[00:22] <Daekdroom> Looks like I ran into a bug that doesn't have a launchpad entry. Too bad I'm horrible at reporting bugs :|
[00:23] <penguin42> what  is it?
[00:23] <Daekdroom> regarding sound indicator
[00:23] <Daekdroom> and its rhythmbox integration
[00:24] <Daekdroom> the progressbar of the song will freeze on a given part of the song
[00:24] <Daekdroom> xD
[00:24] <penguin42> ah
[00:40] <Daekdroom> So, may anyone read the description in bug 606786 and tell me if the text is clear enough?
[00:41] <penguin42> sure, let me look
[00:42] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I think I see what you are saying even though I don't use it
[00:43] <Daekdroom> penguin42, how so? You have to play a song using rhythmbox to use it O.o
[00:43] <Daekdroom> *see it
[00:44] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Well, you are talking about something which has a position (which is wrong), and it sounds like the thing that has the position also has a forward/backwards button, and when you use that it is based on the time it shows not the time it's actually at?
[00:44] <Daekdroom> penguin42, let me take a screenie
[00:46] <penguin42> Daekdroom: It sounds to me like rhythmbox just forgets to update it at some point, but it's pretty independent so that the forward/reverse use the time it has, so if that time is wrong it's not too surprising the forward/reverse base it on that
[00:46] <Daekdroom> penguin42, no, I mean using the BAR to go foward/backwards inside the song
[00:46] <Daekdroom> Like the progressbar there's in rhythmbox itself.
[00:47] <Daekdroom> penguin42, http://imagebin.org/105721
[00:47] <Daekdroom> There's a music applet in the panel, so you can easily notice there's something wrong
[00:50] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Hmm that is nice
[00:50] <penguin42> (I don't know hich language I'm learning - it's always interesting to learn from buttons)
[00:50] <Daekdroom> Portuguese
[00:50] <penguin42> ah
[00:51] <penguin42> Daekdroom: It's interesting tha thte English is 'Mute All' which is qutie short, is there no Portuguese word shorter than Totalmente ?
[00:52] <Daekdroom> penguin42, pretty much every word that could replace it ends with mente :|
[00:52] <Daekdroom> modal adverbs :|
[00:54] <penguin42> what is the 'mente' ?
[00:54] <Daekdroom> lly
[00:54] <Daekdroom> You have lly, we have mente
[00:55] <penguin42> hmm
[00:55]  * penguin42 was never very good with languages :-)
[00:55] <Daekdroom> Totalmente Mudo is a direct translation from Totally mute, as a matter of fact. We don't tend to use the verb "mute", so...
[00:56] <penguin42> Google Translate suggests Mudo tudo as a translation of Mute everything
[00:56]  * Daekdroom facepalms
[00:56]  * BUGabundo hears Portuguese
[00:56] <Daekdroom> Emudecer tudo :|
[00:57] <Daekdroom> and I don't think I ever heard emudecer outside poetry
[00:57] <penguin42> It's interesting the longer English translates into a shorter Portuguese and the other way :-)
[00:57] <BUGabundo> that's just wrong
[00:57] <BUGabundo> should be "sem som"
[00:57] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, Oh yeah, there's that!
[00:57] <BUGabundo> please ping susana, and ask for it to be upgraded
[00:58] <BUGabundo> or fixed
[00:58] <forrestv> penguin42, have you looked into that mouse bug at all?
[00:58] <Daekdroom> We could propose a change ourselves through launchpad, y'know.
[00:58] <forrestv> i'm not sure what to do as i don
[00:58] <penguin42> forrestv: Which one?
[00:58] <forrestv> 't know which package
[00:58] <forrestv> penguin42, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/606589
[00:59] <penguin42> forrestv: No I haven't, I wondered if it was related to the focus errors metacity keeps giving me and the high X cpu usage I sometimes get, but not looked into it
[00:59] <Daekdroom> That happens to me when I don't have the windows focused..
[00:59]  * penguin42 wouldn't really know where to look
[01:00] <BUGabundo> Daekdroom: #ubuntu-pt
[01:01] <penguin42> forrestv: ALso, for you does it flicker very badly - even ignoring the jump?
[01:02] <forrestv> penguin42, no, only the jumping.
[01:02] <yoasif> im noticing a weird issue with my web browsers -- the letter "b" doesn't come up in some places
[01:02] <yoasif> anyone else seeing this weirdness?
[01:03] <penguin42> forrestv: Hmm ok, sounds like I have at least two bugs then
[01:03] <penguin42> yoasif: No, not seen that
[01:04] <yoasif> penguin42, this is what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/68lc2.png
[01:06] <penguin42> yoasif: What's wrong with that?
[01:06] <Daekdroom> penguin42, look closer
[01:06] <Daekdroom> penguin42, there are a few "bug" and "but" words without the b
[01:06] <yoasif> look at the like with 29760 with the flash
[01:07] <yoasif> line*
[01:07] <penguin42> oh - WEIRD
[01:07] <yofel> o.O
[01:08] <penguin42> I would have said it was bold capital B's except we have one of those
[01:08] <yoasif> yeah it's weird
[01:09] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: hey, are you still there?
[01:09] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: pong
[01:10] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: could you send me the 64bit version of the flash plugin?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> let me see if I have it
[01:10] <BUGabundo> I don't :(
[01:10] <kklimonda> bah
[01:10] <BUGabundo> I think I have it at work
[01:10] <Daekdroom> penguin42, they only show up in bug and but words
[01:10] <BUGabundo> ping me back on Monday
[01:10] <Daekdroom> I mean, the bug only shows up :P
[01:10] <forrestv> anyone know how to get the source for a version of a package in maverick that's out of the repository? looking for xserver-xorg-core=1.8.1.902-0ubuntu1 and xserver-xorg-core=1.8.1.902-0ubuntu2 to diff
[01:11] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: sure, will do
[01:12] <BUGabundo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 116K 2010-06-10 23:08 /var/lib/flashplugin-installer/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so*
[01:12] <BUGabundo> not sure that's 32 or 64
[01:12] <kklimonda> it crashes like crazy :/
[01:12] <BUGabundo> Shockwave Flash 10.1 r53
[01:12] <BUGabundo> yeah, flash started to crash yesterday
[01:12] <kklimonda> npwrapper sounds like a 32 bit plugin wrapped :)
[01:12] <kklimonda> yesterday?
[01:13] <kklimonda> It crashed like an hour ago for me ;)
[01:13] <kklimonda> I was so happy with 64 bit plugin :/
[01:13] <kklimonda> but I've forgotten to backup it
[01:14] <penguin42> forrestv: The ubuntu2 should have a changelog in at least
[01:18] <forrestv> ah yeah
[01:19] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: heh there should be some internet backup :p
[01:19] <penguin42> forrestv: Supposedly the only difference between 1.8.1.902-0ubuntu 1 and 2 was they removed the upstream changelog
[01:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I know, but I don't trust random .so files and I don't have a hash ;)
[01:21] <BUGabundo> ask fta. maybe he has it
[01:23] <Daekdroom> Looks like they finally reported the startup mute issue
[01:23] <Daekdroom> in bug 597282
[01:23] <penguin42> Daekdroom: It was OK today for me
[03:31] <alien__> Does someone want to help me with my question?
[03:32] <IdleOne> you haven't asked a question
[03:32] <alien__> Hello, I am having a graphics problem. When I boot normally I do not recieve a graphics output. However I can still interact with it. (i still hear the noise at the login screen, I press shutdown button and it shutsdown) If I add i915.modeset=0 to grub I get a "low graphics mode" The graphics card works even worse in 10.04. Does anyone have any reccomedations?
[03:33] <alien__> It was a while ago...
[03:33] <IdleOne> alien__: the proper channel to ask would be #ubuntu
[03:33] <IdleOne> this is for ubuntu 10.10
[03:33] <alien__> even though I am running ubuntu 10.10.
[03:33] <IdleOne> alien__: ahh sorry
[03:33] <IdleOne> I misread
[03:34] <alien__> np,
[03:34] <IdleOne> ok yes this would be the proper channel
[03:34] <IdleOne> be patient and if someone knows they will try to help
[03:34] <alien__> Ok Ty
[03:52] <rsouthard> alien, have you tried the alternate cd?
[05:36] <cozziemoto> hey guys... no sun java yet in partner repo?
[08:55] <DanaG> Say, anyone know if Maverick PPC kernel has radeonfb disabled?
[08:55] <DanaG> I'm having a hell of a time trying to get radeon KMS to work on Lucid on a PowerBook G4.
[08:56] <DanaG> With video= anything but "ofonly", I get radeonfb.... and with ofonly, radeondrmfb doesn't properly kick out offb.
[09:06] <LoverBoyV> Hello, can anyone in here help me with my graphics issues?
[09:41] <LoverBoyV_> Is there anyone here that can help me?
[11:08] <dupondje> yofel: what you think about making a wiki page about the current X-issues
[11:08] <dupondje> alot of people are hitting the bug
[11:08] <dupondje> and its maby cool that we can give them some workarounds :)
[14:31]  * penguin42 drops a pin
[14:32]  * yofel listens till the echo fades out..
[14:36] <StaRetji> Folks, is it possible to upgrade from lucid to maverick, but without upgrading the kernel?
[14:36] <StaRetji> hehe
[14:36] <nigelb> why would you want to do that?
[14:36] <StaRetji> I on usb stick with permanent storage
[14:36] <penguin42> StaRetji: The upgrade generally leaves the old kernel and it still seems to work
[14:36] <StaRetji> it didn't for me
[14:37] <StaRetji> tried installing kernel and broke down
[14:37] <nigelb> StaRetji: are you sure? It may have just removed the grub entries
[14:37] <StaRetji> couldn't boot anymore coz I'm booting with syslonux
[14:37] <StaRetji> it's casper-rw
[14:38] <StaRetji> it would be awesome if I can upgrade the kernel
[14:40] <StaRetji> maybe everything is almost ok, but I end up in initrams or something at he boot (if kernel is ugpraded)
[14:49] <StaRetji> anywayz, thx folks, see ya around o7
[15:08] <penguin42> anyone use xfwm4?
[15:44] <pavolzetor> Hallo, I wanna join ayatana
[15:45] <IdleOne> https://launchpad.net/ayatana
[15:48] <pavolzetor> thanks
[15:48] <pavolzetor> and another question
[15:48] <pavolzetor> why are new apps written in python?
[15:49] <yofel> pavolzetor: that's the decision of whoever writes the app, they don't have to be
[15:50] <yofel> python is a bit easier for beginners IMHO than C/++
[15:51] <pavolzetor> hmm, but slower, damn, I don't use python, I use C, because it is faster
[15:51] <pavolzetor> I used C on some competitions
[15:52] <penguin42> pavolzetor: Python is slower, but when the app is mostly a GUI and doesn't do much computation then all the time is spent in the libraries that are C anyway
[15:53] <penguin42> and it is less work to write GUI apps in python than C
[15:55] <pavolzetor> hmm but also ABI for calcualtions in C is slow
[15:56] <penguin42> ?
[15:56] <pavolzetor> I did experiments in andorid
[15:56] <pavolzetor> and call C app from Java is slow
[15:57] <penguin42> pavolzetor: The trick with any of these things is to make the right choice about what to have in C and what to have in the other language; you don't want to make too many crossings between them; it works for some type of applications better than others
[15:58] <pavolzetor> yes, for math on android is C only wat
[15:58] <pavolzetor> y
[15:59] <pavolzetor> I try join to ayatana
[16:00] <pavolzetor> And could someone help me with this
[16:01] <pavolzetor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-power/+bug/257827
[16:04] <pavolzetor> no one?
[16:04] <penguin42> pavolzetor: I'm never quite sure which bits do the brightness stuff
[16:04] <pavolzetor> I feel, no one interests in this bug report
[16:05] <pavolzetor> and it is horrible
[16:05] <penguin42> pavolzetor: I think there are a lot of similar hotkey/brightness bugs I've seen, but I think there are a lot of things that interact
[16:06] <pavolzetor> hmm
[16:07] <yofel> maybe you should file a new bug..
[16:07] <pavolzetor> but I don't like duplicates
[16:07] <yofel> some people there say they have the bug but say that brightness doesn't change at all
[16:07] <yofel> pavolzetor: kernel team policy is that users should never think they have the same bug but *please* file duplicates
[16:08] <pavolzetor> have you laptop?
[16:08] <yofel> as even one changed chip on a motherbord can mean that one fix works on one mainboard but not on another of the same model
[16:09] <penguin42> yofel: Or just a fine difference between firmware version
[16:09] <pavolzetor> maybe
[16:09] <yofel> yep
[16:09] <pavolzetor> but I have TP t500 and my sisster has FSC V5505
[16:09] <pavolzetor> rangew is 16 steps
[16:09] <pavolzetor> but ubuntu changes it twice
[16:09] <yofel> then even more the reason that a fix might work on one and not on another
[16:09] <pavolzetor> I can fix it for me
[16:10] <pavolzetor> because brightness is handled by kernel
[16:10] <pavolzetor> and gnome handles it too
[16:10] <pavolzetor> 1 step for kernel
[16:10] <pavolzetor> 1 step by gpm
[16:10] <pavolzetor> and twice steps are in the world :-D
[16:10] <pavolzetor> I have tested it on 2 laptops
[16:11] <yofel> pavolzetor: well, asking in #ubuntu-kernel certainly won't hurt, they might be able to give you better advice
[16:11] <pavolzetor> and if kernel cannot change it, I think it is impossible to handle it by gnome-power-manager
[16:11] <yofel> (don't expect them to answer soon though..)
[16:11] <pavolzetor> okey
[16:11] <pavolzetor> I try it
[16:11] <pavolzetor> time,
[16:11] <yofel> can take like several hours..
[16:12] <yofel> depends if someone that knows about brightness control is online atm
[16:13] <penguin42> pavolzetor: Are you sure it is the kernel that is doing and not the firmware?
[16:14] <pavolzetor> In vista it works properly
[16:14] <pavolzetor> and also, if I kill gnome-power-manager
[16:14] <pavolzetor> it works properly
[16:14] <penguin42> yeh but I'm wondering if the 2 steps are coming from gpm+firmware rather than gpm+kernel
[16:15] <pavolzetor> yes, it could be also firmware
[16:15] <pavolzetor> you might be right
[16:15] <pavolzetor> but gnome-power-manager (gpm) gives notification
[16:16] <pavolzetor> and another question
[16:16] <pavolzetor> how can I boot my snapshot?
[16:17] <pavolzetor> I have made snapshot of root
[16:17] <pavolzetor> and then upgrade to maverick
[16:17] <penguin42> that is a LONG running bug isn't it
[16:18] <pavolzetor> what? with bitghtness?
[16:18] <pavolzetor> maybe half of year
[16:19] <penguin42> pavolzetor: No, look at the length of that bug - it goes back many years
[16:19] <pavolzetor> you are right
[16:19] <pavolzetor> I had reported it many times
[16:20] <penguin42> did you try the boot with acpi_backlight=vendor ?
[16:20] <pavolzetor> I try it, brgt
[16:20] <pavolzetor> brb
[16:36] <pavolzetor> thanks, I report new bug
[16:36] <penguin42> did that help?
[16:37] <pavolzetor> I have tested it on sister laptop and acpi_backlight=vendor not works properly
[16:37] <pavolzetor> at me it owrks
[16:37] <pavolzetor> How can I log irc conversation?
[16:39] <penguin42> pavolzetor: Depends on your client, but this will appear here irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/18/%23ubuntu+1.html at the start of the next hour
[16:39] <pavolzetor> thanks
[16:40] <penguin42> The kernels drivers/acpi/video.c is very big, lots of fixes for specific bioses - just looking through it, quite complex
[16:43] <pavolzetor> Hey, my screen sometimes flicker
[16:43] <pavolzetor> could it be hardware issue?
[16:45] <penguin42> yes, depends on the type of flicker I guess
[16:45] <pavolzetor> it shows colorfull rows
[16:46] <penguin42> that sounds like hardware to me
[16:46] <pavolzetor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/508248
[16:46] <pavolzetor> I don't see it in vista ever
[16:46] <pavolzetor> and earlier ubuntu
[16:47] <penguin42> hmm ok; well I guess you might be seeing  a program start up and draw something there and then go away
[16:48] <penguin42> I do remember a while ago seeing a flicker on my Intel machine that was  a driver issue - used to be whole screen though
[16:48] <pavolzetor> I don't think that
[16:48] <pavolzetor> I have it only on bottom hlaf of screen
[16:49] <penguin42> pavolzetor: Maybe; difficult to tell - on Intel where it shares RAM bandwidth with the host system you can get some odd effects
[16:49] <penguin42> (when it goes wrong)
[16:49] <pavolzetor> I try report bug
[16:50] <pavolzetor> I am using 32 kernel
[16:50] <pavolzetor> but I have also 35 kernel
[16:50] <pavolzetor> but there my wireless card not works
[16:50] <pavolzetor> I have only 4 GB ram
[16:50] <pavolzetor> can it depends on it?
[16:52] <penguin42> on the amount of RAM? Unlikely
[16:52] <pavolzetor> hmm
[16:52] <pavolzetor> I think it depends on kernel
[16:52] <pavolzetor> or intel drivers
[16:53] <penguin42> I haven't updated my intel machine to Maverick yet
[16:53] <pavolzetor> got choice :-)
[16:53] <pavolzetor> good
[16:54] <penguin42> I'm having enough fun issues with my other machine that has Radeon
[16:55] <pavolzetor> I have two graphic cards
[16:55] <pavolzetor> Ati works properly
[16:57] <pavolzetor> I don;t remember buggy alhpa like maverick
[16:58] <penguin42> hey if Alpha just worked no one would wait for Beta!
[16:58] <pavolzetor> yes
[16:58] <pavolzetor> I am maintainer of slovak translation
[16:58] <pavolzetor> therefore I need testing release
[17:01] <penguin42> ah I see
[17:01] <penguin42> I guess you find things where people have forgotten to translate them or put them through the tranlsation layer at all
[17:01] <pavolzetor> yes
[17:02] <pavolzetor> It is sometimes funny, if you are in parttime job and ubuntu wont boot :-D
[17:03] <pavolzetor> I am going to try my snapshot boot
[17:04] <pavolzetor> And do you have idea why wifi not works on lastest kernel?
[17:05] <penguin42> I don't run wifi here
[17:06] <penguin42> I use wires - I know where my packets go!
[17:06]  * Daekdroom takes a deep breath
[17:06] <Daekdroom> Looks like empathy's notifyOSD causes telepathy-butterfly to crash..
[17:07] <pavolzetor> heh, we have 3 comp
[17:07] <pavolzetor> and router is in different room
[17:08] <pavolzetor> I have WPA2
[17:08] <pavolzetor> my neightborn has WEP :-D (pretty damn to see, what he does)
[17:52] <duffydack> Ive got win7 and lucid dual boot and i have 30gig unallocted at the end of my drive, I have no /boot partition, so will installing maverick into my 30gig free space and making a seperate boot partition affect lucid in any way ?
[18:09] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/270822
[18:09] <BUGabundo> thank you cjwatson :D
[21:08] <DanaG> Say, how do I get radeonfb not to try to load on Maverick?
[21:08] <DanaG> it's built-in, so I can't blacklist it!
[21:15] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584744
[21:18] <DanaG> So I'm rather stuck right now...
[21:18] <DanaG> if I try video=ofonly, it uses offb and breaks KMS.
[21:18] <DanaG> If I use video=offb:off, it turns off offb, but leaves radeonfb active... thus still breaking KMS!
[21:19] <DanaG> ah, a workaround:
[21:19] <DanaG> video=ofonly video=offb:off
[21:26] <DanaG> Tells it not to use radeonfb, in favor of offb... then tells it not to use offb.
[21:36] <DanaG> Weird: on radeondrmfb on powerpc, plymouth is white on bright bright blue.
[22:02] <EliteHunters> hey all
[22:02] <EliteHunters> anyone using 10.10 Alpha 2
[22:03] <EliteHunters> got it last night and been testing it for this entire day so far
[22:03] <EliteHunters> adding firefox support
[22:03] <EliteHunters> flash
[22:03] <EliteHunters> vlc
[22:03] <EliteHunters> skype
[22:04] <EliteHunters> working fine thus far
[22:05] <EliteHunters> haven't thrown any 720 or 1080 mkv at it yet
[22:06] <EliteHunters> what about any of you all
[22:07] <EliteHunters> how is Maverick M going for you
[22:36] <EliteHunters> hey ppl
[22:41] <BUGabundo> hey EliteHunters
[22:42] <EliteHunters> hey BUGabundo
[22:43] <EliteHunters> how's everything on you side
[22:43] <EliteHunters> not much to report on my end
[22:43] <BUGabundo> neither
[22:43] <EliteHunters> just testing out the Mav Meerkat
[22:43] <EliteHunters> seeing how it handles
[22:44] <EliteHunters> but that's about it so far
[22:44] <EliteHunters> the stability looks good
[22:44] <EliteHunters> had to fight up with some app additions for myself
[22:44] <EliteHunters> but I got through it
[22:48] <BUGabundo> wb
[22:52] <TommyThaGun> does ubuntu support the turbo boost tech of the new intel chips? or is that something that the chips do on their own?
[22:53] <EliteHunters> thanks
[22:53] <EliteHunters> just getting to know the Quassel IRC
[22:53] <EliteHunters> use to XChat
[22:57] <yofel> TommyThaGun: The turbo boost on my i7 works... I think, powertop shows the cpu as being in turbo boost mode when under heavy usage
[22:58] <TommyThaGun> cool deal
[22:58] <TommyThaGun> I'm looking at upgrading my laptop, and I'm looking at different features and seeing what really matters about my upgrade
[22:58] <TommyThaGun> which way I should go
[23:02] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[23:09] <TommyThaGun> is blu-ray not officially supported on linux systems?
[23:09] <TommyThaGun> maybe that's a #ubuntu-offtopic question
[23:21] <EliteHunters> any feedback on Maverick Meerkat Alpha 2