[00:02] <cjohnston> hmm.. doctormo I guess you fixed it.. lol.. I started again... and searched and it found the project... lemme see if it will download a bug
[00:03] <cjohnston> hmm.. worked fine now.. I give up.. lol
[00:03] <cjohnston> thanks doctormo
[00:03] <cjohnston> gc ftw!
[00:27] <doctormo> cjohnston: It's still probably a bug somewhere, but it'd be really hard to pin down. For now I'm content in knowing that the overhauls and new test suites will do their job in gc 2.0
[00:28] <cjohnston> cool.. sounds good.. thanks
[00:29] <doctormo> np
[04:10] <nigelb> falling sick on sunday = fail :(
[05:34] <doctormo> nigelb: *hug*
[05:35] <nigelb> doctormo: thanks :)
[05:35] <nigelb> I'm hungry and dont feel like eating at the same time :/
[05:36] <doctormo> nigelb: I felt like that last week, perhaps you have a bit of bangalore belly?
[05:36] <nigelb> hehe
[06:43] <doctormo> nigelb: You _do_ get 10 points if you can reference that correctly ;-)
[07:19] <nigelb> doctormo: I did reference it
[07:20] <doctormo> nigelb: Really, ok.
[07:20] <nigelb> ;)
[08:42] <AlanBell> who does wiki.ubuntu.com belong to?
[08:43] <nigelb> meaning?
[08:43] <AlanBell> it is slow and I am wondering if removing fullsearch everywhere and replacing with fullsearchcached would speed it up a bit
[08:44] <AlanBell> there are 621 pages using uncached full searches I think
[08:44] <nigelb> ah, its canonical owned, so opening a ticket would be a good idea
[08:44]  * nigelb thinks popey might know details though
[08:48] <AlanBell> some pages use it so many times they won't even load
[08:51] <nigelb> ouch
[08:51] <AlanBell> I have a feeling that such searches are maxing out the processor for other people too
[08:56] <nigelb> w00t! I just finished writing 3 blog posts :)
[08:56] <nigelb> should hit one by one for the next 2 days :)
[08:57] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/fullsearchpages
[08:59] <nigelb> o.O
[08:59] <nigelb> thats lots of pages
[08:59] <AlanBell> yup. That page contains: <<FullSearchCached(FullSearch)>>
[09:00] <AlanBell> it would take 20 seconds to open if it contained <<FullSearch(FullSearch)>>
[09:14] <czajkowski> morning all
[09:15] <nigelb> morning czajkowski :)
[09:19] <czajkowski> nigelb: hows things
[09:21] <nigelb> czajkowski: fell sick, trying to use the time
[09:22] <czajkowski> :(
[09:23] <czajkowski> go to bed and rest
[09:24] <nigelb> Im in bed writing blog posts
[09:25] <czajkowski> productive at least
[09:25] <czajkowski> I've some to write :( not going to get done today :((
[09:25] <nigelb> yep, 3 down, plotting for more
[09:26] <nigelb> all scheduled to hit in a timely manner over the week :D
[09:26] <czajkowski> *nods*
[09:27] <czajkowski> right best get up and reading
[09:27] <czajkowski> *READY
[09:27] <czajkowski> geeknic to drive to and meet folks
[09:27] <czajkowski> bye
[09:27] <nigelb> have fun, take pics :)
[09:27] <czajkowski> always do :)
[13:35] <sense> good afternoon
[13:36]  * nigelb waves to sense weakly
[13:36] <sense> nigelb: Weakly? How come?
[13:39] <nigelb> fell sick :(
[13:40] <sense> aww
[13:40] <sense> nigelb: Maybe you missed too much sleep? :)
[13:44] <nigelb> dunno, at least I'm planning on getting a good amount today
[13:45] <sense> good plan
[13:45] <nigelb> at least had a productive day in front of the computer
[13:46] <nigelb> wrote 3 blog posts on my new blog all scheduled to git one by one this week
[13:46] <nigelb> and finished some work I had pending, uploading that to staging now :)
[13:48] <sense> It's always nice to get rid of the chores that were nagging you all week.
[13:48] <sense> positive energy! :P
[13:52] <nigelb> oh yes :)
[13:52] <nigelb> though it was extremely tiring to do them when sick
[15:26] <duanedesign> nigelb: hope you get better soon
[15:26] <duanedesign> nigelb: 189 views of the operation cleansweep sticky so far :)
[16:18] <nigelb> duanedesign: wow
[17:29] <nigelb> paultag: http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/language/shoot.htm
[17:29] <nigelb> this one's for you specially ;)
[17:51] <czajkowski> howdy
[17:52] <nigelb> czajkowski: how did the geeknic go?
[17:52] <czajkowski> not bad
[17:52] <czajkowski> 3 new folks came
[17:52] <czajkowski> we got to eat after the rain stopped
[17:52] <czajkowski> nit enough turn ouyt
[17:53] <czajkowski> nice
[17:53] <czajkowski> nigelb: how are you feeling
[17:54] <nigelb> better, thank you :)
[17:54] <czajkowski> good to hear
[18:05] <akgraner> popey, pleia2 ping
[18:06] <akgraner> Can you all take a look at The Fridge calendar - for the 20th - http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar  looks like there is a CC and Asia-Oceania RMB meeting scheduled for the same time in -meeting
[18:07] <czajkowski> bit odd
[18:08] <czajkowski> has the asia rmb changed it's times
[18:08] <popey> must have, the cc doesn't move
[18:09]  * akgraner shrugs  - I was reviewing UWN and noticed it - I thought you all might want a heads up
[18:09] <akgraner> do you all know who from RMB might be awake right now?
[18:09] <czajkowski> persia?
[18:09] <czajkowski> not sure he ever actually sleeps
[18:09] <akgraner> if we can get it resolved I can make the change and make sure the right information goes out
[18:10] <akgraner> czajkowski, okie dokie
[18:12] <czajkowski> akgraner: or elky
[18:12] <czajkowski> they are the only 2 off hand i know of that board
[18:13] <akgraner> yeah - I think she is asleep too
[18:14] <akgraner> just pinged her too
[18:14] <nigelb> czajkowski: persia has been missing lately
[18:14] <nigelb> he's just around for meetings and that's it
[18:15] <akgraner> well we won't publish for a few more hours  - I hope we can get something fixed before then :-)
[18:15] <nigelb> it should be day time for persia soon though, a ping might ellicit response :)
[18:15] <nigelb> popey: all the best in figuring out power consumption
[18:16] <nigelb> We did it at home once.  Culprit - celing fan :/
[18:16] <akgraner> Developer Membership is always in -meeting right?
[18:16] <nigelb> yes
[18:17] <czajkowski> akgraner: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/07/18/profile-of-the-day/
[18:18] <akgraner> czajkowski,  - cool!  I'll include it in the next UWN :-)
[18:19] <czajkowski> danke
[18:35] <czajkowski> great post by sense http://sensehofstede.nl/realise-native-english-speakers-are-privileged
[18:37] <nigelb> jussi can be counted finnish now though
[18:37] <nigelb> the aussies have branded him traitor :p
[18:45] <sense> czajkowski: Thanks!
[18:46] <czajkowski> sense: really good post
[18:46] <czajkowski> sense: what kicked that of?
[18:46] <czajkowski> off
[18:47] <nigelb> czajkowski: we had an extensive conversation earlier today
[18:47] <nigelb> sense: I was looking for qense :D
[18:47] <sense> czajkowski: Discussions in this channel, discussions in my head about contribution in general and about how to get Ubuntu NL involved in the international community.
[18:47] <sense> nigelb: qense has been replaced by sense
[18:47] <nigelb> sense: yes, I forgot.  Even after talking to you earlier and pulling your leg about it.
[18:48] <sense> Learned habits are hard to get rid of.
[18:48] <czajkowski> sense: i do think you need to allow for the fact that many people have no interest in some of the roles you listed also
[18:49] <czajkowski> not everyone wants to have monthly irc meetings and fuller inboxes from other groups that need to be delt with either
[18:49] <sense> czajkowski: Of course, but that can be said of every group.
[18:49] <czajkowski> i do conceed that also people do not about these positions that that they can go for them
[18:50] <nigelb> sense: Have you noticed the "treating like a kid" in the ubuntu community?
[18:50] <nigelb> I've seen people struggle with the language, but most folks have been helpful (at least those that I've seen)
[18:51] <sense> nigelb: I can't really say it for myself because when my English was noticeably worse I actually was a kid, but  I have seen it happening to other people. But you're right that in general the Ubuntu community is a really friendly one. But a lot of the judging of a contribution's v(to a discussion) value happes unconsciously.
[18:52] <sense> czajkowski,: (Assuming "do not _know _about") That contributes indeed. But still, not all English speakers want to do those though roles as well.
[18:52] <czajkowski> sense: true
[18:53] <sense> czajkowski: Unrelated: interesting idea, the 'profile of the day' project. Could be a nice method of showing people what there is to do in the community.
[18:53] <akgraner> sense, great post! - I remember wanting to talk to you more at UDS but I felt like I frustrated you...(and a gazillion other people) but asking if they could repeat something...
[18:53] <czajkowski> i do try to be extra mindful of mails i get from non english speaking people, it can be hard as language and tone come across very different and it can hard to decypher if they are giving out or making a strong point
[18:53] <akgraner> s/but/by
[18:53] <czajkowski> but i err on the making a point :)
[18:54] <nigelb> sense: I tend to miss words in my sentences or type the wrong words, but haven't had anyone treat me as a kid yet (sometimes correct me, yes)
[18:54] <czajkowski> sense: i'd love to see more teams do it
[18:54] <czajkowski> sense: yu're english is very good and i even noticed it even improved during uds
[18:54] <sense> akgraner: Thanks! :) Frustrating me? Awww. I've never felt that way. I found it great to talk to you!
[18:54] <czajkowski> i guess when you are forced into speaking english 24/7 it improves even faster
[18:55] <nigelb> czajkowski: YES, it does
[18:55] <sense> czajkowski: very true, that's what was happening during UDS I think. Thanks for the compliment, so the expensive lessons did pay off!
[18:55] <czajkowski> hell i confuse english speaking folks the whole time :)
[18:55] <akgraner> sense, thanks! People tell me I talk to fast and add my southern accent on top of it - half the people who speak English can't understand me :-)
[18:55] <czajkowski> lol
[18:55] <nigelb> czajkowski: Yes, you do :p
[18:55]  * czajkowski hugs akgraner 
[18:56] <sense> akgraner: I speak really fast as well, so I don't get irritated when others do it too.
[18:56] <sense> :
[18:56] <nigelb> akgraner: nah, there are people faster than you
[18:56] <czajkowski> nigelb: i speak fast and i use abrivations for words
[18:56] <nigelb> czajkowski: I can understand what you say, its their meaning that baffles me somtimes
[18:56] <nigelb> ;)
[18:56] <czajkowski> sorry
[18:56] <czajkowski> do pull me up on it
[18:56] <akgraner> nigelb, that's just b/c I am aware of it and consciously try to slow my words and not be so Southern
[18:57] <sense> akgraner: And it's not that your Southern accent is actually making it harder to understand. Some parts of words are even clearer because of it!
[18:57] <nigelb> akgraner: tbh, after working for 3 years listening to reports, I kinda make sense of american accent very fast
[18:57] <czajkowski> akgraner: dang girl
[18:57] <akgraner> the first time I met Jono, he stopped me about 5 in 5 sentences and said - Amber I'm sorry  - I didn't understand a word you said.  Pete translated :-)
[18:57] <nigelb> LOL
[18:58] <nigelb> I remember jono translating for czajkowski at UDS :D
[18:58] <czajkowski> that fecker takes the mickey outta my accent
[18:58] <sense> :P Poor English speaking people. Always troubles with the accents. :)
[18:58] <czajkowski> curley wurley
[18:58] <nigelb> she said something that made everyone giggle, and jono explained, and we laughed more
[18:58] <czajkowski> sense: it plays havoic with us
[18:58] <akgraner> sense, but it is a great post!  Thank you!
[18:58] <czajkowski> thats our barrier to english at times
[18:58] <sense> akgraner: I'm glad you like it!
[18:58] <sense> czajkowski: And that can of course hinder people as well during conferences.
[18:59] <czajkowski> sense: yup
[18:59] <sense> akgraner: I don't think people found you frustrating at all. Your contributions are great and you work very hard, so I think everyone appreciates you enough to have some patience when you ask something. :)
[18:59] <czajkowski> i was used to akgraner accent before uds but i do find others harder  at times
[19:00] <czajkowski> jfo has a way stronger accednt
[19:00] <czajkowski> and he also takes people off as well so hard at5 times
[19:01] <sense> Slang causes the most problems, especially when people (friends from the same town) are joking. Accents are not the harderst part really.
[19:02] <sense> There is no Google Translate in another tab waiting for you when you're at a conference.
[19:03] <sense> I do use it a lot, for occasions when I can't recall a word or want a better fitting translation. Sometimes it can also be useful when you don't know enough of the spelling of a word to fix it with the spell checker.
[19:06] <czajkowski> sense: i speak english 24/7 and make woeful spelling errors, dont worry :)
[19:06] <czajkowski> sense: do you think  nl team might be interested in the profile of the day exercise?
[19:08] <czajkowski> sense: you on twitter?
[19:08] <akgraner> sense - I made a horrible mistake earlier with UWN, but now I tell people submit stuff in your own language  - and I use google translate and only when I can't figure it out that way do I reach out for someone to translate an article
[19:08] <sense> czajkowski: I have considered it, but I'm not sure. We already have an "Ubuntero of the month" series already and not that many Launchpad profiles (forum profiles could make up for that). It would be a nice way to demonstrate our LoCo what there is to do, though. However, we'd have to find someone to do it, and I don't think I'd be the one considering what I'm already doing. But I'll mention it in the team/on the forums and see if someone
[19:08] <sense> 's interested.
[19:09] <akgraner> but it is still not and easy process and I am sure we miss out on many great things loco teams do b/c of that...
[19:09] <sense> akgraner: How's Google Translate's quality?
[19:09] <akgraner> good enough for me to understand and summarize what a team is talking about 90% of the time
[19:10] <sense> akgraner: That sounds fair enough.
[19:11] <akgraner> but the problem is -  it's so time consuming  for me but I try not to exclude something just b/c it's not in English
[19:12] <sense> akgraner: You'll always miss some of the things the LoCos do of course, but I think that you shouldn't have to trace all the stories yourself. There are so many, and I think that if LoCos want to be read about in the UWN they can at least submit the blog post themselves. For them to do so the UWN needs greater visiblity and more LoCos need to be aware of the existence. That probably depends a lot of the future of the Fridge, but of course
[19:12] <sense>  it also takes time for LoCos to become aware of your existence.
[19:13] <akgraner> yep - next cycle the focus will be the translations part of UWN
[19:14] <akgraner> the News Team Focus I should say  - this cycle it's updated UWN and Fridge
[19:14] <akgraner> but the process is slow but we are getting there
[19:15] <czajkowski> akgraner: like everything it won't happen over night, can take more than one or even two cycles
[19:15] <sense> I'll try to promote the UWN in the Dutch translators group.
[19:15] <akgraner> sense, thanks we have some guidelines for teams who want to translate UWN let me know when/if you want those
[19:15] <sense> akgraner: Will do!
[19:16] <akgraner> but if they don't want to do that  - but just contribute stuff that is awesome too
[19:16] <sense> Any sort of contribution is welcome!
[19:16] <czajkowski> dear spam sod off will you
[19:16] <czajkowski> grrrr
[19:16] <czajkowski> so many spam comments
[19:16] <sense> No Askimet, or doesn't it work?
[19:17] <czajkowski> it does marks them as spm
[19:17] <czajkowski> just a lot lately from russia again
[19:17] <akgraner> sense, yep - with the understanding that not everything people submit will make it in - and some editing might occur
[19:17] <czajkowski> sense: se on twitter #locoteams folks are rt your blog post
[19:17] <sense> akgraner: of course
[19:17] <sense> czajkowski: Yay!
[19:17]  * czajkowski loves the #locteams tag
[19:17] <czajkowski> learing so much about teams
[19:18] <akgraner> sense, I have always add that - I get emails from people who are angry b/c the submitted something and it didn't make it in
[19:18] <sense> akgraner: Good to mention it everytime indeed. Disappointed people are no fun to handle when they get angry.
[19:19] <czajkowski> sense: http://twitter.com/briancleland/status/18856105194
[19:19] <akgraner> sense, yeppers
[19:19] <sense> czajkowski: thanks for your advertising :)
[19:20] <akgraner> sense I emailed Zonker who wrote the more bad english please article a link to your post
[19:20] <sense> akgraner: Thanks. I'm curious what he'll say about it.
[19:20] <sense> czajkowski: Is MUNSTER a football club?
[19:21] <nigelb> sense: Of note, a couple of countries in Asia tend to use English for computing needs.
[19:22] <sense> nigelb: I'm not that familiar with Asia, so that's why I was mostly talking about Europe in the blog post. Is India one of those countries?
[19:22] <nigelb> yep
[19:22] <nigelb> I'd be lost with a computer in an indian language
[19:23] <sense> nigelb: When do you learn English in India? Right from the start, or at school, or during work?
[19:23] <nigelb> School
[19:23] <czajkowski> sense: MUNSTER is a provence
[19:23] <nigelb> We learn english and 2 languages in school
[19:23] <czajkowski> 4 provenses in ireland munster connacht leinster and ulster
[19:23] <nigelb> one of which is mostly hindi and the other one is our mother tongue
[19:23] <czajkowski> off to collect princess
[19:23] <nigelb> princess?
[19:23] <czajkowski> sister
[19:24] <sense> see you!
[19:24] <nigelb> haha
[19:24] <nigelb> czajkowski: back from rome?
[19:24] <sense> nigelb: And your native tongue was, again? :)
[19:24] <sense> I think I've asked it several times before, but forgot. Began with an M, right?
[19:24] <nigelb> sense: malayalam
[19:25] <sense> yay! First letter correct.
[19:25] <nigelb> heh :)
[19:25] <nigelb> so in school I learned english, hindi, and malayalam (but very little of malayalam)
[19:25] <sense> Does your computer support Mayalam input?
[19:25] <AlanBell> czajkowski: four green fields
[19:25] <nigelb> sense: nope, I use enlish for all computing needs
[19:25] <sense> Isn't Ulster Northern Ireland, or am I offending someone now?
[19:26] <nigelb> always did
[19:26] <sense> nigelb: Mayalam is your best language?
[19:26] <sense> What about Hindi? :)
[19:26] <nigelb> sense: English would be first
[19:26] <nigelb> (but thats just me)
[19:27] <sense> Malayalam is just a small language, only 10 million more users than Dutch speakers. :P
[19:27] <nigelb> yep
[19:27] <nigelb> India has a lot of them
[19:28] <AlanBell> sense: yes
[19:28] <sense> So in reality Ireland has got only three provinces?
[19:28] <AlanBell> aaaand moving on . . .
[19:29] <nigelb> heh
[19:29] <sense> A bit like Taiwan (Republic of China), which state structure is designed like it controls whole China, but which actually controls only a relatively small island?
[19:29] <sense> :)
[19:30] <sense> nigelb: Is there a noticeable Malayalam literate culture? We're always so busy with our Dutch literature, but your language is even larger.
[19:31] <nigelb> sense: Yes there is
[19:31] <nigelb> its a pretty big scene back home I suppose
[19:32] <sense> We always see India as one block, but that is just as ridiculous as seeing Europe as one entity of course.
[19:33] <sense> A country cannot have one single culture when it is as big and diverse as India.
[19:35] <nigelb> exactly
[19:36] <nigelb> there is so much of diversity that somone who's not indian cannot even begin to grasp
[19:37] <sense> It's probably even 'worse' than in Europe considering the age and size of your civilisation.
[19:37] <sense> The Indian civilisation is more than twice as old as the European.
[19:37] <sense> Sorry Americans, than the Western.
[19:38] <sense> On the Malayalam wiki page: "In 1999 a group named "Rachana Akshara Vedi", produced a set of free fonts containing the entire character repertoire of more than 900 glyphs. This was announced and released along with a text editor in the same year at Thiruvananthapuram, the capital of Kerala. In 2004, the fonts were released under the GNU GPL license by Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation at the Cochin University of Science and
[19:38] <sense>  Technology in Kochi, Kerala."
[19:38] <nigelb> technicaaly, indus valley and mesopotamia are among the older civilizations
[19:38]  * AlanBell thinks American civilisation would be a good idea
[19:39] <sense> AlanBell: As in separate from the European, or a better name?
[19:39] <sense> or as in 'native American'?
[19:39] <AlanBell> ah, that would be one of those jokes that doesn't work so well without English as a first language
[19:40] <nigelb> heh
[19:40] <sense> AlanBell: as in civilised then?
[19:40] <sense> Yeah, I understand it now.
[19:40] <AlanBell> I was implying that their civilisation has not yet started
[19:40] <AlanBell> or that they are uncivilised
[19:40] <sense> ok
[19:40] <sense> :P
[19:41] <AlanBell> casual anti-americanism from the brits over here
[19:41] <sense> A bit slow here. I should have understood that.
[19:41] <sense> AlanBell: subtle
[19:41] <sense> as always
[19:42] <nigelb> heh
[19:42] <nigelb> its late
[19:42] <nigelb> im heading to bed
[19:42] <sense> ok, sleep well!
[19:43] <nigelb> g'nite sense, AlanBell :)
[19:43] <AlanBell> I think I was actually mis-quoting Ghandi
[19:44] <sense> But of course the British are already civilised! Ahem...
[19:44] <sense> I'll never forget the First, the Second, the Third and the Fourth Anglo-Dutch war!
[19:46] <AlanBell> yeah it was Ghandi talking about western civilisation who said it would be a good idea
[19:48] <sense> The problem is that many Westeners wouldn't see the power of that statement coming from an Indian because they don't know that the Indian civilisation is already much older than the Western.
[20:51] <czajkowski> AlanBell: 4 green fields?
[20:54] <AlanBell> czajkowski: do I know more republican protest songs than you?
[20:58] <czajkowski> prolly
[20:58] <czajkowski> i kknow none
[20:58] <AlanBell> best way
[21:29] <czajkowski> i know rugby songs
[21:29] <czajkowski> much better
[22:07] <sense> I'm off, bye everyone!
[22:09] <czajkowski> he never waits for a reply