[12:41] <thorwil> hi daker! any news on the morocco loco logo?
[12:43] <daker> well, i'll five an answer in the next few days :)
[12:43] <daker> give
[12:45] <daker> there is some kind of disagreement about having a new logo
[12:49] <thorwil> ok
[12:49] <daker> thanks
[21:21] <c7p> daker is there a webpage where i can find the manual statistics ?
[21:21] <c7p> manual's
[21:25] <daker> yes there is but it's buggy
[21:25] <daker> 10.04 (en_US) screen => http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8
[21:26] <daker> 10.04 (en_US) print => http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=9
[21:28] <c7p> thx
[21:28] <daker> np
[21:31] <c7p> Kevin posted before some weeks the results of subscriptions per language, is there anything relevant available now?    
[21:31] <daker> you should talk to him
[21:32] <daker> i don't have the access to the database
[21:32] <daker> O_o kevin is not here
[21:34] <c7p> ok I will talk to him :) when he is available on channel
[21:34] <daker> good
[21:45] <Sweet|IRC> hello! everyone!
[21:46] <c7p> hi Sweet|IRC
[21:46] <Sweet|IRC> hi!, i come here because i need to tell something about the ubuntu manual
[21:47] <dutchie> go for it
[21:48] <Sweet|IRC> give a sec, i need the google translator :p
[21:49] <daker> \o/
[21:49] <c7p> express yourself freely we can probably understand you better than google translator ;)
[21:51] <Sweet|IRC> ...
[21:51] <Sweet|IRC> here a google tranlated :p: I read a little manual, but something about it bothered me ... tells the story of "Linux" and all that is a fact, to work well in certain hardware and things like that.
[21:52] <Sweet|IRC> but, you now about the GNU project and the free software fundation, right?
[21:53] <daker> jenkins, c7p do you where i can find an official news feed of ubuntu ?
[21:54] <c7p> yap, I think it was intentionally selected as story of the Linux because it was thought that GNU/Linux will confuse new users
[21:54] <c7p> daker nope :/
[21:55] <Sweet|IRC> confuse?, .... explain me that please!
[21:56] <jenkins> daker: planet.ubuntu.com ?
[21:56] <daker> jenkins, nop
[21:56] <daker> official
[21:57] <vish> daker: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/
[21:57] <vish> thats the official one.. ^
[21:57] <daker> yep
[21:58] <Sweet|IRC> why do you think a user can get confuse about the history of the linux kernel and the GNU project?
[21:58] <daker> i'll show you something vish
[21:58] <c7p> Sweet|IRC: i mean the term "GNU/Linux", and the that the GNU is the system and Linux the kernel i suppose. I wasn't in favour of the plain "Linux" term on that part, so if you need more info send an email at ML so the editors can respond to you
[21:59] <Sweet|IRC> "ML"?....
[21:59] <c7p> sorry, Mailing List
[21:59] <jenkins> Sweet|IRC: We are telling people about linux, which is new to them. Ubuntu is a type of linux, also new to them and gnu is also linux... . It starts to get confusing
[21:59] <vish> daker: ... ?
[21:59] <jenkins> daker: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/news-and-events
[22:00]  * vish needs to sleep soon...
[22:00] <c7p> Sweet|IRC: ubuntu-manual.lists.launchpad.net
[22:00] <Sweet|IRC> jenkins: GNU is not Linux (GNUINL?)
[22:00] <Sweet|IRC> C7P, thanks!
[22:00] <vish> jenkins: thats the canonical one.. , ubuntu uses the fridge for announcements
[22:00] <c7p> * manual@lists.launchpad.net
[22:01] <Sweet|IRC> do you read free software, free society?, jenkins.
[22:01] <c7p> Sweet|IRC: np :)
[22:01] <jenkins>  Sweet|IRC well three different but related topics can get confusing was basically the why GNU was not mentioned
[22:01] <jenkins> nope
[22:01] <Sweet|IRC> okey, i got the spanish version
[22:01] <Sweet|IRC> i read it all
[22:01] <Sweet|IRC> how i say "conciencia"?
[22:02] <Sweet|IRC> google....
[22:02] <Sweet|IRC> xD
[22:02] <c7p> community ?
[22:02] <Sweet|IRC> # conscience
[22:02] <Sweet|IRC> :p
[22:02] <Sweet|IRC> i got conscience about the term Linux and Gnu/Linux
[22:02] <vish> conscious?
[22:02] <Sweet|IRC> community is comunidad in spanish
[22:03] <c7p> Sweet|IRC: ok sry :D
[22:03] <Sweet|IRC> jeje
[22:03] <Sweet|IRC> so,
[22:04] <Sweet|IRC> the term "Linux" is bad, because the private software makers (aah, bad english) want to "kill" the GNU GPL and the 4 liberties (libertades?)
[22:04] <dutchie> freedoms
[22:04] <Sweet|IRC> yeah, the 4 freedoms!
[22:04] <Sweet|IRC> dutchie, thanks
[22:04] <dutchie> no problem
[22:05] <Sweet|IRC> and, thats the reason because i am upset (enojado?) about this ubuntu manual
[22:05] <Sweet|IRC> i dont think a little history about the free software fundation makes confuse the user
[22:07] <Sweet|IRC> and the explication about the Gnu/Linux term is easy, because Linux is the kernel and Gnu is for the OS distro use some programms of the GNU project. easy huh?
[22:07] <Sweet|IRC> if the user want to now about what is a Kernel and the GNU can maybe make a appendice(??)
[22:08] <Sweet|IRC> ...
[22:08] <Sweet|IRC> i need to write to the editors :)
[22:08] <jenkins> that makes sense to people who know about it but, you have now mention kernel which goes in to more depth than a user needs to know. that my thought anyway
[22:09] <Sweet|IRC> traducing: that my thought anyway
[22:09] <Sweet|IRC> ...
[22:09] <jenkins> Sweet|IRC: please do send an e-mail to the list, the editors will be able to help
[22:09] <Sweet|IRC> ...
[22:09] <Sweet|IRC> okey
[22:10] <Sweet|IRC> but, if you write: the kernel is the part of a OS who makes important thinks like ... and that is. is hard to understood?
[22:11] <Sweet|IRC> but, by the way, thanks to listen....
[22:13] <daker> dutchie, thanks for updating the planet
[22:14] <c7p> Actually you can say in a paragraph what's the Linux kernel and the Gnu system, and in the end say that the GNU/Linux operating system is used to be said simply Linux. no big deal.
[22:15] <dutchie> daker: no problem
[22:15] <c7p> with an image next to that paragraph showing the kernel and GNU together everything is much easier to understand
[22:16] <c7p> eg http://www.geekinside.org/drupal/sites/default/files/300px-Linux-kernel.png
[22:16] <Sweet|IRC> yeah, good idea, but, i think the term Gnu/Linux debe permanecer (translating this part!....)
[22:17] <Sweet|IRC> must remain
[22:18] <Sweet|IRC> i think the term Gnu/Linux must remain, for the sake of the survival of the four freedoms
[22:20] <c7p> it should but i think this way the confusion between the terms is prevented
[22:21] <Sweet|IRC> this will be a large day! xD
[22:21] <Sweet|IRC> and, ... if this part is include in the book (manual, sorry ;P) will make the salles get down?
[22:21] <c7p> the world talks about linux, in a paragraph, as I said before, that reader can learn that it's Gnu/linux but the term Linux was preserved
[22:22] <c7p> it's not the sales :P it's one of the project goals "Keep it simple"
[22:23] <Sweet|IRC> yeah, the world talk about linux, because the bigs private software producers (aaah, bad english) want to the people forget the four freedoms
[22:23] <Sweet|IRC> ...
[22:23] <jenkins> dutchie: I have seen you tweet on native pdf in chromium I have version 6.0.470.0  and there is nothing in the about:plugins page to do with pdfs. The version it was pushed in was  6.0.437.3 . Any suggestions
[22:23] <Sweet|IRC> maybe, making the test we can figure out if a reader will get confused
[22:23] <dutchie> i'm using  chrome
[22:24] <dutchie> from the google deb repo
[22:25] <jenkins> o well I will wait until it hit chromium no loss here
[22:25] <c7p> well somebody hear the word gnu i don't think the first thing that comes to his head is the 4 freedoms
[22:25] <Sweet|IRC> thinking about the email, if you are telling me this maybe the editor make the same thing xD
[22:25] <Sweet|IRC> xD
[22:25] <Sweet|IRC> i know, GNU is a africcan animal xp
[22:25] <c7p> yap :P
[22:25] <Sweet|IRC> a Ñu in spanish
[22:25] <Sweet|IRC> okey, thats a good ones xD
[22:26] <c7p> hehe
[22:26] <Sweet|IRC> i will write that mail, and write the englsih version of that little history and explication about the GNU for the editors :p
[22:27] <jenkins> thanks josh
[22:27] <c7p> Sweet|IRC: Have you presented at any of Stallman's talks ?
[22:27] <c7p> ok nice
[22:28] <Sweet|IRC> no, he comes to costa rica, but, i dont have the money to go to the Capital
[22:28] <Sweet|IRC> and hear a talk of Stallman
[22:29] <Sweet|IRC> i read the spanish book, how comes with transcriptions of some talks :p
[22:30] <daker> vish, still there
[22:30] <daker> ?
[22:31] <c7p> transcriptions ?
[22:31] <Sweet|IRC> yeah, recorded and write later :p
[22:31] <Sweet|IRC> come in some chapters of the book
[22:33] <Sweet|IRC> very usefull
[22:33] <c7p> aha, what distro to you use ?
[22:34] <Sweet|IRC> Ubuntu, of curse, but, in the ubuntu pages use the termn linux everywhere and thats make me sad :(
[22:37] <c7p> night all
[22:39] <jenkins> night c7p
[22:40] <Sweet|IRC> well, i am go to, bye and thanks everyone!
[22:41] <jenkins> night Sweet|IRC