[00:20] <ScottL> nigelb, thanks for your help earlier with the SRU, crimsum ended up uploading it for me already :)
[00:59] <nigelb> ScottL: no prblem :)
[01:29] <paultag> thanks there nigelb
[01:32] <nigelb> paultag: may be we should modify it
[01:32] <nigelb> Its tooo old
[01:32] <paultag> nigelb: yeah :)
[01:33] <nigelb> I think I loved BASIC a lot ;)
[06:19] <maco> akgraner: how do you mix fast and southern? half of a southern accent is simply in the slowness
[07:35] <akgraner> maco that is the half I lost somewhere :-)
[07:36] <nigelb> heh
[07:38] <pleia2> akgraner: so, are you awake because you are still packing, or because you've made it to the left coast? :)
[07:39] <akgraner> just finished packing and my dad is picking me up in 10 minutes to head to the airport
[07:39] <akgraner> got UWN out about midmight
[07:39] <pleia2> woohoo
[07:39] <pleia2> have a safe trip :)
[07:40] <akgraner> midnight here - then packed :-) and of course the one outfit I really wanted to wear had to be washed so I did all the laundry :-)
[07:40] <akgraner> thanks!
[08:23] <jussi> AlanBell: ping
[08:29] <jussi> where is sense!!! Im an Aussie! and my native language is English!!!!
[08:29] <AlanBell> morning jussi
[08:29] <jussi> morning AlanBell - see pm
[08:31] <jussi> oh dear, I read wrong lol
[08:36] <nigelb> jussi: I was suggesting that you shouldn't be listed as aussi now that you've been branded traitor :p
[08:36]  * nigelb runs
[08:36] <nigelb> (he did correctly put you under aussie though)
[08:36] <jussi> nigelb: Im a world citizen...
[08:37] <jussi> nigelb: yeah, and Im dyslexic obviously :P
[08:37] <nigelb> jussi: haha, I was just kidding :)
[08:41] <jussi> so, I came up with an idea, was just talking to AlanBell about it. Was thinking about if we coould put a planet up for Businesses involved in ubuntu in some way or another, to blog about what they are doing with ubuntu.
[08:42] <jussi> it would need to have some spam rules, like no pricelists and so on, but still. It would be a portal for finding out info about how ubuntu is being used and furthered in the business world
[08:42] <jussi> thoughts?
[08:45]  * AlanBell approves of this fine idea
[08:45] <dholbach> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainedPackages
[08:50] <jussi> so what? nobody has any thoughts?
[08:51]  * jussi zaps the channel into life...
[08:51] <dholbach> jcastro: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/KnownLimitations
[09:46]  * nigelb gets a zap from jussi 
[09:46] <nigelb> jussi: its a good idea
[09:46] <nigelb> AlanBell: you did have an ubuntu @ work idea right?
[09:46] <nigelb> maybe this could be merged?
[09:50] <duanedesign> nigelb: i seem to remember something from uds like that
[09:50] <jussi> nigelb: exatly the point ;)
[09:52] <AlanBell> same kind of thing yes
[09:52] <AlanBell> I was setting up a launchpad group and getting lost in a maze of twisty passages when trying to create a mailing list
[09:53] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-partner-community
[09:53] <AlanBell> jono was going to talk to the partner people about the correct terminology or something
[09:53]  * duanedesign is impressed his memory actually served him well
[09:58] <jcastro> hi everyone!
[10:01] <AlanBell> hi jcastro
[10:04] <jussi> jcastro: up late? early? in a different part of the world?
[10:05] <nigelb> jcastro: hows the heat there?
[10:06] <nigelb> lifeless was talking about it earlier today
[10:12] <vish> i believe jcastro is at the sprint...
[10:13] <jcastro> nigelb: it seems ok to me
[10:13] <nigelb> yeah, Prague
[10:13] <nigelb> jcastro: gah, aussies are coming from winter :D
[10:20] <jcastro> nigelb: we'll have to toughen him up
[10:21] <nigelb> jcastro: hehe
[10:31] <jcastro> JFo: 19a82f26fb43f418daf0f559a65d320f936693fd
[10:34] <doctormo> nigelb: who?
[10:38]  * popey farts on identi.ca
[10:50] <sense> good morning!
[10:53] <vish> sense: you just missed something interesting!
[10:53] <vish> sense: * popey farts on identi.ca
[10:53] <vish> :D
[10:54] <sense> Do I want to know that? :P
[10:57] <popey> heh
[10:57] <popey> http://identi.ca/conversation/41931999#notice-42215994
[11:00] <AlanBell> my comment to that effect is waiting moderation
[11:01] <AlanBell> My understanding was that this was cockup rather than conspiracy. The RSS feed was supposed to be picking up posts tagged with Linux or Ubuntu or something and it wasn’t right and picked up a load of stuff relating to some legacy operating system.
[11:03] <sense> I haven't seen anything from Dell on the Planet lately, though.
[11:04] <AlanBell> there was a batch of posts that are now gone
[11:05] <nigelb> doctormo: lifeless
[11:05] <nigelb> (its his nickname.  Real name:  Robert Collins)
[11:06] <nigelb> jcastro: what the...
[11:07] <nigelb> popey: Much better to talk to folks than just go blog about it :/
[11:07] <popey> hey ho
[11:08] <nigelb> popey: anyway, was that something going wrong with planet?
[11:08] <nigelb> I don't think they would randomly use the planet tag
[11:08] <popey> we're looking into it
[11:08] <nigelb> :)
[11:08] <popey> in the meantime I disabled their feed at their request
[11:08]  * nigelb hugs popey :)
[11:08] <popey> *hugs*
[11:08] <nigelb> perhaps we should say that
[11:09] <popey> once we know what the problem is, we can certainly make it known
[11:20] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:25] <doctormo> sense: I saw things on the planet from Dell, they were from the Microsoft event, fawning all over it.
[11:26] <doctormo> ello czajkowski
[11:26] <sense> doctormo: Aw, painful.
[11:26] <sense> czajkowski: hello!
[11:27] <doctormo> sense: Interesting actually, because the blog is for their linux engineers. Did Dell send their linux people to a Microsoft event, or did dell just post interesting news through their Lin blog?
[11:28] <sense> doctormo: You should ask Alan Pope about that or read the backlog, I wouldn't know, really.
[11:30] <czajkowski> think it was just a rss cock up
[11:30] <czajkowski> happens at times
[11:30] <czajkowski> sense: blog post on uds has appeared at least 3 times since it was first published
[11:30] <sense> Yeah, that was because I stickied and unstickied it in WordPress.
[11:30] <sense> No idea why that would be enough for PlanetPlanet to repost it.
[11:31] <czajkowski> sense: happens happened to mdz last year on a few posts
[11:31] <czajkowski> and no blog posts or long conversations happened about it :)
[11:31] <doctormo> sense: Works on the modification date.
[11:32] <sense> It could use the modification date to look if the post was updated, but why not order it using the date published? :S
[11:32] <sense> That would make much more sense to me.
[11:36] <czajkowski> sense: that would make sense
[11:37] <sense> Yes it would!
[11:37] <doctormo> sense: That has been an outstanding bug from what I can gather.
[11:37] <sense> doctormo: I thought it was a 'Won't Fix' or an 'Opinion', is that right?
[11:37] <doctormo> czajkowski: What should I sketch today?
[11:38] <doctormo> sense: I didn't track it, I thought planet code was orphaned.
[11:38] <czajkowski> doctormo: eh?
[11:38] <sense> fun
[11:39] <doctormo> czajkowski: I do a simple 5 min sketch every day, I need an idea.
[11:39] <czajkowski> loco geeknics
[11:39] <czajkowski> global jam
[11:39] <AlanBell> Profile Roulette
[11:41] <czajkowski> profil;e of the day
[11:42] <sense> The Irish were first, remember! :)
[11:42] <doctormo> I think I'll do global jam, sounds fun, and fruity.
[11:42] <czajkowski> sense: i know
[11:42] <czajkowski> :)
[11:43] <sense> Yes, you do.
[11:45] <nigelb> debian and ubuntu cooperating ;) http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/ubuntu/2010/07/19
[11:45] <nigelb> I thought it would be interesting for us to have such a class.  Rhonda of course is using the opportunity to teach the the entire downstream
[11:46] <sense> nigelb: yay for that!
[11:50] <doctormo> czajkowski: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Sketch-2010-07-19-171881163
[11:51] <czajkowski> http://evand.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/the-home-stretch/  24% left folks help push it over
[11:52] <doctormo> czajkowski: I've no heard much reason on why stack overflow is a good site to have?
[11:52] <czajkowski> doctormo: very briefly as i've to leg it
[11:52] <czajkowski> but
[11:52] <czajkowski> it'd be good to have a presence on there as other groups do
[11:52] <czajkowski> some folks dont irc
[11:52] <czajkowski> forurms get long and messy adn hard to find the answer at least i do, that could be me of course
[11:53] <czajkowski> mailing list ramble rave and rant
[11:53] <czajkowski> and irc is good bt again not everyone uses it
[11:53] <czajkowski> launchpad q& a is useful and is used
[11:53]  * doctormo considers that perhaps that's because Ubuntu doesn't support irc on the desktop.
[11:53] <czajkowski> but some folks use SE so i think we shou;d be there to answer some of the questionns
[11:53] <nigelb> sense: if you could give a bit of advertisement (a blog post perhaps?)
[11:53] <nigelb> would be great :)
[11:54] <czajkowski> doctormo: thats my 2 cents and why i'm helping to promote it
[11:54] <sense> nigelb: I'll see what I can do for you!
[11:54] <czajkowski> i think it's a great idea
[11:54] <doctormo> czajkowski: Sounds like the right reasons, I hang around on vark to steer people much the same way.
[11:54] <czajkowski> but now i've to dash to a meeting to solve funding for an event
[11:54] <doctormo> bye!
[11:54] <czajkowski> doctormo: so you're a voval kinda guy ciyuld you please help
[11:54]  * nigelb hugs sense
[11:54] <nigelb> Thank you :)
[11:54] <sense> yw
[11:54] <czajkowski> we're 24% away and we've jumped from 40 to 70 % in a week
[11:54] <czajkowski> we just need a little more to go beta
[11:54] <czajkowski> please
[11:55] <doctormo> Alright
[11:55] <czajkowski> all of you in here are vocal and blog
[11:55] <doctormo> If it will make you happy
[11:55] <czajkowski> it will
[11:55] <czajkowski> but more so it'd make evan happy
[11:55] <czajkowski> tis his wee project
[11:55] <czajkowski> <---------------------poof gone
[11:57] <doctormo> I see Evan is second only to jcastro for referals.
[12:12] <doctormo> czajkowski: http://doctormo.org/2010/07/19/communities/ for when you get back.
[12:30] <nigelb> jcastro: is dholbach there too? or is he on leave today?
[12:30] <nigelb> jcastro: also its your turn for cleansweep stats this week!
[13:04] <sense> nigelb: ^^
[13:05] <nigelb> sense: thanks
[13:05] <nigelb> dholbach: poke
[13:05] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[13:05] <nigelb> dholbach: Rhonda wanted to know if we could arrange translations for the session thursday
[13:06] <nigelb> apparently people have asked for german :)
[13:06] <nigelb> how do we normally do it for open weeks/
[13:06] <dholbach> nigelb: what do you want translated?
[13:06] <nigelb> dholbach: the session
[13:06] <nigelb> "How to work with debian BTS"
[13:06] <dholbach> like live-translate?
[13:07] <dholbach> you can try it by blogging about it
[13:07] <dholbach> maybe you'll find someone to do it
[13:07] <nigelb> yeah, live translate
[13:07] <dholbach> I'm too busy right now, I'm afraid
[13:07] <nigelb> no, I wanted to know we usually did it
[13:08] <dholbach> I don't think there's a "usual" there
[13:08] <dholbach> we had people translate questions and answers
[13:08] <dholbach> but not whole sessions
[13:08] <dholbach> afaik
[13:10] <nigelb> ahh, ok, call for help then!
[13:10] <nigelb> dholbach: btw, you're in prague?
[13:10] <jcastro> ooh, my turn for cleansweep stats?
[13:10] <dholbach> nigelb: yes
[13:11] <dholbach> jcastro: http://daniel.holba.ch/review/report
[13:11] <nigelb> jcastro: yes, I was about ask dholbach to physically poke you if he were in prague :D
[13:13] <sense> Even if he isn't there driving to Prague should be doable for him! :P
[13:13] <sense> I mean, Germany lies next to Czech, so any German should be able to be in Prague within a few hours!
[13:14] <nigelb> sense: oooh.  I didn't think of that :D
[13:14] <nigelb> sense: they're probably sitting next to each other anyway
[13:23] <paultag> Ohhh, Germany
[13:24] <paultag> sense: I have always wanted to go to Prague :)
[13:24] <sense> It's a beautiful city. I've been there once.
[13:24] <sense> Certainly worth a sight-seeing tour.
[13:25] <paultag> sense: it was very closly tied with East Germany during post WWII communism
[13:25] <paultag> steeped in history :)
[13:25]  * nigelb hugs jcastro spontaneously ;)
[13:25] <sense> It was a very rich country until the WWII and the Cold War when the Germans and the Russians destroyed a lot, stole a lot of valuable items and wrecked the economy.
[13:26] <paultag> sense: they did that to east Germany as well, they took the infastructure that was standing and took it back to Russia
[13:26] <sense> yes
[13:26] <paultag> creative :)
[13:30] <sense> nigelb: Is the Debian BTS session already in the schedule at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom>?
[13:30] <sense> or isn't there any?
[13:32] <nigelb> sense: its on the schedule in classroom topic
[13:32] <sense> ok!
[13:46] <dholbach> dpm: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+publishinghistory
[14:11] <akgraner> Well I made it to Dallas - next stop will be Portland :-)  Woo Hoo!
[14:13] <nigelb> akgraner: w00t w00t
[14:13] <Pendulum> akgraner: yay! I hope the rest of the travel goes smoothly!
[14:14] <nigelb> akgraner: compared to UDS, it seems much calmer I think ;)
[14:14] <randa_> akgraner hi
[14:14] <akgraner> nigelb, yeppers
[14:14] <akgraner> randa_, HEY!! :-)  how are ya?
[14:14] <randa_> akgraner: are you going to OSCON?
[14:14] <akgraner> randa_, yeppers
[14:15] <akgraner> I'll be there all week
[14:15] <randa_> wow that's great my husband is there as well
[14:15] <akgraner> really?  tell him to come by the Linux Pro/Ubuntu user Booth
[14:15] <randa_> akgraner: i will. :)
[14:16] <akgraner> I'll be there most of the time on Wednesday and Thursday :-)
[14:16] <akgraner> I saw that Nick Levine and John Pugh will be there as well  - I talked to John but have yet to meet Nick
[14:17] <akgraner> randa_, John said he owes Pete beer and since Pete won't be there I told john I will accept them by proxy.... muahaha
[14:17] <randa_> akgraner: Nick Barcet yes
[14:18] <randa_> akgraner: haha
[14:18] <akgraner> randa_, I didn't see him on the list but it will be great to see him again as well  - that's cool..   are you in prague this week?
[14:20] <randa_> no akgraner Im in Millbank, michelle is now the ubuntu platform admin
[14:22] <akgraner> ahh that's right  - sorry :-/  wasn't thinking
[14:52] <akgraner> randa_, I meant Neil not Nick I am so terrible with names of people I haven't meet yet :-(
[14:53] <randa_> well nick barcet is def going, not sure about neil though
[14:53] <randa_> akgraner: ^^
[14:53] <akgraner> awesome!
[14:53]  * akgraner <3's OSCON
[14:53] <randa_> :)
[14:54] <akgraner> it seems like the Olympic Pool of Open Source developers, vendors, and users in the US  (well at least to me) :-/
[14:54]  * popey tries not to picture jfo in speedos
[14:55] <akgraner> popey, NOOOOO!   mental image I did not need! :-P
[14:55] <popey> :D
[14:55] <popey> ok, you can easily remove it by replacing with an image of RMS in speedos instead.
[14:55] <akgraner> sigh you are not helping I think I just threw up a little
[14:55] <popey> hah
[14:55] <randa_> hahah but JFo is in Prague akgraner
[14:56] <akgraner> randa_, I know  - but that mental image is still not a good one
[14:56]  * popey hugs the ubuntu community, speedos or not
[14:56] <akgraner> however I asked him to make sure he wears his overalls to UDS next time
[14:57] <akgraner> well gotta run  - next flight shortly  - laters
[14:57] <popey> o/
[14:57] <popey> akgraner: great UWN this week btw
[14:57] <randa_> hahaha
[15:12] <doctormo> popey: Your blog entry, isn't it basically saying what the MA LoCos official position has been for 2 years?
[15:13] <popey> is it?
[15:13] <doctormo> Anime Boston, PiCon3, PiCon4, NE Intel Gaming Party etc, etc, events of semi or non technical users who may or may not have heard of Ubuntu before.
[15:14] <popey> Many LoCos don't do that though
[15:14] <popey> it was copy/pasted from an Ubuntu-UK list mail, and the -uk loco certainly doesn't do any where near as much non-tech advocacy as you guys do
[15:14] <doctormo> In fact MA doesn't really consider internal geek events as advocacy, I think of them more as social events much like the Ubuntu Hour.
[15:14] <popey> we need to do more
[15:16] <doctormo> Surely thought the UK is split up into parts? A country with 60 million people should be doing more than a state of 6 million even if the area is 5th the size.
[15:17] <doctormo> Erm, 5 times the size*
[15:18] <doctormo> I say just squat the NEC until an event happens.
[15:19] <popey> in terms of loco there is two, "UK" and "Wales"
[15:19] <popey> theres not a loco per county
[15:19] <doctormo> No Scotland?
[15:19] <popey> no
[15:19] <popey> and Wales don't seem to be active
[15:20] <doctormo> How can you tell ;-)
[15:20] <popey> :)
[15:20] <popey> well, given they kicked the logging bot out of their channel..
[15:20] <popey> seems like more of a youth club than a loco IMO
[15:22] <doctormo> There is a better way to divide than by county of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_England
[15:23] <doctormo> I remember I was going to meet the folk up in Liverpool until it got canceled because of the snow. So there must be people out there.
[15:23] <doctormo> Doing things
[15:24] <popey> we have lugs in pretty much every county
[15:24] <popey> its certainly something we could consider
[15:24] <doctormo> czajkowski: Woop, 10 referals to that stack exchange.
[15:25] <doctormo> popey: Depends on the lug I think, US-PA according to pleia2 was active with advocy, but Boston LUG is just a social group for old unix nerds.
[15:25] <popey> yeah, lugs in the UK are very diverse
[15:25] <popey> my local two are quite active
[15:26] <popey> others are moribund
[15:26] <doctormo> The home of LUG Radio and a bunch of other things.
[15:27] <popey> yeah. lugradio from wolves lug which used to be a very social lug
[15:27] <popey> they would go for curry each week
[15:34] <Pendulum> doctormo: btw, I should have a vehicle by the time of PiCon so should be able to help transport stuff down here if needed
[16:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:21] <doctormo> Pendulum: sounds great
[16:23] <doctormo> Pendulum: I think Johnathon is confirmed so I should have transport from Boston... we'll organise it.
[18:43] <czajkowski> nigelb: tis not funny
[19:49] <pleia2> doctormo: btw, I was a bit unsure about the officialness of the mouse-in-circle for the xubuntu logo, I just spoke with charlie-tca and got him to confirm that it is (the team never *actually* came to a formal decision, but he's the leader right now and Made It So, will update xubuntu artwork pages to reflect)
[19:50] <doctormo> pleia2: ah, apologise to him for me forcing his hand, it sounds like that is what I did.
[19:50] <pleia2> not at all, a formal decision needed to be nudged into place
[19:50] <pleia2> everyone is happy :)
[19:51] <pleia2> I got my mouse, they have a shiny SVG to distribute
[20:11] <doctormo> pleia2: Nice, like my dragon?
[20:12] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, that rocks :)
[20:15] <AlanBell> doctormo: do you have a commissioning price list?
[20:19] <doctormo> AlanBell: Sure, depends on the work, the licensing, the use and the person. Artwork is very fluid so it's hard to pin an exact price. normally the amount you want to spend comes first and then the amount of work follows.
[20:22] <jussi> tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow!!!
[20:22] <jussi> :D
[20:23] <AlanBell> picture of a walking bus, CC-BY-SA, http://polys.stroll2school.com (and for other schools we can sell it to), not sure how much we want to spend
[20:24] <AlanBell> doing it as a freebie for my kids school, but it seems like a repeatable thing that could be done commercially
[20:45] <doctormo> AlanBell: ping
[21:15] <doctormo> pleia2: Did the classroom planet icon pass inspection?
[21:15] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, I think so, following-up with that is on my todo list (we're using it for identi.ca and twitter too)
[23:52] <pleia2> doctormo: thanks again for that inkscape demo at UDS, I probably didn't retain much from the actual demo itself, but it clued me in to the fact that it was great and usable and now, in spite of general artistic uselessness, I can *manipulate* SVGs with some skill these days :)
[23:52] <pleia2> and now we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Maverick \o/
[23:53] <doctormo> pleia2: Lovely, between you and paultag you seem to be running the lighter distros :-D
[23:53] <pleia2> yeah, coming from debian+xfce, xubuntu was always my thing
[23:53] <pleia2> I really tried to use gnome