[00:00] <micahg> trinikrono: not everything that affects a release will be SRUd
[00:00] <trinikrono> but i can nominate it anyways?
[00:00] <trinikrono> if i believe that it should be
[00:00] <micahg> trinikrono: yes
[00:00] <trinikrono> okie
[00:00] <trinikrono> thanks!
[00:50] <trinikrono> hey are you guys going to update the 5-a-day wikipage also?
[01:09] <yofel> trinikrono: what part of it needs updating?
[01:10] <trinikrono> aha yofel, the bugs missed from previous hugdays
[01:10] <trinikrono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day#Not%20a%20developer? the last bullet
[01:11] <trinikrono> not sure which one should be updated
[01:11] <yofel> let me read the page again haven't read it in ages ^^
[01:11] <trinikrono> :D
[01:11] <trinikrono> the link or change the link
[01:11] <yofel> urgh, that's one out of date page..
[01:12] <yofel> I don't really get what the numbers on that page want to tell me o.O
[01:12] <trinikrono> yess
[01:13] <trinikrono> i tend to find wikipages
[01:13] <trinikrono> i think its a skill
[01:14] <yofel> sure is, I'm in the bugsquad over a year now and know most wiki pages, not that one though..
[01:15] <yofel> oh, that's one of the qateam wiki pages, maybe we should really switch that link to our bugday page
[01:18] <trinikrono> the one with all the old hugdays?
[01:18] <trinikrono> thats a nice wikipage
[01:19] <trinikrono> before the qa team used to set the packages that the hugdays would focus on?
[01:20] <yofel> no idea, "last edited 2008-08-06 " I wasn't there yet back then ^^
[01:22] <trinikrono> its this page you talking about yofel https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning?
[01:23] <trinikrono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Planning
[01:23] <trinikrono> thats shows the previous hug days?
[01:23] <yofel> yes
[01:30] <trinikrono> yofel: are you in charge of the 5-a-day?
[01:34] <nigelb> trinikrono: just fyi, the community is responsible for it.  Anyone can hold one :)
[01:36] <yofel> trinikrono: nope, and when it comes to the wiki page, anyone can edit it ;)
[01:38] <trinikrono> yofel: its just i was not sure if too go ahead and put the link, thats why i was wondering if someone was responsible for it
[01:39] <yofel> well, bdmurray was the last person to edit the page, but if you're not sure you can always send a mail to the mailing list first
[04:29] <puff> Hi there... so, I'm experiencing a problem with ipw2200 on an IBM thinkpad t43p. I researched this a ways back and it looks like it's related to bug #352150. The conclusion seemed to be, "fixed in the newer versions of ubuntu", but I just reinstalled to lucid lynx and it's *definitely* still here.
[04:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 352150 in linux (Ubuntu) "ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting // randomly disconnecting (affects: 24) (dups: 6) (heat: 214)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352150
[05:03] <micahg> puff: file a new bug and reference that bug number
[05:07] <puff> micahg: This page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs) says to use ubuntu-bug PID or ubuntu-bug packagename.  ubuntu-bug says that PID doesn't belong to any program.  What package should I file it against?
[05:08] <micahg> puff: ubuntu-bug linux
[05:09] <puff> Cool.
[05:10] <puff> Can I associate the ubuntu-bug-created bug with my launchpad account?
[05:12] <micahg> puff: ubuntu-bug will open your browser where you can log into launchpad]
[05:14] <puff> Hm, it lists the 352150 bug and wants to know if that's the bug I'm trying to report. It lists 352150 as triaged.
[05:14] <micahg> puff: no, since you say it's not fixed, file a new one and mention that one
[05:18] <puff> I'm trying to think of anything else I can add to shed more light on it... any suggestions?
[05:25] <puff> Hm, the launchpad page suggests checking this page for tips on what to put in the report, but the page isn't there:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeamBugPolicies#DIY%20Debugging%20Hints
[05:25] <puff> micahg: Submitted, Thanks for the help.
[05:26] <puff> Argh, timeout error from launchpad??
[05:26] <micahg> puff: ugh, unfortunately, that might mean you have to submit again
[05:27] <puff> Sigh... I just wrote a page of comments, dangit.
[05:27] <puff> Oh well.
[05:28] <micahg> puff: it's been a chronic issue as of late, hopefully it'll be fixed in the coming weeks, there's a bug open for it
[05:28] <puff> :-).
[05:29] <micahg> bug 553946
[05:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553946 in malone "JavaScript breaks ability to recover +filebug form data (affects: 8) (dups: 3) (heat: 36)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553946
[05:41] <puff> Went through this time.  Thanks.
[05:41] <puff> This stuff is crazy-making.
[05:41] <puff> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/607064
[05:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 607064 in linux (Ubuntu) "ipw2200 constantly disconnects, /var/log/syslog says ipw200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[05:50] <micahg> puff: the kernel team likes new bugs for each person, if it's a dupe, it will be marked as such by them
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[06:47]  * nigelb pours cold water on hggdh 
[06:50]  * hggdh jumps out of his chair and swears
[08:43] <kermiac> vish: one of my students is busy & won't be available for 3 -4 weeks. I'm happy to wait for him unless you want/need me to take another student & place him back in the queue
[08:47] <jpds> kermiac: wut?
[08:48] <kermiac> hi jpds, I was just leaving a message for vish re bugsquad mentors
[08:50] <jpds> Oh.
[08:50] <kermiac> :)
[08:51] <jpds> kermiac: I missed the "vi.sh:" part so it looked a little random, sorry.
[08:53] <kermiac> no probs jpds, I can see how that comment can seem very random without a little context hehe
[09:04] <vish> kermiac: hey , its great you've heard back from you student , what about the other one?
[09:04] <vish> your*
[09:05] <kermiac> vish: I haven't heard anything from the other student yet, but I only emailed them a couple of days ago
[09:06] <kermiac> also, howdy vish :)
[09:06]  * vish tips hat and says howdy to kermiac ;)
[09:07] <vish> kermiac: ok , cool , hmm , one month.. seems a long wait.. though  your time slot is the most wanted one and there are a couple of students waiting..  they had applied recently..
[09:09] <kermiac> vish: I would be happy to place him back in the queue & be assigned another one whilst he is busy. he explained that he is moving interstate & jobhunting, etc atm but he is very interested in triaging once his life settles down again
[09:11] <vish> kermiac: awesome! yeah , so I'll assign another student and lets see if he can be mentored within the month :D  or if you end up having 3 students  , we can switch mentors one later
[09:11] <vish> mentors for* one
[09:12] <vish> kermiac: which student was it?
[09:13] <kermiac> vish: David Ly-Gagnon
[09:13] <vish> kermiac: neat , thanks!
[09:14]  * vish brb , reboot...
[09:14] <kermiac> vish: I was thinking I would just reply & say thanks for contacting me blah, blah. please feel free to contact me when you are ready to start triaging
[09:15] <vish> kermiac: sure ,that would work too , I was about to deactivate him from the team..
[09:15] <vish> kermiac: lets do that... just send him a mail..
[09:16] <kermiac> vish: maybe you deactivate him & then I get him to send a mail to the bugsquad ml when he's ready?
[09:16] <kermiac> oops, lag
[09:17] <vish> kermiac: hmm , yeah. either way works..  which shall we do?
[09:19] <vish> kermiac: lets deactivate , and you mail him asking to re-apply when ready and send the mail to BSquad ML
[09:19] <vish> kermiac: I'll send the same message while de-activating too.
[09:19] <kermiac> vish: If my timeslot is very popular maybe we should deactivate him.... yup, that sounds good mate
[09:19] <vish> kermiac: neat! , will be doing that...
[09:20] <vish> reboot first :D
[09:20] <kermiac> ok :)
[09:23] <kermiac> wb vish
[09:23] <vish> \o/
[09:31] <kermiac> vish: Does this reply seem ok? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/Y7rR69QY
[09:31] <kermiac> vish: I was struggling with the wording - I don't want to put him off joining the program
[09:33]  * vish reads
[09:38] <vish> kermiac: this sound good to you? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/JvmHzTHP
[09:40]  * kermiac reads
[09:41] <kermiac> vish: yep. that looks better thanks mate
[09:41] <vish> np..
[09:41] <kermiac> I was struggling :)
[09:45] <kermiac> vish: ok, email sent. I've got to go grab some dinner. Please assign me another student when you've got time & I will make contact with them. Hopefully I'll have more luck hehe.
[09:55] <pedro_> vish, do you know if 'tre' is working with anybody ? (mentoring program)
[09:55] <pedro_> vish, hggdh is looking for a student ;-)
[09:55] <pedro_> vish, btw kangaroo lp id doesn't work, shall we go ahead and remove him from the list ?
[09:56] <vish> pedro_: kangrooo , 3 "ooo"
[09:56]  * pedro_ editing
[09:56] <pedro_> vish, he matches hggdh times as well ;-)
[09:57] <pedro_> vish, updated
[09:58] <vish> pedro_: oh , actually had assigned him to sbeattie ... np with switching ;)
[09:59] <pedro_> vish, well if he's already assigned and working, there's no need to do the switching :-P
[09:59] <pedro_> sbeattie, did kangarooo contacted you already?
[09:59] <sbeattie> pedro_: no, not yet.
[09:59] <pedro_> ok, i'll ping him to know what's going on
[10:00] <sbeattie> pedro_: please feel free to pass him to hggdh
[10:00] <vish> hmm , i thought the mentor made first contact?
[10:00] <pedro_> sbeattie, ok
[10:00] <pedro_> hggdh, we are going to assign all the remaining students to you ;-)
[10:02] <vish> pedro_: wanted to ask.. the "how to become a mentor" mentions , "Send Monthly updates on the students' progress to the bugsquad-mentorship mailing list "
[10:02] <vish> but there is no such mailing list... or is that BC list
[10:04] <vish> pedro_: oh , and stlsaint is waiting for ddecator
[10:05] <pedro_> vish, yeah that needs to be updated
[10:06] <pedro_> vish, better to send those updates to the BugSquad ML to those updates are available to everybody
[10:06] <vish> pedro_: ok , will do the change to BC list
[10:06] <pedro_> thanks vish
[10:06] <vish> oh..
[10:07] <vish> pedro_: but a mention in BC list will make it easier for others to +1 the approval to BC
[10:07] <vish> not sure if BugSquad helps though it is available to all
[10:08] <pedro_> vish, well the candidate mention in their application that the mentor encourage him to join the BC team that's enough to be approved no need for a review
[10:08] <pedro_> since he has been closely follow up/reviewed  by the mentor
[10:09] <vish> cool!
[10:09] <pedro_> s/well/well if
[10:09] <pedro_> ;-)
[10:09] <vish> :)
[10:09] <pedro_> but yeah would be better BC than BS
[10:09] <pedro_> since most of the mentors are part of that team anyways
[10:10] <vish> yeah..
[10:10] <vish> pedro_: oh , and tre is assigned to kamusin
[10:10] <pedro_> ok cool!
[10:10]  * pedro_ updating the wiki
[10:14] <nigelb> sbeattie: we were wonder if you folks would help with lernid.  the current config file is on jono's server
[10:14] <nigelb> pleia2 is in the processing of moving to canonical owned server with access to a few people
[10:14] <nigelb> would you be intersted in an sru in that case?
[10:15] <nigelb> i.e. does it qualify for one when the reasons are purely infrastructure-related.
[10:21] <sbeattie> nigelb: well, if moving to a different server breaks the tool but is going to happen, then probably the SRU team would accept.
[10:21] <sbeattie> ...would accept it.
[10:21] <sbeattie> You might ping someone actually on the ubuntu-sru team for sure.
[10:23] <nigelb> sbeattie: hm, ok.  I just wanted a take from somone from qa :)
[10:32] <vish> pedro_: hmm , which ML did we decide the updates had to be sent?
[10:36] <pedro_> vish, such of bad memory! :-P
[10:36] <pedro_> vish, to the BC one ;-)
[10:37] <vish> pedro_: ok.. thanks /me was confused which we decided on :D
[10:38] <pedro_> no problem :-)
[10:38] <vish> pedro_: oh , and we switch kangrooo to hggdh ?
[10:39] <vish> sbeattie: heard back from holstein ?
[10:40] <sbeattie> vish: I have not.
[10:40] <sbeattie> vish: nor I have I contacted him yet.
[10:40] <vish> sbeattie: oh.. then maybe we can switch him as well to hggdh ?  fine with you?
[10:41] <pedro_> vish, yeah let's switch kangarooo
[10:42] <pedro_> vish, i'm sending the emails right now
[10:42] <vish> pedro_: we still havent had an update from greg-g or maco :s , the students waiting are from their time slot ..
[10:43] <thekorn> argh, damn, I promised to send my report, but did not do it, shame on me
[10:43] <pedro_> :-(
[10:44] <pedro_> vish, there's only 1 student left though
[10:44] <vish> pedro_: odd... i see 5 in the queue..
[10:44] <vish> I'm updating the wiki as we speak
[10:45] <pedro_> vish, reload it , because i've updated it a few minutes ago
[10:45] <pedro_> vish, some of those listed there were already assigned
[10:45] <vish> pedro_: yeah , there are 4 others.. on lp waiting..
[10:46] <sbeattie> vish: yes, I'm okay with switching holstein to hggdh.
[10:47] <vish> sbeattie: neat thanks! will do that and assign the new ones when they come , there is no one waiting in that time slot now :)
[10:49] <pedro_> vish, can i pass my students to hggdh too?
[10:49] <pedro_> vish, in fact we should reassign all the students to him ;-)
[10:49] <vish> pedro_: if hggdh wants to take on 3 :D
[10:49] <vish> yeah ,!
[10:49] <pedro_> hello sense
[10:50] <sense> hello pedro_!
[10:50] <sense> good morning everyone
[10:51] <hggdh> yo sense, not qense anymore?
[10:51] <vish> hggdh: he lost all Q's ;p
[10:51]  * vish hides from qense ;)
[10:51]  * hggdh considers 2 students good enough...
[10:51] <sense> hggdh: Indeed, no. I wanted to have a nick 'derived' from my real name.
[10:52] <sense> vish: I still highlight qense, don't you think you can hide!
[10:52] <pedro_> hahaha
[10:52] <vish> that makes sense ;p
[10:52] <vish> hehe...
[10:52] <hggdh> :-)
[10:53] <sense> hggdh: That's the downside: I'm aware of everything that does and doesn't make sense on Freenode now.
[10:53] <hggdh> sense: heh
[10:53] <hggdh> nonsense also works?
[10:53] <sense> no
[10:55] <pedro_> lol
[10:56] <hggdh> non-sense
[10:56]  * hggdh keeps trying to find ways to bother sense
[10:57] <sense> hggdh: Congratulations, that does work!
[10:57] <hggdh> LOL
[16:11] <holstein> sbeattie: ping
[16:13] <sbeattie> holstein: what's up?
[16:13] <sbeattie> holstein: I think hggdh is going to take over mentoring you.
[16:16] <holstein> sbeattie: hey
[16:16] <holstein> yeah, i just saw you and vish talking about me
[16:16] <holstein> and i wasnt sure if i was suppose to have gotten a message
[16:17] <holstein> but i didnt want to miss an opportunity :)
[16:17] <hggdh> holstein: I was going to send you an email -- but will not anymore, since you are here ;-)
[16:18] <holstein> OK
[16:18] <hggdh> holstein: pretty much the same deal you should have had with sbeattie: when I am online, you can ask quesions to me, or email me
[16:18] <hggdh> holstein: if I am offline, anyone here can answer your questions/doubts
[16:19] <holstein> hggdh: OIC
[16:19] <holstein> i was confused for a minute
[16:19] <hggdh> then you are better off than I am, I am usually confused
[16:19] <hggdh> :-)
[16:20] <holstein> hehe
[17:21] <njin> bug 363454 , can someone confirm me that this is a kernel related issue, so in that case i try to convice him to make a little installation ?
[17:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 363454 in ubuntu "Microphone not working on Acer 2930 (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363454
[17:24] <charlie-tca> njin: the reporter has refused to supply the requested logs already. You can invalid the bug until the logs are attached by him
[17:25] <charlie-tca> He states in comment #6 that it is up to the devs to fix this. Without the logs, the devs can't actually fix this
[17:27] <njin> Ok, i invalid the bug clearing to him because they are needed
[17:27] <charlie-tca> We can't confirm the issue is kernel without the logs
[17:46] <vish> njin: also , the OP has unsubscribed from the bug.. :s
[17:52] <njin> vish: how sad !
[17:53] <njin> Ok go on with another bug...
[17:57] <drew212> lol, i love it when people say its up to the devs to fix this, when the devs are usually the ones helping you with debugging!
[18:29] <njin> bug 605864 , can someone help me, looking the syslog attched is clear that is in virtual anvironement, but in this case what i have to do ?
[18:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605864 in ubuntu "[RTL8187SE] The wifi downstream and upstream goes to 0 every couple of seconds (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605864
[18:39] <om26er> njin, move it to linux I guess
[18:44] <abhijit> hello
[18:46] <abhijit> om26er, ping
[18:46] <om26er> abhijit, hola ;)
[18:46] <abhijit> om26er, hi
[18:47] <abhijit> om26er, as you know my college is started. and I cant manage time now. so what to do about my bugsquad? I can have a free time on sundays. will it be ok? and is it ok to proceed in such a slow speed?
[18:48] <om26er> abhijit, sundays are boring but yeah.
[18:49] <om26er> slow and steady wins the ..
[18:49] <abhijit> om26er, .....race :D
[18:49] <om26er> ;
[19:26] <om26er> if an app in 'main' does not start at all (under certain condition) whats the importance?
[19:27] <njin> bug 363771 help
[19:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 363771 in ubuntu "aes-x86_64 module missing from amd64 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363771
[19:27] <micahg> om26er: I'd say it depends on the package
[19:28] <om26er> micahg, gwibber.. bug 567616
[19:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 567616 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Gwibber does not start if gnome-keyring-daemon is not running (affects: 11) (dups: 5) (heat: 105)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567616
[19:28] <micahg> om26er: when would it not be running?
[19:28] <om26er> KDE
[19:29] <micahg> om26er: medium is fine
[19:29] <om26er> and many times in gnome
[19:29] <micahg> om26er: if in gnome, that's a different story
[19:29] <micahg> but that sounds like another bug
[19:30] <om26er> micahg, 'does not start at all' are generally high ?
[19:30] <micahg> om26er: right, but if it's under KDE, it's not a normal circumstance
[19:31] <om26er> there are many other gwibber bugs too where the 'does not start at all' condition apply.. basically caused by that desktopcouch thingy :p
[19:33] <micahg> om26er: well, each one has to be evaluated to see if it's relatively normal or not
[19:35] <om26er> bug 579668
[19:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 579668 in gwibber (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Gwibber crash on startup, KeyError: 'doc (affects: 10) (dups: 3) (heat: 115)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/579668
[19:35]  * micahg wonders where pedro is
[20:01] <njin> micahg: pedro_ is actually working in Europe for about 1 month. He say to all  'Have a great day'.
[20:01] <njin> So i'm without mentor for a month ;)
[20:07] <yofel> vish: If I'm not mistaken SC uses the 'Categories' definition in the applications .desktop file to order them (bug 606048)
[20:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606048 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "All PDF Viewers/Editors aren't in the same category. (affects: 1) (dups: 5) (heat: 36)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606048
[20:09] <vish> yofel: yeah , i'm not sure about that one.. i have to check if it needs to be fixed in each package's .desktop or  , hence i changed it to confirmed.. and added the ubuntu task..
[20:10] <vish> yofel: the OP , duped all his bugs into a meta bug :s
[20:10] <yofel> Take Okular for example: "Categories=Qt;KDE;Graphics;Office;Viewer;"
[20:10] <vish> so probably need to undup them and set the category
[20:10] <vish> right
[20:11] <yofel> You can have an app in as many categories as you like, that's how it's designed
[20:11] <vish> yup..
[20:12] <yofel> I'll subscribe to that, curious ^^
[20:13] <vish> yofel: so many bugs get filed its tough to finish them all :s.. i had that bug in my TODO , but commented since it was set to triaged too early..
[20:13] <vish> first , not sure mpt wants them in different categories or all of them in the same one..
[20:14] <yofel> heh, my todo list are the bugs I have open as tabs in firefox... a bit too many actually..
[20:14] <vish> and then not all of them are the exact same function.. some really are graphics apps..
[20:14] <vish> convert images > pdfs..
[20:15] <vish> yofel: that bug is IMO a mess , you can triage it if you want :D
[20:15]  * yofel declines politely and goes into hiding..
[20:15] <vish> ;)
[21:30] <vish> hrmm , why is this invalid in SC > Bug #550955
[21:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 550955 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "About window is modal and doesn't look like it (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550955
[21:31] <vish> kinda irritating when folks dont leave a comment about the change :/
[21:35] <yofel> er, only the software-store part is invalid?
[21:35] <yofel> (wrong project I think)
[21:35] <vish> yeah , why has it been marked .. so?
[21:36] <yofel> should be 'software-center' not 'software-store'
[21:36] <vish> yofel: it mentions SS , but when you see the name,  its SC [see end of page]
[21:36] <vish> both are the same..
[21:37] <yofel> launchpad--
[21:37] <yofel> it used the new names as the projects were somehow merged
[21:37] <vish> yofel: nah , its the old name which is just retained there
[21:38] <vish> what ever it is  , people should comment! so that we dont have to sit here wondering why!
[21:38] <vish> if they are soo busy to not have time to comment, they should probably not triage !
[21:39] <vish> argH!
[21:40] <yofel> just ask him yourself once he's online again
[21:42] <vish> yofel: yeah , but this is not the first time I'v seen such behavior.. i'v tried telling him personally [im] but still he is playing with lp..
[21:42] <vish> :s