[01:44] <Art_> Hello.
[01:45] <Art_> Hello?
[01:49] <Darxus> What does it take to get this into the main lucid archives, not just lucid updates?  Bug 429841.  Until then it's causing major breakage for anyone who tries to upgrade between the two latest LTS releases.
[01:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 429841 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 2 other projects) "broken packaging: package flashplugin-nonfree failed to install/upgrade: (breaks upgrade) (affects: 310) (dups: 142) (heat: 1648)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429841
[01:51] <Darxus> It absolutely blows my mind that *nobody* who had flash installed tested upgrading from hardy to lucid before lucid was released.
[01:51] <yofel> Darxus: impossible afaik, and -updates should be always enabled unless you turn it off yourself
[01:51] <yofel> but I won't bet my life on that statement
[01:58] <hggdh> if you did bet, you would win ;-)
[01:59] <hggdh> Darxus: it *is* in the main Ubuntu archiveS
[01:59] <hggdh> lucid-updates is one of them
[02:15] <Darxus> There are people who don't use -updates.  If there is no reason for that, then it wouldn't exist.  Those people are getting horribly broken upgrades.
[02:15] <Darxus> That should be fixed.
[02:16] <hggdh> Darxus: it *is* fixed, in lucid-updates. If someone disabled lucid-updates, this someone is explicitly stating is does *NOT* want fixes
[02:17] <Darxus> hggdh: No.  This completely cripples all functionality of the package management system.
[02:17] <hggdh> and, anyway, 10.04.1 will have it. But there is no sane reason to disable -updates in the first place
[02:18] <Darxus> hggdh: As I said, if there were no sane reason to disable -updates, -updates wouldn't exist.  It makes plenty of sense for someone whose priority is stability.
[02:18] <hggdh> Darxus: if you value stability over functional packages, I am unsure what we could do
[02:18] <Darxus> Being in the non-updates lucid archives in a 10.04.1 release sounds like the right solution, thanks.
[02:19] <Darxus> hggdh: Nobody values stability over complete brokenness, that's what I'm saying.
[02:19] <hggdh> how does flash completely break a system?
[02:20] <Darxus> hggdh: Read the fucking bug.
[02:21] <hggdh> Darxus: please keep this discussion clean. Please also read the CoC
[02:21] <Darxus> It is, perhaps, a weakness of the package management system that it's possible.  The post install script fails.  The new version has no post-install script to run instead, so it gives up, and won't let you do anything else.
[02:50] <trinikrono> hey has anyone heard from ddecator?
[02:50] <trinikrono> he seems to be missing a few days now lol
[03:37] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[03:38] <stanley_robertso> guys .. can somebody tell me.. how to get my name added in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students
[03:38] <micahg> stanley_robertso: follow the instructions on how to request a mentor here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/
[03:41] <stanley_robertso> micahg, got it .. thanks .. will follow the instructions in it :)
[03:44] <stanley_robertso> micahg, according to the page.. i hvae to setup my own wiki .. but when i login into the wiki page.. iam getting "UnknownTimeZoneError" .. whereas the same works fine in launchpad
[03:45] <micahg> stanley_robertso: try to log out and log back in
[03:46] <stanley_robertso> tried it .. even tried .. to close browser and opened a new browser :(
[05:55] <blindeinstein> I believe bug #608005 should be set to wishlist
[05:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 608005 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Right-clicking items in History menu brings up the toolbar context menu (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608005
[05:56] <micahg> blindeinstein: why?
[06:04] <blindeinstein> Right-clicking in any menu brings up the toolbar context menu, save the bookmarks menu. It's not a bug, but a feature request.
[06:12] <micahg> blindeinstein: I'd say that's a bug
[06:15] <micahg> blindeinstein: why did you change the status/assignee?
[06:16] <blindeinstein> micahg: because it's my first attempt at helping with bugs, and I am apparently doing it wrong
[06:17] <micahg> blindeinstein: did you read the how to triage guide
[06:19] <blindeinstein> micahg: a couple of times, i just misunderstood small bit so i'm gonna hit it up again
[06:19] <micahg> blindeinstein: ok, feel free to ask any questions you might have here
[06:20] <blindeinstein> micahg: thanks
[06:20] <micahg> blindeinstein: np, I'm looking upstream at the moment for that bug
[08:52] <drew212> i keep getting a timeout error when i search for firefox in ubuntu, but when i change it to Firefox, everything works fine...
[08:53] <micahg> drew212: nah, I'd say it's cached after the first time :)
[08:55] <drew212> micahg: no, even if i try it a second time with firefox, it gives me a timeout error...
[08:55] <drew212> only with Firefox...
[08:55] <micahg> drew212: so, there might be less records w/Firefox vs firefox
[08:56] <micahg> drew212: file a bug against malone with the oops ID and the use case
[08:59] <drew212> O_o, i'll get to participate in this hugday! i'm off all day =), well, unless i go hunting
[08:59] <micahg> drew212: hugday, what hugday
[09:00] <drew212> thursday... aren't they every thursday?
[09:00] <micahg> drew212: only if organizeed
[09:00] <drew212> =(
[09:00] <micahg> drew212: bug pedro_ for one :)
[09:01] <drew212> micahg: i may go hunting, and that would consume my day =X
[09:01] <drew212> i would hate to ask for one, and then not participate
[09:04] <drew212> micahg: bug 566229 looks good, but the stacktrace and threadedstacktrace says that there are no symbols, even though Apport retraced successfully
[09:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 566229 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "pidgin crashed with SIGFPE in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__VOID() (affects: 2) (heat: 41)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566229
[09:07] <micahg> drew212: k, might be enough for upstream
[09:08] <micahg> drew212: I'd suggest asking in the #pidgin channel if they'd take this tyep of report
[09:08] <drew212> he was using it in beta
[09:08] <drew212> does that matter?
[09:08] <micahg> well, it was close to release, but the pidgin version was the release version
[09:09] <micahg> drew212: the devs might not care unless it can be reproduced w/2.7.1 though
[09:11] <drew212> micahg: pidgin doesn't use LP for its bug reports?
[09:12] <micahg> drew212: it has a track instance
[09:12] <micahg> *trac
[09:16] <drew212> micahg: no hits in #pidgin =X
[09:16] <micahg> drew212: it's probably off hours, try during the day US time
[09:16] <drew212> micahg: yeah, i'll try tomorrow
[09:16] <drew212> i'm off to bed, night
[09:16] <micahg> drew212: me too :) (said that 2 hrs ago :-/ )
[09:17] <drew212> i know, i didn't expect you to chime in earlier =P
[13:46] <abhijit> hello
[13:47] <abhijit> should i mark this bug as opinion? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/608222
[13:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 608222 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-gtk has a geeky window title (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:48] <abhijit> om26er, ping
[13:52] <abhijit> ok m going now bye all
[13:53] <qthan> Hello....
[13:53] <qthan> when is the next Hug Day?
[13:57] <sense> qthan: It's every Thursday
[13:58] <pedro_> qthan, do you have any target in mind?
[13:58] <qthan> thank you sense!
[13:59] <sense> yw
[14:01] <qthan> sense, I am kind of new to this.... how would you advise a newbie to prepare for Hug Day?
[14:01] <qthan> I've read the code of conduct...
[14:01] <sense> qthan: How long have you been triaging bugs?
[14:02] <qthan> ummm... i haven't triage bugs before...
[14:02] <sense> qthan: If you're completely new I would advice you to take a look at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors>, but I cannot guarantee how quickly you'll get assigned a mentor since our resources are limited. :)
[14:02] <qthan> i'm veeery new... :-/
[14:02] <qthan> ok, thanks for your advice sense!
[14:03] <sense> That's OK, we like new people.
[14:03] <sense> you're welcome!
[14:03] <sense> qthan: Good you've found this IRC channel, this is indeed THE place for questions.
[14:03] <qthan> oh good!
[14:03] <sense> If you've got more questions, don't hesitate to ask here.
[14:03] <qthan> ok, thanks!
[14:03] <sense> Remember, there are no dumb questions, only dumb answers!
[14:05] <qthan> are you a mentor, sense?
[14:05] <sense> qthan: I'm one of the mentors indeed.
[15:40] <abhijit> hello
[16:53] <Darxus> Do LTS releases always have a .1 release?
[16:53] <micahg> Darxus: and .2,.3,.4 :)
[16:54] <Darxus> Cool.
[16:55] <Darxus> But not the non-LTS releases?
[16:56] <yofel> no
[16:56] <yofel> they don't get point releases
[16:57] <Darxus> Okay.  That makes enough sense.
[17:08] <stalney_robertso> hi all
[17:09] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[17:10] <yofel> hey
[17:12] <stanley_robertso> hi yofel
[18:16] <stanley_robertso> hi vish
[18:17] <vish> stanley_robertso: hey , every time i hear you name , oddly it sounds like: "Danger Will Robinson!" ;)
[18:18]  * vish  a lost in space fan :D
[18:31]  * charlie-tca__ thinks being a lost in space fan is better than being lost (even in space)
[18:38] <vish> charlie-tca__: hey , so howz xubuntuland doing?
[18:38] <charlie-tca__> Heh, seems to be going great!
[18:38] <charlie-tca__> Maverick is moving right along, with only a few minor glitches so far.
[18:39] <vish> cool!, just read pleia's post on the planet
[18:40] <charlie-tca__> Yeah, I thought that was a great entry! It will help get Xubuntu some artwork, I hope.
[18:40] <charlie-tca__> We will either get somewhere, or people will get tired of seeing things about us
[18:41] <vish> yeah , there seems to be less blogging about Xubuntu , probably blogging can get more attention
[18:41] <charlie-tca__> I am hoping to make that true
[18:42] <charlie-tca__> There will be an article in UNW too
[18:42] <charlie-tca__> or is it UWN? the weekly news letter, anyway
[18:43] <vish> right , UWN ..
[21:31] <njin> Hy guy. i'm actually without mentor, so there's someone that explain me why apport collect won't work with this? bug 365745 Thanks
[21:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 365745 in ubuntu "Backlight-brightness doesn't change on keypress (affects: 5) (heat: 28)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365745
[21:32] <micahg> njin: because there's no pacakge?
[21:37] <njin> micahg: the package is gnome-network-manager, but apport is unable to identifu application
[21:38] <yofel> njin: the 'Affects' field is empty
[21:38] <yofel> and that's what apport needs
[21:39] <njin> Oh thanks to explain.
[21:39] <yofel> njin: oh
[21:39] <njin> oh
[21:39] <yofel> njin: and if you give apport collect a package you MUST use '-p'
[21:39] <yofel> or --package
[21:39] <yofel> apport-collect -p <pkgname> <bugnumber>
[21:41] <njin> yes i meke a bug, i'm going to fix it ;)
[23:18] <yofel> er... does anyone understand what bug 603827 is about? o.O
[23:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 603827 in ubuntu "Corruption of ubuntu , user group . (affects: 1) (heat: 382)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603827
[23:21] <km0r3> yofel: The most horrible bug report I've ever read in my life
[23:21] <yofel> I don't get at all what he's trying to say..
[23:22] <km0r3> maybe he should re-describe his problem
[23:22] <km0r3> what do you think?
[23:23] <yofel> I'll post the 'Vague' stock response and see what happens
[23:26] <mrand> How can the heat be 382 on that?
[23:26] <yofel> possibly because pedro touched it
[23:27] <yofel> bug 603827
[23:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 603827 in ubuntu "Corruption of ubuntu , user group . (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603827
[23:27] <charlie-tca__> yofel: agreed. Almost becomes spam by the time you read the last comment, which is nothing but a repeat of the message before it
[23:27] <yofel> I don't get launchpads heat calculation...
[23:27] <jpds> Dear god, that bug looks like a disater zone.
[23:28] <yofel> jpds: agreed