice
[19:17] <BluesKaj> the panel poition in gnome bugs me , another strike against it :)
[19:24] <sandermans15> hello :)
[19:25] <BluesKaj> hi
[19:26] <folkist> hey
[19:26] <folkist> ##mac
[19:27] <sandermans15> lol of all those people who are online are only 2 awnsering XD
[19:27] <folkist> 3*
[19:27] <sandermans15> :p
[19:28] <folkist> so sander
[19:28] <folkist> what are you doing
[19:28] <BluesKaj> sandermans15,` sometimes it helps if you just ask your question, if you have one :)
[19:29] <folkist> ooo i have a question
[19:29] <folkist> booting from EFI on a usb
[19:29] <folkist> won't load kernel
[19:29] <folkist> :(
[19:29] <folkist> ?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> !usb
[19:30] <folkist> NO
[19:30] <folkist> i did that
[19:30] <folkist> i'm on a mac
[19:30] <folkist> things are harfd
[19:31] <sandermans15> i have no question i was just checking konversation out :)
[19:31] <folkist> nice
[19:31] <folkist> like it?
[19:31] <sandermans15> verry much :)
[19:31] <BluesKaj> dunno about kubuntu on macs
[19:31] <folkist> i'm running ubuntu on vmware fusion now
[19:31] <folkist> runs fine
[19:31] <sandermans15> :)
[19:32] <sandermans15> i have just an old dusty computer :p
[19:32] <BluesKaj> yeah, konversation is my fav , altho lots prefer quassel which find fugly
[19:32] <sandermans15> i wanna build a new one but i first need the money
[19:33] <sandermans15> yeah to its exactly the same BluesKaj
[19:34] <sandermans15> i came up with a question:
[19:34] <folkist> what's that
[19:35] <sandermans15> i saw somepeople on tv working on autodesk inverter and my question is: there a linux kind of programm?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> sandermans15, yeah my compaq with ati graphics barely able to handle lucid and flash ...gotta find a better graphics card
[19:35] <BluesKaj> autodesk inverter?
[19:36] <folkist> karmic koala is so sexy
[19:36] <sandermans15> yeah
[19:36] <BluesKaj> dumb names
[19:36] <sandermans15> yea i needed to get closer to my tv to really beleave it
[19:36] <sandermans15> XD
[19:37] <sandermans15> but what you can do with the program is awsome
[19:37] <sandermans15> :)
[19:37] <BluesKaj> what is it ?
[19:37] <sandermans15> a program to design
[19:37] <sandermans15> stuff
[19:37] <folkist> karmic koala is a sexy name
[19:37] <sandermans15> in 3d
[19:38] <sandermans15> and also make things turn :)
[19:38] <folkist> like blender?
[19:38] <folkist> or 3d max?
[19:39] <sandermans15> im sorry but i made a mistake the name is autodesk inventor XD
[19:39] <BluesKaj> marsupials aren't sexy IMO :)
[19:39] <sandermans15> idk what blender or 3d max
[19:39] <sandermans15> is
[19:40] <sandermans15> my graphic card some time blacks out :@ when im playing a movie or a game
[19:40] <sandermans15> Sysinfo for 'xander-desktop': Linux 2.6.32-23-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz at 2599 MHz (5197 bogomips), HD: 33/259GB, RAM: 944/1001MB, 154 proc's, 29.12min up
[19:41] <sandermans15> what?! is my ram that full :O
[19:42] <sandermans15> is there a program that keeps your ram as empty as possible??
[19:43] <sandermans15> this is without external hd and with firefox on
[19:43] <sandermans15> Sysinfo for 'xander-desktop': Linux 2.6.32-23-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz at 2599 MHz (5197 bogomips), HD: 33/259GB, RAM: 944/1001MB, 154 proc's, 29.12min up
[19:43] <sandermans15> and this is with
[19:43] <folkist> blender is an open source 3d rendering software
[19:43] <sandermans15> Sysinfo for 'xander-desktop': Linux 2.6.32-23-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz at 2599 MHz (5197 bogomips), HD: 659/1225GB, RAM: 864/1001MB, 154 proc's, 32.20min up
[19:43] <folkist> blender.org
[19:43] <sandermans15> i will take a look at it
[19:43] <sandermans15> thanks
[19:45] <sandermans15> wow xorg takes a whole lot of ram like 65 mb :|
[19:45] <sandermans15> is it allways that much?
[19:46] <vot> oh not not 65mb
[19:46] <folkist> np
[19:47] <vot> considering 2gb is 50 AUD
[19:47] <vot> who cares even if that is a lot for xorg
[19:48] <sandermans15> i want to lower my ram usage
[19:48] <vot> dont run x
[19:50] <sandermans15> xorg is a manager of my screen if i shut it down my system crashes
[19:50] <James147> sandermans15: your system wont crash if you stop x :) you just wont ahve a gui
[19:50] <vot> try this init 3
[19:51] <vot> , lots more free ram
[19:53] <sandermans15> Sysinfo for 'xander-desktop': Linux 2.6.32-23-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.4.2 (KDE 4.4.2), CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz at 2599 MHz (5197 bogomips), HD: 659/1225GB, RAM: 855/1001MB, 159 proc's, 42.1min up
[19:54] <vot> why are you posting your bloody system stats every 2 seconds
[19:54] <sandermans15> so i can see my ram
[19:55] <vot> so dont post it here
[19:55] <vot> do it on a xterm on your machine
[19:56] <sandermans15> wie is er hier nederlands?
[19:56] <vot> speak english
[19:57] <sandermans15> waarom
[19:58] <sandermans15> how old are you?
[19:58] <vot> if your asking my ASL your not going to get lucky
[19:59] <James147> !offtopic | sandermans15
[20:00] <BluesKaj> !nl | sandermans15
[20:01] <vot> and sandermans15 i will sum up all of your questions succiently, kde is not a good choice if you wish to not use much memory... i would not call it a light desktop in terms of cpu usage or memory
[20:01] <BluesKaj> only teenagers ask others how old are you
[20:02] <sandermans15> i know
[20:02] <vot> http://www.xubuntu.org/ is probably a better choice
[20:04] <sandermans15> i know kubuntu is slower but its more beatiful and adeptable than anny other distro
[20:04] <vot> well whats with the silly questions
[20:08] <sandermans15> ignore
[20:09] <Erika_Meier> hello again
[20:10] <Erika_Meier> wwhere is the proper place in kubuntu to set the KDEWM variable?
[20:10] <Erika_Meier> for one specific user that is
[20:25] <hazan> selamlar
[20:48] <tdnicho> i accidentally closed the task bar at the bottom of my window in kubuntu...how do I get it back?
[20:48] <tdnicho> not the task tray in the lower left, but the wide bar at the bottom that has tiles for every open program I'm running
[20:49] <tdnicho> sorry, task tray in the lower right...
[20:50] <BluesKaj> tdnicho, click on the cashew and type in task
[20:51] <dan> you want to restore System Tray?
[20:52] <James147> tdnicho: right click on the panel > panel options > add widget.. > search for "Task Manager" and drag it back
[20:53] <tdnicho> this is why I love IRC!!!!   Thank you BluesKaj and James 147 for solving my problem in seconds.....all fixed
[20:53] <BluesKaj> heh, wish was that easy everytime :)
[20:54] <tdnicho> although it took me a second to find the nut!.....
[20:56] <MIH1406> Can I use messenger plus features in Koepete?
[20:57] <James147> MIH1406: depends on what features it has :)
[20:58] <MIH1406> It is here: http://www.msgplus.net/
[20:58] <MIH1406> what is Messenger Plus! Live?
[20:59] <MIH1406> Messenger Plus! Live is an add-on for Windows Live Messenger that adds tons of features and extras to the software. Extend the possibilities of Messenger and make your experience a lot more entertaining!
[20:59] <MIH1406> If I chat with my friends with Messenger Live
[20:59] <MIH1406> I can not understand what are they saying?
[21:00] <James147> MIH1406: you cannot use that with kopete... but kopete isent wlm and has more features then it
[21:00] <SandGorgon> how do I see the character map in KDE 4 ? I want to look up some unicode codes for a few characters
[21:01] <MIH1406> yes, but most if not all my friends and relatives are using it.
[21:01] <MIH1406> Is there an addon for Kopete to implement these features?
[21:02] <MIH1406> I like Kopete and want to suggest these features to it
[21:02] <James147> MIH1406: it depends on what features you are looking for... there is no "messenger plus for kopete" but some of the features are already built into kopete
[21:03] <MIH1406> One minute
[21:03] <MIH1406> This feature: Colors, Formatting and Commands
[21:05] <MIH1406> I am chating with a friend and I got this as his nickname:[b][c=1]3yda2'[/c][/b]
[21:05] <James147> MIH1406: kopete > settings > configure kopete > chat window > colours & fonts
[21:06] <MIH1406> I know, but I want it to understand those syntax of MSGPLUS
[21:07] <James147> MIH1406: it wont do that...
[21:08] <MIH1406> It should be implemented I think?!
[21:08] <ridin> kopete?
[21:08] <MIH1406> yes
[21:08] <ridin> empathy and pidgin are good
[21:08] <ridin> `_`;
[21:08] <MIH1406> GTK!
[21:08] <MIH1406> I like Kopete as it is KDE child
[21:09] <MIH1406> ;)
[21:10] <ridin> >:(
[21:21] <ridin> ok, i've saw this before
[21:21] <ridin> where do you set the window manager
[21:21] <ridin> kwin, compiz blah blah
[21:26] <BluesKaj> ridin,, kmenu/system settings/desktop
[21:27] <amichair> how does one restart the usb subsystem (e.g. when lsusb hangs indefinitely)?
[21:27] <ridin> ok, don't see it
[21:27] <pablo> restart
[21:27] <pablo> linux
[21:27] <pablo> you all everybody
[21:29] <pablo> bitches
[21:32] <ridin> que
[21:36] <ridin> BluesKaj, yeah not there
[21:37] <BluesKaj> window manager or desktop ?
[21:37] <ridin> like the buttons, minimize maximize close
[21:37] <ridin> i want to change the look of the window title and that
[21:37] <BluesKaj> kdm is the e window manager
[21:37] <ridin> .
[21:38] <ridin> login manager?
[21:38] <ridin> no, where like metacity is for GNOME
[21:38] <ridin> so i guess window manager
[21:38] <ridin> .
[21:38] <BluesKaj> login
[21:39] <BluesKaj> system settings/advanced/login manager
[21:43] <James147> ridin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[21:44] <ridin> actually, i just got it
[21:44] <ridin> it's in default programs
[21:44] <ridin> -_-
[21:47] <BluesKaj> ridin, you aren't running kubuntu then , you should be asking in ubuntu
[21:47] <BluesKaj> err #ubuntu
[21:48] <James147> BluesKaj: you can replace kwin and still use plasma-desktop ... would still consider that kde
[21:48] <guest_> ngsi
[21:49] <guest_> ngsi
[21:49] <BluesKaj> James147, yeah, but he's obviously using the gnome desktop in kwin
[21:49] <bastouf> .join #ubuntu-fr
[21:53]  * BluesKaj switches to gnome desktop
[21:58] <Klaus_Dieter> ridin: I am ooking for the same config option
[21:59] <Klaus_Dieter> ridin: I did change KDEWM in /usr/bin/startkde but that is a hack that influences every user on the system not just one
[22:00] <ridin> ?
[22:00] <Klaus_Dieter> setting the window manager
[22:00] <ridin> i got mine at kmenu -> system settings -> Default applications
[22:00] <Klaus_Dieter> hmm
[22:00] <Klaus_Dieter> thank yiou for the hint
[22:01] <Klaus_Dieter> lol the option is there but greyed out
[22:01] <EliteHunters> anyone using 10.10 Alpha 2
[22:01] <ridin> elitehunters: #ubuntu+1
[22:01] <EliteHunters> thanks
[22:18] <udo_> test
[22:18] <James147> udo_: Failed
[22:19] <James147> :)
[22:19] <James147> !hi | udo_
[22:20] <udo_> just looking around, no problems :-)
[22:34] <slow-motion> n8
[22:43] <ridin> how can i increase the transparency of the taskbar
[22:45] <avihay> ridin: I think it's related to the theme
[22:46] <ridin> avihay, do you know a transparent theme?
[22:46] <James147> ridin: kde-look.org will ahve some
[22:47] <avihay> no, I mixed and matched some themes in the past. my taskbar is useing the image from a theme called naked (just a black square, and it's like haveing a light tint when I'm compositing
[23:03] <poo> hi
[23:12] <Zeddikus> What is the name of the program that can be used to edit the grub boot menu?
[23:34] <javier> hola
[23:34] <javier> he instalado   kubuntu 10.4 y quiero saber como agregarle programas
[23:36] <avihay> !es