[00:22] Looks like I ran into a bug that doesn't have a launchpad entry. Too bad I'm horrible at reporting bugs :| [00:23] what is it? [00:23] regarding sound indicator [00:23] and its rhythmbox integration [00:24] the progressbar of the song will freeze on a given part of the song [00:24] xD [00:24] ah [00:40] So, may anyone read the description in bug 606786 and tell me if the text is clear enough? [00:40] Launchpad bug 606786 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Rhythmbox progressbar in sound indicator isn't working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606786 [00:41] sure, let me look [00:42] Daekdroom: I think I see what you are saying even though I don't use it [00:43] penguin42, how so? You have to play a song using rhythmbox to use it O.o [00:43] *see it [00:44] Daekdroom: Well, you are talking about something which has a position (which is wrong), and it sounds like the thing that has the position also has a forward/backwards button, and when you use that it is based on the time it shows not the time it's actually at? [00:44] penguin42, let me take a screenie [00:46] Daekdroom: It sounds to me like rhythmbox just forgets to update it at some point, but it's pretty independent so that the forward/reverse use the time it has, so if that time is wrong it's not too surprising the forward/reverse base it on that [00:46] penguin42, no, I mean using the BAR to go foward/backwards inside the song [00:46] Like the progressbar there's in rhythmbox itself. [00:47] penguin42, http://imagebin.org/105721 [00:47] There's a music applet in the panel, so you can easily notice there's something wrong [00:50] Daekdroom: Hmm that is nice [00:50] (I don't know hich language I'm learning - it's always interesting to learn from buttons) [00:50] Portuguese [00:50] ah [00:51] Daekdroom: It's interesting tha thte English is 'Mute All' which is qutie short, is there no Portuguese word shorter than Totalmente ? [00:52] penguin42, pretty much every word that could replace it ends with mente :| [00:52] modal adverbs :| [00:54] what is the 'mente' ? [00:54] lly [00:54] You have lly, we have mente [00:55] hmm [00:55] * penguin42 was never very good with languages :-) [00:55] Totalmente Mudo is a direct translation from Totally mute, as a matter of fact. We don't tend to use the verb "mute", so... [00:56] Google Translate suggests Mudo tudo as a translation of Mute everything [00:56] * Daekdroom facepalms [00:56] * BUGabundo hears Portuguese [00:56] Emudecer tudo :| [00:57] and I don't think I ever heard emudecer outside poetry [00:57] It's interesting the longer English translates into a shorter Portuguese and the other way :-) [00:57] that's just wrong [00:57] should be "sem som" [00:57] BUGabundo, Oh yeah, there's that! [00:57] please ping susana, and ask for it to be upgraded [00:58] or fixed [00:58] penguin42, have you looked into that mouse bug at all? [00:58] We could propose a change ourselves through launchpad, y'know. [00:58] i'm not sure what to do as i don [00:58] forrestv: Which one? [00:58] 't know which package [00:58] penguin42, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/606589 [00:58] Launchpad bug 606589 in Ubuntu "relative mouse movement in games - cursor/view jumps to same position approximately every second" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:59] forrestv: No I haven't, I wondered if it was related to the focus errors metacity keeps giving me and the high X cpu usage I sometimes get, but not looked into it [00:59] That happens to me when I don't have the windows focused.. [00:59] * penguin42 wouldn't really know where to look [01:00] Daekdroom: #ubuntu-pt [01:01] forrestv: ALso, for you does it flicker very badly - even ignoring the jump? [01:02] penguin42, no, only the jumping. [01:02] im noticing a weird issue with my web browsers -- the letter "b" doesn't come up in some places [01:02] anyone else seeing this weirdness? [01:03] forrestv: Hmm ok, sounds like I have at least two bugs then [01:03] yoasif: No, not seen that [01:04] penguin42, this is what it looks like: http://i.imgur.com/68lc2.png [01:06] yoasif: What's wrong with that? [01:06] penguin42, look closer [01:06] penguin42, there are a few "bug" and "but" words without the b [01:06] look at the like with 29760 with the flash [01:07] line* [01:07] oh - WEIRD [01:07] o.O [01:08] I would have said it was bold capital B's except we have one of those [01:08] yeah it's weird [01:09] BUGabundo: hey, are you still there? [01:09] kklimonda: pong [01:10] BUGabundo: could you send me the 64bit version of the flash plugin? [01:10] let me see if I have it [01:10] I don't :( [01:10] bah [01:10] I think I have it at work [01:10] penguin42, they only show up in bug and but words [01:10] ping me back on Monday [01:10] I mean, the bug only shows up :P [01:10] anyone know how to get the source for a version of a package in maverick that's out of the repository? looking for xserver-xorg-core=1.8.1.902-0ubuntu1 and xserver-xorg-core=1.8.1.902-0ubuntu2 to diff [01:11] BUGabundo: sure, will do [01:12] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 116K 2010-06-10 23:08 /var/lib/flashplugin-installer/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so* [01:12] not sure that's 32 or 64 [01:12] it crashes like crazy :/ [01:12] Shockwave Flash 10.1 r53 [01:12] yeah, flash started to crash yesterday [01:12] npwrapper sounds like a 32 bit plugin wrapped :) [01:12] yesterday? [01:13] It crashed like an hour ago for me ;) [01:13] I was so happy with 64 bit plugin :/ [01:13] but I've forgotten to backup it [01:14] forrestv: The ubuntu2 should have a changelog in at least === patdk-h3 is now known as PatrickDK [01:18] ah yeah [01:19] kklimonda: heh there should be some internet backup :p [01:19] forrestv: Supposedly the only difference between 1.8.1.902-0ubuntu 1 and 2 was they removed the upstream changelog [01:21] BUGabundo: I know, but I don't trust random .so files and I don't have a hash ;) [01:21] ask fta. maybe he has it [01:23] Looks like they finally reported the startup mute issue [01:23] in bug 597282 [01:23] Launchpad bug 597282 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Volume is at Zero on every log-in" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/597282 [01:23] Daekdroom: It was OK today for me [03:31] Does someone want to help me with my question? [03:32] you haven't asked a question [03:32] Hello, I am having a graphics problem. When I boot normally I do not recieve a graphics output. However I can still interact with it. (i still hear the noise at the login screen, I press shutdown button and it shutsdown) If I add i915.modeset=0 to grub I get a "low graphics mode" The graphics card works even worse in 10.04. Does anyone have any reccomedations? [03:33] It was a while ago... [03:33] alien__: the proper channel to ask would be #ubuntu [03:33] this is for ubuntu 10.10 [03:33] even though I am running ubuntu 10.10. [03:33] alien__: ahh sorry [03:33] I misread [03:34] np, [03:34] ok yes this would be the proper channel [03:34] be patient and if someone knows they will try to help [03:34] Ok Ty [03:52] alien, have you tried the alternate cd? [05:36] hey guys... no sun java yet in partner repo? [08:55] Say, anyone know if Maverick PPC kernel has radeonfb disabled? [08:55] I'm having a hell of a time trying to get radeon KMS to work on Lucid on a PowerBook G4. [08:56] With video= anything but "ofonly", I get radeonfb.... and with ofonly, radeondrmfb doesn't properly kick out offb. [09:06] Hello, can anyone in here help me with my graphics issues? [09:41] Is there anyone here that can help me? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:08] yofel: what you think about making a wiki page about the current X-issues [11:08] alot of people are hitting the bug [11:08] and its maby cool that we can give them some workarounds :) === siriusly is now known as siriusnova === C-S-B_ is now known as C-S-B [14:31] * penguin42 drops a pin [14:32] * yofel listens till the echo fades out.. [14:36] Folks, is it possible to upgrade from lucid to maverick, but without upgrading the kernel? [14:36] hehe [14:36] why would you want to do that? [14:36] I on usb stick with permanent storage [14:36] StaRetji: The upgrade generally leaves the old kernel and it still seems to work [14:36] it didn't for me [14:37] tried installing kernel and broke down [14:37] StaRetji: are you sure? It may have just removed the grub entries [14:37] couldn't boot anymore coz I'm booting with syslonux [14:37] it's casper-rw [14:38] it would be awesome if I can upgrade the kernel [14:40] maybe everything is almost ok, but I end up in initrams or something at he boot (if kernel is ugpraded) [14:49] anywayz, thx folks, see ya around o7 [15:08] anyone use xfwm4? [15:44] Hallo, I wanna join ayatana [15:45] https://launchpad.net/ayatana [15:48] thanks [15:48] and another question [15:48] why are new apps written in python? [15:49] pavolzetor: that's the decision of whoever writes the app, they don't have to be [15:50] python is a bit easier for beginners IMHO than C/++ [15:51] hmm, but slower, damn, I don't use python, I use C, because it is faster [15:51] I used C on some competitions [15:52] pavolzetor: Python is slower, but when the app is mostly a GUI and doesn't do much computation then all the time is spent in the libraries that are C anyway [15:53] and it is less work to write GUI apps in python than C [15:55] hmm but also ABI for calcualtions in C is slow [15:56] ? [15:56] I did experiments in andorid [15:56] and call C app from Java is slow [15:57] pavolzetor: The trick with any of these things is to make the right choice about what to have in C and what to have in the other language; you don't want to make too many crossings between them; it works for some type of applications better than others [15:58] yes, for math on android is C only wat [15:58] y [15:59] I try join to ayatana [16:00] And could someone help me with this [16:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-power/+bug/257827 [16:01] Launchpad bug 257827 in linux (Ubuntu) "brightness changes twice when using hotkeys" [Medium,Incomplete] [16:04] no one? [16:04] pavolzetor: I'm never quite sure which bits do the brightness stuff [16:04] I feel, no one interests in this bug report [16:05] and it is horrible [16:05] pavolzetor: I think there are a lot of similar hotkey/brightness bugs I've seen, but I think there are a lot of things that interact [16:06] hmm [16:07] maybe you should file a new bug.. [16:07] but I don't like duplicates [16:07] some people there say they have the bug but say that brightness doesn't change at all [16:07] pavolzetor: kernel team policy is that users should never think they have the same bug but *please* file duplicates [16:08] have you laptop? [16:08] as even one changed chip on a motherbord can mean that one fix works on one mainboard but not on another of the same model [16:09] yofel: Or just a fine difference between firmware version [16:09] maybe [16:09] yep [16:09] but I have TP t500 and my sisster has FSC V5505 [16:09] rangew is 16 steps [16:09] but ubuntu changes it twice [16:09] then even more the reason that a fix might work on one and not on another [16:09] I can fix it for me [16:10] because brightness is handled by kernel [16:10] and gnome handles it too [16:10] 1 step for kernel [16:10] 1 step by gpm [16:10] and twice steps are in the world :-D [16:10] I have tested it on 2 laptops [16:11] pavolzetor: well, asking in #ubuntu-kernel certainly won't hurt, they might be able to give you better advice [16:11] and if kernel cannot change it, I think it is impossible to handle it by gnome-power-manager [16:11] (don't expect them to answer soon though..) [16:11] okey [16:11] I try it [16:11] time, [16:11] can take like several hours.. [16:12] depends if someone that knows about brightness control is online atm [16:13] pavolzetor: Are you sure it is the kernel that is doing and not the firmware? [16:14] In vista it works properly [16:14] and also, if I kill gnome-power-manager [16:14] it works properly [16:14] yeh but I'm wondering if the 2 steps are coming from gpm+firmware rather than gpm+kernel [16:15] yes, it could be also firmware [16:15] you might be right [16:15] but gnome-power-manager (gpm) gives notification [16:16] and another question [16:16] how can I boot my snapshot? [16:17] I have made snapshot of root [16:17] and then upgrade to maverick [16:17] that is a LONG running bug isn't it [16:18] what? with bitghtness? [16:18] maybe half of year [16:19] pavolzetor: No, look at the length of that bug - it goes back many years [16:19] you are right [16:19] I had reported it many times [16:20] did you try the boot with acpi_backlight=vendor ? [16:20] I try it, brgt [16:20] brb [16:36] thanks, I report new bug [16:36] did that help? [16:37] I have tested it on sister laptop and acpi_backlight=vendor not works properly [16:37] at me it owrks [16:37] How can I log irc conversation? [16:39] pavolzetor: Depends on your client, but this will appear here irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/18/%23ubuntu+1.html at the start of the next hour [16:39] thanks [16:40] The kernels drivers/acpi/video.c is very big, lots of fixes for specific bioses - just looking through it, quite complex [16:43] Hey, my screen sometimes flicker [16:43] could it be hardware issue? [16:45] yes, depends on the type of flicker I guess [16:45] it shows colorfull rows [16:46] that sounds like hardware to me [16:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/508248 [16:46] Launchpad bug 508248 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[gm45] Screen flickers once in a while, not whole screen, one small stretch at bottom middle" [Undecided,Invalid] [16:46] I don't see it in vista ever [16:46] and earlier ubuntu [16:47] hmm ok; well I guess you might be seeing a program start up and draw something there and then go away [16:48] I do remember a while ago seeing a flicker on my Intel machine that was a driver issue - used to be whole screen though [16:48] I don't think that [16:48] I have it only on bottom hlaf of screen [16:49] pavolzetor: Maybe; difficult to tell - on Intel where it shares RAM bandwidth with the host system you can get some odd effects [16:49] (when it goes wrong) [16:49] I try report bug [16:50] I am using 32 kernel [16:50] but I have also 35 kernel [16:50] but there my wireless card not works [16:50] I have only 4 GB ram [16:50] can it depends on it? [16:52] on the amount of RAM? Unlikely [16:52] hmm [16:52] I think it depends on kernel [16:52] or intel drivers [16:53] I haven't updated my intel machine to Maverick yet [16:53] got choice :-) [16:53] good [16:54] I'm having enough fun issues with my other machine that has Radeon [16:55] I have two graphic cards [16:55] Ati works properly [16:57] I don;t remember buggy alhpa like maverick [16:58] hey if Alpha just worked no one would wait for Beta! [16:58] yes [16:58] I am maintainer of slovak translation [16:58] therefore I need testing release [17:01] ah I see [17:01] I guess you find things where people have forgotten to translate them or put them through the tranlsation layer at all [17:01] yes [17:02] It is sometimes funny, if you are in parttime job and ubuntu wont boot :-D [17:03] I am going to try my snapshot boot [17:04] And do you have idea why wifi not works on lastest kernel? [17:05] I don't run wifi here [17:06] I use wires - I know where my packets go! [17:06] * Daekdroom takes a deep breath [17:06] Looks like empathy's notifyOSD causes telepathy-butterfly to crash.. [17:07] heh, we have 3 comp [17:07] and router is in different room [17:08] I have WPA2 [17:08] my neightborn has WEP :-D (pretty damn to see, what he does) [17:52] Ive got win7 and lucid dual boot and i have 30gig unallocted at the end of my drive, I have no /boot partition, so will installing maverick into my 30gig free space and making a seperate boot partition affect lucid in any way ? [18:09] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/270822 [18:09] Launchpad bug 270822 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "please upgrade syslinux from 3.63 to latest debian sid version" [Low,Fix released] [18:09] thank you cjwatson :D === Camaro_09_ is now known as Camaro_09 === ripps_ is now known as ripps === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [21:08] Say, how do I get radeonfb not to try to load on Maverick? [21:08] it's built-in, so I can't blacklist it! [21:15] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584744 [21:15] Debian bug 584744 in linux-2.6 "linux-2.6: radeonfb builtin on sparc and powerpc" [Important,Open] [21:18] So I'm rather stuck right now... [21:18] if I try video=ofonly, it uses offb and breaks KMS. [21:18] If I use video=offb:off, it turns off offb, but leaves radeonfb active... thus still breaking KMS! [21:19] ah, a workaround: [21:19] video=ofonly video=offb:off [21:26] Tells it not to use radeonfb, in favor of offb... then tells it not to use offb. [21:36] Weird: on radeondrmfb on powerpc, plymouth is white on bright bright blue. [22:02] hey all [22:02] anyone using 10.10 Alpha 2 [22:03] got it last night and been testing it for this entire day so far [22:03] adding firefox support [22:03] flash [22:03] vlc [22:03] skype [22:04] working fine thus far [22:05] haven't thrown any 720 or 1080 mkv at it yet [22:06] what about any of you all [22:07] how is Maverick M going for you [22:36] hey ppl [22:41] hey EliteHunters [22:42] hey BUGabundo [22:43] how's everything on you side [22:43] not much to report on my end [22:43] neither [22:43] just testing out the Mav Meerkat [22:43] seeing how it handles [22:44] but that's about it so far [22:44] the stability looks good [22:44] had to fight up with some app additions for myself [22:44] but I got through it [22:48] wb [22:52] does ubuntu support the turbo boost tech of the new intel chips? or is that something that the chips do on their own? [22:53] thanks [22:53] just getting to know the Quassel IRC [22:53] use to XChat [22:57] TommyThaGun: The turbo boost on my i7 works... I think, powertop shows the cpu as being in turbo boost mode when under heavy usage [22:58] cool deal [22:58] I'm looking at upgrading my laptop, and I'm looking at different features and seeing what really matters about my upgrade [22:58] which way I should go [23:02] hmm [23:09] is blu-ray not officially supported on linux systems? [23:09] maybe that's a #ubuntu-offtopic question [23:21] any feedback on Maverick Meerkat Alpha 2