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ari-tczewplease some main sponsors review bug, whether it can by synced or merged, thanks05:17
ari-tczewbug 60480205:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 604802 in commons-io (Ubuntu) "Merge commons-io 1.4-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60480205:17
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mantiena-baltixmorning all05:42
mantiena-baltixUbuntu 10.04.1 images from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/daily-live/current/ contains packages from lucid-proposed repository, is this ok?05:42
mantiena-baltixAFAIK it's a bug, but I don't know where I should report this bug :(05:43
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Riddellmaxwellian: yes debuild -nc will still recompile whatever needs to be recompiled, it just doesn't run make clean07:58
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twbslangasek: ping08:13
Damascenehi,08:14
twbslangasek: in /usr/share/pam-config/foo on lucid, I can say "Session-Final:\nfoo", but not "Session-Final: foo".  That's a little annoying/unexpected.08:14
Damasceneasac, Bug #60302208:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 603022 in mlterm (Ubuntu) "[MIR] mlterm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60302208:15
Damascenewould you like to talk about the bug?08:15
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asacDamascene: no thats fine from what i understand09:28
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pittiGood morning09:35
asachi pitti09:35
\shhoi pitti, asac09:38
pittihey \sh09:39
pittihello asac09:39
asacmoin \sh ;)09:40
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bdrungcrimsun_: can you unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors when you sponsor a bug? bug #581786 seems to be sponsored.10:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 581786 in ardour (Ubuntu Lucid) "Mute button not enabled by default in Ardour 2.8.6 Lucid AM64" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58178610:02
bdrungcrimsun_: i can't see your upload to -proposed. so it's up to you to unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors.10:05
smoserKeybuk, could you look at upstart script branch in bug 43574 (not urgent at all)10:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 43574 in xinetd (Ubuntu) "Needs Ubuntu-style init script" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4357410:07
smoserand also, sometime this week i'd like to get your thoughts on bug 60637310:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 606373 in linux-ec2 (Ubuntu) "cloud-init output does not get to console when booted with pv-grub and ramdisk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60637310:08
LucidFoxseb128, does Murrine even have an upstream bugtracker?10:11
LucidFoxI couldn't find one10:11
seb128LucidFox, gnome.org10:11
seb128bugzilla.gnome.org10:11
LucidFoxAh, found it10:12
LucidFoxseb128> Forwarded, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62480510:20
ubottuGnome bug 624805 in general "Widget rendering issues with Cairo 1.9" [Normal,Unconfirmed]10:20
seb128LucidFox, thanks10:21
agutierrHello: Someone knows how to disable Halt/Reboot entries from indicator-applet-session in gnome? (editing gconf keys doesnt works)10:28
twbagutierr: if you work it out, let me know.10:29
twbagutierr: same goes for disabling "user switching"10:29
agutierrarggg twb10:30
agutierrI need this!!! :-(((10:30
twbI "fixed" user switching by replacing gdm with xdm, which conveniently also sidestepped some gdm information disclosure fuckups (at least in the default theme).  The button still shows up, but clicking it does nothing.10:30
agutierrtwb, there is some shorcut for make it work?10:31
agutierruser switch i dont care10:31
agutierrbut halt and reboot... :-s10:31
twbYou might want to try looking for dbus .service files and diverting/deleting them.  I haven't investigated that approach yet; it's just a hunch.10:31
LucidFoxseb128, should I CC you to that upstream bug?10:31
seb128LucidFox, no, that's ok, just add the url to the launchpad bug10:32
twbOne of the other engineers here said that not being able to lock it via gconf mandatory settings was a bug introduced in 8.10 and still not fixed :-/10:32
agutierrtwb, removing permissions to /sbin/halt and reboot may be an option10:32
twbagutierr: I bet polkit will fuck you there, since it'll setuid10:32
twb*it'll *effectively* setuid10:32
agutierrI know10:33
LucidFoxI wonder why this issue only occurs with those drivers, though10:33
agutierrArgggg Bugubuntu10:33
LucidFoxand not, say, Nouveau 3D10:33
LucidFoxDoes Maverick's version of Cairo use the cairo-gl backend?10:33
agutierrtwb, I think it takes less than recompiling the gdm & indicator-applet-session...10:36
twbagutierr: I wasn't suggesting recompiling anything10:36
twbIMO once you're rolling PPAs, you've lost10:37
agutierrtwb, yep, but now for me it the fastest option10:37
agutierrrecompiling and cp the binary10:37
twbI wish GUIs would just die in a fire10:39
agutierr^_^10:39
LucidFoxseb128> Any ideas why this bug is only reproducible with the NVIDIA drivers? Could this be related to the cairo-gl backend?10:40
ricotzchrisccoulson, hi, i am currently uploading a thunderbird 3.1.1build2 package to my ppa (it is not nobinonly), but maybe it is worth a look, it will be in ricotz/staging in a few minutes10:41
LucidFoxassuming it's even enabled in maverick...10:41
chrisccoulsonricotz, carrying the ubuntu patches?10:41
LucidFoxricotz, I've always wondered, what's nobinonly?10:41
chrisccoulsonLucidFox, it has the binary only files removed?10:41
ricotzchrisccoulson, yes10:41
LucidFoxah, makes sense10:41
chrisccoulsonricotz, have you switched off the official branding?10:42
ricotzchrisccoulson, i just used the orig.tar.bz2 and the packaging from maverick10:42
ricotzchrisccoulson, using debsrc 310:43
chrisccoulsonhmmm, we don't have 3.1.1 in maverick yet do we? unless i missed something ;)10:43
chrisccoulsonin any case, you probably need to build with the unofficial branding10:44
ricotzchrisccoulson, no there is no 3.1.1 package yet, ok so my package does fit the ubuntu branding then10:45
chrisccoulsonricotz, micahg is going to be packaging tb3.1 quite soon, and we're going to be shipping it in lucid too10:46
ricotzchrisccoulson, ok, i know i talked to him earlier10:47
chrisccoulsonyou say you downloaded the tarball, or did you create it with the packaging?10:48
ricotzchrisccoulson, i used the official mozilla tarball + ubuntu packaging, without nesting it in the tar.gz10:49
chrisccoulsonah, we create our own tarballs (by running debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=THUNDERBIRD_3_1_1_BUILD2)10:49
ricotzchrisccoulson, i think with moving to debsrc3 it isnt needed10:50
chrisccoulsonbut you probably need to build it with the unofficial branding if you are uploading it to a PPA with the ubuntu patches (trademark restrictions)10:51
chrisccoulsonricotz, we can't transition to debsrc3 yet (the packaging still has to support hardy)10:52
ricotzchrisccoulson, hmm, ok10:52
chrisccoulsonwe can only do that once hardy and jaunty have both gone EOL10:52
chrisccoulsonwhich is why we've not done it already ;)10:53
ograKeybuk, i have a hung screen in front of me saying: "udevd[85] failed to create queue file: No space left on devce"10:53
ricotzchrisccoulson, alright10:53
ograKeybuk, any idea how that could happen ?10:53
chrisccoulsonbut we will still probably use a debian/rules target to roll our own tarballs anyway (so we have a single process for creating snapshots and milestoned releases)10:53
ograKeybuk, oh, i'll take that back, it wasnt hung hard, just very slow (it just moved on)10:54
bilalakhtarSomeone, please sponsor bugfix #55095511:00
bilalakhtarI mean, bug #55095511:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 550955 in software-center (Ubuntu) "About window is modal and doesn't look like it" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55095511:00
maxwellianRiddell: Thanks for the info!11:20
ogradoko, does http://paste.ubuntu.com/466402/ look ok ?11:29
skillethi all11:43
skilletis there a reason why ubuntu is on openssl 0.9.8k?11:43
skillet1.0 is out11:44
skilleti see, probably due to freeze11:44
skilletok11:44
twbskillet: lucid is stable, so it basically only gets security patches11:44
skilletyes i am aware of this11:45
skilleti just saw the release date of 1.011:45
skilletanyway11:45
twbUnless you mean maverick is frozen -- I don't pay much attention to non-LTS releases11:45
skilletim trying to work out why all the ec ciphers arent showing in the list, when they are in the .so11:46
cjwatsonwe mostly follow Debian for openssl; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=57837611:46
ubottuDebian bug 578376 in openssl "openssl: OpenSSL 1.0.0 is out" [Wishlist,Open]11:46
skilletpff11:47
skilletyou trust those guys to handle openssl? :P11:47
cjwatsonyes11:47
cjwatson(note that many people here are Debian developers; insulting Debian is not generally a way to win friends and influence people)11:47
skilletsorry i am a security guy11:48
skilleti was referring to the great debian ssl fail of '0811:49
cjwatsonlessons have been learned from the debacle a couple of years ago, and it's in the past11:49
cjwatsonI am deeply, deeply familiar with that11:49
skilletok then11:49
cjwatsonI was part of the response team in Ubuntu11:49
cjwatsonthat doesn't mean we have to hold it against the Debian openssl package forevermore amen11:49
skillethere's the problem11:49
twbA large contributing factor to that fuckup was upstream 1) doing something weird/dumb without an explanatory comment; and 2) failing to respond to queries about (1) on their own mailing list11:50
twbIt's not like the Debian maintainer just decided one day to deliberately destroy the entropy.11:50
cjwatsonI don't think it's necessary to go over it in depth again - it's been analysed in considerable detail11:50
twbSorry, you're right.11:50
skillet$ strings /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 |grep ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA11:50
skilletECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA11:50
dokoogra: well, this fix will make openjdk-6 fail to build (which is good). I really do not want openjdk-6 built on armel in maverick before the arm assembler interpreter is enabled again, because the interpreter will run 4-5 times slower and wasn't tested for a year11:51
skillet$ openssl ciphers |grep ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA11:51
skillet$11:51
skilletnone of the ec* ciphers are enabled11:52
* cjwatson prods a security team member across the table11:52
mdeslaurskillet: let me take a look, one sec11:52
skillet(on debian as well)11:52
ogradoko, so i should upload it and wait until you uploaded the toolchain to give it back then ?11:52
ogradoko, as i understood you yesterday thats the change we need11:52
dokoogra: no, please don't upload openjdk until the arm assembler interpreter is re-enabled11:53
ogradoko, k, does that hapen in the linaro toolchain ?11:53
ogra*happen11:54
ograi.e. in a forseeable time11:54
dokoogra: it has to happen in openjdk. rob is working on this11:54
ograok11:54
ograi'll leave it to him completely then11:54
mdeslaurskillet: try openssl ciphers -v ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA12:03
mdeslaurskillet: it would appear "openssl ciphers" doesn't show it, even though it's supported12:03
skilletmdeslaur: ahh ok, thanks12:04
skilleti still cant use it though12:04
skillethmm ill do a test12:04
mdeslaurskillet: feel free to open a bug if it doesn't actually work, and subscribe me to it.12:05
skillet21718:error:1408A0C1:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:no shared cipher:s3_srvr.c:1006:12:08
mdeslaurskillet: ok, please file a bug with a test case in it, and I'll take a look12:09
mdeslaurskillet: thanks12:09
skilletmdeslaur: okay12:09
skilletill do some more tests first12:09
skilletdont want to raise a false positive12:09
mdeslaurskillet: sure, np12:09
slangasektwb: heh, I don't think we'll change that; the syntax of those fields is that they declare /blocks/ of lines to insert in the config file, it would be confusing to /read/ to have these on the same line as the field name12:10
mdeslaurskillet: don't forget to subscribe me to the bug, or ping me when it's open. Lunch now, bbl.12:10
twbslangasek: I was expecting it to behave in an 822-y manner12:11
twb(It was also confusing that I didn't need to indent the "body" of a field with whitespace)12:11
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twbFor the typical case where I'm only ever adding a single line to each file, I don't find it confusing to have that line after the Foo:, but I don't care enough to argue about it12:12
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\shhmm...when was the last day to upload new packages to universe for maverick?12:24
tumbleweed\sh: there is no such day, it just gets harder. However before feature freeze you should have little difficulty12:25
\shtumbleweed: I thought so....good12:25
MattJhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ is broken for me at least :/12:27
geserMattJ: known problem, it's being worked on12:34
twbslangasek: another bug for you: it doen't ignore backup~ files in pam-configs/12:34
twb(Generally with .d/'s I try to follow run-parts(8) approach of only looking at a whitelist of sane file names, rather than trying to keep a blacklist of the most popular backup file formats.)12:35
MattJgeser: Thanks, good to know12:35
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ricotzchrisccoulson, i remade the tb3.1.1 package using get-orig-source13:27
ricotzchrisccoulson, will take quite some time to upload, i am back later13:29
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Riddellsiretart: libx264-98 is in binary new, do you know who asked for that sync and are they going to do the transition for the rdepends?13:54
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pitticjwatson: do you have a minute to review my gparted SRU?13:58
LucidFoxhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/466462/ <-- any ideas?14:13
coolbhavihello I ve a doubt (as asked in #ubuntu-motu), I m maintaining mobile-broadband-provider-info in debian and ubuntu .. How to request SRU in case of an exception? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#mobile-broadband-provider-info14:15
Riddellcoolbhavi: an exception?  you mean a crash?14:16
smosercjwatson, what module do i need to provide to grub-mkimage to get 'if' support14:16
Riddellcoolbhavi: oh I see, it has exceptional SRU allowances14:17
Riddellcoolbhavi: make a new package, file a bug and find someone to upload it14:17
Riddellcoolbhavi: and subscribe the bug to ~ubuntu-sru14:17
coolbhaviRiddell, yep The Readme file says "...The Package contains only informational files so it's safe for distributions to grab updates even during feature freeze and maintenance stages."14:18
coolbhaviThe update could also solve some of these bugs through regular check: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mobile-broadband-provider-info14:18
coolbhaviRiddell, so just adding a exception tag in the bug report is enough?14:19
smosercjwatson, never mind.14:20
smoser(sh)14:21
DktrKranzLucidFox: it's probably because of --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg, while trying to create a Debian chroot14:22
LucidFoxWell yes, but I had no such problem when using it on my work machine, which runs lucid14:23
LucidFoxI wonder if something broke in maverick14:24
keescjwatson: are we doing a techboard meeting?14:25
geserkees: isn't the TB meeting next week? today is a DMB meeting14:26
keesgeser: I think my calendar is lying to me14:31
keesgeser: yup, you're totally right.14:32
keescjwatson: ignore me please :)14:32
siretartRiddell: that is no sync, I prepared that package myself14:36
siretartRiddell: and yes, that is a library transition like many others. rdepends need to be checked and fixed14:38
seb128cjwatson, pitti: the ubuntuone-client 8 bugs are verification-done14:41
seb128cjwatson, pitti: I think it would be worth getting for .1, it has been uploaded almost a month ago, the first upload failed to build though and they didn't use -v for the second one14:41
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seb128which is why the sru page lists none of the bugs14:41
pittiseb128: aah, that explains it, thanks14:42
pittidoing14:46
seb128pitti, thanks14:46
pittihm, now I have to manually close them all14:48
seb128pitti, get dobey to do it ;-)14:53
Riddellsiretart: shouldn't it have a -XubuntuY version number if it's not a sync?14:53
Riddellsiretart: accepted out of New14:55
* Riddell does the empty new queue dance14:56
JontheEchidna\o/14:57
siretartRiddell: err, do we really require that? udev is a prominent example that does not as well14:58
Riddellsiretart: no we don't, it just seems sensible if it's likely to be synced from debian ever (but since you'd be incharge of that most likely, you could coordinate it easily enough)15:00
siretartRiddell: the package does not exist in debian15:02
siretartbut yes, in case it gets accepted somewhen in the future, I'll of course make sure that it can be easily synced15:03
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cjwatsonpitti: looking15:09
cjwatsonpitti: Riddell asked for a test case in the bug15:11
cjwatsonpitti: do we need to handle both udisks and hal-lock being there?15:11
maxbAs the armel build queue is currently empty, may I please have a give-back of https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subversion/1.6.12dfsg-1ubuntu1/+build/1853956 to establish whether it is a transient or systematic failure?15:11
cjwatsonmaxb: given-back15:22
maxbthanks15:22
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pitticjwatson: yes, in case hal is running15:33
pitticjwatson: test case> can do, it's trivial; I'm in a meeting now, will do after that15:33
tgall_fooanyone around that somewhat groks live-helper configs ?15:34
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cjwatsonpitti: the current fix only calls udisks, and doesn't have the udisks && hal-lock case to match devkit-disks && hal-lock below15:48
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pitticjwatson: so, hal isn't actually an issue on our live systems or Ubuntu, but I guess we'd need it if you run gparted on kubuntu16:03
pitticjwatson: then again, kubuntu doesn't have udisks16:03
pittibut we could just add this, too, and then send it upstream again16:04
cjwatsonpitti: up to you, I can disregard it if you really don't think it matters16:05
pitticjwatson: I won't have time today to fix it harder; I think it's "good enough" for our purposes, but not 100% correct16:06
Riddellpitti: if you're into SRUs bug 578215 could do with being copied over to -updates16:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 578215 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu) "virtuoso-t eats my cpu, should be nice" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57821516:08
pittiRiddell: it's not marked verified16:09
pittiRiddell: if it is, please do so and run sru-release lucid <pkgname>16:09
pitti(fancy way of doing copy-package)16:10
Riddellpitti: it has the verification-done tag, how else should it be marked?16:11
pittiRiddell: oh, I looked at virtuoso-opensource16:12
pittiRiddell: ah, that had a broken changelog, and thus didn't appear on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html16:12
pittiRiddell: if you release it, you need to close the bug manually16:13
Riddellpitti: where is sru-release ?16:17
pittiRiddell: script on cocoplum16:17
Riddelloh right, was looking in ubuntu-archive-tools16:17
NCommanderpitti: ping, can you refix the mobile trendlines again :-)?16:22
nigelbcjwatson: would it make sense if I brought the issue of sending mail at the end of the meeting?16:23
cjwatsonsure16:24
nigelbokay :)16:24
pittiNCommander: which? to what?16:30
pittiNCommander: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-maverick-alpha-3.html looks quite fine to me16:30
NCommanderpitti: mobile burndown charts trendline16:30
pittiNCommander: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html looks broken, I'll fix that16:30
ograpitti, A3 is completely off16:31
NCommanderpitti: er, that doesn't look right to me. We had an issue with a spec not being properly targetted even thought work was happening on it from the beginning16:31
pittiNCommander: ah, so it was mis-planning, rather than additional work coming in mid-cycle?16:31
ograshould be at 2216:31
NCommanderpitti: mis-clicking :-)16:31
pittidone16:32
* ogra hugs pitti 16:32
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RiddellLaney: you're not core-dev but you self confirmed a sync for main?  bug 60764116:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 607641 in f-spot (Ubuntu) "Sync f-spot 0.7.1-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60764116:50
cjwatsonf-spot's in the cli-mono package set16:50
cjwatson./edit_acl.py -p laney query; ./edit_acl.py -P cli-mono -S maverick query16:51
Riddellah hah, thanks cjwatson16:52
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maxbHmm. Is there anywhere I can ask "Is armel known to be broken right now?" ?17:13
maxbIn respect of messages like "sh: gcc: not found" and kdelibs5-dev being uninstallable,17:14
maxbOh, armel builders on Manual. /me assume Something Is Happening17:14
gesermaxb: "sh: gcc: not found" appears in every log, you can ignore that one17:18
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Riddellmaxb: qt hasn't built on arm in a while so KDE bits are unlikely to work17:22
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johanbris there anyone around who feels particular responsibility for texlive?20:23
johanbrthe current maverick version of texlive-publishers has some serious issues, it'd be nice to get it updated some time before release20:24
tantivIs there a reason partimage is only available on x86?  I checked the partimage server and all amd64 bugs were closed for the version currently built for i386.  I successfully built it from deb-src and it seems to work perfectly.20:28
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brycehjcastro, you about?20:41
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