[00:34] <Iraqi> Q" After i installed ubuntu 10 on laptop Dell Vostro 1400 then done but bugs is working freeze? Why ? how can fix it ?
[00:39] <penguin42> Iraqi: Is this 10.04 (Lucid) ?
[00:40] <Iraqi> yes
[00:41] <Iraqi> notebook edition
[00:41] <Iraqi> i downloaded
[00:41] <penguin42> ok, and what exactly happens?
[00:41] <Iraqi> from web site ubuntu
[00:41] <Iraqi> i installed on windows
[00:41] <Iraqi> is installed then gave me error in HDD
[00:41] <Iraqi> unstalled
[00:42] <Iraqi> again i installed
[00:42] <Iraqi> and successed
[00:42] <Iraqi> but when opening is work freeze
[00:42] <Iraqi> too much hard open some thing or when click
[00:42] <Iraqi> just termnial work fine
[00:43] <penguin42> do you know what the error it gave was?
[00:43] <Iraqi> there are no error
[00:43] <Iraqi> just work hard and freeze
[00:44] <Iraqi> like ram 256 mb and windows vista
[00:44] <Iraqi> will windows working too hard
[00:44] <Iraqi> like this
[00:45] <penguin42> when it freezes does it come back or does it keep frozen?
[00:47] <Iraqi> freeze work mean when move mouse take a time and when want click on some app or any thing take time freeze then back work and open
[00:47] <Iraqi> my ram 1.50 G
[00:49] <penguin42> but it does work - it just takes a long time?
[00:49] <Iraqi> yes work but freeze stay more two minutes then back work
[00:50] <Iraqi> and again when just click on desktop will back to freeze
[00:50] <penguin42> hmm
[00:50] <penguin42> Iraqi: When it happens, use the dmesg command and see if there are any errors logged
[00:51] <Iraqi> which command?
[00:51] <penguin42> dmesg
[00:52] <Iraqi> wait please
[00:56] <Iraqi> is showing long lines
[00:57] <Iraqi> alot of lines*
[00:57] <Iraqi>   penguin42
[00:57] <penguin42> can you get them to a website so I can look at them? Maybe use paste.ubuntu.com - the last 30 or 40 lines maybe?
[00:58] <Iraqi> i'm in anther laptop
[00:58] <Iraqi> wait i try it
[01:04] <Iraqi> penguin42 check it in:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/465228/
[01:05] <penguin42> Iraqi: Is that after it has frozen?
[01:06] <Iraqi> is terminal was opened before and i typed it
[01:06] <Iraqi> you want in time freeze i type dmesg?
[01:06] <penguin42> but has it frozen yet in this boot ?
[01:07] <Iraqi> when i use terminal will not happen any freeze but when i minmize terminal or any other app  will start freeze
[01:08] <penguin42> but has it frozen in this particular boot
[01:08] <Iraqi> you mean please?
[01:09] <penguin42> since you rebooted has it frozen
[01:09] <Iraqi> so how i fix it?
[01:11] <penguin42> Iraqi: I can't help unless you can answer the question; maybe there is an IRC channel that speaks your native language that would be easier for you
[01:12] <Iraqi> them not answer
[01:12] <Iraqi> can you try step by step way to Fix it
[01:13] <penguin42> Iraqi: 1) Make your machine freeze       2) do dmesg  and paste that dmesg
[01:13] <penguin42> do NOT reboot between 1 and 2
[01:13] <Iraqi> i didn't reboot
[01:13] <Iraqi> reboot ( restart) < you mean right
[01:14] <penguin42> yes
[01:14] <Iraqi> wait is take time
[01:15] <penguin42> the only errors in that dmesg were about your wireless, so it's not that - you could try running 'top' in a terminal while it freezes and maybe that will show what is happening; I would also check your hard disk is OK
[01:19] <Iraqi> penguin42    http://paste.ubuntu.com/465232/
[01:20] <penguin42> Iraqi: That polkitd segfault is very unusual
[01:20] <Iraqi> same a hard action terminal on comman gmesg with freeze is going on treminal after freeze stop
[01:20] <Iraqi> mean?
[01:21] <Iraqi> command dmesg*
[01:21] <penguin42> sorry, I don't understand that
[01:21] <Iraqi> forget it, what you mean it?
[01:21] <Iraqi> That polkitd segfault is very unusual?
[01:21] <Iraqi> <<
[01:22] <penguin42> it should not happen, I don't know if that is the cause of your problem, but it shouldn't happen
[01:22] <Iraqi> what this must be not happen?
[01:23] <Iraqi> give me command line to kill it...
[01:26] <Iraqi> penguin42  ??? it can fix or i go?
[01:27] <penguin42> I don't know the fix for the polkit error, and I can't tell if it is the reason for your stalls
[01:28] <Iraqi> thanks... better back to windows 7 and unstall ubuntu :)
[01:29] <Iraqi> thanks again penguin42 for your time :)
[01:29] <Iraqi> bye bye
[01:30]  * penguin42 goes to bed
[03:29] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[04:34] <xxiao_> i believe on 10.04 'ls' command has memory leak
[04:34] <xxiao_> used valgrind and did some tests with it
[04:35] <xxiao_> on debian it's fine, if you keep running 'ls' you will see it
[04:35] <micahg> xxiao_: it's basically the same as karmic
[04:36] <xxiao_> i know
[04:36] <micahg> xxiao_: feel free to file a bug against coreutils
[04:36] <xxiao_> valgrind reports 120 bytes leak, i then did a while : do ls
[04:36] <xxiao_> after half hour i saw quite some leaks accumulating
[04:37] <xxiao_> filing it now
[04:45] <kermiac> vish: ok, I have emailed both of the students. Hopefully they will respond & we can start rocking. Thanks mate :)
[04:45] <xxiao_> done filing, thanks
[05:16] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[06:27] <stanley_robertso> hi rackIT
[08:16] <drew212> micahg: you around?
[08:16] <drew212> or ddecator?
[08:17] <micahg> drew212: yes
[08:18] <drew212> micahg: bug 606679 looks to me like it **might be ready to triage** the backtrace looks like it's good, but i wouldn't know...
[08:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606679 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox hangs intermittently for no apparent reason. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606679
[08:19] <drew212> importance would be medium: has a moderate impact on a core application
[08:19] <micahg> drew212: backtrace has no symbols
[08:19] <drew212> =(, and i thought i was doing so good...
[08:19] <micahg> drew212: if you see ?? () in the backtrace, it means that the symbols are missing
[08:19]  * drew212 noted
[08:20] <drew212> alright, ill get to work =)
[08:20] <micahg> drew212: that would be good for us to find out soon since it's supposed to be released Tuesday
[08:21] <drew212> micahg: what is released tuesday?
[08:21] <micahg> drew212: Firefox 3.6.7
[08:21] <drew212> O_o
[08:22] <drew212> micahg: what symbols does he need, and how do i know?
[08:22]  * drew212 is very scared of backtrace tools, they're not user friendly at all
[08:23] <micahg> drew212: firefox-dbg
[08:23] <micahg> or firefox-dbgsym if the ddeb repos are installed
[08:23] <micahg> drew212: scratch that
[08:23] <drew212> and how does he install that? sudo apt-get intall firefox-dbg?
[08:23] <micahg> drew212: firefox-dbg will be fine
[08:23] <micahg> drew212: yes
[08:23] <drew212> micahg: how the hell do you know all this
[08:23]  * drew212 looks frustrated (lol)
[08:24] <micahg> drew212: I've been doing this for almost a year now
[08:24] <micahg> drew212: over a year with bugs
[08:26] <drew212> micahg: is there an all inclusive set of debugging symobls (possibly a dumb question) i don't want to have to worry about every installing any of them or having to find them if i need them for a different program again =P
[08:26] <micahg> drew212: unfortunately not, apport can install that for you though
[08:26] <drew212> micahg: what if its not a crash?
[08:27] <micahg> drew212: well, the symbols help for any backtrace, not just crashes
[08:28] <drew212> micahg: i guess what i'm getting at is, how do i know what symbols need to be installed for a certain package? I find when I'm debugging alot i come up to roadblocks, things arent clearly explained anywhere =P
[08:29] <micahg> drew212: well, find the files with ?? () in your backtrace, then install the dbgsym package for them, if it's in a PPA, you'll need the -dbg package for the whole source
[08:30] <drew212> micahg: would i need to find the symobols for each file? =X
[08:30] <micahg> drew212: yeah, unless you just install the symbols for all the depends
[08:31] <drew212> and how would you suggest i search for the files in launchpad? when i google the file name it shows a bunch of bugs =P
[08:31] <micahg> drew212: not launchpad, install apt-file
[08:32] <drew212> micahg: you lost me, sorry =X
[08:32] <micahg> drew212: if you're searching for files, apt-file is the easiest way for your release
[08:32] <drew212> ok...
[08:33] <drew212> how do i use it?
[08:33] <micahg> drew212: man apt-file :)
[08:33] <drew212> micahg: next ?, where/how do i install it? =P
[08:34] <micahg> drew212: it's a package :)
[08:34] <drew212> micahg: damnit you're making me work for it on purpose!
[08:38] <drew212> micahg: ok, well i got it to spew a bunch of useless gibberish =D
[08:40] <maxwellian> drew212: FYI, this probably won't confuse the reporter, but in your comment you instructed them to run 'Sudo apt-get...', with a capital 'S' on sudo.
[08:41] <drew212> maxwellian: whoops! lol
[08:41] <maxwellian> drew212: Like I said, if they're comfortable enough to be running killall in the terminal they'll probably catch it themselves.
[08:41] <drew212> maxwellian: its a habbit to capitalize things at the start of a quote =X
[08:42] <maxwellian> drew212: Nevertheless, you might save some time by posting the correction.
[08:42] <drew212> true
[08:44] <drew212> maxwellian: corrected
[08:44] <drew212> micahg: is it bad if i need a man page for a man page =X, apt-file still has me lost on how to get usefull information
[08:45] <micahg> drew212: did you read it?
[08:45] <drew212> yeah, but it might as well be written in German...
[08:46] <drew212> micahg: terminal commands don't scare me, but idk how to come up with my own usefull commands unless its strikingly easy or similar to another one... i feel helpless here =X
[08:46]  * micahg thought the man page was pretty clear
[08:47] <micahg>  Some actions are required to run the search:
[08:47] <micahg>  update Resynchronize the package contents from their sources.
[08:47] <micahg> drew212: try apt-file -h
[08:50] <drew212> micahg: i guess i don't know what to do with the output it gives me... it would be easier if i could just search for launchpad where the files are located... then i could find how it ranks heroically and then download the dbg symbols for the whole package... and also see if any additional files i need symbols for are located in that package...
[08:51] <micahg> drew212: it's package: /path/to/file
[08:52] <micahg> drew212: you can also do a search on packages.ubuntu.com, but it's not always up to date
[08:53] <drew212> micahg: i get it! but its going to take some time to actually be able to use it usefully
[08:53] <micahg> drew212: ?
[08:53] <micahg> drew212: apt-file update
[08:53] <micahg> drew212: apt-file search /path/to/file or filename
[08:53] <drew212> micahg: the computer is great, the user, not so much =P
[08:54] <drew212> its already updated i mean
[08:54] <maxwellian> drew212: Since I've never done what you're trying to do, would you mind explaining...what you're trying to do? :P  You already have the debugging symbols for mutt, so what now?
[08:54] <drew212> maxwellian: say i'm debugging a package, pidgin for instance, and someone gives me a backtrace with no symbols...
[08:55]  * maxwellian nods
[08:55] <drew212> and he has several files listed, say X1, X2, X3, X4
[08:55] <maxwellian> drew212: Files?  As in libraries?
[08:55] <drew212> i want to find out what debugging symobls i need for those files...
[08:56] <drew212> maxwellian: idk, i'm pretty new to the linux scene so sure? *worried look*
[08:56] <drew212> say x1, x2, and x3, require debugging_symobls1
[08:57] <drew212> and x4 requires debugging_symobls2 and x5 requires debugging_symbols3
[08:57] <drew212> i want to figure out how i can find that out... and quickly cross reference, without having to look up each file individually
[08:58] <drew212> not to mention the problem of figuring out what dbg symobls they need in the first place...
[08:58] <micahg> drew212: that's what everyone has to do unless they know what package the file is in
[08:59] <drew212> micahg: i wish i knew how to program better, and in python, so i could make a program do the work for me...
[08:59] <maxwellian> drew212: Yes, I was going to suggest that. :P
[08:59] <drew212> programmers are hella lazy if you didn't know =P
[08:59] <micahg> drew212: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingWithApportRetrace
[09:00] <drew212> micahg: sweet =)
[09:00] <drew212> thats definetly going onto on of my top things i need to read
[09:09] <drew212> micahg: thanks again for helping my with all my stupid questions =P
[09:09] <micahg> drew212: no stupid questions here :)
[09:10] <drew212> micahg: I worry that people get frustrated, cuz i get *really* frustrated with myself when i cant figure it out =X
[09:11] <drew212> micahg: so when i find a library that needs debuging symobls, and i use apt-file i use the package found before the colon, and then add -dbg to the end of it to get the correct debugging symbols?
[09:12] <micahg> drew212: well, no, -dbg are for source packages
[09:12] <drew212> i wish there was a program i was having a problem with so i could actually try things hands on instead of doing everything theoretically in my head =X
[09:12] <micahg> drew212: if you add the ddeb repos, you can install the -dbgsym package for it if it's from the archive
[09:13] <maxwellian> drew212: The first sentence in the Introduction on the page micahg linked says that all the examples were created by forcing the crash using the kill tool.
[09:14] <maxwellian> drew212: So you might be able to do the same thing.
[09:14] <drew212> maxwellian: O_o thanks!
[09:15] <drew212> micahg: to make life easy on me, would it be easiest to get a crash report from someone experiencing a program hang and having them killall the program just to get a backtrace?
[09:16] <micahg> drew212: no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[09:20] <drew212> well, my head is spinning, and i need to get to bed, thanks for all the help micahg and maxwellian
[09:21] <micahg> drew212: night
[09:21] <maxwellian> drew212: Sure.  You are clearly a little in over your head, but keep at it. ;)
[09:22] <drew212> maxwellian: definetly in over my head =P, but i don't know how to get deeper, other than just dive in!
[09:22] <maxwellian> drew212: Yup.  Good luck, thanks for helping out where you can. :)
[09:22] <micahg> drew212: yep, that and asking questions
[09:26] <maxwellian> micahg: For my own education, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash, -dbg and -dbgsym are equivalent.  What were you saying about source packages?
[09:27] <micahg> maxwellian: -dbg is for the source package -dbgsym is for the binary package
[09:31] <maxwellian> micahg: I don't understand.  The symbols are already in the source code, they are only lost in compilation.  Why would you need symbols for a source package?
[09:31] <micahg> maxwellian: it provides symbols for all the bianries
[09:31] <micahg> *binaries
[09:32] <maxwellian> micahg: Sorry, I'm still pretty new...are you saying there are binaries in source packages?
[09:32] <micahg> maxwellian: 1 source can produce multiple binaries
[09:32] <micahg> so the -dbg package can have symbols for all of them
[09:33] <micahg> actually, that's werid...
[09:33] <micahg> not always the case
[09:33] <maxwellian> micahg: ?
[09:33] <micahg> maxwellian: well, you can have a -dbg for each binary as well
[09:35] <maxwellian> micahg: So...they are equivalent, as stated on the wiki page?
[09:36] <maxwellian> micahg: Assuming I'm reading it correctly...not at all certain. ;)
[09:36] <micahg> yes
[09:37] <maxwellian> micahg: Okay, I guess that makes sense.  Weird that they would be named differently.  Thanks!
[10:55] <arjunak01> im unable to report a bug in nautilus ubuntu-bug says that "The problem cannot be reported:This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[10:56] <yofel_> arjunak01: can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache nautilus' please?
[10:57] <arjunak01> yofel_:"apt-cache nautilus" ?
[10:57] <micahg> arjunak01: apt-cache policy nautilus
[10:58] <yofel> *headdes* - just woke up..
[10:58] <yofel> sory, micahg is right
[10:58]  * micahg needs to sleep
[10:58] <arjunak01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/465402/
[11:00] <micahg> arjunak01: Ubuntu doesn't have that version
[11:00] <arjunak01> is it because of nautilus-elementary ppa??
[11:00] <micahg> arjunak01: that's why apport's giving the error
[11:00] <arjunak01> ok i will remove it and try again,thanks
[11:01] <micahg> arjunak01: are you sure the error is in the Ubuntu release version? 2.31 is a development version
[11:02] <arjunak01> as i said i will try it on 2.30
[15:13] <mantiena-baltix> It seems there are some problems with Ubuntu 10.04.1 daily builds - there are no new daily-live images since yesterday, see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/daily-live/	
[15:15] <yofel> mantiena-baltix: for iso testing you should ask in #ubuntu-testing
[15:15] <mantiena-baltix> yofel: thanks
[15:18] <mantiena-baltix> yofel: I told about this issue in #ubuntu-testing, but got no answer :(
[15:19] <mantiena-baltix> Maybe someone can tell me where I should report issue about missing lucid daily-live cdimages?
[15:28] <penguin42> mantiena-baltix: I'd give it another day or 2 - it's quite possible something broke, and I'm sure there is someone who owns that stuff and will spot it, if it doesn't fix itself after a day or two then I'd report it
[15:31] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[15:31] <penguin42> hi
[15:37] <stanley_robertso> hi penguin42
[16:02] <njin> Hy, i've a question, we triage only pidgin-skype bugs or Skype (from Lucid-partner) too ?
[17:52] <stanley_robertso>  hi vish
[18:16] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[18:17] <njin> Hy, i've a question, we triage only pidgin-skype bugs or Skype (from Lucid-partner) too ?
[19:21] <drew212> micahg: bug 606679 looks good now, he has all the symbols and everything installed...
[19:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606679 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox hangs intermittently for no apparent reason. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606679
[19:29] <micahg> drew212: I'm looking to see if I can find something now
[19:37] <micahg> drew212: just replied after reading some upstream bugs
[20:11] <drew212> micahg: in his backtrace , just before he gets Program received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe.
[20:11] <micahg> drew212: right
[20:12] <drew212> oh, i thought you were asking if he got one? I reread your comment and you asked for in terminal without debugging =P
[20:12] <micahg> drew212: correct
[20:13] <drew212> micahg: on a side note, do you know where ddecator is? i havent seen him around in a little while =X
[20:14] <micahg> drew212: somewhere on the other side of the lake :)
[20:14] <drew212> micahg: vaca?
[20:14] <micahg> drew212: home
[20:15] <drew212> micahg: oh, idk where either of you live... lol
[20:18] <WeatherGod> micahg, hi, think you could reset a "triaged" status for me...
[20:19] <WeatherGod> a commenter changed it from triaged to confirmed
[20:19] <micahg> WeatherGod: sure
[20:19] <WeatherGod> bug 501207
[20:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 501207 in brasero (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "sound-juicer, rhythmbox, nautilus crash at audio CD insertion (affects: 13) (dups: 2) (heat: 74)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501207
[20:19] <WeatherGod> thanks
[20:19] <micahg> WeatherGod: done
[20:21] <WeatherGod> also, could someone take a look at bug 496681, we gathered some interesting info
[20:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 496681 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Rhythmbox does not save playlist on iPod (affects: 17) (heat: 98)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496681
[20:21] <WeatherGod> I have been away so I haven't been able to catch up on triaging for a while
[20:21] <drew212> micahg: for bug 140732 if a bug is fixed in a newer release do we mark it fix released like he did, or are you supposed to mark it incomplete, as the unknown fix GM script does?
[20:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 140732 in firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) "Square roots not correctly rendered in MathML (heat: 4)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140732
[20:22] <micahg> drew212: normally invalid if we never confirmed if it was an issue
[20:23] <drew212> micahg: but if something is confirmed as an issue, but it somehow gets fixed in an update then we mark fix released even if it wasn't "being worked on"?
[20:24] <micahg> drew212: yes
[20:24] <drew212> k thanks
[23:50] <trinikrono> hey all!
[23:50] <trinikrono> does anyone triage on sundays :D
[23:50] <micahg> trinikrono: sure
[23:50] <trinikrono> nice can you help with x bugs lol
[23:51] <trinikrono> i remember you working with firefox though
[23:51] <micahg> trinikrono: no :)
[23:51] <micahg> trinikrono: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[23:53] <trinikrono> yea, maybe i might join the x swat team if they treat men nice
[23:54] <trinikrono> when i goto assign bugs i finding a lot of the xorg bugs
[23:57] <trinikrono> hey micahg help me something, when to use the nominate for release link?
[23:57] <micahg> trinikrono: when you need an SRU
[23:59] <trinikrono> so if i want to tag a release i should also affects distribution?
[23:59] <trinikrono> use
[23:59] <micahg> trinikrono: npo
[23:59] <micahg> trinikrono: only if you need an SRU