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DaekdroomLooks like I ran into a bug that doesn't have a launchpad entry. Too bad I'm horrible at reporting bugs :|00:22
penguin42what  is it?00:23
Daekdroomregarding sound indicator00:23
Daekdroomand its rhythmbox integration00:23
Daekdroomthe progressbar of the song will freeze on a given part of the song00:24
DaekdroomxD00:24
penguin42ah00:24
DaekdroomSo, may anyone read the description in bug 606786 and tell me if the text is clear enough?00:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 606786 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox progressbar in sound indicator isn't working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60678600:40
penguin42sure, let me look00:41
penguin42Daekdroom: I think I see what you are saying even though I don't use it00:42
Daekdroompenguin42, how so? You have to play a song using rhythmbox to use it O.o00:43
Daekdroom*see it00:43
penguin42Daekdroom: Well, you are talking about something which has a position (which is wrong), and it sounds like the thing that has the position also has a forward/backwards button, and when you use that it is based on the time it shows not the time it's actually at?00:44
Daekdroompenguin42, let me take a screenie00:44
penguin42Daekdroom: It sounds to me like rhythmbox just forgets to update it at some point, but it's pretty independent so that the forward/reverse use the time it has, so if that time is wrong it's not too surprising the forward/reverse base it on that00:46
Daekdroompenguin42, no, I mean using the BAR to go foward/backwards inside the song00:46
DaekdroomLike the progressbar there's in rhythmbox itself.00:46
Daekdroompenguin42, http://imagebin.org/10572100:47
DaekdroomThere's a music applet in the panel, so you can easily notice there's something wrong00:47
penguin42Daekdroom: Hmm that is nice00:50
penguin42(I don't know hich language I'm learning - it's always interesting to learn from buttons)00:50
DaekdroomPortuguese00:50
penguin42ah00:50
penguin42Daekdroom: It's interesting tha thte English is 'Mute All' which is qutie short, is there no Portuguese word shorter than Totalmente ?00:51
Daekdroompenguin42, pretty much every word that could replace it ends with mente :|00:52
Daekdroommodal adverbs :|00:52
penguin42what is the 'mente' ?00:54
Daekdroomlly00:54
DaekdroomYou have lly, we have mente00:54
penguin42hmm00:55
* penguin42 was never very good with languages :-)00:55
DaekdroomTotalmente Mudo is a direct translation from Totally mute, as a matter of fact. We don't tend to use the verb "mute", so...00:55
penguin42Google Translate suggests Mudo tudo as a translation of Mute everything00:56
* Daekdroom facepalms00:56
* BUGabundo hears Portuguese00:56
DaekdroomEmudecer tudo :|00:56
Daekdroomand I don't think I ever heard emudecer outside poetry00:57
penguin42It's interesting the longer English translates into a shorter Portuguese and the other way :-)00:57
BUGabundothat's just wrong00:57
BUGabundoshould be "sem som"00:57
DaekdroomBUGabundo, Oh yeah, there's that!00:57
BUGabundoplease ping susana, and ask for it to be upgraded00:57
BUGabundoor fixed00:58
forrestvpenguin42, have you looked into that mouse bug at all?00:58
DaekdroomWe could propose a change ourselves through launchpad, y'know.00:58
forrestvi'm not sure what to do as i don00:58
penguin42forrestv: Which one?00:58
forrestv't know which package00:58
forrestvpenguin42, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/60658900:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 606589 in Ubuntu "relative mouse movement in games - cursor/view jumps to same position approximately every second" [Undecided,Confirmed]00:58
penguin42forrestv: No I haven't, I wondered if it was related to the focus errors metacity keeps giving me and the high X cpu usage I sometimes get, but not looked into it00:59
DaekdroomThat happens to me when I don't have the windows focused..00:59
* penguin42 wouldn't really know where to look00:59
BUGabundoDaekdroom: #ubuntu-pt01:00
penguin42forrestv: ALso, for you does it flicker very badly - even ignoring the jump?01:01
forrestvpenguin42, no, only the jumping.01:02
yoasifim noticing a weird issue with my web browsers -- the letter "b" doesn't come up in some places01:02
yoasifanyone else seeing this weirdness?01:02
penguin42forrestv: Hmm ok, sounds like I have at least two bugs then01:03
penguin42yoasif: No, not seen that01:03
yoasifpenguin42, this is what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/68lc2.png01:04
penguin42yoasif: What's wrong with that?01:06
Daekdroompenguin42, look closer01:06
Daekdroompenguin42, there are a few "bug" and "but" words without the b01:06
yoasiflook at the like with 29760 with the flash01:06
yoasifline*01:07
penguin42oh - WEIRD01:07
yofelo.O01:07
penguin42I would have said it was bold capital B's except we have one of those01:08
yoasifyeah it's weird01:08
kklimondaBUGabundo: hey, are you still there?01:09
BUGabundokklimonda: pong01:09
kklimondaBUGabundo: could you send me the 64bit version of the flash plugin?01:10
BUGabundolet me see if I have it01:10
BUGabundoI don't :(01:10
kklimondabah01:10
BUGabundoI think I have it at work01:10
Daekdroompenguin42, they only show up in bug and but words01:10
BUGabundoping me back on Monday01:10
DaekdroomI mean, the bug only shows up :P01:10
forrestvanyone know how to get the source for a version of a package in maverick that's out of the repository? looking for xserver-xorg-core=1.8.1.902-0ubuntu1 and xserver-xorg-core=1.8.1.902-0ubuntu2 to diff01:10
kklimondaBUGabundo: sure, will do01:11
BUGabundo-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 116K 2010-06-10 23:08 /var/lib/flashplugin-installer/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so*01:12
BUGabundonot sure that's 32 or 6401:12
kklimondait crashes like crazy :/01:12
BUGabundoShockwave Flash 10.1 r5301:12
BUGabundoyeah, flash started to crash yesterday01:12
kklimondanpwrapper sounds like a 32 bit plugin wrapped :)01:12
kklimondayesterday?01:12
kklimondaIt crashed like an hour ago for me ;)01:13
kklimondaI was so happy with 64 bit plugin :/01:13
kklimondabut I've forgotten to backup it01:13
penguin42forrestv: The ubuntu2 should have a changelog in at least01:14
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forrestvah yeah01:18
BUGabundokklimonda: heh there should be some internet backup :p01:19
penguin42forrestv: Supposedly the only difference between 1.8.1.902-0ubuntu 1 and 2 was they removed the upstream changelog01:19
kklimondaBUGabundo: I know, but I don't trust random .so files and I don't have a hash ;)01:21
BUGabundoask fta. maybe he has it01:21
DaekdroomLooks like they finally reported the startup mute issue01:23
Daekdroomin bug 59728201:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 597282 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Volume is at Zero on every log-in" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59728201:23
penguin42Daekdroom: It was OK today for me01:23
alien__Does someone want to help me with my question?03:31
IdleOneyou haven't asked a question03:32
alien__Hello, I am having a graphics problem. When I boot normally I do not recieve a graphics output. However I can still interact with it. (i still hear the noise at the login screen, I press shutdown button and it shutsdown) If I add i915.modeset=0 to grub I get a "low graphics mode" The graphics card works even worse in 10.04. Does anyone have any reccomedations?03:32
alien__It was a while ago...03:33
IdleOnealien__: the proper channel to ask would be #ubuntu03:33
IdleOnethis is for ubuntu 10.1003:33
alien__even though I am running ubuntu 10.10.03:33
IdleOnealien__: ahh sorry03:33
IdleOneI misread03:33
alien__np,03:34
IdleOneok yes this would be the proper channel03:34
IdleOnebe patient and if someone knows they will try to help03:34
alien__Ok Ty03:34
rsouthardalien, have you tried the alternate cd?03:52
cozziemotohey guys... no sun java yet in partner repo?05:36
DanaGSay, anyone know if Maverick PPC kernel has radeonfb disabled?08:55
DanaGI'm having a hell of a time trying to get radeon KMS to work on Lucid on a PowerBook G4.08:55
DanaGWith video= anything but "ofonly", I get radeonfb.... and with ofonly, radeondrmfb doesn't properly kick out offb.08:56
LoverBoyVHello, can anyone in here help me with my graphics issues?09:06
LoverBoyV_Is there anyone here that can help me?09:41
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dupondjeyofel: what you think about making a wiki page about the current X-issues11:08
dupondjealot of people are hitting the bug11:08
dupondjeand its maby cool that we can give them some workarounds :)11:08
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* penguin42 drops a pin14:31
* yofel listens till the echo fades out..14:32
StaRetjiFolks, is it possible to upgrade from lucid to maverick, but without upgrading the kernel?14:36
StaRetjihehe14:36
nigelbwhy would you want to do that?14:36
StaRetjiI on usb stick with permanent storage14:36
penguin42StaRetji: The upgrade generally leaves the old kernel and it still seems to work14:36
StaRetjiit didn't for me14:36
StaRetjitried installing kernel and broke down14:37
nigelbStaRetji: are you sure? It may have just removed the grub entries14:37
StaRetjicouldn't boot anymore coz I'm booting with syslonux14:37
StaRetjiit's casper-rw14:37
StaRetjiit would be awesome if I can upgrade the kernel14:38
StaRetjimaybe everything is almost ok, but I end up in initrams or something at he boot (if kernel is ugpraded)14:40
StaRetjianywayz, thx folks, see ya around o714:49
penguin42anyone use xfwm4?15:08
pavolzetorHallo, I wanna join ayatana15:44
IdleOnehttps://launchpad.net/ayatana15:45
pavolzetorthanks15:48
pavolzetorand another question15:48
pavolzetorwhy are new apps written in python?15:48
yofelpavolzetor: that's the decision of whoever writes the app, they don't have to be15:49
yofelpython is a bit easier for beginners IMHO than C/++15:50
pavolzetorhmm, but slower, damn, I don't use python, I use C, because it is faster15:51
pavolzetorI used C on some competitions15:51
penguin42pavolzetor: Python is slower, but when the app is mostly a GUI and doesn't do much computation then all the time is spent in the libraries that are C anyway15:52
penguin42and it is less work to write GUI apps in python than C15:53
pavolzetorhmm but also ABI for calcualtions in C is slow15:55
penguin42?15:56
pavolzetorI did experiments in andorid15:56
pavolzetorand call C app from Java is slow15:56
penguin42pavolzetor: The trick with any of these things is to make the right choice about what to have in C and what to have in the other language; you don't want to make too many crossings between them; it works for some type of applications better than others15:57
pavolzetoryes, for math on android is C only wat15:58
pavolzetory15:58
pavolzetorI try join to ayatana15:59
pavolzetorAnd could someone help me with this16:00
pavolzetorhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-power/+bug/25782716:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 257827 in linux (Ubuntu) "brightness changes twice when using hotkeys" [Medium,Incomplete]16:01
pavolzetorno one?16:04
penguin42pavolzetor: I'm never quite sure which bits do the brightness stuff16:04
pavolzetorI feel, no one interests in this bug report16:04
pavolzetorand it is horrible16:05
penguin42pavolzetor: I think there are a lot of similar hotkey/brightness bugs I've seen, but I think there are a lot of things that interact16:05
pavolzetorhmm16:06
yofelmaybe you should file a new bug..16:07
pavolzetorbut I don't like duplicates16:07
yofelsome people there say they have the bug but say that brightness doesn't change at all16:07
yofelpavolzetor: kernel team policy is that users should never think they have the same bug but *please* file duplicates16:07
pavolzetorhave you laptop?16:08
yofelas even one changed chip on a motherbord can mean that one fix works on one mainboard but not on another of the same model16:08
penguin42yofel: Or just a fine difference between firmware version16:09
pavolzetormaybe16:09
yofelyep16:09
pavolzetorbut I have TP t500 and my sisster has FSC V550516:09
pavolzetorrangew is 16 steps16:09
pavolzetorbut ubuntu changes it twice16:09
yofelthen even more the reason that a fix might work on one and not on another16:09
pavolzetorI can fix it for me16:09
pavolzetorbecause brightness is handled by kernel16:10
pavolzetorand gnome handles it too16:10
pavolzetor1 step for kernel16:10
pavolzetor1 step by gpm16:10
pavolzetorand twice steps are in the world :-D16:10
pavolzetorI have tested it on 2 laptops16:10
yofelpavolzetor: well, asking in #ubuntu-kernel certainly won't hurt, they might be able to give you better advice16:11
pavolzetorand if kernel cannot change it, I think it is impossible to handle it by gnome-power-manager16:11
yofel(don't expect them to answer soon though..)16:11
pavolzetorokey16:11
pavolzetorI try it16:11
pavolzetortime,16:11
yofelcan take like several hours..16:11
yofeldepends if someone that knows about brightness control is online atm16:12
penguin42pavolzetor: Are you sure it is the kernel that is doing and not the firmware?16:13
pavolzetorIn vista it works properly16:14
pavolzetorand also, if I kill gnome-power-manager16:14
pavolzetorit works properly16:14
penguin42yeh but I'm wondering if the 2 steps are coming from gpm+firmware rather than gpm+kernel16:14
pavolzetoryes, it could be also firmware16:15
pavolzetoryou might be right16:15
pavolzetorbut gnome-power-manager (gpm) gives notification16:15
pavolzetorand another question16:16
pavolzetorhow can I boot my snapshot?16:16
pavolzetorI have made snapshot of root16:17
pavolzetorand then upgrade to maverick16:17
penguin42that is a LONG running bug isn't it16:17
pavolzetorwhat? with bitghtness?16:18
pavolzetormaybe half of year16:18
penguin42pavolzetor: No, look at the length of that bug - it goes back many years16:19
pavolzetoryou are right16:19
pavolzetorI had reported it many times16:19
penguin42did you try the boot with acpi_backlight=vendor ?16:20
pavolzetorI try it, brgt16:20
pavolzetorbrb16:20
pavolzetorthanks, I report new bug16:36
penguin42did that help?16:36
pavolzetorI have tested it on sister laptop and acpi_backlight=vendor not works properly16:37
pavolzetorat me it owrks16:37
pavolzetorHow can I log irc conversation?16:37
penguin42pavolzetor: Depends on your client, but this will appear here irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/18/%23ubuntu+1.html at the start of the next hour16:39
pavolzetorthanks16:39
penguin42The kernels drivers/acpi/video.c is very big, lots of fixes for specific bioses - just looking through it, quite complex16:40
pavolzetorHey, my screen sometimes flicker16:43
pavolzetorcould it be hardware issue?16:43
penguin42yes, depends on the type of flicker I guess16:45
pavolzetorit shows colorfull rows16:45
penguin42that sounds like hardware to me16:46
pavolzetorhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/50824816:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 508248 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[gm45] Screen flickers once in a while, not whole screen, one small stretch at bottom middle" [Undecided,Invalid]16:46
pavolzetorI don't see it in vista ever16:46
pavolzetorand earlier ubuntu16:46
penguin42hmm ok; well I guess you might be seeing  a program start up and draw something there and then go away16:47
penguin42I do remember a while ago seeing a flicker on my Intel machine that was  a driver issue - used to be whole screen though16:48
pavolzetorI don't think that16:48
pavolzetorI have it only on bottom hlaf of screen16:48
penguin42pavolzetor: Maybe; difficult to tell - on Intel where it shares RAM bandwidth with the host system you can get some odd effects16:49
penguin42(when it goes wrong)16:49
pavolzetorI try report bug16:49
pavolzetorI am using 32 kernel16:50
pavolzetorbut I have also 35 kernel16:50
pavolzetorbut there my wireless card not works16:50
pavolzetorI have only 4 GB ram16:50
pavolzetorcan it depends on it?16:50
penguin42on the amount of RAM? Unlikely16:52
pavolzetorhmm16:52
pavolzetorI think it depends on kernel16:52
pavolzetoror intel drivers16:52
penguin42I haven't updated my intel machine to Maverick yet16:53
pavolzetorgot choice :-)16:53
pavolzetorgood16:53
penguin42I'm having enough fun issues with my other machine that has Radeon16:54
pavolzetorI have two graphic cards16:55
pavolzetorAti works properly16:55
pavolzetorI don;t remember buggy alhpa like maverick16:57
penguin42hey if Alpha just worked no one would wait for Beta!16:58
pavolzetoryes16:58
pavolzetorI am maintainer of slovak translation16:58
pavolzetortherefore I need testing release16:58
penguin42ah I see17:01
penguin42I guess you find things where people have forgotten to translate them or put them through the tranlsation layer at all17:01
pavolzetoryes17:01
pavolzetorIt is sometimes funny, if you are in parttime job and ubuntu wont boot :-D17:02
pavolzetorI am going to try my snapshot boot17:03
pavolzetorAnd do you have idea why wifi not works on lastest kernel?17:04
penguin42I don't run wifi here17:05
penguin42I use wires - I know where my packets go!17:06
* Daekdroom takes a deep breath17:06
DaekdroomLooks like empathy's notifyOSD causes telepathy-butterfly to crash..17:06
pavolzetorheh, we have 3 comp17:07
pavolzetorand router is in different room17:07
pavolzetorI have WPA217:08
pavolzetormy neightborn has WEP :-D (pretty damn to see, what he does)17:08
duffydackIve got win7 and lucid dual boot and i have 30gig unallocted at the end of my drive, I have no /boot partition, so will installing maverick into my 30gig free space and making a seperate boot partition affect lucid in any way ?17:52
BUGabundohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27082218:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270822 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "please upgrade syslinux from 3.63 to latest debian sid version" [Low,Fix released]18:09
BUGabundothank you cjwatson :D18:09
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DanaGSay, how do I get radeonfb not to try to load on Maverick?21:08
DanaGit's built-in, so I can't blacklist it!21:08
DanaGhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=58474421:15
ubottuDebian bug 584744 in linux-2.6 "linux-2.6: radeonfb builtin on sparc and powerpc" [Important,Open]21:15
DanaGSo I'm rather stuck right now...21:18
DanaGif I try video=ofonly, it uses offb and breaks KMS.21:18
DanaGIf I use video=offb:off, it turns off offb, but leaves radeonfb active... thus still breaking KMS!21:18
DanaGah, a workaround:21:19
DanaGvideo=ofonly video=offb:off21:19
DanaGTells it not to use radeonfb, in favor of offb... then tells it not to use offb.21:26
DanaGWeird: on radeondrmfb on powerpc, plymouth is white on bright bright blue.21:36
EliteHuntershey all22:02
EliteHuntersanyone using 10.10 Alpha 222:02
EliteHuntersgot it last night and been testing it for this entire day so far22:03
EliteHuntersadding firefox support22:03
EliteHuntersflash22:03
EliteHuntersvlc22:03
EliteHuntersskype22:03
EliteHuntersworking fine thus far22:04
EliteHuntershaven't thrown any 720 or 1080 mkv at it yet22:05
EliteHunterswhat about any of you all22:06
EliteHuntershow is Maverick M going for you22:07
EliteHuntershey ppl22:36
BUGabundohey EliteHunters22:41
EliteHuntershey BUGabundo22:42
EliteHuntershow's everything on you side22:43
EliteHuntersnot much to report on my end22:43
BUGabundoneither22:43
EliteHuntersjust testing out the Mav Meerkat22:43
EliteHuntersseeing how it handles22:43
EliteHuntersbut that's about it so far22:44
EliteHuntersthe stability looks good22:44
EliteHuntershad to fight up with some app additions for myself22:44
EliteHuntersbut I got through it22:44
BUGabundowb22:48
TommyThaGundoes ubuntu support the turbo boost tech of the new intel chips? or is that something that the chips do on their own?22:52
EliteHuntersthanks22:53
EliteHuntersjust getting to know the Quassel IRC22:53
EliteHuntersuse to XChat22:53
yofelTommyThaGun: The turbo boost on my i7 works... I think, powertop shows the cpu as being in turbo boost mode when under heavy usage22:57
TommyThaGuncool deal22:58
TommyThaGunI'm looking at upgrading my laptop, and I'm looking at different features and seeing what really matters about my upgrade22:58
TommyThaGunwhich way I should go22:58
TommyThaGunhmm23:02
TommyThaGunis blu-ray not officially supported on linux systems?23:09
TommyThaGunmaybe that's a #ubuntu-offtopic question23:09
EliteHuntersany feedback on Maverick Meerkat Alpha 223:21

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