[00:10] i have been using lxde lately and i like it. Well actually i switch back and forth between Gnome and lxde :) [00:11] pleia2: Woot, I got something special working. *does a little dance* will be useful too. [00:15] doctormo: hooray for useful! [00:17] pleia2: the sad news is digging through gvfs for the second part... making it easy to use. [00:20] heh, gvfs confounds me [01:12] pleia2: I love how the gnome devs say: "There are no docs, it's all in the code" [01:12] for somethin like gvfs... which ort to be documented the most I would think. [01:16] paultag: I can't figure out git, it's a royal pain in the bum. I've asked it for code, it's given me the wrong version. [02:56] doctormo: bah [02:56] doctormo: it's great [02:56] doctormo: also fluxbox rocks :) [02:56] paultag: fluxbox rocks as much as the dave mathews band. [02:56] so wicked hard? [02:58] wicked++ [02:58] :) [03:01] pleia2: I got made fun of so much for saying that [03:01] pleia2: apparently no one in Ohio says "Wicked" or "Haaahd" [03:01] go figure [03:02] no one there is wicked haaahdcore huh? [03:03] nahhh! [03:03] pleia2: that and apparently I say "khakis" and not "car keys" [03:03] not here either, everyone is hella cool though [03:04] pleia2: did you hear about the guy who wants a new SI prefix "hella" ? [03:04] yeah :) [03:04] so classic [03:04] google jumped on board, it'll convert hellabytes [03:04] here here! [03:04] one hellamile [03:05] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=10+hellabytes+to+gigabytes [03:05] tehe [03:05] haha [03:05] I wish we could comprehend a hella- anything [03:05] yeah, poor puny human brains [03:05] :'( [03:06] I am at a lug and fixed a guy's wifi so he bought me coffee, I am never getting to sleep tonight [03:06] pleia2: awww <3 [03:06] I shouldn't drink coffee in the evening, but refruse free coffee? nooo [03:06] pleia2: I had that happen at OLF, I helped a guy with his netbook [03:08] man, I wish being a nerd was cooler [03:08] we need to fix this, asap [03:08] lol [03:08] there should be nerd bars and stuff [03:08] wasn't it cool for a little while? [03:08] kinda, yeah :) [03:09] there is dnalounge in sf which I think is a nerd bar, but I'm not a cool nerd [03:09] "Hey baby, if I could be any ameno acid, i'd be helicase, so I'd be unzipping YO genes!" [03:09] OH MAN [03:09] THAT would be PERFECT there [03:09] haha [03:10] :) [03:10] there would be no cover charge at the paultag nerd bar [03:11] you'd have to either solve some calc, write an app in c++ in under 4 minutes without any errors with -Wall that is not the same as the last 10, or recite at least 20 lines of star trek [03:12] or star wars [03:13] * paultag glares [03:13] :D [03:13] :P [03:13] it's all good, I love star trek [03:13] I had a cat named Bones once [03:13] oh noes! [03:13] did you ever watch DS9 pleia2 ? [03:14] not yet, my boyfriend is a huuuuge fan and I bought him a few of the seasons for his birthday [03:14] pleia2: one of the big evil-doers is Gal DuKot ( spelling )? I always wanted to name a cat "Gal DuCat" [03:15] lol [03:36] not star wars! noooooo! [03:36] paultag: DS9 I watched when I was a child, and like a child I turned over to watch the more exciting Voyger. [03:36] doctormo: we talked about this ;) [03:36] Although I do remember Gaul was a bastard and Odo was fairly liquid at times. [03:37] haha [03:37] he sure was [03:37] Having watched Babalon 5 though, it's hard to see how anything could be better. [04:40] czajkowski: excuse me? [04:45] paultag, pleia2: Yous till up? [04:45] yep [04:53] #fail. Got up at 7 instead of the planned 4 [04:53] that'll teach me to get some good sleep everyday :) [04:54] pleia2: Sent you an email [04:56] czajkowski: 17 referrals to that stackexchange site today. :-) [05:24] doctormo: got an error, just sent it over [05:26] this is a pretty fresh install, so I might be missing something you think is obvious [05:26] and it's xubuntu [07:04] jcastro: when you get the time tomorrow, can you write a blogpost about rhonda's upcoming class? (thursday 1800 UTC) [08:09] good morning [08:13] morning! [08:14] dpm and dholbach not wishing in here has put my time out of whack :p [08:14] nigelb: eh? [08:18] dholbach: well, I lost my perspective of time now that you folks are away for a week :p [08:19] nigelb: pffft, come on :) [08:21] dholbach: haha [08:33] Next week is GUADEC, mind! [08:33] For some of the staff that will mean a two week 'holiday' in Europe. [08:35] sense: 3-week [08:35] the week after is debconf in NY [08:35] :P Poor people. [08:35] haha [08:35] but that's not in Europe! [08:36] nigelb: my ranting that java sucks donkey balls o twitter :) [08:36] czajkowski: aaah! [08:36] czajkowski: Because you're right! [08:37] I cannot get the java to work right on this laptop with an applet I need to work for moodle so I've to use a windows machine :( [08:37] But java is nice. I've not worked on it per se, but I've studied it for a while. [08:37] czajkowski: oh, ok. In that case, I agree :p [08:41] * czajkowski hugs dholbach [08:41] thank you :D [08:42] http://loco.ubuntu.com/loco-council/ we now exist on the LD [08:43] * dholbach hugs czajkowski back [08:46] and replied :) [08:47] really really unimpressed with magic fab and his going out of his way not to support the SE and time and effort another canonical employee has put into it [08:47] and stating he even as PoC will not pass this information onto his team [08:49] czajkowski: yeah, I'm not happy with the blogpost about dell either [08:53] and while I know I've no control over what a person bloggs about, just the sheer 2 fingers up at the community and fellow employee erks me no end [08:53] morning all [08:54] because he's making it very personal as he doesnt like SE [08:54] duanedesign: howdy [08:55] duanedesign: err, isn't it like a horribly early morning for you? [08:56] Advantage for the beer rinkers in Prague: the real Budweiser comes from Czech. [08:56] when ye say czech it highlights me [08:56] How come? Past nick? :) [08:57] Or just fond of the country? [08:57] no Cz [08:57] ah! [08:57] tis very odd no chatterings of dmp or jcastro or dholbach in here [08:58] jetlag? [08:58] Wait, that would be just Jorge. [08:59] maybe they're working,... jono is there they've to be seen to work :p [08:59] plausible [08:59] nigelb: 3 a.m. :P [09:00] duanedesign: what are you doing awake at 3am and on irc [09:00] Get up early, so you have some day to do stuff! [09:01] i usually get up about 4:30. Just woke up early. Actually went to sleep early. Did a bunch of yard work yesterday and was tired [09:10] dholbach: you just like bugs! [09:12] czajkowski: that gives others the opportunity to start working on it :) [09:13] uh huh :) [09:16] \o\ /o/ \o/ [09:21] * nigelb waves to jussi :) [09:21] hi nigelb - seen my facebook update? :D [09:22] jussi: I *think* yes [09:22] checking to make sure [09:22] nigelb: was less than 5 mins ago [09:22] oh [09:22] wait [09:22] no [09:22] 12 mins [09:22] :D [09:22] YES! [09:22] WOW [09:23] * nigelb hugs jussi [09:23] Congrats [09:23] for all of you who cant see my FB: Jussi Schultink and Sari Humalajoki are now the proud owners of Välikorventie 44! [09:24] (photo of the house attached) [09:24] Congratulations! [09:25] jussi: also, what does it mean "the street name is appropriate [09:25] nigelb: go to google translate, and put in välikorven tie [09:25] (with the space [09:27] jussi: gah, putty can't write utf8 properly [09:28] hehe [09:28] its an a with umlaut (dots) [09:28] Korpi interim road? [09:28] hrr [09:29] anyway, it means "interim wilderness road" [09:29] Morning! [09:29] jussi: rocking :) [09:29] morning popey :) [09:45] hello popey! [10:00] thanks czajkowski [10:03] sense: i liked your blog post about 'english speakers' [10:03] duanedesign: Thank you! [10:17] doctormo: have you got a link to the MA banner ? [10:17] please [10:29] .c [11:35] Wow, apparently there is this whole group of not-funny, swearing fake Mark Shuttleworth, Steven Jobs, Jono Bacon and Miguel de Icaza accounts on Identi.ca. [11:36] sense: yep [11:37] Those people sure find themselves big boys talking to each other. [11:38] the ammount of effort some people go to in order to prove they are unfunny idiots is amazing [11:38] yeah [11:38] isnt it [11:39] Don't they have nothing better to do with their lives? [11:39] AlanBell: I just blogged about our planet idea [11:39] Ah, of course, they don't have friends and relations. [11:39] yay [11:39] Im busy at the moment, but in the next few days Ill put it up [12:17] well mr AlanBell, getting a few good comments now :) [12:17] seems to be well taken :) [12:23] it does [12:26] I would still really like to get the ubuntu-partner-community launchpad group and mailing list sorted but that kind of got stalled [12:26] I think jcastro and jono delegated it to each other [12:28] https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=9844 someone needs to talk to the Canonical Partner people [12:28] Now I just got to figure out how to set it up :D [12:33] * AlanBell puts together an email [12:42] sent. Feel free to join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-partner-community, hopefully the list will be created soon. [12:52] AlanBell: you've caught me right after lunch, let me work it [12:53] jcastro: seeing you up and working now is weird. Just sayin' :P [12:53] heh [12:53] AlanBell: ok, what did we mean by "talking to partner people" [12:54] not sure! [12:54] hah [12:54] I think it was validation that the name was OK [12:54] "ubuntu partner community" or something else [12:55] that sounds good to me [12:55] there's a marketing dude here, let me get a nod from him [12:55] yeah, but I don't want to strictly restrict it to active partners with signed agreements [12:56] ok, let me find gerry [12:56] * jcastro goes off running around [12:56] yeah Gerry was on my mail [13:06] AlanBell: gerry says "why not just call it ubuntu-business?" [13:06] or ubuntu-at-work [13:08] i like ubuntu-at-work [13:18] I like ubuntu-in-business [13:24] I don't like Ubuntu-at-work [13:25] if a company replaces windows with Ubuntu that is nice, but they are end users using it at work [13:25] AlanBell: +1 [13:25] the idea of this is to form a community of professionals working on and around the Ubuntu platform [13:27] AlanBell: ok so just tell me what you want it to be called. :D [13:27] ubuntu-partner-community :-) [13:27] did Gerry say why that was bad? [13:28] he thinks it's a misrepresentation [13:28] because it's not just partners [13:29] we don't want to make it seem that we don't want you there if you;'re not a canonical partner [13:29] so basically making it more general [13:31] to be honest I don't mind restricting it to canonical partners, maybe that would be an incentive for companies to sign up === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ [13:33] paultag: Of course if I were to follow my own guide I'd have used pbuilder [13:33] doctormo: :P [13:33] doctormo: test moar! [13:33] doctormo: looking forward to testing :) [13:33] paultag: Moar kakis [13:33] doctormo: car keys? [13:34] You do remember last night ;-) [13:34] jcastro: in fact I see no reason not to restrict it to partners, or people listed in the marketplace. If we did that would it fix the misrepresentation problem> [13:35] right, other than it being called "partner" people might assume "oh I am not a canonical partner this isn't for me" [13:35] well, in that case they can sign up and become a partner [13:36] there is no barrier to entry for the marketplace, and it is pretty low for bronze ubuntu partner (we got it, it must be low) [13:37] I can't see why anyone who is betting their business on the success of Ubuntu wouldn't be in the partner programme [13:37] AlanBell: What's the purpose of the group? to have companies that are providing ubuntu services talking to each other? [13:37] yes [13:37] Is system76 a partner? [13:37] like every other vendor partner programme [13:37] if they are not, they should be. [13:39] they are not a solution provider [13:40] or software or cloud [13:42] and not listed in the marketplace and have no certified hardware [13:50] doctormo: it is for discussion of stuff like joint ventures, marketing, events, sponsorship of things, and general mailing list chatter. [13:51] AlanBell: ok let's do this. Can you mail gerry and then you guys can sort it, and then lmk what you guys decide and I'll update the ticket [13:51] ok [14:24] AlanBell: With marketing and events, can the group have a person who is thinking about if getting the loco community involved is a good idea at any stage? It'd be great to not have a private/public split between marketing efforts and event organisation like that happened in Germany with the LoCo doing one thing and Canonical doing something else. [14:24] well everyone would be expected to be part of their loco [14:25] for example, the uk loco is talking about exhibiting at county fairs [14:25] exhibition space costs about £600-£1000 for a small stand [14:26] if people will hand out leaflets relating to my business along with Ubuntu CDs I would be interested in funding that (and the CDs) [14:27] AlanBell: Your in the UK? [14:27] but it would be good to split such costs with a few other people [14:27] did you not recognise the accent? [14:29] AlanBell: I can barely hold my own accent these days, when I go back to the old country, people say I sound american. Which is frightening as I've only been here 3 years. [14:30] getting the loco community involved in events is kind of critical, I don't have the resources to do stuff without the community [14:34] another example, right now I need someone who has commercial experience of migrating Netware to Ubuntu server. Would be good to be able to find someone I could bring in on a job to do that. [14:39] czajkowski: Is the LoCo Council not an officially recognised council in the Ubuntu community and is Jono Bacon maintaining updates to refining that wiki page and the codification of the LoCo Council still? [14:47] whoh [14:47] that's kinda [14:47] ...odd [14:47] last edited 2008-08-06 11:28:20 by localhost <-- so that was imported from way back when [14:48] I think it's out of date [14:48] but I'm on said council, so not really the best resource [14:51] doctormo: link to the MA banner ??? [14:54] czajkowski: SVG or png? [14:55] png [14:55] I just want to show someone [14:55] :) [14:55] thanks [14:56] paultag: you are confusing me linking in other channels [14:56] doh!!! [14:56] sorry czajkowski [14:57] I thought the was another one a white background [15:01] czajkowski: sorry for the wait, had to generate a new one http://gallery.ubuntu-ma.us/?g2_itemId=1258 [15:02] doctormo: thanks [15:03] doctormo: didnt you have a white one, with you sitting in front of it with a hat on [15:07] doctormo: how come the b looks heavier than the other letters? [15:08] czajkowski: Ah you want the old banner picture? [15:08] AlanBell: Because it is [15:09] czajkowski: http://gallery.ubuntu-ma.us/?g2_itemId=45 [15:11] That photo is from 2007, we really need a new one :-D [15:15] name 3 items to be on a GENERIC Ubuntu Team Banner ? [15:15] if you cant add your loco name to it would it make you not use it [15:17] woo hoo! Today is one year anniversary of my Ubuntu Membership - I think it is an great excuse for a party :-) [15:17] heh [15:18] roundel, wordmark [15:18] AlanBell: eh ? [15:18] circle of friends and the word ubuntu [15:18] * AlanBell has spent too long in the design toolkit [15:18] right but for some teams that may upet them as they promote Kubuntu or other forms [15:19] meh [15:19] indeed [15:19] but trying to argue both sides [15:19] Right so on a massive Generic banner we have [15:19] Ubuntu Logo [15:19] Ubuntu [15:20] yup [15:20] why did you want three things? [15:20] that's it ? [15:20] well [15:20] that looks rather bare [15:20] clean and professional I think you mean [15:21] would adding loco.ubuntu.com be a good idea ? [15:21] maybe some dots [15:21] or Ubuntu Loco Team [15:21] not in my opinion [15:23] some fading dots somewhere might be good if you want more stuff on it [15:24] happy memberversity akgraner [15:24] AlanBell, thanks! :-) [15:25] hey check this out and see if you all find it as disappointing as I do - http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/windows_or_ubuntu?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs [15:25] yes, and it has been like that for ages [15:27] akgraner: isn't that why you're at OSCON? :P [15:27] Pendulum, :-P [15:29] czajkowski: We've found that there are two types of events, advocate events and advocacy events. The former is about pet projects like kubuntu and messin about with tech stuff, the later is more about just getting the word out about ubuntu and free and open source. [15:29] :P A guy a year above me at school who just graduated was in the regional paper today: he might be bought by Everton FC for 400,000 to 500,000 euros. :O What the heck?! [15:30] akgraner: aye not susprised I will never ever buy another dell , OEM folks really need to work harder to fix crap liek that being allowed [15:30] It's bad branding to try and advocate to the general public the use of things like kubuntu, in fact we tend to use more xubuntu and lubuntu as we simply say these are ubuntu for older computers. Where as kubuntu isn't _for_ anything in particular so it's hard to advertise. [15:31] nods [15:31] We really only advocate Ubuntu, but if a Kubuntu guy/girl shows up Kubuntu might get some attention as well. [15:32] It mostly gets the 'alternatives' section, together with Abiword and such. [15:32] *nods* [15:32] grand thanks for the thoughts [15:32] czajkowski, well I am sure there are going to be some pain points - as Ubuntu (Linux) being offered on main stream computer sites is still in it's infancy... [15:32] brb [15:32] doctormo: for people who like choice? [15:33] akgraner: tis still utter crap to see that [15:35] Yeah, Canonical shouldn't allow Dell to do such things. [15:35] I mean, it's not only that page, it's also the horrendous custom interface they preinstall. [15:39] sense: ask paultag about his inbox :) I filled it up nicely today [15:39] >:( [15:39] that makes no sense [15:40] sense, czajkowski has a way with email [15:40] It's good to keep him busy, otherwise he might get bored and will have to search for something to do with his spare time! [15:40] :) [15:41] * czajkowski is loving bugzilla :D [15:41] :) [15:41] me too, actually [15:42] I can follow things and see the progress [15:43] I think the reason why some people still prefer Bugzilla over Launchpad is exactly that. Sometimes I feel that it is harder to track progress on Launchpad than on Bugzilla. [15:45] I'd use launhcpad but in this case I want to create private bugs and there is no way for me to do that atm [15:45] so it's more of a plan B [15:46] sense: you're writing some very thougth provoking posts these days :) [15:47] czajkowski: I've got the (f/v)ibe! [15:47] czajkowski: Can't you create private bugs on Launchpad? [15:48] czajkowski: Thought provoking posts stimulate the creation of other thought provoking posts. [15:51] this is true [15:51] The problem could be that by posting this so close after the previous 'thought provoking' post it might be harder for people to speak out in favour of English-only planets. I hope that's not holding back too many commenters. [16:03] tbh, it seems to me that more people are speaking in favour of English-only than against [16:04] yes [16:05] I think it just needs language tagging and a bit of a planet hack [16:06] AlanBell: http://planet.opensuse.org/ can do it, why wouldn't be able to do so? :) [16:06] so you could go to planet.ubuntu.com/fr or even planet.ubuntu.com/en+fr+jp for example [16:06] yes, that kind of stuff would be nice [16:06] yup, that works [16:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/466508/ The Polish language pack is installed a lot more often that I would have thought: it's at 8, above -zh! [16:13] Away to the shop to buy dinner! [16:18] akgraner: did you sort out the asia meeting clashing with the CC persia is online [16:31] czajkowski: poke? got a min for a quick PM? [16:31] maco: Choice comes after hooks, you get a person on board with Ubuntu and only then can you start explaining that there is gnome and kde. You can't advertise choice from our incredibly weak position in the market. [16:32] nigelb: sure [16:40] maco: what date were the DC loco re appvoed last cycle? [17:10] czajkowski, nope - elky was checking into it for me [17:11] well persia is there atm [17:13] czajkowski, thanks - wait - persia is aware of it as well just read their PM to me .. so I told them :-) [17:14] ok [17:15] popey: ping? [17:17] hmm? [17:36] czajkowski: 20 april [17:37] thanks [18:30] paultag: ping [18:52] doctormo, pong [20:35] akgraner: you're very special :p [20:36] czajkowski, awww thanks! :-p [20:37] akgraner: btw, AW is a weapy one, have the box of tissues beside you [20:37] My family is ready to kill me b/c I forgot my phone charger as well as the cable one to charge it from my computer [20:37] akgraner: how did you forget your phone charger [20:37] akgraner: what kinda phone ? [20:37] czajkowski, I brought the blackberry here - and left the n900 at home [20:38] so my crackberry takes a mirco usb - everyone here has the mini usb cable but no one seems to have the micro ones [20:38] :-( [20:38] akgraner: Did you try asking the hotel front desk if they have the usb cable you need? [20:38] Lots of hotels have a box of chargers/cables from people who forget them [20:39] nhandler, not at the hotel right now - but I will this evening when I go back (great idea thanks) [20:39] akgraner: drop them an email [20:39] czajkowski, I gotta find some time this week to watch it [20:39] I'll make sure I have tissues as well :-) [20:40] So I am going to interview John Pugh any OEM services questions anyone is curious about? [20:41] it will be a video interview too - also I'll be talking to Mark Hinkle of zenoss, and Allison Randall - so if you have questions for anyone of them let me know :-) [20:54] loco council meeting kicking off in 6 minutes [20:54] czajkowski: Where? -meeting? /me might watch [20:55] yup [20:55] -meeting [20:58] akgraner: yes, why do OEMs like Dell pump out such rubbish about Ubuntu? Can't someone at Canonical help them with their marketing? [20:59] I'll ask John about that not sure he is the one to ask but it's a start [21:00] he won't be the one to fix it, but Dell giving the only reason to use Ubuntu as "if you like to do open source programming" is just nonsense [21:00] and that is an OEM relationship issue [21:04] nods :-) [21:10] akgraner: aye tis a bone of contention [21:11] akgraner: also why do dell only sell vertain models to some counteries and not others [21:13] hmm those may be better asked of Dell :-) that would be a great interview there [21:13] ok is there something canonical oems can do better to make them sell more modles [21:13] I tried to buy two Dell ubuntu laptops a while ago but they basically refused to trade with me [21:14] ended up with Samsungs [21:14] :-( [21:14] popey: think you can add me to accepted senders on loco-council? I always get stuck in moderation [21:15] pleia2: let me modeate [21:15] pleia2: done [21:15] thanks :) [21:15] pleia2: they all do including marks :) [21:15] would if i could pleia2 [21:15] i only have moderate access, not admin [21:15]