[00:00] my ftp client must be setting the chmod? [00:00] drwxrwsr-x 15 ryan smbusers 4.0K 2010-07-16 21:17 Tools [00:00] that's what it should look like [00:00] yea [00:00] my ftp app is setting the permission implictly [00:01] on directories atleast [00:01] files it does okay [00:01] the other option, and this is how I found that bit in the mount manual [00:01] is to mount your filesystem with the grpid option [00:01] is implicitly set it with moun [00:01] that makes it behave like setgid is set [00:02] does it force it to do be that gid? [00:02] instead of this weird crap where it the user can make it whatever gid [00:02] all it does is cause new files that are created to inherit the group ID from the parent directory, instead of the group-owner of the process that creates it [00:02] hrm [00:02] it does not affect the user's ability to change the group-owner [00:03] fallacies of using sshd for ftp or something? [00:03] not at all [00:04] ftp would have this same problem in the same scenario [00:04] hrm [00:04] it's a simple system permissions and data structure problem [00:05] when you give multiple users write access and the ability to change permissions, you will run into this stuff [00:05] well with ftp could you prevent a user from changing permissions? [00:05] not that I'm aware of, unless it was a special option in a particular ftpd [00:06] let me check if there's a setting for that [00:06] well i don't really care to have an ftpd tbh [00:07] I wouldn't [00:07] doesn't look like anything in chattr for that [00:08] so you'd have to use apparmor or selinux or something === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [01:14] Anybody hear anything about any 3rd party module support from webmin yet ? [01:15] I have a file with a list of directories, which contains unescaped symbols and spaces [01:16] I need to process this with a for loop, so I need to escape them [01:16] is there an easy way to do that to the entire file? [01:20] nevermind that, I found a different way to approach the problem === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [01:47] torrent [01:47] grr [02:03] I can't install Ubu Server from a USB flash drive. I get a notification saying that the CD-ROM can't be detected (even with "--cdrom-detect/try-usb=true") Please help me install it from the USB flash drive. [02:05] Also, what is up with 10.04's documentation being out-of-date? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04%20LTS/installation-guide/ is missing and the samba file server installation guide is wrong [02:15] ader10, I believe the link you're looking for is https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/index.html [02:16] the link on https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/installation.html is broken, then [02:16] Also EM64T is called Intel 64 now [02:17] Intel changes the name of that about once every six months [02:17] I can't find anything in that guide to help me insall from a flash drive [02:18] (I am pretty sure that Intel 64 is the last time they'll change it) [02:22] The actual error text is "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM. Please make sure it is in the drive. If retrying does not work, you should chek the integrity of your CD-ROM. Failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry?" [02:26] If you search for the first 2 sentences exactly on google you'll see that nobody has had this problem solved [02:27] I can't take Ubuntu Server Edition seriously if nobody bothers to fix the installer [02:42] has anybody installed pptpd on 10.04? [02:48] has anybody setup vpn capabilities with 10.04? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [04:43] I need the default umask for users to be 077. If I just tell pam-auth-update to edit common-session and set it explicitly, that'll probably affect root and system users, too, and might cause bad juju. [04:44] Anybody know the "right" way to tell pam_umask(8) to affect only users ≥1000 ? [04:52] I'll just try turning it on for all users and see how badly it breaks things [05:59] how do I remove a single rule from IPtables? [05:59] -D [05:59] -D will remove the single rule? [06:00] But generally you ought to use iptables-restore and write your rulesets with an editor, since iptables-restore is atomic at the table level. [06:01] well i'm kind of just starting to use iptables, so I havent reached that point yet atm o.o [06:01] bear with me if i ask stupid iptables questions xD [06:04] #netfilter === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [07:46] hi there ...i need to edit the file rules-save for iptables and then run it as iptables, somebody know how to do that, as i edit it but iptables -S doesn load those changes === rmk_ is now known as rmk [07:59] Is there a way to change plymouth's background colour (from purple to black) without messing around creating a whole new "theme"? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [08:31] Answer: yes [08:31] >>/lib/plymouth/themes/ubuntu-logo/*.script echo 'Window.SetBackgroundTopColor (0.00, 0.00, 0.00); Window.SetBackgroundBottomColor (0.00, 0.00, 0.00);' [08:39] Er, not quite. But editing the existing calls to those functions suffices. [08:54] <|eagles0513875|> hey guys i have a question about squid and squidguard. [08:56] <|eagles0513875|> i have a single nic setup on my server would you guys recommend a 2 nic setup. one nic on the dmz the other nic on the internal network? [09:02] |eagles0513875|: it doesn't make a difference [09:03] Two NICs is slightly more convenient to code for. [09:03] <|eagles0513875|> ok it has a built in nic and i dont mind using it [09:03] <|eagles0513875|> twb: ill give it a shot but atm cant get it going [09:03] <|eagles0513875|> but thanks for the info :) [09:04] You can always use trunking to run several logical NICs over a single physical NIC, assuming you're running Ubuntu on your router [09:04] <|eagles0513875|> O_O [09:05] <|eagles0513875|> no im not twb im running belkin proprietary software === oubiwann-away is now known as oubiwann [10:12] New bug: #605721 in tgt (universe) "tgtd target will not start unless it's configured with "allow-in-use yes"" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605721 [10:29] anyone used a dell powervault 660f? [10:29] larsemil: what's the real question? [10:30] twb: i might get one for cheap. so i am looking for opinions on it. [10:30] so i rephrase: does anyone have any pros/cons on a powervault 660f? i want to know allt your experiences when coming to it [10:33] hardware is hardawre [10:33] and there is good and bad hardware. :) [10:33] As long as there are drivers in the default kernel, I don't care about it === serge_ is now known as hallyn [10:57] New bug: #607646 in php5 (main) "Segmentation fault in PHP5 with pgsql module" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607646 [10:57] hi [10:57] my server is always access denied [10:57] anyone can help me [10:58] please [10:59] silentwhisper: ssst! [10:59] [10:59] silentwhisper: Define 'my server'. Which service on the server gives access denied? [11:00] http/smtp/ssh? [11:00] http [11:01] as which user is your webserver running? [11:02] all of my files are root:root [11:02] how to determine that? [11:02] more info [11:03] my server ip is 192.168.254.10 [11:03] ss -ap | grep http [11:03] router ip 192.168.254.254 [11:03] silentwhisper: can you pastebin an 'ls -al' from the directory you're trying to see? [11:04] thanks [11:05] "/var/www" [11:05] i tried chmod 644 and 755 as well but no luck [11:06] 12:03 < Jeeves_> silentwhisper: can you pastebin an 'ls -al' from the directory you're trying to see? [11:06] !pastebin? [11:06] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:06] !pastebin [11:06] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [11:06] Just go into /var/www and type 'ls -al' [11:06] copy/paste all the output into the pastebin [11:07] what is pastebin [11:07] is it notepad? [11:07] silentwhisper: plonk [11:08] silentwhisper: Did you see the message from ubottu ? [11:08] please bear with be im totally noob [11:08] silentwhisper: even more important to read everything that comes along [11:08] I asked ubottu to tell you about pastbin [11:08] Read those lines, read my lines, copy/paste! :) [11:09] ah let me check on it its my first time to join here [11:10] That's ok :) [11:10] I'm not in a hurry :) [11:11] are you always here? [11:12] Yes, just about. [11:12] I have no life [11:12] (and no customers ;)) [11:14] i really need alot of help im just starting to learn ubuntu [11:14] My hourly rate is 75 euro's [11:15] (That's a joke, obviously ;)) [11:16] <\sh> Jeeves_: that's cheap ;) [11:17] \sh: I know. I'm just starting. So I can use every Unique Selling Point :P [11:18] \sh: So, are you hiring? :P [11:18] Jeeves_: what would i hire you for? [11:19] Ah, you're too far away. In a country where I never want to be in. :) [11:19] .us? [11:19] twb: Correct :) [11:19] larsemil: Clue on Ubuntu, Internet, stuff [11:19] maybe after china buys them out [11:20] twb: They allready did. .Us just doesn't know yet :) [11:20] Jeeves_: i do the same. starting for real during autumn. [11:20] <\sh> Jeeves_: sysadmin? fai experience? puppet experience? not windows hating? not closed source hating? datacenter experience? if so, send a CV to me...working country will be germany then :) [11:20] larsemil: Cool. [11:21] \sh: I'm pretty close to the german border. But germany is kinda big :) [11:21] <\sh> Jeeves_: karlsruhe, baden-wuertemberg :) [11:21] :) [11:22] I don't hate windows -- just so long as I don't have to use or support it ;-P [11:22] * binBASH will be in KA tomorrow ;) [11:22] \sh: Hmm. That's a four hour drive. [11:22] My wife won't like that :P [11:22] * Jeeves_ agrees with twb :) [11:22] <\sh> Jeeves_: you can rent nice houses here :) or buy one :) [11:23] i would move for a decent job [11:23] <\sh> binBASH: where? 1&1 ;) [11:23] Although, I must say. I've got no issues with Windows 7 yet. [11:23] Here we basically give the windows bits to our interns, because they're the ones who have used windows most recently [11:23] \sh: A5 :D [11:23] I will drive from Zurich to Ludwigshafen [11:23] \sh: Have you ever heard the language you guys are speaking? It's very difficult for the dutch to accept that they speak that on a daily base :) [11:23] through Karlsruhe :D [11:24] binBASH: You're in zurich? [11:24] Jeeves_: Yup [11:24] I worked in Ettlingen before :D [11:24] I was in .ch two weeks ago. In Steffisburg. [11:24] I've been to Zurich last year. Someone I know works at Google there. [11:25] <\sh> Jeeves_: english :) [11:25] \sh: Liar! :) [11:25] Jeeves_: Our office is nearby google office ;) [11:25] i hope i could have an IT job [11:25] <\sh> Jeeves_: no...we are speaking english then... [11:25] In .ch do you have to carry a US-104 keyboard with you everywhere just so you don't go insane trying to hack on servers with insane localized keyboards? [11:26] \sh: http://bit.ly/bLTf2s [11:26] \sh: Yes, but if you leave the office? [11:26] man I'm trying to find a better job [11:26] twb: Well, I brought my German Keyboard to Zurich when I moved there :D [11:26] <\sh> Jeeves_: also english...at least me :) I'm speaking mostly in english even with my wife :) [11:27] <\sh> Jeeves_: but yes, you would have to relocate ;) [11:27] English is the lingua franca, man [11:27] Anyways, I'm typing blind. Don't need it really [11:27] I bet even somali slave traders speak english [11:27] ah ubuntu pastebin got it sir [11:27] Btw: Haven't done anything with puppet yet [11:27] silentwhisper: Good, link? [11:27] binBASH: yeah, but double-bucky-cokebottle to enter a left brace is aggravating [11:27] I have used cfengine, though [11:28] twb, I switched server console to German layout. :) [11:28] Jeeves_: puppet is basically cfengine with different annoyances [11:28] I'm the only one doing system admin onsite. [11:29] twb: More or less annoyances? :) [11:29] I haven't used cfengine enough to say [11:29] I tried puppet for config management. But I switched now to kokki. It's chef like tool but you can code in python ;) [11:30] but forcing me to install ruby is annoying, and they always want me to deploy the latest alpha snapshot of puppet [11:30] don't want to learn ruby really [11:30] And puppet's wire protocol lacks ANY kind of version negotiation [11:30] binBASH: yeah, well, puppet "helpfully" uses a DSL [11:31] twb: Most people I know use chef or fabric to manage their servers [11:31] Ok, so cfengine is the way to go than :P [11:31] I don't know someone who uses puppet actually [11:32] chef is just a minor NIH of puppet [11:32] (AFAICT) [11:32] You still have to use ruby on the nodes, at least [11:32] yup [11:32] that's why I'm using kokki. ;) [11:33] python is already installed on the nodes..... [11:33] do i need any special hardware to connect to a fibre channel san or does it use ethernet? [11:35] Well, I suppose yaml is at least well-defined [11:35] (I hadn't heard of kokki before.) [11:36] twb: Yeah, I found it when I googled for python config management tools ;) [11:37] too bad my internet connection is very slow [11:37] tried paste [11:37] then i will give the link [11:37] correct? [11:38] twb: http://github.com/samuel/kokki-cookbooks [11:38] some example recipes ;) [11:39] silentwhisper: yup [11:39] Well, bugger. [11:39] Password resetting works with 8.04 desktops, but not 10.04 desktops. [11:40] (Using LDAP with the ppolicy overlay.) [11:41] ldap.conf is the same on both... [12:01] sample [12:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/466407/ [12:01] is it correct? [12:01] yes [12:13] OK, the problem is something to do with pam_unix being first and pam_ldap being second in lucid [12:17] That's stupid [12:17] Yes [12:17] Yes it is. [12:17] (as are more things in Lucid) [12:17] Clarification: I'm using libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap, with OpenLDAP on both ends, using the ppolicy overlay [12:17] Oh wait. Did I say that out loud? L:) [12:17] Jeeves_: no, not really :p [12:18] I should also note for the record that nis.schema is JUST SO WRONG, and libpam_ldap's internals are pretty ugly (if reasonably clear). [12:19] Imho, Hardy is still the best Ubuntu around. [12:19] It's just too old [12:19] Hey, waitaminute... [12:19] Why isn't slapd enforcing non-crap passwords? [12:19] And, IMHO, Canonical focusses on the Cloud far too much [12:19] It's doing so on the hardy desktops... [12:20] Does anyone know if openstreetmaps.org has an Google-maps-like API for pointing out where people are? [12:20] I wonder if that bullshit where ubuntu moved the ldap configuration INSIDE THE LDAP DATABASE is causing this issue. [12:20] * twb digs out a recent serverguide [12:21] I'll go a bit swimming, got holidays, cya around ;) [12:21] binBASH: See ya [13:10] Hello. How can I test communication between my server and a GSM modem connected to ttyS0? [13:10] Wampyre: apt-get install minicom [13:11] Thanks Jeeves_, done. Now googling for usage :) [13:12] :) [13:18] how do I reinstall in apt [13:18] apt-get [13:18] reinstall a package [13:18] I installed lvm2 and my wifi cutout in the middle of the install [13:19] and I wasn't using screen! [13:19] hi there, somebody know what is the protocol 17 and 6? [13:19] ajdkfla: apt-get install --reinstall [...] [13:19] ajdkfla: or in your case probably just `apt-get install -f` [13:19] Roxyhart0: udp and tcp respectively [13:20] ajdkfla: apt-get install --reinstall ? [13:20] Speaking of cfengine and puppet [13:20] http://www.cfengine.org/cftimes/articles/0000000040.html [13:20] sorry freaking out lvm2 seems to have screewed my network [13:20] Roxyhart0: also taking a look into /etc/protocols might help ;) [13:20] thanks === erer is now known as silentwhisper [13:23] Roxyhart0: next time, 'grep 17 /etc/protocols' and so on === erer is now known as silentwhisper [13:33] Hi there, im looking for a tool to block P2P, somebody have any recomendation? id see 17 filter and ipp2p but not sure which is good or if there is another even better [13:34] Roxyhart0: use netfilter/iptables (linux built-in firewall) - use ufw to configure [13:36] yes, both tools also use iptables...im looking for some doc how to do just with iptables [13:36] is there a way to share a file quickly with out using samba? [13:36] ssh? [13:36] I want to share an Iso over the network and mount on another machine [13:36] scp? [13:37] to share or just copy? [13:37] Roxyhart0: can I mount somehow? [13:37] share [13:37] sabgenton: if the other machine has a FUSE implementation, you could use sshfs [13:38] ones karmic ones lucid [13:38] sudo apt-get install sshfs [13:38] ? [13:39] sabgenton: yes [13:39] quick howto? [13:39] mount [13:40] sabgenton: http://tinyurl.com/3yen5w4 [13:41] sabgenton: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/FUSE/sshfs [13:41] *sigh* no initiative from anyone these days... [13:41] sabgenton: meh, sorry. it's german [13:41] meant to post https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS [13:42] thanks [13:44] other question...any good proxy server? [13:46] Roxyhart0: for which protocol? [13:47] most important p2p, irc, ssh, htmp [13:48] html [13:49] Roxyhart0: so you're looking for a SOCKS proxy [13:49] take a look at dante [13:50] thanks joschi === larsemil is now known as pelleplutt === pelleplutt is now known as larsemil [14:18] how can I tell d-i or more precisely partman that I want to have the remaining free space of a hard drive (after the partitions have been created) in a LVM volume group? [14:18] e.g. create a partition with 10G in the volume group and have the rest unassigned to any LV, but assigned to the volume group [15:11] I want to check on which device a particular directory is mounted to... how can I do this? [15:19] greetings all... i'm trying to set quota's on an NFS mounted dir -- is that possible? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:32] New bug: #607648 in freeradius (main) "package freeradius-mysql (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607648 [15:52] hi. I have a 10.04 LTSP install. I want my thin clients to run only chrome at boot, with autologin, no other stuff (no panels, no possibility to run other stuff), is it doable? any howto on it (especially the autologin+bare minimum part) ? [15:54] where is the link for pasting image? === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann-away === EvilTrek is now known as Mithos [16:42] New bug: #607835 in drbd8 (main) "New Upstream Release DRBD 8.3.8.1" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607835 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [17:27] is there a way I can mirror a filesystem on two servers over the network? [17:28] goldins: DRDB? [17:28] i got No route to host when i want to send mail. (Postfix - Mail agent: squirrelmail) [17:28] goldins: http://www.drbd.org/ ↑ [17:28] hmm [17:28] thanks === TannerF_ is now known as TannerF [17:31] i got No route to host when i want to send mail. (Postfix - Mail agent: squirrelmail) [17:32] anyone please? [17:33] any reason when I do this: iptables -I INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT [17:33] i get this: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name [17:33] on an Ubuntu server image btw [17:33] er server* [17:39] anyone please help me in postfix [17:41] where can the kernel's config files be on the drive? [17:41] Mithos: in the /boot directory [17:41] ah its hiding xD [17:41] er... [17:43] or its hiding elsewhere... [17:43] Mithos: hiding? [17:43] * Mithos kicks his system [17:45] I have a fresh install of server 10.04 amd64. on install i only selected vm host and ssh. virt-manager, virt-viewer, xterm, ubuntu-vm-builder are custom additions. i changed networking to bridge eth0 and set the template to use br0 by default. when attempting to create a vm I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/27vxhNHr [17:45] anybody ever seen that one? [17:45] pmatulis: yeah its hiding somewhere, but its not in /boot [17:46] pmatulis: perhaps because its a VPS? [17:46] o.o [17:47] EvilTrek: Xen? [17:48] jpds: no openvz [17:48] matt_keys: how did you create the vm? [17:48] jpds: the datacenter the VPS is at didnt have zen [17:48] er xen* [17:48] EvilTrek: Isn't the kernel managed by the host with that? [17:48] jpds: indeed i'm trying to ping the host now xP [17:48] Unable to complete install ' operation failed: failed to retrieve chardev info in qemu with 'info chardev' [17:48] matt_keys: how did you create the vm? === EvilTrek is now known as Mithos [17:49] pmatulis: through the gui [17:49] pmatulis: it's a win08 x64, 4gb ram, 40gb disk. i selected windows, windows 2008 from the type drop-down [17:50] does it if i allocate all at once or uncheck for thin provisioning [17:55] i got No route to host when i want to send mail. (Postfix - Mail agent: squirrelmail) [17:56] matt_keys: is your host 64 bit? [17:56] pmatulis: yes [17:56] Linux libvirt01 2.6.32-23-server #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 09:11:11 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux [17:57] matt_keys: do other guests install ok? [17:57] pmatulis: haven't tried any others yet, this was the first one :( [17:57] matt_keys: please try [17:57] will do, brb. [17:58] just checked and the disk was created both times in /var/lib/libvirt/images, just didn't go past that [17:59] pmatulis: creating a ubuntu 10.04 i386 server vm, 20gb disk, 512mb ram [18:00] pmatulis: btw these are on dell poweredge 1855 blades, so I have 9 more if I need to test... they're all identical setups [18:05] pmatulis: ubuntu vm seems to have installed/started ok [18:05] digging for another win32 iso [18:07] win7 64 would be a good test, right? [18:08] matt_keys: it's another test, yes [18:08] win7 64bit started as well [18:08] something specific with server 2008 64bit? [18:10] matt_keys: some drivers may need to be digitally signed [18:11] pmatulis: never makes it that far... it goes to create the domain and crashes there before the vm has a chance to start. win7 64bit just gave me the BSOD [18:11] matt_keys: dunno [18:13] BSOD error msg was "STOP: 0x0000001E (0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000)" [18:37] pmatulis: filed a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/607884 [18:37] Launchpad bug 607884 in libvirt "10.04 amd64 libvirt+qemu fails to install Win Server 08 x64 or Win7 x64" [Undecided,New] [18:37] thanks for your help [18:38] matt_keys: you're welcome === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [19:00] hey guys, the UUID in the kernel bootline should match the UUID of the root partition correct? [19:00] talcite: Yes. [19:01] Jordan_U: is there any reason why a UUID of a softraid array would change suddenly? [19:01] talcite: Not that I know of, but I don't do much with RAID. [19:02] Jordan_U: hmm that's ok. Thanks. I'll just change it manually to match. It's really weird that it happened though [19:02] talcite: update-grub should update your grub.cfg to match the new value. [19:03] Jordan_U: hmm, I'm stuck in an initramfs shell. I don't think I have access to /boot actually [19:03] or is it just not automatically mounted? [19:25] Was grub's menu.lst removed in 10.04? I'd like to verify that the kernel options on boot are using the correct UUID === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === pickles is now known as Guest20666 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === Mithos is now known as EvilTrek === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [20:45] talcite, 10.04 uses grub2 by default, which does not have a menu.lst [20:47] wasn't that first considered a "bug" tha'ts going to be "fixed" in 10.04.1? [20:47] what, exactly? [20:48] grub2's configuration structure is completely different from the old grub [20:49] maybe I'm remembering something wrong [20:49] the bits you're supposed to change have moved to /etc [20:53] talcite: cat /proc/cmdline === Mithos is now known as EvilTrek === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === unreal_ is now known as unreal === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [22:29] do i have to do anything after I add a file to /etc/logrotate.d === ajaya_ is now known as ajaya [22:57] Hmm ok I see. I've found the /etc/ bits now. [22:58] It's still weird though. cat /proc/cmdline gives a different UUID than from the UUID of my root partition [22:59] talcite: If you boot holding shift you can get the grub menu and temporarily change the menu entry to boot, then "sudo update-grub" should fix things permanently. [22:59] well, I should clarify, /proc/cmdline gives a different UUID from the one that mdadm -D /dev/md0 reports [23:00] hmm [23:00] are they supposed to be different ones? [23:01] Jordan_U: yup, I ran the update-grub command, but it didn't seem to change anything. The UUIDs reported by /proc/cmdline and mdadm are still different [23:02] talcite: cat /proc/cmdline prints the kernel parameters that were passed to the kernel when you booted. [23:02] ah, so I'll need to reboot [23:02] talcite: To check the UUID that grub will pass next boot look in /boot/grub/grub.cfg [23:03] ah. Thanks. I've never used grub2 before [23:03] luis_lopez: You're welcome. [23:09] anyone know how to update the output of the df command? i deleted some large files but i'm getting the same output [23:12] gaaaaaaaaaaaaah [23:12] too late [23:12] giving me output for every directory [23:13] can't stop it with control C [23:13] wrong window... sorry! still would like help with the df question though [23:14] df generates fresh output each time you run it [23:15] if the information is wrong, it's more likely that your filesystem is reporting incorrect information, or that you didn't actually delete said files [23:15] were they hard-linked elsewhere? [23:16] qman: thanks [23:16] i don't believe they were hard linked anywhere else [23:16] they were apache log files [23:16] yeah, then probably not [23:16] but they should also not be that big [23:17] it was 10GB -- my predecessor put them in a non-standard location, so logrotate never touched them [23:19] qman__: i just used the rm command... i know that doesn't delete them in a non-recoverable way, but shouldn't it free up the space? [23:19] generally, it does delete them in a non-recoverable way [23:19] unless you have an undelete system configured [23:20] no undelete system configured... i mean unrecoverable in the way the shred makes files unrecoverable [23:20] *in the way that shred [23:20] rm simply unlinks them [23:20] which leaves the data free to be overwritten [23:21] unless it's linked elsewhere [23:21] it would show up as free space [23:23] if it really is a filesystem inconsistency, fsck will fix it [23:27] good suggestion... thanks [23:39] mysql wont start on my 10.04 box [23:39] any ideas [23:40]