| thorwil | hi daker! any news on the morocco loco logo? | 12:41 |
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| daker | well, i'll five an answer in the next few days :) | 12:43 |
| daker | give | 12:43 |
| daker | there is some kind of disagreement about having a new logo | 12:45 |
| thorwil | ok | 12:49 |
| daker | thanks | 12:49 |
| c7p | daker is there a webpage where i can find the manual statistics ? | 21:21 |
| c7p | manual's | 21:21 |
| daker | yes there is but it's buggy | 21:25 |
| daker | 10.04 (en_US) screen => http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8 | 21:25 |
| daker | 10.04 (en_US) print => http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=9 | 21:26 |
| c7p | thx | 21:28 |
| daker | np | 21:28 |
| c7p | Kevin posted before some weeks the results of subscriptions per language, is there anything relevant available now? | 21:31 |
| daker | you should talk to him | 21:31 |
| daker | i don't have the access to the database | 21:32 |
| daker | O_o kevin is not here | 21:32 |
| c7p | ok I will talk to him :) when he is available on channel | 21:34 |
| daker | good | 21:34 |
| Sweet|IRC | hello! everyone! | 21:45 |
| c7p | hi Sweet|IRC | 21:46 |
| Sweet|IRC | hi!, i come here because i need to tell something about the ubuntu manual | 21:46 |
| dutchie | go for it | 21:47 |
| Sweet|IRC | give a sec, i need the google translator :p | 21:48 |
| daker | \o/ | 21:49 |
| c7p | express yourself freely we can probably understand you better than google translator ;) | 21:49 |
| Sweet|IRC | ... | 21:51 |
| Sweet|IRC | here a google tranlated :p: I read a little manual, but something about it bothered me ... tells the story of "Linux" and all that is a fact, to work well in certain hardware and things like that. | 21:51 |
| Sweet|IRC | but, you now about the GNU project and the free software fundation, right? | 21:52 |
| daker | jenkins, c7p do you where i can find an official news feed of ubuntu ? | 21:53 |
| c7p | yap, I think it was intentionally selected as story of the Linux because it was thought that GNU/Linux will confuse new users | 21:54 |
| c7p | daker nope :/ | 21:54 |
| Sweet|IRC | confuse?, .... explain me that please! | 21:55 |
| jenkins | daker: planet.ubuntu.com ? | 21:56 |
| daker | jenkins, nop | 21:56 |
| daker | official | 21:56 |
| vish | daker: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ | 21:57 |
| vish | thats the official one.. ^ | 21:57 |
| daker | yep | 21:57 |
| Sweet|IRC | why do you think a user can get confuse about the history of the linux kernel and the GNU project? | 21:58 |
| daker | i'll show you something vish | 21:58 |
| c7p | Sweet|IRC: i mean the term "GNU/Linux", and the that the GNU is the system and Linux the kernel i suppose. I wasn't in favour of the plain "Linux" term on that part, so if you need more info send an email at ML so the editors can respond to you | 21:58 |
| Sweet|IRC | "ML"?.... | 21:59 |
| c7p | sorry, Mailing List | 21:59 |
| jenkins | Sweet|IRC: We are telling people about linux, which is new to them. Ubuntu is a type of linux, also new to them and gnu is also linux... . It starts to get confusing | 21:59 |
| vish | daker: ... ? | 21:59 |
| jenkins | daker: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/news-and-events | 21:59 |
| * vish needs to sleep soon... | 22:00 | |
| c7p | Sweet|IRC: ubuntu-manual.lists.launchpad.net | 22:00 |
| Sweet|IRC | jenkins: GNU is not Linux (GNUINL?) | 22:00 |
| Sweet|IRC | C7P, thanks! | 22:00 |
| vish | jenkins: thats the canonical one.. , ubuntu uses the fridge for announcements | 22:00 |
| c7p | * manual@lists.launchpad.net | 22:00 |
| Sweet|IRC | do you read free software, free society?, jenkins. | 22:01 |
| c7p | Sweet|IRC: np :) | 22:01 |
| jenkins | Sweet|IRC well three different but related topics can get confusing was basically the why GNU was not mentioned | 22:01 |
| jenkins | nope | 22:01 |
| Sweet|IRC | okey, i got the spanish version | 22:01 |
| Sweet|IRC | i read it all | 22:01 |
| Sweet|IRC | how i say "conciencia"? | 22:01 |
| Sweet|IRC | google.... | 22:02 |
| Sweet|IRC | xD | 22:02 |
| c7p | community ? | 22:02 |
| Sweet|IRC | # conscience | 22:02 |
| Sweet|IRC | :p | 22:02 |
| Sweet|IRC | i got conscience about the term Linux and Gnu/Linux | 22:02 |
| vish | conscious? | 22:02 |
| Sweet|IRC | community is comunidad in spanish | 22:02 |
| c7p | Sweet|IRC: ok sry :D | 22:03 |
| Sweet|IRC | jeje | 22:03 |
| Sweet|IRC | so, | 22:03 |
| Sweet|IRC | the term "Linux" is bad, because the private software makers (aah, bad english) want to "kill" the GNU GPL and the 4 liberties (libertades?) | 22:04 |
| dutchie | freedoms | 22:04 |
| Sweet|IRC | yeah, the 4 freedoms! | 22:04 |
| Sweet|IRC | dutchie, thanks | 22:04 |
| dutchie | no problem | 22:04 |
| Sweet|IRC | and, thats the reason because i am upset (enojado?) about this ubuntu manual | 22:05 |
| Sweet|IRC | i dont think a little history about the free software fundation makes confuse the user | 22:05 |
| Sweet|IRC | and the explication about the Gnu/Linux term is easy, because Linux is the kernel and Gnu is for the OS distro use some programms of the GNU project. easy huh? | 22:07 |
| Sweet|IRC | if the user want to now about what is a Kernel and the GNU can maybe make a appendice(??) | 22:07 |
| Sweet|IRC | ... | 22:08 |
| Sweet|IRC | i need to write to the editors :) | 22:08 |
| jenkins | that makes sense to people who know about it but, you have now mention kernel which goes in to more depth than a user needs to know. that my thought anyway | 22:08 |
| Sweet|IRC | traducing: that my thought anyway | 22:09 |
| Sweet|IRC | ... | 22:09 |
| jenkins | Sweet|IRC: please do send an e-mail to the list, the editors will be able to help | 22:09 |
| Sweet|IRC | ... | 22:09 |
| Sweet|IRC | okey | 22:09 |
| Sweet|IRC | but, if you write: the kernel is the part of a OS who makes important thinks like ... and that is. is hard to understood? | 22:10 |
| Sweet|IRC | but, by the way, thanks to listen.... | 22:11 |
| daker | dutchie, thanks for updating the planet | 22:13 |
| c7p | Actually you can say in a paragraph what's the Linux kernel and the Gnu system, and in the end say that the GNU/Linux operating system is used to be said simply Linux. no big deal. | 22:14 |
| dutchie | daker: no problem | 22:15 |
| c7p | with an image next to that paragraph showing the kernel and GNU together everything is much easier to understand | 22:15 |
| c7p | eg http://www.geekinside.org/drupal/sites/default/files/300px-Linux-kernel.png | 22:16 |
| Sweet|IRC | yeah, good idea, but, i think the term Gnu/Linux debe permanecer (translating this part!....) | 22:16 |
| Sweet|IRC | must remain | 22:17 |
| Sweet|IRC | i think the term Gnu/Linux must remain, for the sake of the survival of the four freedoms | 22:18 |
| c7p | it should but i think this way the confusion between the terms is prevented | 22:20 |
| Sweet|IRC | this will be a large day! xD | 22:21 |
| Sweet|IRC | and, ... if this part is include in the book (manual, sorry ;P) will make the salles get down? | 22:21 |
| c7p | the world talks about linux, in a paragraph, as I said before, that reader can learn that it's Gnu/linux but the term Linux was preserved | 22:21 |
| c7p | it's not the sales :P it's one of the project goals "Keep it simple" | 22:22 |
| Sweet|IRC | yeah, the world talk about linux, because the bigs private software producers (aaah, bad english) want to the people forget the four freedoms | 22:23 |
| Sweet|IRC | ... | 22:23 |
| jenkins | dutchie: I have seen you tweet on native pdf in chromium I have version 6.0.470.0 and there is nothing in the about:plugins page to do with pdfs. The version it was pushed in was 6.0.437.3 . Any suggestions | 22:23 |
| Sweet|IRC | maybe, making the test we can figure out if a reader will get confused | 22:23 |
| dutchie | i'm using chrome | 22:23 |
| dutchie | from the google deb repo | 22:24 |
| jenkins | o well I will wait until it hit chromium no loss here | 22:25 |
| c7p | well somebody hear the word gnu i don't think the first thing that comes to his head is the 4 freedoms | 22:25 |
| Sweet|IRC | thinking about the email, if you are telling me this maybe the editor make the same thing xD | 22:25 |
| Sweet|IRC | xD | 22:25 |
| Sweet|IRC | i know, GNU is a africcan animal xp | 22:25 |
| c7p | yap :P | 22:25 |
| Sweet|IRC | a Ñu in spanish | 22:25 |
| Sweet|IRC | okey, thats a good ones xD | 22:25 |
| c7p | hehe | 22:26 |
| Sweet|IRC | i will write that mail, and write the englsih version of that little history and explication about the GNU for the editors :p | 22:26 |
| jenkins | thanks josh | 22:27 |
| c7p | Sweet|IRC: Have you presented at any of Stallman's talks ? | 22:27 |
| c7p | ok nice | 22:27 |
| Sweet|IRC | no, he comes to costa rica, but, i dont have the money to go to the Capital | 22:28 |
| Sweet|IRC | and hear a talk of Stallman | 22:28 |
| Sweet|IRC | i read the spanish book, how comes with transcriptions of some talks :p | 22:29 |
| daker | vish, still there | 22:30 |
| daker | ? | 22:30 |
| c7p | transcriptions ? | 22:31 |
| Sweet|IRC | yeah, recorded and write later :p | 22:31 |
| Sweet|IRC | come in some chapters of the book | 22:31 |
| Sweet|IRC | very usefull | 22:33 |
| c7p | aha, what distro to you use ? | 22:33 |
| Sweet|IRC | Ubuntu, of curse, but, in the ubuntu pages use the termn linux everywhere and thats make me sad :( | 22:34 |
| c7p | night all | 22:37 |
| jenkins | night c7p | 22:39 |
| Sweet|IRC | well, i am go to, bye and thanks everyone! | 22:40 |
| jenkins | night Sweet|IRC | 22:41 |
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