[00:01] <ScottK> It would be nice if someone would forward Bug 607372 to b.k.o.
[05:29] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1151987 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp package.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[05:29] <CIA-33> Apparently libapt-pkg returns null const char pointers when you try to call
[05:29] <CIA-33> Section() on a package that lacks a section. :/ I naively thought that we might
[05:30] <JontheEchidna> well, first official bug squashed. :) (kde bug 245177)
[05:31] <JontheEchidna> This probably does mean that I'll have to check each use of a libapt-pkg call from libqapt, and determine whether or not there is a risk of it returning a null pointer :/
[05:32] <JontheEchidna> tomorrow, though. Sleepy times...
[07:12] <apachelogger> good morning Kubuntu
[07:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: order birthday package for Nightrose
[07:12]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[07:12]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to Nightrose and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[07:12] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday Nightrose, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[07:12] <kubotu> Happy Birthday Nightrose :D
[07:12] <kubotu> To your health!
[07:12] <apachelogger> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:12]  * apachelogger kisses and huggles Nightrose
[07:30] <nigelb> oh, happy birthday Nightrose :)
[07:59] <Riddell> hugs to birthday Nightrose!
[09:17] <Riddell> kdevelop needing packaged if there's any takers
[10:04] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for Nightrose 
[10:04]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Nightrose.
[10:04] <Quintasan> Happy birthday!
[10:05] <Quintasan> Riddell: dunno if you got my messages yesterday (my ISP is doing something nasty) but the files in deb package say the are stripped, yet the dbg files is 1,2kB is this normal?
[10:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: not it's not normal
[10:07] <Quintasan> I wonder where the files went then
[10:07] <yofel> maybe disable the stripping and see if they're still stripped?
[10:07] <Riddell> presmably dh_strip is being run without putting the debug symbols in the right place
[10:07] <Riddell> thanks a good idea yofel 
[10:08] <Quintasan> well, I'll try that
[10:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: I have copied the rule from kubuntu package: override_dh_strip: dh_strip --dbg-package=project-neon-qt-dbg
[10:11] <Riddell> seems reasonable
[10:12] <Riddell> maybe the debug symbols aren't being compiled in the first place
[10:14] <Riddell> in which case try disabling the dh_strip line there as yofel suggested
[10:17] <Quintasan> removed, testbuilding now
[10:18] <Riddell> long cup of coffee time?
[10:25] <debfx> how can I switch between plasma netbook and desktop?
[10:25] <Riddell> debfx: system settings -> Workspace
[10:25] <Riddell> I've not tested it this cycle
[10:28] <debfx> seems to work, but it doesn't add decorations to existing windows
[10:29] <debfx> I upgraded a vm from lucid to maverick and it changed from desktop to netbook without asking
[10:33] <Riddell> debfx: that'll be the new screen height < 700 test since we merged our desktop and netbook ISOs
[10:33] <Riddell> in bzr it also test with laptop detect and for absense of CD
[10:43] <Riddell> hmm, I can't add any accounts in choqok
[10:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer, neversfelde: is that just me?
[10:46] <debfx> imho we shouldn't automatically switch to netbook when upgrading
[10:48] <Riddell> I agree although I can't think of a way to stop it from happening
[10:49] <Riddell> rickspencer3: ping
[11:06] <steveire> Quassel really needs to be un-fscked.
[11:06] <steveire> On 9.04 and (I think 9.10) it noticed when I clicked on it and did not flash an envelope at me unitl I click the envelope
[11:06] <steveire> Is that a kubuntu added notification thing or should I look into quassel code?
[11:08] <Riddell> that's quassel's own notification thing
[11:08] <Riddell> you can turn on support for our message indicator for a nicer one :)
[11:08] <Riddell> or just hassle Sput :)
[11:09]  * Sput didn't get the problem
[11:12] <Riddell> steveire: what's the problem?  that it's too "noisy" or that it doesn't work?
[11:14] <steveire> The problem is that the noise doesn't stop until I click the envelope.
[11:14] <steveire> So if I have konsole focussed and I get pinged, I alt-tab to quassel and read the ping, but the envelope still flashes at me.
[11:14] <steveire> The only way to stop it flashing is to click it, and then it changes my context in quassel to some other screen which I don't seem to be able to access any other way.
[11:14] <steveire> So I have to then click back to the channel I was on before
[11:19] <Sput> ah, that has been fixed (though I though we fixed that back in 0.6 already?)
[11:20] <Sput> *thought
[11:20] <Sput> maybe it was post-0.6
[11:20] <Sput> you can also disable the animation
[11:20] <steveire> Version: v0.6.1 (dist-611ebcc)
[11:21] <Riddell> I can't recreate that problem in maverick (0.6.1)
[11:22] <steveire> The animation is only part of the problem. Can the fix be backported to 10.04?
[11:23] <Riddell> steveire: have you tried the message indicator plasmoid?  Settings -> Configure Notifications -> Show messages in application indicator
[11:24] <Riddell> then turn off the systray icon in Setting -> Configure Quassel -> Show System Tray
[11:24] <Riddell> ScottK or anyone who cares, lucid.1 hoped for next week, anything we need to get through SRU?
[11:25] <Riddell> I don't see anything relevant at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=verification-needed or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=verification-failed
[11:25] <Riddell> hard to search through https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru
[11:26] <steveire> I don't see that option in systemsettings/notifications. Maybe it's only in maverick?
[11:27] <Riddell> steveire: not system settings, from within quassel
[11:27]  * Riddell wonders why bug 578215 is only fix committed
[11:29] <steveire> OK, can you ping me and we'll see what happens?
[11:30] <Riddell> steveire: worked?
[11:31] <Riddell> steveire: ping
[11:31] <steveire> Yes, that works.
[11:31] <steveire> Thanks.
[11:32] <Riddell> steveire: by animation you mean the little star which appears?
[11:32] <steveire> That should probably be the default. Can we fix that in the package? By animation I mean the systray icon gets a flashing envelope
[11:33] <Riddell> steveire: the message indicator should be default?
[11:33] <Riddell> didn't you just turn off the quassel systray icon and its flashing envelope?
[11:34]  * steveire doesn't know.
[11:34] <steveire> The problem could be my 'upgrade' path. I was using 9.04, and I just formatted and installed 10.04 on my root partition
[11:35] <Riddell> now I'm confused about which indicator you're using :)
[11:35] <steveire> Oh. I still have 'Show system tray icon' checked.
[11:36] <steveire> Wierd.
[11:38] <Riddell> so you have both?
[11:53] <jussi> so the facebook plugin for gwenview... does anyone actually use that? 
[11:54] <jussi> usability is very annoying
[11:57] <Riddell> never heard of it
[11:57] <Riddell> jussi: what does it do?
[11:57] <jussi> Riddell: uploads photos for facebook
[11:57] <jussi> from gwenview
[11:57] <Riddell> kipi-plugin presumably
[11:57] <jussi> its part of kipi
[11:57] <jussi> hehe
[11:57] <agateau> jussi: I used to use it
[11:59] <jussi> agateau: do you not think its annoying to use? I mean, it would be much better if you could select the photos from within gwenview, not from tiny previews in the file chooser. and when you are done, there is only a cancel or upload photos button - what do you do? cancel? does that mean your photos dont get uploaded?
[12:00] <agateau> jussi: you can select the images from within Gwenview
[12:00] <agateau> jussi: but it's true it lacks a handy universal "upload" button
[12:00] <jussi> agateau: you can? didnt seem that way to me - perhaps I missed it?
[12:03] <jussi> oh and btw, for all those who are interested, here is some pics of the house Sari and I just bought! http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=186443&id=695927806&l=b70aac357c
[12:04] <agateau> jussi: just select the images before opening the plugin
[12:05] <jussi> agateau: ahh, yeah, I guess that makes sense
[12:10] <MIH1406> Can I ask about translations?
[12:11] <MIH1406> I have installed Kubuntu with Arabic translations
[12:31] <ScottK> Riddell: I really want bug 578215 for 10.04.1.  I think it's important.
[12:32] <ScottK> MIH1406: You can ask.
[12:33] <MIH1406> ScottK: thank you I asked in KDE
[12:33] <ScottK> MIH1406: OK.  That is probably a better place.
[12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[13:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong
[13:11] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1152146 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Less QString construction
[13:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think it would be wise to give sort-of datatypes coming from the syncdaemon a proper class (with all the prototyping) ... for example one might want to query for shares, which from dbus returns a QList<QHash<QString, QString> >
[13:14] <apachelogger> now, if one of the qstrings in the hash changes that change is directly exposed to any user of the syncdaemon library requiring changes in every part querying for that sort of stuff
[13:14] <Riddell> it would seem important to have some way of knowing what the syncdaemon is returning
[13:14] <apachelogger> OTOH prototyping a simple "data container" is one giant PITA
[13:14] <Riddell> surely there's some way of knowing already?
[13:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, the first QString of the Hash is a sensible key
[13:15] <apachelogger> like "access_level"
[13:16] <apachelogger> but if the library exposes the hashlist itself there are no maens to provide compat in case that name changes
[13:16] <Riddell> do we know if that's likely to happen?
[13:16] <Riddell> ah, rickspencer3, ping
[13:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: what happens on the gtk side?  because that probably is the "interface" needing to be followed
[13:18] <apachelogger> I really do not think that the GTK side is anything that should be followed
[13:18] <Riddell> :)
[13:18] <apachelogger> anyhow, they just take the dict (in python) and get values manually
[13:20] <apachelogger> but for example for status updates from the syncdaemon I prototyped a class because there are quite some values that need to be brought into an enum
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/libs/SyncDaemonStatus.cpp
[13:22] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/libs/SyncDaemonStatus.cpp#L171
[13:22] <apachelogger> what is most interessting
[13:22] <Riddell> and it would be "one giant PITA" to make that generic enough for shares and everything else which needs it?
[13:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: with C++ I really should be prototyping appropriate setter and getter functions to get any advantage from it
[13:23] <apachelogger> unless you know something that helps with that
[13:23] <Riddell> I don't
[13:23] <apachelogger> in ruby you can do attr_accessor :foobar and ruby will create you appropriate setter and getter functions for foobar
[13:23] <apachelogger> which would be just perfect here
[13:25] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently eclipse supports that kind of stuff ^^
[13:26] <Riddell> well it seems sensible to have some reliable way to know what you're handling
[13:26] <Riddell> eclipse?  the java IDE?
[13:26] <apachelogger> eclipse is not just java
[13:26] <apachelogger> it like a bloated plugin monster
[13:26]  * apachelogger would find something macro-based or moc based better though
[13:27] <Riddell> could you use Qt properties?
[13:27] <apachelogger> they do not create the functions unforutnately
[13:28] <apachelogger> hm, maybe boost got something
[13:34] <apachelogger> brrr
[13:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll manually write the functions
[13:34] <Riddell> might be faster to rewrite this in ruby :)
[13:35] <apachelogger> well, it is just copy'n'paste anyway ;)
[13:36] <apachelogger> but it is nice in ruby, because you can switch from auto-prototyping to manual just be replacing attr_accessor :foobar with proper getter/setter
[13:36] <apachelogger> or either of those and make an attr_reader or attr_writer :)
[13:38] <apachelogger> hm
[13:38] <apachelogger> maybe I just need readers for now anyway
[13:40] <steveire> It seems the plasma notifier doesn't work for quassel or needs to be configured. I get no notification when I am pinged.
[13:41] <Riddell> steveire: the envelope doesn't turn to an envelope with star?
[13:48]  * apachelogger wonders about the sync daemon's odd function naming
[13:51] <steveire> Sorry, network troubles here in the Berlin office. It really sucks
[13:54] <Riddell> 13:41 < Riddell> steveire: the envelope doesn't turn to an envelope with star?
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: happy birthday! (sez skype)
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so I am having doubts if we can use KStatusNotifierItem in k-n-h in KSNI's current state
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it expects to be given a qwidget it can activate when you click, and won't emit a generic clicked() signal if it does not have such a qwidget
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> this is unsuitable for cases when we, for example, call the shutdown dialog over dbus
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> it won't do the dbus call, and we get the context menu on click
[14:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: agateau might be a better person to ask about KSNI
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: we did discuss it and chase the behavior in gdb, right before the last Kubuntu council meeting
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> we didn't find a way to resolve the issue in that time (though he had to go before we had completed what we were doing)
[14:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you want it to restart on click on the ksni?
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: no, just bring up the dialog
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> run(), basically
[14:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: activateRequested?
[14:16] <apachelogger> signal from KSNI
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> right
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> brings up the context menu unless a qwidget is associated with it
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> which one cannot be when we call the restart dialog over qdbus
[14:16] <apachelogger> ohh
[14:16] <apachelogger> just set a fake widget
[14:18] <apachelogger> OTOH
[14:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how does it behave if you explicitly try to set it to 0?
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> if the QWidget is null, it opens the context menu on clickity
[14:19] <apachelogger> are you sure
[14:19] <apachelogger> because
[14:19] <apachelogger> activate()
[14:19] <apachelogger> does
[14:19] <apachelogger>     if (d->associatedWidget == d->menu) {
[14:19] <apachelogger>         d->statusNotifierItemDBus->ContextMenu(pos.x(), pos.y());
[14:19] <apachelogger>         return;
[14:19] <apachelogger>     }
[14:19] <apachelogger> which is not equal to associatedWidget == 0
[14:20] <apachelogger> and following up it does
[14:20] <apachelogger>     if (!d->associatedWidget) {
[14:20] <apachelogger>         emit activateRequested(true, pos);
[14:20] <apachelogger>         return;
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> yes, doing a m_notifierItem->setAssociatedWidget(0); and clicking opens the context menu
[14:20] <apachelogger>     }
[14:20] <apachelogger> how is that the possible?
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> that is what agateau and I were chasing through gdb
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: setting a dummy qwidget results in a toplevel window belonging to kded to appear
[14:22] <apachelogger> hide()?
[14:22] <apachelogger> hoooray
[14:22] <apachelogger> u1-kde is broken \o/
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: does not help. It is probably doing show() on the widget
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> m_notifierItem->setAssociatedWidget(0); and clicking results in the context menu being shown, and the activateRequested signal never firing
[14:26] <apachelogger> maybe the plasma thingy is at fault
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> yeah, probably. We can't use it until it is fixed at any rate
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I should push the KSNI port to a bzr branch and revert the changes from trunk until it is fixed
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> and of course file the necessary bugs with plasma, etc
[14:47] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: That or get Riddell to poke at agateau until he fixes it this week.
[14:47] <ScottK> Since they're in the same place he can provide motivation very directly.
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> heh
[14:49]  * apachelogger thinks that motivation does not really mean motivation in that sentence Oo
[14:50] <apachelogger> crash!
[14:51] <apachelogger> good thing I can still backtrace in lucid :P
[14:51] <apachelogger> is that actually working again in maverick?
[14:53]  * apachelogger waves his fist at dbus and its type system
[14:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: It should be working again.  If not, file a bug and ping kees.
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> yay for empty new queue
[14:57] <agateau> ScottK: we even share a room!
[14:57] <ScottK> agateau: Ah, so keep Riddell happy or be careful sleeping.
[14:57] <agateau> JontheEchidna: I remember this debugging session
[14:58] <agateau> JontheEchidna: stupid question: can't you put everything in a menu?
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> you mean, put a reboot button in the menu?
[14:59] <agateau> JontheEchidna: yes
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> that would be more clicks than is usually expected
[14:59] <Riddell> agateau is such a party animal he always goes to bed after me
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> if we could get away with not having to go that route, it'd be best
[15:00] <agateau> Riddell likes to try to wake me by putting his alarm at weird hours, but so far he failed, I was still coding when it beeped :)
[15:00] <agateau> JontheEchidna: it's not an action one perform very often so I don't think an additional click would be too painful
[15:00] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:00] <apachelogger> holy daft punk
[15:00] <apachelogger> now qtdbus wants to mess with me
[15:00]  * apachelogger shouldnt have waved his fist :[
[15:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: strange, without override_dh_strip the libs are still stripped
[15:01]  * ScottK imagines his threats would be working better if Riddell weren't a pacifist.
[15:03] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm a pacifist who occationally gets nuclear submarine bases shut down, I think I can control aurelien somewhat :)
[15:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: so maybe it's not building with debug at all?
[15:04] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:04] <agateau> Riddell: how did you shut down a nuclear submarine base?
[15:04]  * agateau feels like he is missing an important private joke
[15:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: grep the build log to check there's nothing else stripping it
[15:05]  * txwikinger also wants to have a nuclear submarine
[15:05] <Riddell> agateau: sat infront of the gate at shift change
[15:07] <agateau> Riddell: oh... what happened next?
[15:08] <txwikinger> Riddell: hwo comes they let you travel around in all those countries with this history?
[15:08] <Riddell> workers go home happy for a day off, protesters have a party, soviets fail to invade, uselessness of nuclear weapons proven and government disbands nuclear weapons system saving billions of pounds
[15:09] <Riddell> possibly the last one didn't work out 
[15:09] <agateau> Riddell: nice!
[15:10] <Riddell> txwikinger: I've always managed to avoid arrest, but breach of the peace is hardly an offence to stop you getting travel visas
[15:10] <txwikinger> Depends on the country Riddell
[15:10] <txwikinger> and if they have a G8/G20 in the country at the time :D
[15:11] <Riddell> G8 was in a Scotland a few years ago, nice non violent demonstration, no problems at all
[15:11] <txwikinger> rofl
[15:11]  * txwikinger saw the action on TV
[15:12] <fabo> Riddell: I merged Qt changes. I take a look to Qt Mobility.
[15:12] <txwikinger> there was more action than in Toronto a couple of weeks ago
[15:12] <Riddell> fabo: great
[15:13] <Riddell> txwikinger: did the anarchist invade?
[15:14] <txwikinger> Riddell: One day the police let them burn a couple of police cars and the next the police arrested everybody with 2 blocks of the fence indiscriminately
[15:15] <txwikinger> Nobody talks about the anarchists, just about the erratic behaviour of the police
[15:15] <Riddell> the anarchist during the G8 in Scotland ran KDE, nice bunch, no car burning
[15:19] <txwikinger> Before the G8/G20 here, the police visited all the known anarchists and warned hem 
[15:19] <txwikinger> them
[15:19] <txwikinger> And I can imagine border patrol did not let a lot of them through the border coming in
[15:23] <ScottK> Riddell: I just fixed the milestones for Bug #578215. Would you please talk to pitti about getting it copied over and included in 10.04.1?
[15:30] <Quintasan> Riddell: it is being stripped by dh_strip, though my rules do not contain dh
[15:30] <Quintasan> dh_strip
[15:30] <Quintasan> hmm
[15:34] <debfx> Quintasan: you need to add an empty override target if you don't want it to be run
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you add your accounts now? or it still a problem?
[15:35] <fabo> Riddell: hal b-d ?
[15:36]  * shadeslayer lol's reading subject of mail
[15:36] <shadeslayer>  List of absent students those who are absent << hahaha
[15:53] <Quintasan> debfx: hmm thanks, I'll need to learn some more complicated dh magic
[15:54] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[15:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: where are your rules file?
[16:01] <jussi> does anyone here actually install kde-full? I did it the other day, its amazing to see some of the applications that never make it to the cd, but are very cool in themselves (including some I never knew existed)
[16:02] <al> ii  kde-full             5:55ubuntu1          the K Desktop Environment official modules
[16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I can't add accounts using choqok from the archive
[16:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whats the issue? authentication?
[16:04] <Riddell> fabo: I don't think qtmobility needs a hal build-dep, it's a runtime dep looking at the code (although the docs suggest it might be a build-dep, it almost certainly isn't)
[16:04] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720150336-8cq89eqxt952lhfn * src/ (15 files in 3 dirs) this change is so epic it gave me a headache ... share++ syncdaemonshares++ improve all sorts of stuff and magic and whatnot... actually I lost track megachanges--
[16:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bah, restarted and now it works
[16:05] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:05] <Riddell> in Accounts in the config dialogue the Add button had an empty menu
[16:05] <Riddell> now it lists Twitter and StatusNet
[16:05] <shadeslayer> yeah that happens sometimes here too
[16:06] <shadeslayer> quite randomn
[16:06] <Riddell> seems like a nasty issue
[16:06] <shadeslayer> hehe.. i cant reproduce it with svn choqok tho
[16:06] <shadeslayer> so it might have been fixed
[16:06] <Riddell> ok, maybe it's sorted
[16:06] <shadeslayer> thanks for oauth upload ;)
[16:07] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720150703-m7ipeqjhy21g668x * src/libs/ (SyncDaemonConfig.cpp SyncDaemonConfig.h) duplication--
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: another nast issue is that when you copy stuff from kate -> close kate -> try to paste , you have a empty clipboard
[16:07] <shadeslayer> *nasty
[16:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe kservice related?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> ( im not using klipper btw )
[16:08] <apachelogger> supposedly twitter & status.net are plugins
[16:09] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720150918-2qsg9h37gf97rlaz * src/libs/SyncDaemonConfig.cpp debug--
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea how to fix a lintian lzma-deb-archive error?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> google seems to return foobar...
[16:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ignore it
[16:11] <Riddell> ubuntu archive handles lzma fine
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: debian will kill me over one lintian error :P
[16:12] <shadeslayer> itll eventually come to ubuntu :D
[16:12] <Riddell> I thought Debian handled lzma fine too, in which case it's just lintian being out of date
[16:12] <shadeslayer> uh.. im on maverick.. how can it be out of date ^_^
[16:12] <shadeslayer> and i only changed one thing,renamed source package
[16:13] <shadeslayer> it was fine earlier
[16:13] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720151349-4p2kgvk7bw53vb28 * src/libs/SyncDaemonStatus.cpp debug--
[16:15] <shadeslayer> brrr... now system settings refuses to update my login image :S
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh... lintian doesnt complain when running debuild -S -sa , but i get that error when i run just debuild
[16:20]  * apachelogger makes a smiley face
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: debuild -S only makes a source package, lintian won't be run when doing that and there's no binary package to have lzma compression
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: I just found a perfect use case for the KCM ... manage what folders to sync ;)
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ohhkk .. but can that lintian error be fixed in anyway?
[16:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's not an error
[16:23] <Riddell> it's lintian being out of date
[16:23] <shadeslayer> i mean warning 
[16:23] <Riddell> you can override it
[16:24] <shadeslayer> debian has 2.4.2 too as well :P
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so, I've ported k-n-h, kubuntu-debug-installer and kubuntu-firefox-installer to qapt-batch. A week from tomorrow I plan on releasing a new QApt beta, whereupon I shall freeze LibQApt's API and add a .symbols file to the packaging. Afterwords, I'll write up an MIR for LibQApt and, once approved, upload all three applications
[16:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: and the best thing is that the gnome stuff does not provide that feature ;)
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> all 3 ports are in bzr
[16:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you make libqapt useful to kdi? :P
[16:26] <apachelogger> those dirty dpkg queries make me not want to look at the code
[16:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it doesnt? afaik all the stuff you put in ~/UbuntuOne is syncd and then you can sync extra folders from outside the default folder
[16:26] <apachelogger> which is counter productive to improvmenet ^^
[16:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: gnome doesn't let you sync other folders? or has no UI for it?
[16:27] <apachelogger> it does not have a central UI to manage it
[16:27] <apachelogger> you can only do it via the file manager
[16:27] <shadeslayer> yeah thats true
[16:27] <apachelogger> which I imagine is a PITA if you have > 3 folders
[16:27] <shadeslayer> right click > Sync folder to Ubuntu One
[16:27] <apachelogger> and totally cheap to implement from what I see
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, libqapt could unfuglify some things
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it would increase RAM overhead, though since gdb dwarfs that I don't think it'll be of too much concern
[16:28] <claydoh> apachelogger: omg you rock (as usual) - I just noticed the fancy ubuntuone-kde satus icon telling me what is syncing
[16:29] <apachelogger> ack
[16:29] <apachelogger> looks a bit silly right now though :)
[16:29]  * claydoh likes it
[16:29] <fabo> Riddell: that's exactly what I'm thinking but you have added hal b-d in your debdiff
[16:29] <apachelogger> with long paths the default tooltip size causes ugly breaks
[16:30] <fabo> Riddell: Qt Mobility changes merged except the hal b-d ;)
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: might be a good excuse to write a "find package by file name" function in libqapt ;)
[16:30] <apachelogger> more interesting is how I shall get the share wizard build with 4.4 considering the contacts model/view was only introduced in 4.5
[16:30] <claydoh> apachelogger: haven't noticed that yet 
[16:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: righto and get better algorithms so you do not eat my ramz :P
[16:31] <claydoh> tooltips thatt is
[16:31] <apachelogger> tooltips are awesome
[16:31] <Riddell> fabo: hmm, so I did, silly me
[16:31] <apachelogger> they are non-invasive so also ScottK can use them
[16:31] <apachelogger> and yet if you desire information you can get it
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: that all APT implementations have to MMap pkgcache.bin means that they absolutely have to consume 14 MiB
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> no way of getting around that with APT I'm afraid
[16:33] <apachelogger> how about introducing a central package information storage for KDE using postgresql and then have agents sync resources of your service with the pkgcache? 
[16:34] <apachelogger> fancy
[16:34] <apachelogger> so I have ~/folder/nestedfolder
[16:34] <apachelogger> and I marked the nestedfolder to sync with u1
[16:34] <apachelogger> what u1 does is mark the path itself
[16:35] <apachelogger> which is probably a good idea
[16:35] <apachelogger> BUT
[16:35] <claydoh> one more dtabase to bog down my ancient hardware :(
[16:35] <JontheEchidna> this is probably the best case scenario for RAMz consumption: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoput9870
[16:35] <apachelogger> now my ubuntu machine I get a contextmenu for the folder (my ubuntu machine will mimic ~/folder/nestedfolder ... obviously folder will not contain anything else)
[16:35] <apachelogger> in that contextmenu I can mark folder as to be synced
[16:36] <apachelogger> and here I find it confusing that it is indeed duplicating the folder structure
[16:36] <apachelogger> all the more so if you have folder existing on two machines and mark nestedfolder to sync on one and then mark folder to sync from the other...
[16:37] <apachelogger> claydoh: exactly :D
[16:37] <apachelogger> the more databases the better!
[16:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you also have a 13mib heap right there
[16:37] <claydoh> :(
[16:38] <apachelogger> is that pkgcache in your heap? :
[16:38] <apachelogger> P
[16:38] <claydoh> i will have to resort to a life of crime to be able to keep up 
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I would assume that they are separate. k-d-i's heap usage will likely be smaller due to less GUI
[16:39] <apachelogger> but that is a lot of heap for the gui IMHO
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> I could run massif on it
[16:40] <apachelogger> massif-visualizer is awesome :)
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> a bit slow, but yeah :)
[16:40]  * apachelogger open gnome-terminal and is all shocked by its color
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> oo, never re-installed it after my kubuntu reinstall the other week
[16:41] <apachelogger> nautilus does not want to let me sync ~/folder on the ubuntu machine
[16:41]  * JontheEchidna builds
[16:41] <apachelogger> !!!
[16:41] <apachelogger> meh.
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> /home/jonathan/src/massif-visualizer/massif-visualizer/kdchart/src/KDChartAbstractProxyModel.cpp:77: warning: dereferencing pointer ‘hack’ does break strict-aliasing rules
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> ^lol
[16:42] <apachelogger> hack++
[16:42] <apachelogger> aha!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:42] <apachelogger> FolderCreateError: UDFs can not be nested (path=/home/me/folder)
[16:42] <apachelogger> there you have it
[16:43] <apachelogger> they do no even support the twisted logic but allow the user to invoke the command in the UI and then fail without feedback
[16:44] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: I was thinking about adding a dialog like amarok has for its collection folder selection
[16:45] <apachelogger> that way users can easily mark folders for sync
[16:45] <apachelogger> also it makes not having proper dolphin integration half as bad I suppose
[16:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I agree
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> !find boost/throw_exception.hpp
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> hmm, guess I hadn't installed boost yet either
[16:53] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: kongrats!!  :D
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ( re /topic ;) )
[16:54] <Riddell> Nightrose hasn't been online all day, maybe she's away enjoying her birthday
[16:55] <Sput> or working.
[16:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you messed up my ktorrent :S
[16:56]  * shadeslayer shoots Quintasan with Qt
[16:57] <shadeslayer> shadeslayer@kubuntu:~$ ktorrent
[16:57] <shadeslayer> The program 'ktorrent' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[16:57] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[16:57] <shadeslayer> and then theres more !
[16:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://pastebin.ca/1904545
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: what does muon say if you try to install it. (Wanting to make sure it is nearly the same)
[16:59]  * shadeslayer hides
[16:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: clean install.. yet to install muon :P
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[17:00] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720160022-f81cyh2njlnwpvv6 * src/kcmodule/ (5 files) get started on a foldermodel and a selectionwidget ... treeview pending
[17:04] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720160351-afcw7wibyv29awwn * src/kcmodule/ (FolderTreeView.cpp FolderTreeView.h CMakeLists.txt) on second thought a stock treeview should do? oh well, cant hurt...
[17:06] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ktorrent-data (= ${source:Version}), << does that look right?
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> yes
[17:07] <shadeslayer> well.. that last = breaks ktorrent for me ^_^
[17:07] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: muon complains :S
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> amd64?
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: good
[17:07] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> ok, so what's happened is that ktorrent-data is arch-all and hasn't been published on i386 yet
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> since arch-all packages are only built on i386
[17:08] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> should autoresolve eventually, Quintasan is in no way at fault
[17:08] <shadeslayer> hehe... sorry Quintasan :P
[17:08] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: but 32 bit seems to be build
[17:08] <shadeslayer> *built
[17:08] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/4.0.2-1ubuntu1/+build/1879716
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> build != published to your mirror
[17:09] <JontheEchidna> *built
[17:09] <shadeslayer> using main mirror
[17:10] <yofel> even LP needs a while to publish things to a.u.c
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main ktorrent-data 4.0.2-1ubuntu1 [733kB]
[17:12] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720161239-c85tngv84f6iv6hp * src/kcmodule/ (5 files) fix build + add to kcm (in most ugly manner, that thingy will get a tab for sure ;))
[17:13] <shadeslayer> still dont have it :/
[17:13]  * Quintasan hits shadeslayer with banhammer
[17:13] <shadeslayer> main archive hates me :P
[17:13]  * shadeslayer runs 
[17:14]  * Quintasan gets his rusty musket and loads a silver bullet
[17:14]  * Quintasan shoots shadeslayer 
[17:14] <shadeslayer> you miss :P
[17:15]  * yofel taps Quintasan on the shoulder and notes that he forgot the black powder..
[17:15]  * shadeslayer grabs kevlar...
[17:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: sudo make uninstall musket :p
[17:16] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: uh quick question
[17:16] <shadeslayer> debian-changes-0.9.55a-0ubuntu2 << is that a change you introduced?
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> for what?
[17:17] <shadeslayer> seems so.. http://pastebin.ca/1904563
[17:17] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1152284 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp There is no reason to cache the default candidate version. Calculating it when needed is perfectly doable. Saves around 1.3 MiB heap.
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ^
[17:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: choqok
[17:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: siver bullets shoot through kevlar
[17:17] <Quintasan> you bloody demon!
[17:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: :*
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i uninstalled musket :P
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> <3 massif
[17:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: shadeslayer is no in sudoers file
[17:17] <Quintasan> not*
[17:17] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[17:18]  * shadeslayer dies
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that would be pkg-kde-tools's old l10n stuff mucking things up there
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> uh
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> now see
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> that is really annoying
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> one does not quit while trying to get info about a package change from a person
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> :/
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> *sigh*
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> [12:18:16] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that would be pkg-kde-tools's old l10n stuff mucking things up there
[17:19] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> feel free to destroy it
[17:19] <shadeslayer> goodie
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> pkg-kde-tools shouldn't fiddle with that anymore since apachelogger fixed it
[17:21] <shadeslayer> btw suppose theres a spelling error in changelog,should i fix that?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you sponsor choqok, if your free?
[17:25]  * apachelogger is doing work
[17:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna is leet dev too ^^
[17:27] <shadeslayer> ok kool
[17:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ^^
[17:27]  * shadeslayer didnt know :P
[17:27] <shadeslayer> just running through pbuilder
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you can now use OAuth authentication with new version of choqok ^_^
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ( if JtE sponsors upload )
[17:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is that better than normal authentication?
[17:28] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:28] <shadeslayer> much much better
[17:28] <shadeslayer> also everyone is going to switch to that in the next few months
[17:29]  * apachelogger copies stuff from amarok \\o/
[17:29] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[17:29] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[17:29] <shadeslayer> omg...
[17:29] <apachelogger> now
[17:29] <apachelogger> what is wrong with HTTP authentication?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> ill break choqok build if JTE uploads it :S
[17:30] <shadeslayer> since .. libqoauth-dev is not in main :/
[17:30] <apachelogger> everyone must use oauth for some obscure reason
[17:30]  * shadeslayer goes to file MIR
[17:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its your archive day right?
[17:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, any requests?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> yeah... qoauth :P
[17:32] <shadeslayer> i need it to merge choqok :P
[17:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bug number?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> im yet to file one.. doing right now
[17:35] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: \o
[17:35] <sheytan_> shadeslayer hi :)
[17:37] <sheytan_> shadeslayer wanna see the new version of kubuntu home pge? :D
[17:38] <debfx> Riddell: the qtwebkit-source packages are in the archive so you can remove qtwebkit
[17:38] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: please :D
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bug 607864
[17:38] <sheytan_> shadeslayer theres only one problem. The image i used here i don't know if i have premissions. Already asked the autor ;)
[17:39] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[17:39] <shadeslayer> as long as its under GPL :P
[17:39] <shadeslayer> or a similar license
[17:41] <shadeslayer> lol : http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/07/rumor_apple_to_charge_for_ios_4_upgrade_for_ipad.html
[17:43] <shadeslayer> hmm.. seems to be down :/
[17:43] <sheytan_> shadeslayer the old one to compare: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1397/basea.jpg
[17:43] <sheytan_> and new one http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/2390/basetest.jpg
[17:43] <claydoh> should we really be running strigi on the livecd session?  I know i have old crap hardware, it seems to be a bit much to run off of a cd-r
[17:44] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: uh.. is that image upside down? ^_^
[17:45] <shadeslayer> shouldnt the hand be at the bottom holding the world? :P
[17:45] <sheytan_> shadeslayer no, i cant find other one so far ;d
[17:45]  * shadeslayer feels this image says : Kubuntu World domination :D
[17:45] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: make one ? :P
[17:45] <jjesse> those images are cool
[17:46] <sheytan_> shadeslayer it's hard :D But when i will not find a cool one, or they will be with evil licenses, then i'll make one :D
[17:46] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:46] <sheytan_> shadeslayer anyway, which one/
[17:46] <sheytan_> ?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> oh sorry
[17:52] <shadeslayer> was afk for a bit :P
[17:52] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: the second one definitely 
[17:53] <sheytan_> shadeslayer :D
[17:53] <sheytan_> yeah :D
[17:53] <shadeslayer> only.. the image needs re doing ;P
[17:53] <sheytan_> now waiting for ofir ;)
[17:53] <sheytan_> i had nice one, but it had some transparent text that was hard to cut :(
[17:54] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw kdevelop 4.1 was announced on kde-packager,but is yet to be put on ftp.kde 
[18:00] <shadeslayer>   libqt4-webkit-dev: Depends: libqt4-webkit (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed. << should that resolve by itself too?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> i get that in pbuilder
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: where is choqok?
[18:03] <yofel> shadeslayer: hm... "Make libqtwebkit-dev provide/replace/conflict libqt4-webkit-dev"
[18:03] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: uh what? :P
[18:03] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: you did want me to sponsor it, yes?
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> even leet devs need a lunch break ;)
[18:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: right,but im trying it out in pbuilder
[18:04] <shadeslayer> but thats when i got libqt4-webkit-dev: Depends: libqt4-webkit (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed. 
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: usually one does not ask for a sponsor, unless there is something to sponsor
[18:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i know,but i didnt expect it to fail
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: change that to libqtwebkit-dev
[18:05] <shadeslayer> i have a debdiff ready..
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:05] <shadeslayer> no such thing in build dep
[18:06] <shadeslayer> which means something else pulls it in
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs5-dev
[18:07] <shadeslayer> i think  its pkg-kde-tools :P
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> no: Depends: perl, libdpkg-perl (>= 1.15.6~), python
[18:08] <shadeslayer> perl? 
[18:08] <shadeslayer> ah yess
[18:10] <shadeslayer> now how to fix that .... 
[18:11] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: also qouath will have to be moved to main , already asked Riddell to do that
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: around? got some info for you
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://wiki.debian.org/DebugPackage
[18:27] <shadeslayer> try that dh magic.. or do you want me to do it? :P
[18:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: we already tried all of that
[18:28] <shadeslayer> ohh ok
[18:28] <shadeslayer> whats the problem?
[18:28] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1152312 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add packageForFile() for looking up a package given an installed file.
[18:29] <yofel> shadeslayer: the -dbg package is has a size of 1.2kB
[18:29] <yofel> -is
[18:29] <shadeslayer> hahah :P
[18:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: wheres the rules file?
[18:30] <yofel> you'll have to ask Quintasan that
[18:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: why do we need line 33 of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/qt-ubuntu/annotate/head:/rules
[18:39] <shadeslayer> any ideas?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: also.. you did not add .PHONY: override_dh_strip
[18:41] <shadeslayer> override_dh_strip:
[18:41] <shadeslayer>         dh_strip --dbg-package=giblib1-dbg
[18:41] <yofel> er, launchpad shows the branch as last updated 5 days ago, I doubt that's the rules file he's currently using
[18:42] <shadeslayer> well.. s/giblib1-dgb/project-neon-qt-dbg
[18:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can you show us your new rules file?
[18:52]  * shadeslayer rolls over and dies
[18:53] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental << choqok in that ppa,still building
[18:53] <yofel> what happend now? ^^
[18:53] <shadeslayer> also you need QOauth in main before you upload
[18:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: pbuilder == st00pid
[18:53] <shadeslayer> ppa++
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/NYF0ifnW
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: increases heap size by 4.5 MiB, plus the 14 MiB for pkgcache.bin mmaping
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> but, there are no more dpkg calls whatsoever
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> in fact, no more QFile::exists() calls either
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> shall I commit?
[19:11] <shadeslayer> if i use SIGNAL and SLOT in Qt which header file am i supposed to use?
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> none, if you are already including any Qt header, just about
[19:13] <shadeslayer> hmm.. then i got something wrong ... :/
[19:14] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1904645 << make complains and my code http://pastebin.ca/1904648
[19:17] <shadeslayer> ok fixed one error i could see... the argv should be argv[]
[19:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: that should be 'SIGNAL(valueChanged(int))' I think
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> probably because you aren't parenting any of your widgets
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> new QSpinBox; would only work if you were inside a class
[19:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: which line?
[19:18] <yofel> brackets are wrong
[19:18] <yofel> 15 and 17
[19:18] <shadeslayer> right
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> should be int main(int argc, char **argv)
[19:19] <yofel> like that you're passing it 3 arguments, not one (as make says)
[19:19] <yofel> JontheEchidna: what's the kubuntu convention for that? **argv?
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> that's what kapptemplate generates, so I guess
[19:20] <yofel> ok (just wondering as *argv[] would work too)
[19:20] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1904653 << now
[19:20] <shadeslayer> code : http://pastebin.ca/1904654
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> wouldn't that create a pointer to an empty argv?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> well.. i sorta changed the kode noq
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> ah, nevermind, of course it would :P
[19:21] <shadeslayer> make errors http://pastebin.ca/1904656
[19:21] <shadeslayer> brrr
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> QHboxLayout is a typo
[19:22] <shadeslayer> what should it be?
[19:22] <JontheEchidna> QHBoxLayout
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ohh
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[19:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: and one bracket too much in line 18
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: fixed that a sec ago
[19:23] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1904659
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> another typo
[19:23] <shadeslayer> where? :D
[19:23]  * shadeslayer is new.. as you can tell
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> ../src/tmp.cpp:20
[19:24] <shadeslayer> ahh
[19:24] <shadeslayer> QHBoxLayout again
[19:24] <JontheEchidna> right
[19:24] <shadeslayer> whee
[19:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yofel http://imgur.com/iP5Br
[19:25] <shadeslayer> \o/
[19:25] <yofel> oh, that tutorial app :D
[19:25] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[19:25] <shadeslayer> i have the qt+C++ book thingy
[19:26] <shadeslayer> i typed the whole thing by myself to see what mistakes i do :P
[19:26] <yofel> I do that too usually
[19:26] <shadeslayer> im reading 5 pages daily... this is a 900 page book :S
[19:27] <shadeslayer> thats 3 months :P
[19:27]  * shadeslayer skips description.. i know what it does
[19:28] <shadeslayer> now.. lets see if i can make it horizontal
[19:28] <shadeslayer> w00t
[19:29] <shadeslayer> s/horizontal/vertical
[19:58] <shadeslayer> off for a while...cya
[20:57] <apachelogger> re
[20:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if it works
[20:58] <apachelogger> though I dislike the comments on the includes :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> they are pretty obvious :P
[21:04] <Quintasan> whew
[21:04] <Quintasan> my legs
[21:05]  * Quintasan was skateboarding for 10 hours
[21:06] <Quintasan> debfx: I have override_dh_strip: <nothing here> and it is still stripped @_@
[21:06] <yofel> Quintasan: the log shows dh_strip running? o.O
[21:07] <Quintasan> grepping
[21:07] <Quintasan> but as I see it then it probably is
[21:07] <Quintasan>    # Skipping dh_strip - empty override
[21:07] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:08] <Quintasan> but before that
[21:08] <Quintasan> I get lines like
[21:08] <Quintasan> strip "/tmp/buildd/project-neon-qt-1.0+1200~ppa1/debian/tmp//opt/project-neon/bin/qtconfig"
[21:08] <Quintasan> wth
[21:08] <yofel> o.O
[21:08] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/WSbB46Ci
[21:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^ 
[21:08] <yofel> when he gets back..
[21:08] <Quintasan> output of cat last_operation.log | grep strip
[21:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^^^
[21:09] <Quintasan> What on earth might be stripping it?
[21:10]  * apachelogger yawns like a lion
[21:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: get to work
[21:10] <Quintasan> :P
[21:11] <apachelogger>  6 files changed, 171 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
[21:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Id like to see you do that :P
[21:11] <Quintasan> I'm doing PN now
[21:11] <Quintasan> :P
[21:13] <apachelogger> lots of progress :P
[21:14]  * apachelogger is way too tired
[21:15] <apachelogger> and there is a bug
[21:15] <apachelogger> well, technically not a bug, because the bug is elsewhere and it causes a flux which looks like a bug
[21:15] <Quintasan> in what?
[21:19] <apachelogger> ubuntuone-statusnotifier
[21:19] <apachelogger> well, again, technically in python-twisted
[21:21] <Quintasan> >python
[21:21] <Quintasan> :/
[21:22] <Quintasan> hmm, after configuring
[21:22] <Quintasan> the log shows no info about debugging libs
[21:23] <Quintasan> maybe -no-separate-debug-info is not working with kde-qt
[21:23] <Quintasan> I'll ask in kde-devel
[21:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: around?
[21:27] <shadeslayer> brr... no JTE
[21:27] <yofel> yes
[21:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: intrested in a merge?
[21:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: yakuake needs merging from debian,if you want to have a look
[21:28] <yofel> sure, you'll have to help me a lot though
[21:28] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:28] <shadeslayer> not today.. im busy the whole week :(
[21:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can you help out yofel?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: its quite simple actually,download debian package,download ubuntu package and see what ubuntu changes can be dropped
[21:29] <yofel> well, I know that much, fetching the sources already ;)
[21:29] <shadeslayer> and which need to be retained > apply ubuntu changes to debian package > document everything in changelog
[21:30] <shadeslayer> and then catch hold of ari-tczew for sponsoring ^_^
[21:30] <shadeslayer> meanwhile.. testers needed
[21:30] <shadeslayer> fixed bug 331192 in my ppa
[21:31] <shadeslayer> blurg
[21:31] <shadeslayer> wrong version uploaded :/
[21:31] <shadeslayer> also ftbfs
[21:33] <shadeslayer>   kdepimlibs5-dev: Depends: kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.4.0) but it is not going to be installed << what fun
[21:33] <yofel> heh
[21:34] <Quintasan> strange
[21:34] <Quintasan> configure says Debug.... no
[21:34] <Quintasan> :/
[21:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: 0_o
[21:34] <Quintasan> wth
[21:34] <yofel> o.O
[21:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: wrong options parsed to configure?
[21:35] <Quintasan> configure would throw FTBFSes at me
[21:35]  * shadeslayer goes to check
[21:36] <debfx> Quintasan: where is the rules file?
[21:37] <Quintasan> debfx: well, on my computer :P
[21:37] <Quintasan> trying with debug now
[21:37] <debfx> ^^
[21:37] <Quintasan> it's clearly configure's fault
[21:37] <Quintasan> for not enabling debug
[21:37] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:37] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: me for sponsoring? o_O
[21:38]  * shadeslayer thought ari-tczew was in MOTU
[21:38] <shadeslayer> apparently not ^_^
[21:38] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: not yet, but who knows :)
[21:38] <apachelogger> hmmm
[21:38] <shadeslayer> hehe 
[21:38] <shadeslayer> then grab Quintasan :P
[21:38] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: how did the kadu merge go?
[21:38] <apachelogger> something tells me that making the kcm inherit from an ui was no good idea at all
[21:39] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: because patch was excellent.
[21:40] <Quintasan> well, ari-tczew, something prevented me from building it
[21:40] <Quintasan> I don't know why it wouldn't build
[21:40] <Quintasan> it applied just fine
[21:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+build/1881681 << is there anything i can do to fix that?
[21:40] <Quintasan> I was getting ftbfs on rules
[21:40] <apachelogger> yay
[21:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/6_y2GR6f.html my first model \o/
[21:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why gray out folders that are to be synced?
[21:41] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: I know, that you're not expierenced with merging packages. Don't worry. :)
[21:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you cannot unset the Ubuntu One folder obviously
[21:42] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: I have no problems with merging, but if something is not building in pbuilder then it is not mine fault
[21:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aaahhh...
[21:42] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: maybe you can take a look on bug 607957?
[21:42] <shadeslayer> see thats why im not a dev right now
[21:42] <shadeslayer> anyways.. im off to sleep
[21:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any hints on that ftbfs?
[21:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: supposedly a dep of kdelibs5-dev is broken
[21:43] <shadeslayer> :/
[21:44] <shadeslayer> ill look at that tommorow then
[21:54] <Quintasan> grr
[21:54] <Quintasan> that m-o-m is crap
[21:55] <Quintasan> hmm
[21:55] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: turns out -debug was needed additionally
[21:55] <Quintasan> stupid imo
[21:57] <yofel> Quintasan, ari-tczew: need some help with the yakuake patch for the desktop file. I know we somehow strip translations, but I'm still not sure what to do with it.. patch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466664/   OLD .desktop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466663/ NEW .desktop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466662/
[22:02] <ari-tczew> yofel: you have to update a patch kubuntu_01_clean_desktop_file.patch
[22:03] <yofel> yes, I know a bit about quilt, but I don't really understand how that patch applied in the first place
[22:05] <ari-tczew> yofel: I create a patches in the following way: create a dir (mkdir command e.g.) called "diff", go to diff directory and unpack *.orig* tarball there. change name outputed folder to yakuake-2.9.7.orig
[22:05] <Quintasan> yofel: check the buildlog, I think it just found the lines offset and applied the changes
[22:06] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: with quilt you do not need to do that
[22:06] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: hmm?
[22:06] <Quintasan> just quilt crate <patch name>
[22:06] <Quintasan> create*
[22:07] <Quintasan> quilt add <files to be modified>
[22:07] <Quintasan> modify the files
[22:07] <Quintasan> quilt refresh
[22:08] <ari-tczew> yhy, I'll check it with next occasion
[22:08] <yofel> what I don't understand is, the original reason for the patch was "Added debian/patches/kubuntu_01_clean_desktop_file.patch to add a GenericName entry to the .desktop file". But the desktop file here already has a GenericName
[22:08] <Quintasan> yofel: it is there before patching?
[22:09] <Quintasan> yofel: just to make sure, go to source dir
[22:09] <yofel> ... let me check
[22:09] <Quintasan> ln -s debian/patches patches
[22:09] <Quintasan> quilt pop -a
[22:10] <yofel> $ quilt pop -a
[22:10] <yofel> No patch removed
[22:10] <Quintasan> great
[22:10] <yofel> and if I push, I get this file
[22:10] <Quintasan> now check the desktop file
[22:11] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/466670/ (after quilt push -a)
[22:11] <yofel> 2 GenericNames
[22:12] <yofel> the patch applies, but I don't get the point of it
[22:13] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: why the hell did u make me try the ent sync when someone did that?
[22:13] <Quintasan> FFFFF
[22:13] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: where was info?
[22:13] <Quintasan> 1.1debian-1.1
[22:14] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ent
[22:14] <Quintasan> Uploaded 13 minutes ago
[22:16] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: why you didn't look at date? 22:42 I asked you for sync (nobody else), 22:53 bdrung took a sponsoring (sorry, my email box was closed, I didn't know)
[22:17] <Quintasan> well, I was about to upload that
[22:17] <yofel> so, should I import the patch (it applies fine) or drop it?
[22:18] <Quintasan> yofel: So, the desktop file BEFORE patching has this GenericName or not?
[22:19] <yofel> Quintasan: the desktop file BEFORE has "GenericName=Drop-down Terminal" the one AFTER patching, has "GenericName=Drop-down Terminal" AND "GenericName=Quake-style Terminal" (latter from the patch)
[22:20] <Quintasan> hmm
[22:20] <Quintasan> I think you can drop the patch
[22:20] <Quintasan> less changes from upstream the better
[22:21] <Quintasan> blame me if something goes horribly wrong
[22:21] <Quintasan> :P
[22:22] <yofel> ok, /usr/share/applications/kde4/yakuake.desktop has "GenericName=Drop-down Terminal" so I'll drop it, I don't get how that file is stripped anyway...
[22:25] <yofel> ok, last thing
[22:26] <yofel> the ubuntu changelog says "- Keep updated yakuake homepage" and has "Homepage: http://yakuake.kde.org/" while debian has "Homepage: http://extragear.kde.org/apps/yakuake/" but yakuake.kde.org only has one large icon that directs you to e.kde.org/apps/yakuake/ - use the link from debian?
[22:26] <Quintasan> yofel: go on :P
[22:27] <Quintasan> yofel: yes, keep debians link since the new site is under construction, and the site from debian links to kde-apps
[22:28] <Quintasan> we generally want all Debian's changes unless there are some specific ones we can't drop
[22:28] <Quintasan> yofel: to keep the differencies between the packages to minimal
[22:29]  * Quintasan <3 Amarok 2 Remote on his Milestone
[22:29] <Quintasan> I had hoped to get Qt built before midnight
[22:30] <Quintasan> but it seems impossible :P
[22:34] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720213336-jeh90p9ipjn7xmq2 * src/libs/ (10 files in 2 dirs) codemonkey++ ... folder++ used in syncdaemonfolders++ (obviously becoming an interface to the folder stuff), cleanup and enhance appropriately
[22:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: why do you always do complete rebuilds?
[22:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: is it possbile not to do it with pbuilder? O_O
[22:35] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720213511-yk8jtb8elismihee * src/kcmodule/FolderTreeView.cpp fix my treeview sizing!
[22:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you could just build it outside pbuilder?
[22:36] <apachelogger> or make the build deliberately fail so you drop to a pbuilder shell and can continue messing with it manually
[22:36] <apachelogger> or just log into the pbuilder and start the build all together manually
[22:36] <apachelogger> then just rebuild with -nc
[22:36] <apachelogger> (and appropriate debhelper files removed ;))
[22:36] <Quintasan> well, too late for now but I will do so if stripiing wont work now
[22:36] <Quintasan> damn it
[22:37] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720213732-olxgzgo0nt6slvb3 * src/kcmodule/ (FolderModel.cpp FolderModel.h) model, with loads of usless junk to just have something working to play with
[22:38] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720213800-qm1ukcgis3yft4le * src/kcmodule/FolderSelectionWidget.cpp update the widget (a bit)
[22:52] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720215204-vztz7rivenmtqzvc * src/kcmodule/ (FolderTreeView.cpp Module.cpp Module.ui) add to nice and cosy module (tab names pending) + make view more beautiful by hiding the header
[22:53] <yofel> Quintasan: ok, I should be finished, bulids fine locally and in pbuilder lucid (pbuilder mav barfs kdelibs -> qtwebkit dep)
[22:56] <Quintasan> yofel: wasn't qtwebkit uploaded?
[22:56] <yofel> I'll need to switch mirrors then
[23:01] <yofel> Quintasan: fails even with main: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466684/
[23:01] <Quintasan> yofel: well, do not treat me as some sort of never-wrong oracle, I think it was uploaded
[23:01] <Quintasan> :P
[23:01] <Quintasan> yofel: why =?
[23:01] <Quintasan> and not <=
[23:02] <yofel> no idea, it's thanks to libqtwebkit-dev replacing libqt4-webkit-dev 
[23:03] <Quintasan> yofel: try chaning that = to <= maybe it will work
[23:03] <yofel> Quintasan: errr. you do realize that it says "libqt4-webkit-dev: Depends: libqt4-webkit (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1)" --- that's not within my powers to change
[23:04] <yofel> yakuake depends on kdelibs5-dev which wants webkit for some reason but can't get it
[23:05] <Quintasan> yofel: why you can't change that, it's in control isn't it?
[23:06] <Quintasan> =  4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1 make it want ONLY 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1
[23:06] <yofel> sure, let me rebuild kde4libs and get back to you..
[23:06] <Quintasan> and the log says that 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2 is going to be installed
[23:09] <yofel> Quintasan: the problem is that libqt4-webkit-dev doesn't exist in the new package anymore and is replaced by libqtwebkit-dev. libqt4-webkit is only a transitional package now
[23:10] <Quintasan> mm
[23:11] <Quintasan> beats me how to solve it then
[23:11] <Quintasan> can you try removing libqt4-webkit and explictly make libqtwebkit-dev a dependency?
[23:12] <yofel> Quintasan: sure, as soon as you give me upload rights for kde4libs, as that's what needs to be fixed
[23:15] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm just a humble MOTU, no access to main :)
[23:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^
[23:15] <Quintasan> what needs to be done to solve that?
[23:16] <Quintasan> yofel: at least we know it builds fine :P
[23:19] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:19] <apachelogger> this is totally darth vader
[23:21]  * Quintasan is going to play HoN
[23:22] <yofel> Quintasan: here's the package btw. http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/yakuake/
[23:46]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger nigelb Riddell Quintasan shadeslayer
[23:46] <Nightrose> thanks guys :)
[23:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: i'm enjoying it very very much ;-)
[23:46] <Nightrose> at oscon atm in portland
[23:46] <Nightrose> it's awesome
[23:46] <Nightrose> didn't check irc and mail for a while...
[23:47] <CIA-33> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100720224637-kp1jlbthhx1ubrke * src/libs/ (Folder.cpp Share.cpp SyncDaemonStatus.cpp) Holy french fries, what moron wrote those marshaling functions?!?!?
[23:47] <nigelb> I did wonder about the source of a ping from here :d
[23:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I might remind you that going to portalnd without me is even worse than shopping without me
[23:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :(
[23:48] <Nightrose> *hug*
[23:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: but i'm with jeff here!
[23:48] <Nightrose> and valorie!
[23:48] <Nightrose> and and and
[23:48] <Nightrose> you should be here too
[23:50] <apachelogger> but I am not, which is the problem really
[23:50]  * apachelogger misses the Nightrose :(
[23:52]  * Nightrose misses the apachelogger too
[23:56] <apachelogger> Nightrose: is your host behaving himself?
[23:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: complicated question ;-)
[23:57] <apachelogger> is it?
[23:57] <apachelogger> :O
[23:57] <Nightrose> jep jep ;-)
[23:57] <apachelogger> what are you doing over there? Oo
[23:57] <apachelogger> oh dear....
[23:57] <apachelogger> #influde
[23:58] <Nightrose> Oo
[23:58] <apachelogger> in alphabet does f come before e or after? Oo
[23:58]  * apachelogger might be near to falling asleep while typing