[12:41] hi daker! any news on the morocco loco logo? [12:43] well, i'll five an answer in the next few days :) [12:43] give [12:45] there is some kind of disagreement about having a new logo [12:49] ok [12:49] thanks [21:21] daker is there a webpage where i can find the manual statistics ? [21:21] manual's [21:25] yes there is but it's buggy [21:25] 10.04 (en_US) screen => http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8 [21:26] 10.04 (en_US) print => http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=9 [21:28] thx [21:28] np [21:31] Kevin posted before some weeks the results of subscriptions per language, is there anything relevant available now? [21:31] you should talk to him [21:32] i don't have the access to the database [21:32] O_o kevin is not here [21:34] ok I will talk to him :) when he is available on channel [21:34] good [21:45] hello! everyone! [21:46] hi Sweet|IRC [21:46] hi!, i come here because i need to tell something about the ubuntu manual [21:47] go for it [21:48] give a sec, i need the google translator :p [21:49] \o/ [21:49] express yourself freely we can probably understand you better than google translator ;) [21:51] ... [21:51] here a google tranlated :p: I read a little manual, but something about it bothered me ... tells the story of "Linux" and all that is a fact, to work well in certain hardware and things like that. [21:52] but, you now about the GNU project and the free software fundation, right? [21:53] jenkins, c7p do you where i can find an official news feed of ubuntu ? [21:54] yap, I think it was intentionally selected as story of the Linux because it was thought that GNU/Linux will confuse new users [21:54] daker nope :/ [21:55] confuse?, .... explain me that please! [21:56] daker: planet.ubuntu.com ? [21:56] jenkins, nop [21:56] official [21:57] daker: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ [21:57] thats the official one.. ^ [21:57] yep [21:58] why do you think a user can get confuse about the history of the linux kernel and the GNU project? [21:58] i'll show you something vish [21:58] Sweet|IRC: i mean the term "GNU/Linux", and the that the GNU is the system and Linux the kernel i suppose. I wasn't in favour of the plain "Linux" term on that part, so if you need more info send an email at ML so the editors can respond to you [21:59] "ML"?.... [21:59] sorry, Mailing List [21:59] Sweet|IRC: We are telling people about linux, which is new to them. Ubuntu is a type of linux, also new to them and gnu is also linux... . It starts to get confusing [21:59] daker: ... ? [21:59] daker: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/news-and-events [22:00] * vish needs to sleep soon... [22:00] Sweet|IRC: ubuntu-manual.lists.launchpad.net [22:00] jenkins: GNU is not Linux (GNUINL?) [22:00] C7P, thanks! [22:00] jenkins: thats the canonical one.. , ubuntu uses the fridge for announcements [22:00] * manual@lists.launchpad.net [22:01] do you read free software, free society?, jenkins. [22:01] Sweet|IRC: np :) [22:01] Sweet|IRC well three different but related topics can get confusing was basically the why GNU was not mentioned [22:01] nope [22:01] okey, i got the spanish version [22:01] i read it all [22:01] how i say "conciencia"? [22:02] google.... [22:02] xD [22:02] community ? [22:02] # conscience [22:02] :p [22:02] i got conscience about the term Linux and Gnu/Linux [22:02] conscious? [22:02] community is comunidad in spanish [22:03] Sweet|IRC: ok sry :D [22:03] jeje [22:03] so, [22:04] the term "Linux" is bad, because the private software makers (aah, bad english) want to "kill" the GNU GPL and the 4 liberties (libertades?) [22:04] freedoms [22:04] yeah, the 4 freedoms! [22:04] dutchie, thanks [22:04] no problem [22:05] and, thats the reason because i am upset (enojado?) about this ubuntu manual [22:05] i dont think a little history about the free software fundation makes confuse the user [22:07] and the explication about the Gnu/Linux term is easy, because Linux is the kernel and Gnu is for the OS distro use some programms of the GNU project. easy huh? [22:07] if the user want to now about what is a Kernel and the GNU can maybe make a appendice(??) [22:08] ... [22:08] i need to write to the editors :) [22:08] that makes sense to people who know about it but, you have now mention kernel which goes in to more depth than a user needs to know. that my thought anyway [22:09] traducing: that my thought anyway [22:09] ... [22:09] Sweet|IRC: please do send an e-mail to the list, the editors will be able to help [22:09] ... [22:09] okey [22:10] but, if you write: the kernel is the part of a OS who makes important thinks like ... and that is. is hard to understood? [22:11] but, by the way, thanks to listen.... [22:13] dutchie, thanks for updating the planet [22:14] Actually you can say in a paragraph what's the Linux kernel and the Gnu system, and in the end say that the GNU/Linux operating system is used to be said simply Linux. no big deal. [22:15] daker: no problem [22:15] with an image next to that paragraph showing the kernel and GNU together everything is much easier to understand [22:16] eg http://www.geekinside.org/drupal/sites/default/files/300px-Linux-kernel.png [22:16] yeah, good idea, but, i think the term Gnu/Linux debe permanecer (translating this part!....) [22:17] must remain [22:18] i think the term Gnu/Linux must remain, for the sake of the survival of the four freedoms [22:20] it should but i think this way the confusion between the terms is prevented [22:21] this will be a large day! xD [22:21] and, ... if this part is include in the book (manual, sorry ;P) will make the salles get down? [22:21] the world talks about linux, in a paragraph, as I said before, that reader can learn that it's Gnu/linux but the term Linux was preserved [22:22] it's not the sales :P it's one of the project goals "Keep it simple" [22:23] yeah, the world talk about linux, because the bigs private software producers (aaah, bad english) want to the people forget the four freedoms [22:23] ... [22:23] dutchie: I have seen you tweet on native pdf in chromium I have version 6.0.470.0 and there is nothing in the about:plugins page to do with pdfs. The version it was pushed in was 6.0.437.3 . Any suggestions [22:23] maybe, making the test we can figure out if a reader will get confused [22:23] i'm using chrome [22:24] from the google deb repo [22:25] o well I will wait until it hit chromium no loss here [22:25] well somebody hear the word gnu i don't think the first thing that comes to his head is the 4 freedoms [22:25] thinking about the email, if you are telling me this maybe the editor make the same thing xD [22:25] xD [22:25] i know, GNU is a africcan animal xp [22:25] yap :P [22:25] a Ñu in spanish [22:25] okey, thats a good ones xD [22:26] hehe [22:26] i will write that mail, and write the englsih version of that little history and explication about the GNU for the editors :p [22:27] thanks josh [22:27] Sweet|IRC: Have you presented at any of Stallman's talks ? [22:27] ok nice [22:28] no, he comes to costa rica, but, i dont have the money to go to the Capital [22:28] and hear a talk of Stallman [22:29] i read the spanish book, how comes with transcriptions of some talks :p [22:30] vish, still there [22:30] ? [22:31] transcriptions ? [22:31] yeah, recorded and write later :p [22:31] come in some chapters of the book [22:33] very usefull [22:33] aha, what distro to you use ? [22:34] Ubuntu, of curse, but, in the ubuntu pages use the termn linux everywhere and thats make me sad :( [22:37] night all [22:39] night c7p [22:40] well, i am go to, bye and thanks everyone! [22:41] night Sweet|IRC