[00:00] <IdleOne> I also believe it takes a little evil in you to be a good op.
[00:00] <IdleOne> hehe if that makes any sense
[00:24] <Niglop> ikonia:
[00:35] <knome> what
[00:35] <Pici> just ljl
[00:35] <funkyHat> heh
[00:36] <knome> if that's taken lightly, i don't wonder why some people argue about getting different level of treatment
[00:36] <knome> i mean, even if it's a joke and so on...
[00:49] <knome> night.
[02:55] <Niglop> can i appeal my ban
[03:06] <IdleOne> who do I make a suggestion about a BT feature?
[03:06] <IdleOne> rather where
[03:15] <Pici> IdleOne: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[03:15] <IdleOne> thank you
[03:15] <IdleOne> Pici: the ban tracker is part of ubuntu-bots?
[03:16] <IdleOne> I guess so :)
[03:16] <Pici> yes
[03:23] <IdleOne> thanks, feature request submitted
[03:25] <nhandler> I'm doing some autobleh work, and I figured I'd ask if there were any features/changes people would like to see made
[03:27] <IdleOne> make it work with xchat
[03:27] <IdleOne> :)
[03:31] <nhandler> Doesn't xchat have chanserv.py or something similar ?
[03:32] <IdleOne> yes
[03:42] <maco> i removed onetimer
[03:42] <nhandler> maco: Why? He didn't make any real racist comments since I quieted and talked to him
[03:42] <IdleOne> he is also in -es being a troll
[03:42] <maco> nhandler: oh i didnt realised youd talked to him. sorry
[03:43] <nhandler> maco: No problem. I didn't make a big deal out of it. He was actually very curteous in PM.
[04:11] <IdleOne> -es needs some help onetimer and vgs21 trolling, racist comments.
[04:14] <IdleOne> also spamming that forum
[04:14] <IdleOne> there doesn't appear to be any channel ops around
[04:22]  * nhandler is too tired to translate and follow the discussion to be able to make a good judgement in there
[04:23] <IdleOne> nhandler: I don't suppose my word is enough. you can ask MaRk-I who is in there also
[04:24] <nhandler> IdleOne: Well, I'm not directly on the access list there (only through IRCC), so I would prefer to be a bit more certain. Let me see if I can find a named channel op for there
[05:04] <IdleOne> did not realize I had ops there also
[05:04] <IdleOne> thank you maco
[07:05] <Flannel> What a lovely fellow.
[07:14] <KB1JWQ> Flannel: Which?
[07:15] <Flannel> KB1JWQ: _E_MIke
[07:44] <[Screamo]> What codec/plugin do i need to play m4a files?
[07:44] <[Screamo]> arg
[07:44] <[Screamo]> why am i in here>.>
[08:34] <indus> hi
[08:34] <KB1JWQ> Hello.
[08:35] <indus> iam here to resolve my ban
[08:36] <indus> ikonia, hi
[08:41] <indus> anyone active in here?
[08:42] <bazhang> indus, hi
[08:42] <indus> hi bazhang,
[08:42] <bazhang> indus, how may we help you
[08:42] <indus> i have a ban i would like to resolve
[08:42] <indus> if some op could help with this, i would appreciate it
[08:43] <bazhang> indus, you know why you were banned?
[08:43] <indus> yes
[08:43] <indus> for not listening to an op
[08:48] <indus> bazhang,
[08:49] <bazhang> indus, there seems to be an issue with you following channel rules; i.e. not just this one instance
[08:50] <indus> ok
[08:51] <indus> i have been kicked 2 times including this time if i remember right
[08:51] <indus> other than that, i have heeded warnings, including recent one from you if you remember
[08:52] <indus> i can only assure you, my intentions are never to knowingly disrupt the channel
[08:53] <bazhang> you agree then that the channel rules and guidelines are not up for debate?
[08:53] <indus> i need some clarification on that
[08:54] <indus> is user input taken for the guidelines?
[08:54] <indus> if its not up for debate i can live with that sure
[08:55] <indus> also, i dont have a problem per se with the guidelines, i think they are ok
[08:55] <bazhang> it's clearly stated in the guidelines and the code of conduct
[08:55] <indus> yes
[08:56] <indus> i promise, if i have a question on the guidelines, i would not disrupt channel but clarify it hhere
[08:56] <indus> and also, i have been made to understand, to listen to an op at all times
[08:56] <bazhang> you can /msg ubottu guidelines and /msg ubottu coc for clarification
[08:57] <indus> ok
[08:57] <indus> thanks
[08:57] <bazhang> coming here to debate the guidelines or code of conduct is not what this channel is about
[08:57] <indus> ok
[08:57] <indus> i will read it
[08:58] <bazhang> please take a moment to read them both, just so there is clarity on these points
[08:59] <indus> i have read them before too
[08:59] <indus> but there is a line If you disagree with the decision of an operator, then talk to that operator about it in a polite manner.
[08:59] <indus> but i guess we can argue both ways on that
[08:59] <bazhang> such as? what kind of decision are you referring to?
[09:00] <indus> nothing ,maybe iam just sore due to the kick
[09:00] <indus> but i now understand i violated one of the guidelines
[09:01] <indus> of not listening to an op so fair enough i guess
[09:01] <bazhang> it's not one op targeting you or some such
[09:01] <indus> i argued with him in #ubuntu
[09:01] <indus> true
[09:02] <bazhang> the channel is a shared resource, and we try to keep it running as smoothly as possible
[09:02] <indus> i know bazhang , and you know, my intentions are always to help in there
[09:02] <bazhang> that's why we insist people keep the noise (chat) to #ubuntu-offtopic , and support in #ubuntu
[09:03] <indus> but i guess the kicks in a way help you learn more restraint
[09:06] <indus> i understand bazhang
[09:08] <bazhang> indus, try to /join #ubuntu  , and please obey the channel guidelines and code of conduct in future, thanks.
[09:08] <indus> bazhang, thank you
[09:08] <indus> bazhang, i have 2 ips banned is both lifted
[09:09] <indus> this one and one more last night
[09:09] <bazhang> indus, you tried joining yet?
[09:09] <indus> yes still banned this one
[09:11] <bazhang> indus,  try now please
[09:11] <indus> ah yes works now
[09:11] <indus> ok thank you
[09:11] <bazhang> okay
[09:11] <indus> bye
[09:11] <bazhang> see you
[09:11] <indus> yes see you around
[09:12] <indus> also, i forward apologies to ikonia
[11:08] <ikonia> howdy rocket16
[11:08] <rocket16> Hello respected operators,
[11:08] <ikonia> rocket16: how can we help today ?
[11:08] <rocket16> ikonia: Fine, thanks, :)
[11:08] <rocket16> ikonia: I need a suggeston, friend.
[11:09] <ikonia> please ask
[11:09] <rocket16> That is, I heard from some people, that in our custom channels, we can't use any term related to Ubuntu, is it so?
[11:10] <ikonia> what channel ?
[11:10] <rocket16> I mean, like #ubundu-india-users won't be allowed to continue, according to what I heard. Is this information correct?
[11:10] <ikonia> wnad what sort of terms (can you give me some examples)
[11:10] <ikonia> rocket16: let me guess, has this come from Indus ?
[11:10] <rocket16> ikonia: I mean, the new channels we created on Freenode, :)
[11:11] <rocket16> ikonia: Sure, I mean, the names of channels with the word "Ubuntu".
[11:11] <rocket16> ikonia: Like, #ubuntuindia or #ubuntuusers
[11:11] <ikonia> rocket16: the #ubuntu-* name space is controlled by the Ubuntu IRC channels, so if you want to make an ubuntu channel then you'll need to speak tot he ubuntu IRC council
[11:11] <ikonia> rocket16: you know there is #ubuntu-in ?
[11:12] <ikonia> which is the official ubuntu india loco channel
[11:12] <rocket16> ikonia: Yes, :) I joined already, but most of the time, it remains quiet.
[11:12] <ikonia> rocket16: so how would creating another indian channel fix that ?
[11:12] <rocket16> ikonia: Thanks for the information, friend. That was what I intended to know, :) really thanks for the help.
[11:13] <rocket16> ikonia: Well, I did not think of creating another channel like Ubuntu-india, I just was thinking of creating a new one, and assigning a name to it, :)
[11:13] <ikonia> ah ok
[11:13] <ikonia> rocket16: did Indus tell you this ?
[11:14] <rocket16> ikonia: Since #ubuntu is trademarked, so I'd assign a new name to it. Thanks for the help, friend.
[11:14] <ikonia> rocket16: could you please answer the question
[11:14] <rocket16> ikonia: Indus? Is this the nickname of any person? If so, he hadn't,
[11:14] <ikonia> ok, thank you
[11:14] <rocket16> ikonia: I didn't talk to anyone named Indus here,
[11:14] <ikonia> he queried similar query
[11:14] <ikonia> so I wondered if he had told you the wrong info
[11:14] <rocket16> ikonia: Thanks friend. See you again, :) bye.
[11:14] <ikonia> welcome
[11:14] <rocket16> Bye all operators, :) thanks.
[11:15]  * gnomefreak doesnt believe him
[11:15] <ikonia> I don't either
[11:15] <ikonia> the odds of indus being upset about this, then the next day another indian user query it are not good
[11:17] <gnomefreak> Indus? Is this the nickname of any  person?   is what bothers me after he dodged the ? every time you asked. but nothing can be done exept look, for a channel
[11:18] <ikonia> I know they know each other as I watched them talk in #ubuntu-in
[11:18] <gnomefreak> why dont them make an -in-ot without the #ubuntu part
[11:19] <ikonia> they don't need one
[11:19] <gnomefreak> or ask for official -ot channel
[11:19] <ikonia> #ubuntu-in has some solid users
[11:19] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:19] <ikonia> it's an open discussion channel any way
[11:19] <gnomefreak> so they want a channel without ops in it. i thought there were a few of them
[11:21] <ikonia> I didn't think they wanted a channel with out ops
[11:21] <ikonia> did I miss-read that ?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> i was thinking since they wanted another channel that was a way for them to to get around his ban
[11:29] <gnomefreak> so they can speak freely without worrying about being banned
[11:34] <bazhang> his bans are removed (indus)
[14:27] <h00k> KaoS``: how can we help you?
[14:31] <Pici> ikonia: poke
[14:33] <Pici> h00k: ikonia has forwarded all of shellium here for some reason.
[14:33] <h00k> ah, that's right. there were some problems with that, I remember that now
[14:45] <ikonia> Pici: poke back
[14:46] <Pici> ikonia: So... shellium
[14:46] <ikonia> I'm drafting a wiki page at the moment for a communication method between us/shellium if there are problem users
[14:46] <Pici> ikonia: But all shellium hosts are forwarded here right now.
[14:46] <ikonia> the admin team from shellium have been very helpful and are very keen to not have their resources explited
[14:47] <ikonia> yes, I put that forward on while it was being worked through, I'd manually granted a few exmpts, as the shellium throughput was low beyond problem users it was an easy process to manage
[14:47] <ikonia> I'm putting an agenda on the next irccc to discuss these open shell servers and how/why they are treated differently from things like web chat
[14:48] <ikonia> it will be all documented and resolved before the weekend
[15:25] <highvoltage> I'm finally identified again \o/
[15:25]  * nhandler talks to amigad
[15:25] <bazhang> no voice though. weird
[15:26] <jussi> peoples, if you use chanserv, please note it in here so we know who did it?
[15:28] <nhandler> It was noted. And I was just thinking, would anyone else find it useful to have ubottu report new bans/quiets as they are set in here? That way, people could quickly see that a ! o p s call was actioned.
[15:29] <ikonia> please no
[15:33] <nixternal> nhandler: why talk to amigad? he didn't even do anything to warrant the +q....he was helping, said a couple of things being kind of funny
[15:33] <nixternal> tis the reason I did the -q
[15:33] <nixternal> stop being anal ops :p
[15:34] <nhandler> nixternal: Because I didn't see those earlier messages. I just saw a couple questionable messages there and an OPs call. Note that it was a simple quiet with a PM, not a kickban or anything like that.
[15:36] <nixternal> still, an anal move in my eyes..don't make me hunt you down and steal your bike!
[15:37] <nixternal> don't make me come over to the grove...not my kind of ghetto, but I will if I have to :p
[15:37] <nhandler> :)
[15:46] <nixternal> i woke up to early this morning...don't have anything to do really until this evening...should just go for a ride I guess
[15:49] <h00k> nixternal: you tweeted/dented something hilarious the other day, I just forget what it was.
[15:49] <nixternal> probably a good thing that you forgot :)
[15:50] <h00k> nixternal: it wasn't the mac/iphone rant, but it was similar.
[15:51] <nixternal> mactards > freetards?
[15:51] <h00k> yeah, it wasn't that one,
[15:51] <nixternal> hehe
[15:51] <nixternal> nhandler: I am hungry, buy me lunch!
[15:51] <h00k> I think it was the Eris/Pants one.
[15:51] <nixternal> damn, it is only 10am
[15:52] <h00k> says the internet stalker. I'm not odd, I swear :(
[15:52] <nixternal> oh...yeah, i got quite a few DMs on that one... a couple from Verizon, a couple from Htc...they loved it
[15:52] <h00k> hahaha
[16:16] <ikonia> chum_chum in ubuntu is a known problem user under another nick
[16:16] <ikonia> I can't remember which one though
[16:17] <IdleOne> ikonia: he is responding to someone who told him to use clamav
[16:17] <ikonia> yes, I know that, but I'm trying to remember his other nicks
[16:30] <IdleOne> Hello experiMENTAL
[16:30] <experiMENTAL> hi
[16:30] <IdleOne> you had questions about the channel rules?
[16:30] <experiMENTAL> is it against channel rules if i'll ask same question like 1 time an hour?
[16:31] <IdleOne> no
[16:31] <experiMENTAL> ty
[16:31] <IdleOne> provided it is on topic
[16:32] <IdleOne> experiMENTAL: was there anything else?
[16:34] <experiMENTAL> can you see my question on ubuntu channel?
[16:34] <IdleOne> experiMENTAL: If that is all please part this channel, we have a no idling rule. Thank you.
[16:34] <IdleOne> yes I saw your question
[16:34] <experiMENTAL> ty. bye
[16:34] <IdleOne> ikonia: do KaoS`` and zz_b0w need exempts?
[16:35] <ikonia> actually, I'll remove the forward now I have a process in place
[16:35] <IdleOne> ok
[16:36] <ikonia> done
[16:36] <IdleOne> KaoS`` and zz_b0w you should now be able to join #ubuntu. Please part this channel.
[17:08] <IdleOne> added a mark for tPl0ch has quit (Quit: My balls are itching, need a wash...)
[17:42] <ikonia> there is no forward in place now
[17:42] <ikonia> (hasn't been since ove an hour ago
[22:01] <octavio> Hello, I appear as banned from #ubuntu, but dont know the reason, i usually make use of #lubuntu and #ubuntu-es but not that channel. I think someone has been using my nick (octavio wasn't registered but was in use so i came to #freenode to get it registered for me).
[22:02] <ikonia> octavio: 1 moment
[22:02] <ikonia> octavio: what channel
[22:02] <ikonia> from #ubuntu ?
[22:02] <octavio> yes
[22:09] <ikonia> ahhh
[22:09] <ikonia> you're not banned
[22:09] <ikonia> you're using web chat
[22:09] <ikonia> webchat should forward you to #ubuntu-proxy-users but for some reason it's not
[22:09] <octavio> oh thats the problem lol :)
[22:09] <ikonia> if you manually join that channel, the bot will allow you to join #ubuntu
[22:10] <octavio> it is ok if i use chatzilla? (firefox add-on)
[22:11] <ikonia> sure
[22:11] <octavio> Well it just work thank you ikonia
[22:12] <octavio> greetings from Sonora, Mexico :)