[17:33] <renglaji> Hi, is anyone in this chat?
[17:39] <renglaji> I am considering starting an education project in China, but I have some questions about the future development of Edubuntu
[17:56] <highvolt1ge> renglaji: fire away
[18:08] <mhall119> highvolt1ge: I'm off on vacation tomorrow
[18:08] <mhall119> but qimo-gnome is doable, it'll just keep totally separate configs from ubuntu-gnome
[18:08] <mhall119> for any app that uses gconf
[18:09] <mhall119> I just need to set an env variable on session login, which I already to for qimo-xfce, telling it to look somewhere else for gconf settings
[18:11] <renglaji> do you know if there are significant updates coming for 10.10?
[18:12] <mhall119> there's always significant updates
[18:12] <mhall119> highvolt1ge: do you know if I can setup conditional dependencies in a package?
[18:13] <renglaji> right, but is there any reason to wait for 10.10 to start a deployment
[18:13] <renglaji> in your opinion
[18:13] <mhall119> not this far from it's release, no
[18:14] <mhall119> besides, 10.04 is a long term support release, so you can stick with it for a long time if you want
[18:16] <highvolt1ge> mhall119: kind of
[18:16] <highvolt1ge> renglaji: oh definitely, it's worth while to wait or stick with an old version
[18:16] <highvolt1ge> renglaji: in particular, there's some big changes coming in the livecd/desktop meta-packages that will probably break a few things for a short while
[18:17] <mhall119> I think he meant should be delay his deployment until 10.10 is out, or go ahead and do it on 10.04
[18:17] <highvolt1ge> renglaji: I wouldn't recommend deploying 10.10 anywhere until release (or at least *very* close to it)
[18:18] <renglaji> mhall119 is correct, I meant do you think I should wait for 10.10 release do deploy, or go ahead with 10.04
[18:19] <renglaji> it was my sense that Edubuntu was stalled for a while, but is picking up steam again
[18:20] <highvoltage> renglaji: ah, I see
[18:21] <highvoltage> renglaji: 10.04 is safe since it's LTS, most of the current improvements planned for 10.10 in Edubuntu are related to the installer and how optional extras are installed
[18:22] <highvoltage> renglaji: 10.04 will also be easily upgradable to 10.10, so if you do decide to move over that shouldn't be very hard depending on your configuration
[18:25] <renglaji> highvoltage: thanks for that information. I will go ahead with 10.04 then.
[18:26] <renglaji> highvoltage: do you know if there are any plans to load edubuntu with easily accessible public domain information?
[18:26] <renglaji> for example, ebooks that have already entered the public domain?
[18:26] <renglaji> or at least make them more easily accessible?
[18:29] <renglaji> or a wikipedia module that comes preinstalled for areas with poor ethernet connections
[19:04] <bencrisford> highvoltage: meeting tonight? :)
[19:28] <highvoltage> bencrisford: it will probably be a super-quickie, I don't have anything to update on so if no one else does then it will probably just be a few minutes
[19:31] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ok, its in half an hour right?
[19:54] <highvoltage> bencrisford: oops, just discovered I have to be at another quick place at that time, so I'll have to pass. If anyone else pitches up and there's any discussion at all, could you take notes? (I doubt there would)
[20:06] <Kyle__> Is there a way to remotely connect to the login screen?  I would like to log a particular user in to a particular session, so I don't have to walk them through it over the phone.
[20:25] <highvoltage> Kyle__: sounds like VNC is what you need, this isn't to hard to set up by just choosing remote desktop from preferences, although if they're behind a router they may need some additional configuration
[20:47] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i was afk, sorry :/
[21:18] <Kyle__> highvoltage: Yes, but the issue isn't VNC or not, it's, how do I vnc to the login screen (GDM2)?
[22:20] <mhall119> you'll need the xvnc extension for xorg
[22:21] <mhall119> assuming you want to vnc to display :0
[22:22] <Kyle__> mhall119: That would have it on for every part of the X session.
[22:22] <alkisg> Kyle__: gdm2 or ldm? You want to connect to the server or to a thin client?
[22:23] <Kyle__> GDM, their X session, mine if I'm there.
[22:23] <alkisg> Those are different parts
[22:23] <alkisg> Be more specific
[22:23] <alkisg> ldm is the display manager of the thin clients
[22:23] <Kyle__> alkisg: gdm2.  I want to connect to a desktop in one of my labs, and log someone in.
[22:23] <alkisg> gdm is the one on the server
[22:23] <Kyle__> alkisg: I was being specific, answering mhall119.  If you put the xvnc extension into your xorg, it shares every X session, IIRC.
[22:23]  * alkisg thought he was on #ltsp - heh, ok...
[22:24] <Kyle__> alkisg: Ahh, now I get where you were coming from :)
[22:24] <alkisg> Kyle__: one way to do that is with italc
[22:26] <Kyle__> italc?
[22:26] <alkisg> Yes, it's something like a vnc clone that also supports encryption
[22:26] <alkisg> (classroom management tool, but works fine for cases like those)
[22:27] <alkisg> http://italc.sourceforge.net/
[22:27] <Kyle__> alkisg: Hum.  Classroom management tools may be just waht I need.  I'm running several linux/unix labs.
[22:27] <alkisg> Check the screenshots at http://italc.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php, they'll give you an exact idea of what to expect
[22:29] <alkisg> It supports orginizing the clients into classrooms, so if you don't hit any of its bugs, it should be fine
[22:29] <alkisg> (i.e. a different tree for each lab)
[22:31] <Kyle__> Seems pretty interesting.
[22:32] <mhall119> Kyle__: I think so, yes
[22:33] <mhall119> every physical display anyway, I'm not sure vnc servers
[22:39] <Kyle__> On the subject of labs and ltsp thin vs thick clients... what are other peole using for unified logins?
[22:39] <Kyle__> I'm currently setting up LDAP, but it's far from painless.
[22:52] <alkisg> Kyle__: I'm just using ldm ==> it uses ssh on the background. So user administration is like in a normal ubuntu desktop pc, i.e. with users-admin
[22:53] <Kyle__> alkisg: Humm.  So, more or less it's just mirroring your /etc/{group|passwd|shadow} files?
[22:53] <alkisg> It's directly using it, without any mirroring
[22:53] <alkisg> (that's how LTSP works)
[22:58] <Kyle__> alkisg: So you're using it with LTSP, or actually with other systems?  So they use the local resources as well?
[22:59] <alkisg> Only with ltsp, i.e. with thin and fat clients. Fat clients do use local resources (cpu, ram, even disk if someone wants to etc)
[23:00] <Kyle__> Guess I haven't looked at ltsp in a long time... I thought it was only thin clients.
[23:00] <alkisg> Fat clients were supported in 10.04
[23:01] <alkisg> I tried in a lab of 12 clients, local booting of 9.04 needed 40 seconds, while netbooting 10.04 (fat clients, 5 Gb virtual disk) needed 13 seconds.
[23:01] <Kyle__> Not bad.
[23:02] <alkisg> So I stopped installing/maintaining local OSes, I"m only using LTSP now.
[23:02] <Kyle__> I'm hoping my setup won't be to terribly strange... but I'll be running virtual sessions for the users, if they want anything but linux.
[23:03] <alkisg> There's rdesktop support in ltsp
[23:03] <alkisg> With SCREEN_07=rdesktop, you _only_ get rdesktop, if someone wants it.
[23:05] <Kyle__> Humm.