[05:06] <holstein> akgraner: ping?
[05:07] <akgraner> pong
[05:07] <akgraner> what's up?
[05:07] <holstein> :)
[05:07] <holstein> i got my section up to date
[05:07] <holstein> 'in other news'
[05:07] <holstein> i have a busy day tomorrow though
[05:07] <akgraner> thank you!
[05:07] <holstein> if there is more
[05:07] <holstein> i could do it in the AM
[05:08] <holstein> akgraner: i did it on the etherpad
[05:08] <akgraner> ok - i'm going to sleep for a couple hours then work on it...
[05:08] <akgraner> holstein, thanks
[05:08] <holstein> i'll try and take a peek at it before i take off tomorrow
[05:09] <akgraner> thank you!
[05:09] <holstein> see if there is anything added
[05:09] <holstein> :)
[05:09] <holstein> akgraner: sleep well
[05:10] <akgraner> :-)  catch you in the am...
[05:10] <holstein> thats a musician AM
[05:10] <holstein> like 10 or so ;)
[05:11] <akgraner> hehe - Becca says the same thing!
[05:11] <holstein> :)
[08:14] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: I just discovered something pretty interesting that we could use to cover more Ubuntu news and focus our energy more on community work and less on press  - type news.  You might like this since you're probably already inclined in that direction anyway.
[08:17] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: Its a web site devoted to Ubuntu news that has an rss feed.  So my idea is that we could use the rss feed within the newsletter, and then we'd just scour sources and the community for things that the rss feed would miss, like stories about locos and community events and community personalities and such.
[08:24] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: so the web site is http://www.ubuntu-news.net/ and it has several different rss feeds that separate things into different categories, much like you do in the newsletter.  This could be very handy!
[08:29] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: even if you chose not to just use their feeds straight into the newsletter, (which i think could be pretty workable since their selections seem pretty compatible with yours), you could at least utilize them internally as a steady stream of items that are coming to you (w/o effort on your part) and use them as a starting point from which you could choose items.
[08:31] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: it doesn't even require search effort on the team's part.  Rather what the challenge for us would be to find things NOT covered by those feeds, like the community-oriented things i mentioned above.
[15:44] <Pendulum> akgraner: what was on the google doc for ITB is done. I'm only semi-around today, but feel free to poke me (here or by phone) if you need anything more as I should be able to get to a computer anytime before about 4
[16:06] <holstein> MichealH: https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[16:06] <MichealH> Thanks
[16:06] <holstein> :)
[16:07] <MichealH> :D
[16:27] <holstein> MichealH: you having trouble with ietherpad?
[16:28] <akgraner> Good Morning everyone! :-)
[16:28] <akgraner> Pendulum, thanks!
[16:28] <holstein> hey akgraner
[16:29] <holstein> im about to head out for the day
[16:29] <holstein> akgraner: i moved my 6 articles over to the WIKI
[16:29] <akgraner> nUboo2Age - that isn't the only site to do that based on the newsletter and the fridge - there are at least 3 others - but the fridge is moving in that direction  thanks for all your suggestions though
[16:30] <akgraner> holstein, thank you!  I am looking at the wiki now :-)
[16:33] <akgraner> oh how sad - there are no new brainstorm ideas this week - johnc4510 when was the last time we didn't have brainstorm ideas in the newsletter - wow
[16:34] <akgraner> well in the popular ideas portion - I am know there are ideas in the sandbox  :-/
[16:49] <akgraner> hey inter
[16:49] <akgraner> auto tab fail there
[16:49] <akgraner> hey internalkernel!
[16:50] <internalkernel> lol... hiya akgraner
[16:56] <MichealH> holstein: Why you ask?
[16:57] <holstein> MichealH: yeah, i should have been more clear, sorry
[16:57] <holstein> it seems down
[16:57] <holstein> wont load
[16:57] <akgraner> MichealH, he asked b/c http://ietherpad.com/UWN won't load atm
[16:58] <akgraner> he was checking to see if it was him or if everyone was having that trouble :-)
[16:59] <holstein> well, later all
[16:59] <holstein> good luck with the letters and pads :)
[16:59] <scott_ev> mornin
[17:04] <akgraner> holstein, have fun! Thanks!
[17:04] <akgraner> scott_ev, hey! how are you today?
[17:11] <scott_ev> akgraner: OK< working on my section
[17:11] <akgraner> ok thanks!
[17:12] <akgraner> Riddell, ping  - since you are in the Channel :-)   is there any Kubuntu News this week?
[17:12] <Riddell> akgraner: depends when the week is, me and Aurelien and NCommander went to akademy last week
[17:13] <Riddell> Aurelien won an award
[17:13] <Riddell> NCommander spoke about ARM
[17:13] <akgraner> yeah I think those were last issue
[17:13] <akgraner> anything between the 11-17th that got posted :-)
[17:14] <Riddell> we switched video player from dragon to kaffeine as an experiment
[17:15] <akgraner> Riddell, do you have a link or is that on a mailing list?
[17:16] <Riddell> Koffice 2.2.1 got into maverick and lucid backportss
[17:16] <Riddell> Koffice 2.2.1 got into maverick and lucid back~z
[17:17] <akgraner> That's from this on the Kubuntu site right?  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2.2.1
[17:19] <Riddell> yes
[17:21] <Riddell> only link for kaffeine is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.maverick/revision/960
[17:21] <Riddell> while you're at it you may as well add that plasma global menu also got on the CD http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.maverick/revision/961
[17:24] <akgraner> Thanks let me see if I can write a good "Kubuntu News this week" paragraph and link to all that - Since I am not active in the Kubuntu community - I am not sure what the hot topics are?  so thanks!
[17:26] <akgraner> Riddell, thanks!
[17:27] <akgraner> MichealH, do you feel comfortable with writing the planet summaries?
[17:28] <akgraner> and if so are you working on those now?  I think highvoltage was moving this weekend..or at least I think that's what he mentioned on Friday during Dev Week
[17:28] <akgraner> internalkernel, are you working on the in the press stuff?
[17:30] <MichealH> akgraner: Yes I just need to find a intresting article
[17:30] <MichealH> I am now gaming
[17:31] <akgraner> MichealH, the links are listed in the wiki
[17:32] <akgraner> you don't need to find an article this week :-)  Just need you to read the links that are there and summarize them in the "The Planet" section
[17:33] <akgraner> they are both listed on the googledoc, the etherpad, and the wiki  :-)
[17:34] <akgraner> The ones on the eitherpad are crossed out b/c I moved the to the wiki that's all
[17:38] <internalkernel> akgraner: I will be, at least I'll see what I can find... lol... I haven't seen anything come up this week yet.
[17:38] <akgraner> MichealH, does that make sense to ya
[17:38] <akgraner> internalkernel, look at - http://ietherpad.com/UWN-Ideas
[17:38] <internalkernel> I was thinking about putting up a couple links about remnux and maybe pentest - two security distros absed on ubuntu
[17:39] <akgraner> I was going to pull a few from there and I also added a link earlier this week
[17:39] <internalkernel> works for me, remnux is in there too...
[17:39] <akgraner> the remnus and pentest  would go into ION though
[17:39] <internalkernel> kill the first one - ubuntu X server - we posted that one a week or two ago...
[17:40] <akgraner> the ones below the the line on the ideas page are the ones I have already read
[17:40] <akgraner> I don't want us more ION stories that we do the other sections
[17:40]  * internalkernel nods
[17:41] <akgraner> which is why I haven't added more yet - but take a read through all of the ones on that page and see what you come up with if you don't mind..
[17:42] <internalkernel> Im sure I can pull a few out for In the Press - I saw a couple already... I still have yet to check my feeds today as well...
[17:42] <akgraner> ok thanks!
[17:49] <scott_ev> akgraner: I'm done
[17:49] <scott_ev> it's in the wiki
[17:49] <akgraner> scott_ev, Thanks!!!
[17:50] <scott_ev> np, thanks for the opportunity
[17:51] <akgraner> scott_ev, can you check the formatting I think you have a space in front of the [17:51] <nigelb> anything for loco news?
[17:52] <akgraner> nigelb, I have that in already...
[17:53] <nigelb> the doc seems empty
[17:53] <akgraner> but if you have time and what to - touch base with MichealH and maybe you could help write those summaries
[17:53] <nigelb> I'm just opening up the etherpad
[17:53] <akgraner> nigelb, it is empty  - I added them to the wiki already ;-)
[17:53] <nigelb> ahhh
[17:53] <nigelb> gah
[17:53] <akgraner> if the googledoc and the etherpad are empty always look at the wiki :-)
[17:56] <akgraner> scott_ev, I got it - there were too many spaces between the == line and the [17:57] <scott_ev> yeah, now I have a version conflict
[17:59] <akgraner> it didn't tell me you were in there?
[17:59] <nigelb> MichealH: I'm writing a few summaries in the doc.  take a look when you get back
[17:59] <akgraner> when you logged into the wiki - did it tell you I was in it at the top?
[18:00] <akgraner> nigelb, thank you!
[18:00] <nigelb> akgraner: no problem :)
[18:00] <akgraner> scott_ev, did you just cancel out of your's
[18:00] <akgraner> yours
[18:01] <scott_ev> hold a sec
[18:01] <scott_ev> I think I got it fixed
[18:02] <akgraner> I had it fixed and saved???  unless you were fixing something else
[18:03] <akgraner> no worries
[18:03] <akgraner> The conflict error johnc4510 and I had one time effect almost the whole wiki
[18:04] <akgraner> so that's no big deal :-)
[18:06] <scott_ev> look now
[18:07] <scott_ev> all fixed
[18:07] <akgraner> Thanks! :-D
[18:07] <scott_ev> np
[18:20] <nigelb> I've finished all but 2 links in the planet section.
[18:20] <nigelb> One of them I dunno what to write and the other one I can't do justice
[18:20] <nigelb> ;)
[18:21] <akgraner> I'll look
[18:25] <akgraner> ok look at the google doc now
[18:25] <akgraner> nigelb, often for some things our summaries are longer than the post :-)
[18:27] <nigelb> akgraner: ahh
[18:27] <akgraner> Does what I wrote make sense to you after having seen the post?
[18:27] <nigelb> And, I can't do justice to penny's post, its so nice to cut any part
[18:28] <akgraner> yep  - it will go into the GCN in full unless the newsletter is just too long but that is my goal atm for that article - I should have pulled it from "The Planet" earlier  - sorry about that
[18:29] <akgraner> hey nigelb how much longer will you be online?
[18:29] <akgraner> If you have a minute I'd like to ask a favor :-)
[18:30] <akgraner> I created the new loco-calendar to be added to the fridge - but we have held off adding it to the fridge until the "HOWTO" for adding to it is complete
[18:30] <nigelb> Its close to 11 pm, I'm thinking of tucking in.
[18:30] <akgraner> nigelb, that's cool - just thought I would ask!
[18:30] <akgraner> :-P
[18:31] <nigelb> I can do it first thing in the morning though :)
[18:31] <akgraner> sweet - thanks let me get you the information!
[18:32] <akgraner> nigelb, modify these instructions  - so instead of the fridge calendar it's for the LoCo Events Calendar  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar
[18:33] <akgraner> nigelb, here is the page you need to add it to - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/LoCoCalendar
[18:33] <nigelb> and where do you want me to add it?
[18:33] <nigelb> awesome,will do
[18:33]  * nigelb saves to text file
[18:33] <akgraner> thanks!  so much!
[18:34] <akgraner> once you get it done can you ask a few people to add to it to make sure it works - let me get you the link to it as it's not public yet
[18:34] <akgraner> well it is if you know the link but I haven't sent the word out to the world yet about it
[18:36] <akgraner> http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=cnkg44crsf9qpnr918snkaidf8%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/New_York
[18:43] <scott_ev> akgraner: do you have a sec to go to https://sgwin.ath.cx and see if it takes you to a flash login?
[18:43] <scott_ev> well, ajax...
[18:47] <akgraner> scott_ev, I get a security warning  - The site's security certificate is not trusted!
[18:47] <scott_ev> understood
[18:47] <scott_ev> trust it; it's my NAS
[18:48] <scott_ev> akgraner: trust it, get the certificate and see if it takes you to the ajax login, please
[18:49] <akgraner> no login - takes me to - https://sgwin.ath.cx/index.php
[18:49] <scott_ev> yeah, 3 bubbles popup?
[18:49] <akgraner> DOH - if you click the bubbles you get a login
[18:49] <scott_ev> thanks
[18:49] <scott_ev> that's all I need
[19:22] <akgraner> Good Grief it is storming here ..
[19:23] <scott_ev> nice
[19:23] <akgraner> it is as long is it doesn't take out the wifi tower on the mountain again
[19:45] <scott_ev> ah
[19:45] <scott_ev> no doubt
[20:29] <Pendulum> akgraner: is it upping your humidity or lowering it?
[20:38] <internalkernel> I dont know about akgraner's humidity, but it feels like I'm in a swimming pool over here...
[20:38] <internalkernel> akgraner: I finished In The Press on the Gdoc - you can copy and past that into the wiki...
[20:39] <internalkernel> The last post - This Week in Design, maybe should be in a different section... I'll let you decide, and add another link from the peanut gallery...
[20:42] <Pendulum> internalkernel: yeah, it's like that here
[21:03] <akgraner> internalkernel, yep humidity is awful here as well!
[21:03] <akgraner> I'll move the stuff over as well ;-)
[21:03] <internalkernel> I'm weating scuba gear...
[21:04] <internalkernel> wearing even
[21:04] <akgraner> yeah I know what you mean
[21:04] <internalkernel> yeah, let me know when you get to editing - I have to pay attention to my daughter for a bit...
[21:04] <akgraner> internalkernel, you do what you need to :-)  she is cuter anyway than the newsletter!
[21:30] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: I'm just returning and wondered did you see my  (above) irc post(s)?
[21:30] <akgraner> I did
[21:30] <akgraner> did you see my reply?
[21:31] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: no let me look again...
[21:32] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: let me check the log...
[21:32] <akgraner> nUboo2Age - that isn't the only site to do that based on the newsletter and the fridge - there are at least 3 others - but the fridge is moving in that direction  thanks for all your suggestions though
[21:34] <akgraner> we are a trusted source of information and each article is read and in the cases of tutorials and howto's the steps are verified when possible
[21:35] <akgraner> so we don't want to do anything that would make it seem like we aren't checking all of our information
[21:35] <akgraner> it's much more than just posting links
[21:35] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: it doesn't look like that one is based on the fridge because the items are hot off the press (and if they were based on the newsletter/fridge they'd be a week behind).
[21:36] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, it's not exactly what the fridge is now
[21:37] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i'm not clear on what you mean.  i looked at the fridge and maybe i don't know where to look, but i only see the newsletter and other similar items, no brand new news feeds.
[21:37] <akgraner> The Fridge is for current stuff
[21:38] <akgraner> UWN is a snap shot in time of the community
[21:38] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, you won't see all that yet b/c the new fridge isn't up yet  - but that is the direction it is going
[21:39] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: so does that mean that part of the function of the newsletter will go away or at least morph?
[21:39] <akgraner> no the newsletter will still be a snapshot in time of the events of the last week
[21:40] <akgraner> but there are new formats coming out that the News Team will review then they will go to the wider community to review
[21:41] <akgraner> people rely on UWN to be a review of the last week  - they know that if they have been really busy  and not had a chance to follow the planet or their RSS feeds they will get all the highlight from UWN
[21:41] <akgraner> or even mailing lists
[21:42] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: so i think my idea still stand up.  i mentioned that even if it wasn't used as a direct news feed, it could still be a place that we checked first for content, pulled anything we liked, and then we know what NOT to spend time looking for.  ie if its on that feed we know that someone (you or someone you designate) will snag it, so anything we look for should NOT be in the feed.
[21:42] <akgraner> I get all those feeds as it is not
[21:42] <akgraner> now
[21:42] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: also they include a summary that is useful.
[21:43] <akgraner> I don't spend a ton of time looking for information anymore - my time is spent writing the summaries - the most time I look for information is for loco news and stuff
[21:43] <akgraner> and publishing the newsletter once it's readt
[21:43] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i'm not sure if you're saying you get the raw feeds that they are using to cull from/deriving from or you are using their feeds
[21:43] <akgraner> ready
[21:44] <akgraner> no I get the feeds they are using
[21:44] <akgraner> I look at well over 100 feeds per day
[21:44] <akgraner> plus all the Ubuntu mailing lists
[21:45] <akgraner> but there are days I get busy and I don't have time to snag them all
[21:45] <akgraner> plus we can't put everything in the newsletter
[21:45] <akgraner> we already get his about it being too big
[21:45] <akgraner> hence the change in format that is coming out
[21:45] <akgraner> for both the Fridge and UWN
[21:45] <akgraner> hit not his
[21:48] <akgraner> once they are familiar and comfortable with their section  - and know where to look is responsible for content for their section
[21:48] <akgraner> the goal is to make sure that everyone who wants to know how can rotate through all the sections at some point
[21:49] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i am impressed with the refined quality of the items they are pulling out of all the multitudinous streams and republishing. it looks to me their refinement method is very, very similar to what you look for. i can say that they are certainly matching what i'm able to find 'manually' (although they might have just a very few more items than i might pick.  a very few, not many) .  it seems to me that using it
[21:49] <nUboon2Age> as a 'look here first and then look for stuff NOT here' is a *very* effective, quick way to zero in on just the important items from the firehose.
[21:50] <akgraner> nUboon2Age - we can discuss this later I need to finish getting issue 202 out
[21:50] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: firehose or gushing stream that all those feeds can be
[21:50] <akgraner> there is nothing stopping anyone from using it gather articles for their sections if they want to
[21:51] <akgraner> but we will always link back to the original source not a feed on another site
[21:51] <holstein> hey akgraner
[21:52] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: absolutely i would always get the original link, but it sure makes finding them hugely, hugely, hugely easier/quicker.
[21:52] <akgraner> hey holstein
[21:52] <holstein> i got some time if you need something :)
[21:52] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: so thank you for listing and i hope you'll kick it around some more. :_
[21:52] <nUboon2Age> :)
[21:52] <akgraner> nUboon2Age, I appreciate all the links you are finding  - why don't you focus on one section so in other news
[21:52] <nUboon2Age> listening
[21:52] <akgraner> and help find those links and write the summaries
[21:53] <akgraner> but with the understanding not all the links will be used
[21:53] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: frankly while i've looked at the google doc page, but i'm still unclear as to the differences between the sections.
[21:54] <akgraner> did you read the wiki links I posted about the sectiosn
[21:54] <akgraner> sections
[21:54] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i thought so, but maybe i missed something
[21:54] <akgraner> ok  - I'll go back over it later
[21:54] <akgraner> I need to finish this right now
[21:54] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: thanks. :)
[21:56] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: also i should say i want to read more summaries and get a better feel for them before i would think about trying to write them.
[22:57] <nUboon2Age> akgraner: i just found this, which might have been the page you were referring to and it helped clarify some...  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Ideas
[22:59] <akgraner> there is that but I was referring more to  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/SectionGuidelines