[00:22]  * Quintasan needs to pester Launchpad admins
[02:30] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys... Interesting problem.
[02:31] <DarkwingDuck> I get freeze with 64bit 10.04... But not with 32bit
[02:43] <claydoh> so, would apt see 4:4.4.92a-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 as newer than  4:4.4.92-0ubuntu3? 
[02:44] <claydoh> sommeone in forum.kde.org upgraded to Maverick and can't install kdelibs5-dev :/
[02:54] <maco> Riddell: wouldve liked it if you had such plans :-/
[02:54] <DarkwingDuck> \Hey maco, thanks for covering for me for user days. :/
[02:55] <maco> DarkwingDuck: np
[02:56] <DarkwingDuck> maco: saved me but, it was needed...
[04:12] <ScottK> claydoh: Yes.
[05:32] <soreau> Can anyone tell me the difference between kdelibs4-dev and kdelibs5-dev?
[05:32] <soreau>  Ultimately I'm trying to figure out which deps are needed to build kde4-window-decorator for compiz
[07:38] <soreau> got it
[08:57] <Riddell> claydoh: yes 4:4.4.92a-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2 will be "newer" than 4:4.4.92-0ubuntu3
[08:57] <Riddell> where does that come from?
[08:57] <Riddell> Qt building on ARM, fingers crossed
[09:04]  * ulysses crosses fingers
[09:17] <Quintasan> \o/
[09:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: ha, ha, now we are fighting to import kdelibs, someone did that some time ago and now it's borked
[09:18] <Quintasan> :/
[09:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: import where?
[09:24] <Quintasan> to Launchpad
[09:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you need a quota increase?
[09:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: yes we did
[09:26] <Quintasan> we still do
[09:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's the question number?
[09:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/117762
[09:28] <Riddell> I wonder what "opening for losas" means
[09:29] <Riddell> ah, Launchpad and Landscape Operational Systems Administrators
[09:29] <Riddell> hmm, I don't think I know any of those people
[09:29] <Riddell> guess I can just add my support
[09:32] <Quintasan> would be great
[09:45] <Riddell> can anyone actually get crash reports from drkonqi in maverick yet?
[09:45]  * Quintasan fires up maverick machine
[09:46] <Riddell> start a KDE app, kill -SEGV <pid>  check backtrace
[09:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts uploaded
[09:51] <Riddell> Quintasan: does neon need launchpad imports?
[09:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: yes, recipes need code to be in launchpad
[10:08] <Riddell> ScottK: spoke to arne about im-switch using zenity, seems it's only used for features that language-selector does anyway so he's going to remove it from im-switch and we don't have to care about porting to kdialog
[10:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: brr... every app krashes here when i close it
[10:46] <Riddell> uh oh
[10:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and yes i get a backtrace
[10:48] <Riddell> well that's something
[10:48] <shadeslayer> i think it was fixed in the last updates or something
[10:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger knows about it i think
[10:49] <shadeslayer> also.. qoauth is still in universe :(
[10:49] <shadeslayer> and kdevelop 4.0.1 was released
[10:49] <shadeslayer> im working on it
[10:52] <Riddell> Get: 1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main libqoauth1 1.0-2ubuntu1 [28.5kB]
[10:52] <Riddell> it's in main ^^
[10:53] <shadeslayer> weird.. lp page still shows universe :S
[10:54] <shadeslayer> omg
[10:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell:  Quintasan https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/117762
[10:54] <shadeslayer> go for project Neon !
[10:55] <Riddell> groovy
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you sync bug 607864
[10:56] <shadeslayer> brrr
[10:56] <shadeslayer> wrong bug 
[10:56] <shadeslayer> bug 608378
[10:58] <shadeslayer> but unfortunately : https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~neon/project-neon/kdelibs : :/
[10:58] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^^
[11:06] <sheytan> hey
[11:06] <sheytan> what package should i install for qt development files?
[11:06] <shadeslayer> lo
[11:06] <shadeslayer> sheytan: libqt4-dev
[11:06] <sheytan> shadeslayer, thanks
[11:07] <Riddell> hi sheytan, saw your web design, looks pretty
[11:07] <sheytan> Riddell Thank you :)
[11:07] <Riddell> we are 90% of the way there with a new design which has taken many month
[11:08] <Riddell> so we're not looking for new designs now, hassle enough to get the one we have been working on for the last year up
[11:08] <Riddell> but when it's launched then we will want to look into how to improve it of course
[11:08] <sheytan> :)
[11:08] <sheytan> hey guys, can someone take a look at this http://pastebin.com/234pfdN8
[11:08] <sheytan> Looks like the problem happens only in kubuntu
[11:09] <sheytan> i complied this on slackware without any problem
[11:09] <shadeslayer> bluedevil == new bluetooth manager right?
[11:09] <sheytan> shadeslayer yes
[11:10] <shadeslayer> no idea :P
[11:10] <sheytan> first when i had this error, i thought it was libbluedevil related. Then i complied the same sources on slackware fine
[11:10] <\sh> sheytan: looks like libqt4-dev is not installed
[11:10] <sheytan> \sh it is :/
[11:10] <sheytan> maybe the package misses some stuff
[11:11] <\sh> hardcoded -I paths inside the makesystem?
[11:11] <sheytan> \sh don't even know what this is :D
[11:11] <sheytan> i installed kdebase and kdelibs dev packages
[11:11] <sheytan> buildessential
[11:11] <sheytan> and qt devel package
[11:12] <sheytan> other programs compile fine
[11:12] <\sh> sheytan: inside the makesystem of this tool, it could be that one of compiler flags is set hardcoded to a different include path for qt include files
[11:12] <shadeslayer> ^^ might want to check cmakelists.txt
[11:13] <sheytan> this is cmakelists http://pastebin.com/GH2NscPh
[11:15] <sheytan> \sh shadeslayer might it be that in kubuntu i have qt 4.7?
[11:15] <sheytan> i mean, can 4.7 couses the problem
[11:15] <shadeslayer> no idea...
[11:15] <shadeslayer> could be
[11:15] <shadeslayer> im not sure tho
[11:15] <yofel> hm, is there a gui to do release upgrades in kubuntu? (or do we use update-manager for that too) 
[11:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: update-manager
[11:17] <\sh> sheytan: pointer to the source release? 
[11:17] <sheytan> \sh don't know what you mean :)
[11:17] <\sh> sheytan: from where did  you get the sourcecode?
[11:17] <sheytan> \sh http://gitorious.org/libbluedevil
[11:21] <\sh> I bet something is wrong with the default QT4_INCLUDE_PATH, eventually that the makesystem is not finding the correct location....
[11:21] <\sh> don't have the time yet to check 
[11:21] <sheytan> \sh ok, thanks anyway :)
[11:29] <Riddell> it's only a problem in that test/ directory
[11:29] <Riddell> everything else has the right includes as the compile line
[11:32] <Riddell> if I comment out test in bluedevil/CMakeLists.txt it finishes fine
[11:32] <shadeslayer> test fail :P
[11:35] <Riddell> sorted
[11:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is it possible to resume building from pbuilder if there was a error and i dropped to shell to fix it?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> meh.. anyways.. im off to make my training report... :>
[11:45] <Riddell> I don't know, I don't use pbuilder for anything other than a final check
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: would you mind pushing virtuoso-opensource through new queue? soprano is sort've broken until the new packages get through. (an oversight on my part)
[12:49]  * apachelogger is wondering what to get for lunch :S
[12:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: let me look
[12:52] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[12:52] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[12:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: poke..
[12:56] <shadeslayer> dude.. where did you store your recipie ?
[12:57] <apachelogger> in his cookbook ^^
[12:57] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[12:58] <shadeslayer> the Qt recipe i mean 
[13:02]  * apachelogger looks
[13:02]  * apachelogger starves
[13:02] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:02]  * shadeslayer gives apachelogger some food
[13:02]  * apachelogger supposedly will just command his bike to take him to some establishment where one can obtain meals
[13:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sudo make_me_a_sandwich
[13:04] <apachelogger> I think no sudo necesary there
[13:04] <apachelogger> also no raw ingredients are available so that will fail
[13:05] <apachelogger> OMG it is like a 30000 degree celsius outside
[13:07] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:08] <apachelogger> and who invented hair -.-
[13:10] <apachelogger> well then, I am off looking for someting to eat o/
[13:15] <MrDarkUser> Hi, I'm  really struggling  with getting a kde build enviornment set up, I am attempting to use kdesrc-build and have some pastebins.
[13:15] <MrDarkUser> if anybody cares
[13:19] <MrDarkUser> http://pastebin.com/bzwzrReL
[13:24] <Riddell> MrDarkUser: looks like an error in libstreamanalyzer
[13:25] <MrDarkUser> Riddell: I was told to do something with nm by another person, and found that there is that symbol
[13:25] <MrDarkUser> in the libstreamanalyser.so.0.7,  I don't know why that matters
[13:26] <MrDarkUser> I'm running kdesrc-build and have no idea what to do next
[13:27] <MrDarkUser> I followed the kdesrc-build documentation at kdesrc-build.kde.org and the onlything that is funny about my system is it is kubuntu 10.04 32bit with the kde4.5ppa on it
[13:27] <MrDarkUser> and I don't see how a conflict could come ppa vs reglar 10.04
[13:28] <MrDarkUser> Riddell: I have plenty of time, I just don't know what else I can do
[13:29] <Riddell> MrDarkUser: do you have libstreamanalyzer-dev installed?
[13:31] <jtechidna> Riddell: thanks
[13:41] <MrDarkUser> Riddell: yes. I know there are a lot of busy people out there, I've gotten similar errors when I tried opensuse as a base, and ended up going back to kubuntu and successfully building the 4.5 branch, I'm thinking that I might have to pay somebody to guide me thru this
[13:59] <Riddell> MrDarkUser: are you interested in any paticular part of KDE?  personally I don't build a whole separate development environment, I just use packages for the bits I don't care about and only compile the bit I'm working on
[14:00] <MrDarkUser> I'm wanting to play with plasma panel behavior, and the fileview parts of dolphin, so getting into kdelibs a bit
[14:03] <MrDarkUser> (I think I wore out the kde-devel guy who had started to help me, and I think there is something broken with the kdesrc-build program)
[14:38] <Adri2000> I'm trying to add and configure a news widget using plasma scripting (in lucid)
[14:40] <Riddell> MrDarkUser: so I'd just checkout kdelibs and compile only that
[14:40] <txwikinger> why does kded4 create 100s of defunct children?
[14:40] <Riddell> txwikinger: doesn't here
[14:41] <txwikinger> Riddell: I think you need to hibernate
[14:41] <Adri2000> (and had troubles with using writeConfig(), but looks like it gonna work now :-))
[14:41] <Riddell> txwikinger: I've suspended lots, no defunct processes here
[14:42] <txwikinger> Well. I think it only does it with hibernate
[14:42] <txwikinger> Actually I have 2 defuncts on my desktop which neither hibernates nor suspends
[14:42] <txwikinger> but on my netbook I have 2472 now
[14:44] <txwikinger> hehe killing the main kded4 process has really unny effects
[14:47] <txwikinger> Riddell: I can reproduce it every time
[15:00] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: install-package breaks for me when run through language-selector, so that would be a nice first target for qapt-batch :)
[15:00] <Quintasan> god damn it
[15:00] <Quintasan> stupid python
[15:01]  * txwikinger thinks it sounds like a problem between the chair and the keyboard
[15:01] <Quintasan> < maxb> Quintasan: Only by someone first fixing bug 579491
[15:01] <Quintasan> txwikinger: and guess what is the problem?
[15:02] <Quintasan> PYTHON!
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: sure. I have kubuntu-notification-helper, kubuntu-firefox-installer and kubuntu-debug-installer already ported in bzr.
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I just want to wait for the libqapt beta release (which is also API freeze) to do my symbols file-ing
[15:02] <JontheEchidna> then I can file the MIR
[15:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: give me an axe or something, I'm going to Python devs
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> beta is planned a week from yesterday
[15:04]  * txwikinger wonders if an axe is the right tool to fix anything like that
[15:05] <Quintasan> txwikinger: Trust me, for Python, it will work flawlessly
[15:05] <Quintasan> Eliminating the cause if the best solution for any problem
[15:06] <txwikinger> Quintasan: I told you .. the cause sits between chair and keyboard
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52316355/buildlog.txt.gz << hahahaha
[15:06] <Quintasan> txwikinger: Are you implying that launchpad devs are the cause of python being faulty?
[15:06] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1153095 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/MuonMainWindow.cpp (log message trimmed)
[15:06] <CIA-33> Use a KMessageBox::detailedError for presenting our queued errors, since the
[15:06] <CIA-33> text isn't selectable in KMessageBox::errorList. This is not ideal as a very
[15:07] <shadeslayer> commit message cut off ^^ 
[15:07]  * txwikinger thinks he did not imply anything
[15:08]  * txwikinger checks defunct process after reboot
[15:09] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1153096 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Mirror revision 1153095 in qapt-batch
[15:09] <txwikinger> 0
[15:09] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1153098 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp ...and also don't forget about the newlines
[15:09] <shadeslayer> heh.... ubottu joins CIA-33 in fillinf chan logs
[15:09] <shadeslayer> *fillinf
[15:09]  * shadeslayer shoots keyboard....
[15:10] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: The problem is between the chair and the keyboard
[15:10] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: no.. the problem is the keyboard :P
[15:21] <CIA-33> [muon] jmthomas * 1153103 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h) Muon can technically handle reloading after software-properties-kde finishes, but it has to ask authorization since muon isn't run as root. Therefore, let software-properties-kde take care of things
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> mmm, latest intel driver crack. brb rebooting
[15:33] <shadeslayer> new drivers break my pretty boot screen :|
[15:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are very agressive young man
[16:01]  * Trouble slaps Virtuoso around a bit with a large trout
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> ya, sorry about the overwrites. a fix is building
[16:02] <shadeslayer> Trouble: sudo apt-get -f install
[16:02]  * Trouble slaps JontheEchidna around a bit with a large trout :-p
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:02] <Trouble> ta shadeslayer
[16:05]  * Trouble hugs JontheEchidna and shadeslayer
[16:12] <shadeslayer> uh oh...
[16:12] <shadeslayer> its never good when Trouble hugs you ... ^_^
[16:33] <davmor2> shadeslayer: let me guess your day goes downhill from here on in ;)
[16:39]  * Trouble visits apachelogger
[16:41] <apachelogger> Trouble: too hot for trouble really
[16:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: But don't you suffer from the problem that anywhere you're locate gets unnaturally hot due to some of the hotness rubbing off?
[16:44] <apachelogger> well observed, but usually it does not get that hot!
[16:50] <shadeslayer> davmor2: its night here :p
[16:53] <Riddell> dantti: what's the status (if any) of your printer tools and packagekit app view?
[16:53] <dantti> Riddell: two kids and a wife on vacations at home :P
[16:54] <Riddell> you've got a whole team to do the coding for you :)
[16:54] <dantti> Riddell: well aptcc got the bits for debconf, and distro-upgrade works but the file is not installing on the right place
[16:54] <Riddell> dantti: which file?
[16:56] <dantti> Riddell: get-distro-upgrade.py
[16:56] <dantti> hmm actually it's not even being installed
[16:57] <Riddell> dantti: that sounds like an easy issue to solve though, should we try and get aptcc in for alpha 3 next week?
[16:57] <dantti> sure we can make a patch for that should not be hard just a path issue
[16:58] <dantti> then the most important I'll try to fix now
[16:58] <dantti> when packagekitd quits packagekit-qt stops receiving signals when packagekitd comes back
[16:59] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hehe... looks like your upload causes  this : http://pastebin.ca/1906062
[16:59] <dantti> in kubuntu 10.4 (kpk 0.5) has the problem too :(
[16:59] <dantti> and I have no idea why this happens :P
[16:59] <Riddell> dantti: groovy, can you e-mail me where to grab the code or patch for aptcc when it's sensible to upload?  
[17:00] <dantti> Riddell: k, no problem when is the dead line?
[17:00] <Riddell> tuesday is freeze so before monday evening
[17:01] <dantti> hmmm that's not nice, can kpk and debconf-qt be pushed after?
[17:01] <Riddell> yes
[17:01] <dantti> next week I'll probably have much more time
[17:02] <dantti> Riddell: k, k so for you it's better to fix packagekit aptcc and the qt lib right?
[17:02] <Riddell> better than what?
[17:03] <dantti> I mean tuesday is freeze but you said kpk and debconf-qt can be pushed after so I'd like to know what is more important...
[17:03] <Riddell> oh only freeze for alpha 3, we can put stuff in after alpha 3 (Thursday)
[17:04] <Riddell> FeatureFreeze is august 12th
[17:04] <Riddell> so it's nice to get aptcc in for alpha 3 to get testing, but if it's after that's fine too
[17:04]  * Riddell out
[17:07] <dantti> k
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please sync choqok before archive freezes
[17:08] <dantti> Riddell: btw it would be good to have this bug fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/188127
[17:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://imgur.com/AueyK << the mark for unmark button isnt really helpful ^_^
[17:19] <dantti> JontheEchidna: we still need to copy the cmake file to use debconf-kde right?
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> dantti: copy the cmake file?
[17:36] <JontheEchidna> dantti: it should be  in a place where find(Debconf-Kde) should find it
[17:36] <dantti> JontheEchidna: yes the debconf foo stuff
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> In muon I'm just doing find_package(DebconfKDE REQUIRED) and it works
[17:37] <dantti> JontheEchidna: but what if debconf is not installed?
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> debconf or debconf-kde?
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> If debconf-kde is not present, it won't build, as it can't build without it. It doesn't require debconf itself to build, but packages should ensure that it is installed
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> packages with debconf questions already depend on debconf, so we shouldn't have to worry about a runtime dependency
[17:44] <kdepepo> hi, how can I find kubuntu specific patches to KDE? I am specifically looking for a diff of kdebase in LTS 10.04
[17:46] <shadeslayer> kdepepo: diff of kdebase?
[17:46] <kdepepo> (if any, compared to upstream)
[17:46] <shadeslayer> kdepepo: all our packaging is @ code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members
[17:46] <shadeslayer> so you can see what interests you there 
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that's trunk
[17:47] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: uh what?
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> he wants 10.04
[17:47] <shadeslayer> ohhhhh
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> bzr is trunk
[17:47] <shadeslayer> right you are....
[17:48] <shadeslayer> kdepepo: ^^
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> kdepepo: these were what were shipped with 10.04: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase/ubuntu/files/109/debian/patches/
[17:49] <kdepepo> ah nice, thanks JontheEchidna
[17:50] <dantti> JontheEchidna: right but for kpk i need it to build witouth it since fedora doesn't have debconf... :P
[17:50] <dantti> *without
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> ifdef DEBCONF_IS_ENABLED?
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> or something like that
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> you'd probably have to set a macro if debconf-kde is found
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> then ifdef that in the code
[17:51] <dantti> can i ifndef the cmakefile?
[17:51] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[17:51] <dantti> hmm k
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, apachelogger: The scripts should probably be updated to depend on libkdecore5 rather than kdelibs5, since kdelibs5 is a transitional package
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> oh, the scripts for kde-l10n-*
[18:12] <apachelogger> there is no scripts
[18:12] <apachelogger> what scripts
[18:12] <apachelogger> :P
[18:13] <apachelogger> you did not read my guide to master the kde-l10n clearly :P
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> I thought you used magic scripts
[18:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide
[18:13] <apachelogger> the scripts only use the powers of the universe to make one packaging branch apply to some 50 packages
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> ah, so we just need to update the packaging branch
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> then next build it'll automagically propogate to all l10n
[18:15] <apachelogger> yep
[18:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we can make something like klippy in kword ^_^
[18:18] <CIA-33> [kde-l10n-common] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100722171803-u0xjyxnyv8tro1i6 * debian/control Depend on libkdecore5 rather than the transitional kdelibs5
[18:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you gotta think bigger... how about klippy for KDE
[18:20] <apachelogger> ktip -> klippy
[18:20] <apachelogger> this would be so sexy
[18:20] <shadeslayer> klippy++
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> I can almost remove kdelibs5 from my system: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopce1620
[18:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: did you get my message earlier ? :)
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> message?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> the one about http://imgur.com/AueyK
[18:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://imgur.com/AueyK << the mark for unmark button isnt really helpful ^_^
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> I guess it shouldn't show the mark for: label when the only action is unmark
[18:25] <shadeslayer> yep...
[18:26] <shadeslayer> or maybe,be a little more descriptive
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Unmark for upgrade
[18:26] <shadeslayer> or .. Do not Upgrade
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> will have to wait for the next release after 1.0. We're in string freeze now
[18:26] <shadeslayer> no problem
[18:26] <shadeslayer> just remember it :P
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> I could hide the label without breaking string freeze in the meanwhile
[18:27] <shadeslayer> please do ... its confusing :D
[18:27] <oxymoron> Does somebody know if there is some kind of app in KDE/Kubuntu which is able to make flow schemes. I need it to make relationships and logic schemes when programming a really complex thing.
[18:27] <shadeslayer> oh oh.. muon doesnt work when db is locked and apt dies
[18:27] <shadeslayer> !aptfix 
[18:27] <shadeslayer> and you have to manually run ^^
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> oxymoron: umbrello?
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> !info umbrello
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> hmm, the short description isn't very helpful
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> but that is probably what you want
[18:31] <oxymoron> JontheEchidna: Yeah it seems like it is what I want, thanks man :) Could be useful other times as well. Not sure if it helps though, even if I make some kind of flow over what I am trying todo, I dont know if its possible to program it anyway :P
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:31] <oxymoron> I need a mix of recursive loops, chain reaciton pattern and treeiterator :P
[18:34] <dantti> JontheEchidna: moved to kdereview
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> yay
[18:35] <shadeslayer> btw.. 
[18:35] <shadeslayer> why cant we give out our @ubuntu.com or @kubuntu.org addresses to people for adding them to gtalk
[18:36] <shadeslayer> or is it possible? 
[18:40] <\sh> shadeslayer: no xmpp service for ubuntu.com/kubuntu.com?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> :(
[18:41] <shadeslayer> \sh: theres no kubuntu.com.. only kubuntu.org :D
[18:41] <\sh> shadeslayer: whatever ;
[18:42] <\sh> shadeslayer: there is kubuntu.com ;)
[18:42] <shadeslayer> \sh: its just a alias to kubuntu.org :D
[18:45] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i haz something for you
[18:45] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://imgur.com/cmQUV
[18:46] <dantti> JontheEchidna: which list should I email about libdebconf for kubuntu
[18:46] <jjesse> i've never understood why it was kubuntu.org instead of kubuntu.com
[18:46] <jjesse> any explantation?
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> dantti: kubuntu-devel is fine
[18:46] <dantti> @ kubuntu.org?
[18:46] <shadeslayer> dantti: @lists.ubuntu.com
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[18:47] <dantti> thanks
[18:47] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: do you like it? :D
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> in pointy-clicky link form
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: well, we could reuse widgets we already have
[18:47] <shadeslayer> i just created that from designer :p
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> like MuonMainWindow, and the ReviewWidget
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> or maybe not reviewwidget, but use the PackageView and DetailsWidget that make up the ReviewWidget, and have the new class automatically show upgradeable packages
[18:49] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i have no idea what your talking about :D
[18:49] <shadeslayer> i just made that up in qt designer
[18:50] <dantti> JontheEchidna: oh I can't post to that list
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> dantti: moderated?
[18:50] <dantti> but I got to go home now.. cya ..
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> or can't post at all?
[18:50] <dantti> yup
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> ah, well, we'll have to have someone get the message through queue
[18:50] <dantti> You are not allowed to post to this mailing list
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> :s
[18:51] <dantti> it said it has been rejected 
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> that doesn't seem right. somebody should look in to that
[18:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://imgur.com/8VfuW
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> anyways, cya
[18:51] <shadeslayer> a bit more
[18:51] <shadeslayer> aww....
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> (was saying cya to dantti. I'm not going)
[18:52] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: fixed all the buttons and stuff in this one http://imgur.com/nTV6Z
[18:53] <oxymoron> May I ask for help in here regarding programming? Nbody in php channels answer, but its not really a PHP issue. I need help with the programming logic only.
[18:53] <shadeslayer> i can try
[18:54] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:54] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: go !
[18:54] <oxymoron> This is my code currently http://pastebin.com/1pzwYD0K which in a main class. THen it start chain with process method, then call processNext for each chain and then inside each chain call next processNext :P
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> ...unless of course the display freezes, in which case I must reboot
[18:54] <oxymoron> But now I ALSO need to make process recursively chainable as well :P
[18:55] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: you reboot so fast?
[18:55] <oxymoron> IF any element contain a decorator with decorations it should call process and call that chain before previous one :P
[18:55] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: so basically its recursive ?
[18:55] <oxymoron> Right now I just get an infinite loop :P
[18:55] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Yes
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: keep in mind that the connection had to time out
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> but I can reboot in about 40 seconds, yeah
[18:56] <shadeslayer> you need to add some conditions
[18:56] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: sweet
[18:56] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Or well from beginning I only had Iterator and Chain pattern. But now I need to make it recursive as well :P
[18:56] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Conditions?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: conditions that will break the loop
[18:57] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: simplest example in C++ for this is the factorial function
[18:57] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Yes, "if (key($this->positions) !== null)  {" if null, then return $this->xml
[18:57] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: The problem is that each element calls processNext in itself :P
[18:58] <shadeslayer> well you need to assign null at some point of time then
[18:58] <shadeslayer> within this function
[18:58] <oxymoron> Could be infinite loop anywhere in the chain, doesnt need to be in process or processNext methods in themselves :P
[18:58] <oxymoron> Yes when theres no more elements in ArrayIterator it will return null automaticly ;)
[18:58] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: is there somewhere your assigning null to positions ?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> idk php.. keep that in mind :)
[18:59] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Theres always associative or integer keys, cant assign null as a key for an element.
[18:59] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: uh
[18:59] <shadeslayer> do i  read this right?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> i think theres a issue with braces
[19:00] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: In an array, same in C++ as well I think. You cannot do $array[null] = element1
[19:00] <shadeslayer> function opens at line 12
[19:00] <shadeslayer> closes at 21
[19:00] <oxymoron> No the code itself is correct
[19:00] <shadeslayer> and we have else after line 21 0_o
[19:00] <shadeslayer> oh wait.. another brace there
[19:01] <shadeslayer> no idea mate :)
[19:01] <oxymoron> No need to worry about code, I need help with the logic thinking. I am also open for alternatives how to solve it.
[19:02] <oxymoron> What I am trying todo, is to make a form generator which have one global decorator which all elements and everything uses and each element should be able to decorate itself infinite times :P
[19:03] <oxymoron> Ive been stryggling with this for ages. I have a working one, but not working the elegant way with complete recursion and effiency.
[19:04] <oxymoron> In the one with only chain reaction and iteration, I overdo everything and call methods and classes for nothing and one to many times :P I am trying to make less class files to make code faster.
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> It's so teeny-tiny: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopyl4429
[19:38] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: your making the interface? ^_^
[19:38] <shadeslayer> ( the upgrade interface )
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I figure I can make the initial version in an hour or two
[19:38] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:38] <shadeslayer> please do share the code... ill try to make sense of it :P
[19:39] <ulysses> However it's Muon, but not Muon's fault the problem: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/images/muon/virtuoso_opensource.png
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> it can show upgradeable packages now: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopzh4429
[19:50] <shadeslayer> nice
[19:52] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: is virtuoso fixed?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> the file overwrite errors? yeah
[19:52] <shadeslayer> uploaded as well?
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[19:52] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtuoso-opensource/6.1.2+dfsg1-1ubuntu3
[19:53] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can you sync choqok  then ? ^.^
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> I'm not an archive admin
[19:53] <shadeslayer> awww
[19:53] <shadeslayer> only archive admins can sync?
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> right
[19:58] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1906159 << line 21
[19:58] <shadeslayer> please explain if anyone can
[19:59] <shadeslayer> if text changes in lineEdit object it gives a signal texChanged?
[19:59] <shadeslayer> *textChanged
[19:59] <shadeslayer> ah its a inbuilt function :)
[19:59] <shadeslayer> uh.. s/function/signal
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopgq4429
[20:00] <shadeslayer> you finished it :P
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> nah, those buttons don't do anything yet
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> I still need another half hour, but I have to run an errand
[20:01] <shadeslayer> ahh :D
[20:01] <shadeslayer> you mean you need to just connect them
[20:24] <bulldog98> new kdevelop release happend
[20:24] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: im working on it
[20:24] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: for me it worked
[20:24] <bulldog98> shadeslayer+
[20:24] <shadeslayer> but JontheEchidna broke virtuoso
[20:25] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: what worked?
[20:25] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: the workaround worked
[20:25] <shadeslayer> uh.. what workaround? :)
[20:25] <bulldog98> there is already an bug open and JontheEchidna’s workaround worked for me (aptitude is powerful)
[20:26] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: he fixed it in main archive
[20:26] <shadeslayer> it should be hitting me anytime now
[20:26] <shadeslayer> then i can continue on
[20:26] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: also good
[20:26] <bulldog98> ^^
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yeah, connect the slots and do a few custom things that will work differently in updater mode
[21:06] <bulldog98> is someone taking care of kdevelop-php?
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> yay, muon --updater works
[21:09] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna:  muon ++
[21:09] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: but i found a bug in muon
[21:09] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> exactly half an hour after I returned ;)
[21:09] <shadeslayer> when commiting changes.... it does not show progress barr
[21:09] <shadeslayer> *bar
[21:09] <JontheEchidna> hrm
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> I've seen that, but only sometimes
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> not been able to figure out why yet
[21:10] <shadeslayer> well.. i just installed some dev files and could not see it :P
[21:10] <shadeslayer> lemme uninstall some old kernels
[21:12] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: its working now
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah, only sometimes
[21:12] <shadeslayer> yep
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> I've not yet attempted to debug it
[21:13] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: is there an PPA up for testing?
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> bulldog98: ppa:echidnaman/qapt
[21:15] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: ok, other question has it aptitude support or is that planed?
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> what would aptitude support be?
[21:15]  * shadeslayer lol's
[21:15] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: using aptitude in the background
[21:16] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: aptitude has been removed from Ubuntu ( as in live CD )
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> It uses libapt-pkg (apt) as its backend, and that's not planned to change
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> there is already somebody working on aptitude-qt for GSoC anyways :)
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> hum
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> muon(8373) CommitWidget::setProgress: -1074299320
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> I bet that's why there is no progress in the progress bar
[21:19] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: hum but KpackageKit is not usable for me and I love Konsole so -> aptitude
[21:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1906231
[21:22] <shadeslayer> i dont suppose we need those right?
[21:22] <shadeslayer> because they will be stripped
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> right
[21:23] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: they go into the l10n package
[21:23] <shadeslayer> kdevelop almost done then
[21:23] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: no.. LP imports them afaik
[21:24] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: but they are in kdevelop-l10n-LANG
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> only in the ppa packages^
[21:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna:  ^^
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> they are stripped in Ubuntu, and those packages are empty
[21:25] <shadeslayer> seems we need to drop a lang pack
[21:25] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: but I want lokalisation -,-
[21:25] <bulldog98> ^^
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> bulldog98: they are in language-pack-kde-*
[21:26] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: uh... i has usr/share/locale/pt in debian/kdevelop-l10n-pt.install
[21:26] <shadeslayer> now im all konfused
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: stripping happens after packages are built
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> you can put the missing files in the .install files for the sake of cleanliness
[21:27] <shadeslayer> ok.. so i do need to put them in install files....
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> and l10n in ppas based of the packages
[21:27] <shadeslayer> ill do that... 
[21:27] <shadeslayer> i want to keep dh_install --list-missing happy ^_^
[21:28] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: but we would want usr/share/mime/packages/kdevelop.xml tho
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> yes
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> that's not translations
[21:29] <shadeslayer> yep
[21:29] <shadeslayer> i guess that goes into the -data package
[21:29] <shadeslayer> or the kdevelop.install ?
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: -data
[21:30] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1153225 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/workerinstallprogress.cpp (log message trimmed)
[21:30] <CIA-33> Fix a bug where percentage would only be calculated when the percent was
[21:30] <CIA-33> fractional. This happened because when I added support for fractional
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: also, ^
[21:31] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:31] <shadeslayer> muon++
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> technically LibQApt
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> well
[21:31] <JontheEchidna> technically the QApt worker
[21:32] <CIA-33> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1153226 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp workerinstallprogress.cpp) debug--
[21:34] <yofel> ~karma muon
[21:34] <kubotu> karma for muon: 4
[21:35] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Sorry to be a bit behind, but what's this about aptitude being removed from Ubuntu?
[21:35]  * maxwellian loves aptitude... :(
[21:35] <yofel> only o.O?
[21:35] <shadeslayer> hehe 
[21:35] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/
[21:35] <yofel> maxwellian: removed from live dist
[21:35] <yofel> *disk
[21:35] <shadeslayer> keep visiting that :D
[21:35] <shadeslayer> second post from the top
[21:36] <maxwellian> yofel: Ah, thanks for the clarification.
[21:36] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Awesome, thanks.
[21:36]  * yofel looks at the 17405 unread feed entries in akregator
[21:36] <yofel> where the hell should I start...
[21:36] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: I'm still using Karmic on this machine... :|
[21:36] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:37] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Are you a programmer?
[21:37] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: i do know C++ 
[21:37] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:37] <shadeslayer> but that would be it
[21:37] <shadeslayer> learning Qt atm
[21:38] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Well that's something.  I was just asking because I thought I overheard you earlier saying you didn't do much programming yet.
[21:38] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: But you seem very active in maintaining packages somehow.
[21:38] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: ah.. i dont program much atm.. im more in packaging :)
[21:39] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: https://buildd.debian.org/plasma-widget-fastuserswitch
[21:39] <shadeslayer> we will need to sync that too
[21:39] <shadeslayer> once its onto the debian servers
[21:40] <shadeslayer> ok.. what would the nl and sl translations be for
[21:40] <shadeslayer> i cant make out :/
[21:40] <shadeslayer> like which languages
[21:41] <shadeslayer> ah dutch 
[21:41] <yofel> isn't nl netherlands?
[21:41] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Ah, well you seem to be kicking butt.  You're going to be quite a force when you get more into the bug fixing side! :P
[21:41] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: already on there too :D
[21:41] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Awesome. :)
[21:41] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: well.. theyre more of packaging bugs :P
[21:41] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: see https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg
[21:45] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Well keep up the good work, hopefully I'll be able to help as much as you do not too far in the future! :)
[21:45]  * maxwellian o/\o shadeslayer 
[21:45] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: oh sure :D
[21:45] <shadeslayer> o/
[21:46] <shadeslayer> feel free to ask anything
[21:48] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Thanks I will.  (I was trying to do a high five, by the way :) ).
[21:48] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:48]  * shadeslayer high fives back
[21:48]  * maxwellian feels redeemed :)
[21:50] <maxwellian> Are you guys using a vm or something for maverick?
[21:51]  * maxwellian 's hardware sucks so bad he doesn't think a vm is an option... :\
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> I've been running maverick since the archives opened. I did have to reinstall once, though
[21:52] <maxwellian> JontheEchidna: Running it full time?
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> yep. I am crazy
[21:52]  * maxwellian agrees :P
[21:53] <maxwellian> JontheEchidna: But since most of the development is being applied to Maverick, does that mean that you get to see lots of bugs disappear from your day-to-day stuff?
[21:53] <maxwellian> JontheEchidna: I'm on Karmic, so most bug fixes going on I'm not going to see until I upgrade.
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> the most visible parts are the fixes from KDE
[21:53] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: same here
[21:53] <shadeslayer> im on maverick as well
[21:53] <shadeslayer> and im more krazy
[21:54] <shadeslayer> since i have btrfs \o/
[21:54] <maxwellian> shadeslayer: Great, another nut. ;)
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> which are nice and noticable when you get the next KDE prerelease
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> but mostly, you see when things break :P
[21:54] <shadeslayer> ^^ totally
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> and then you wonder who the idiot was who broke them, and then find out it was you
[21:54] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: also dont install btrfs ... its fast on the first boot but gets slower
[21:54]  * maxwellian looks up btrfs
[21:55] <maxwellian> JontheEchidna: Heh. :)
[21:55] <shadeslayer> s/install/install with
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I don't want to reformat without backing up, and I don't have anything to back up on to yet
[21:55] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: its a new generation file syste,
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> so I won't be switching for a while
[21:55]  * shadeslayer gives JontheEchidna his 1TB external HD
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> I only switched /home to ext4 when I got my new laptop in december
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> (root has been running ext4 since lucid prereleases)
[21:56] <shadeslayer> :o
[21:56] <maxwellian> JontheEchidna: Can you change filesystems without a reformat?
[21:56]  * maxwellian O_o
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> maxwellian: apparently you can with btrfs, since they are similar enough
[21:57] <shadeslayer> maxwellian: ext3->ext4 yest
[21:57] <shadeslayer> *yes
[21:57] <shadeslayer> dont know about btrfs 
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> but sure as hell wouldn't trust a live conversion
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> *but I sure
[21:57] <shadeslayer> also.. btrfs.fsck() == fail
[21:58] <shadeslayer> need to report a bug on that
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> anyways, it's quittin' time. bbiab
[21:58]  * maxwellian waves at JontheEchidna 
[21:58] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: who will upload kdevelop :(
[21:58] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: the checking tool only runs offline
[21:58] <bulldog98> and it’s knowen
[21:58] <shadeslayer> its almost done.. running it through pbuilder
[21:59] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: offline?
[22:00] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes only if you do it without having the filesystem mounted it won’t distroy your data
[22:00] <shadeslayer> gah
[22:04] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: my new rootfilesystem is btrfs on my Desktop
[22:04] <shadeslayer> nice.. still.. ext4 seems better for now
[22:04] <shadeslayer> when Beta 1 is released ill re format
[22:05] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: btrfs supports online snapshots
[22:05] <bulldog98> and lvm replacement
[22:05] <bulldog98> (only raid0)
[22:05] <shadeslayer> but its slow
[22:06] <shadeslayer> so whats the point
[22:06] <shadeslayer> dont really care about snapshots
[22:06] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: use KVM!
[22:07] <shadeslayer> kvm? you mean virtualise ubuntu? :o
[22:07] <yofel> well most people use lucid and run maverick in kvm
[22:08]  * yofel uses maverick and runs lucid in kvm :P
[22:08] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[22:08]  * shadeslayer just runs maverick
[22:08] <shadeslayer> love to watch stuff break
[22:08]  * shadeslayer should be asleep right now
[22:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: you should idle around in #ubuntu+1 from time to time though if you're running maverick..
[22:09] <shadeslayer> meh.. just a formality :P
[22:10] <yofel> hey it's usually a nice bunch there (me included :P)
[22:10] <shadeslayer> ill get slaughtered when they get to know i broke their systems
[22:10] <yofel> erm, ususally they won't be able to tell if it was you or maverick *g*
[22:13]  * maxwellian wishes his processor supported KVM... :(
[22:14] <maxwellian> Actually it's a non-issue, because I have 1G of RAM total, and like 4G of hard drive free.
[22:14] <maxwellian> There's no single bottleneck there.  My computer just fails.
[22:52] <yofel> Riddell: do you know if we can get python-cupsutils from debian in maverick? (bug 602343)
[22:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: does it build fine on ubuntu?
[22:54] <shadeslayer> without any mods
[22:55] <yofel> I'm just looking into that
[22:55] <shadeslayer> wtf...
[22:55] <shadeslayer> what did i upload :/
[22:56] <shadeslayer> ugh
[23:07] <yofel> Riddell: scratch that, more like system-config-printer-kde needs to be patched to use the ubuntu cupshelpers instead of debian cupsutils
[23:11] <Quintasan> another task for apachelogger 
[23:11] <Quintasan> :P
[23:11] <Quintasan> python--
[23:12] <Quintasan> humm it's friday here
[23:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Happy B-day! :D
[23:12] <yofel> here too
[23:13] <yofel> oh
[23:13] <yofel> apachelogger: happy birthday ;)
[23:15] <yofel> ~karma python
[23:15] <kubotu> karma for python: -17
[23:15] <yofel> python--
[23:17] <shadeslayer> python--
[23:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger kdevelop 4.0.1 can be found here https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/kdevelop_4.0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[23:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger more info https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+packages
[23:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: great
[23:42] <Riddell> yofel: yes we need to fix system-config-printer-kde, I've not looked into it yet, if you have a patch that would rock very much
[23:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i did try to patch it with a given patch in bug report
[23:42] <shadeslayer> it fails :/
[23:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: remind me about choqok in the morning
[23:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: define morning :D ( its 4.15 AM here )
[23:43] <yofel> Riddell: maverick: I did manage to fix it up a bit so it doesn't crash on start, but then it doesn't do much thanks to pyqt erroring out and I don't know how to fix that
[23:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: morning in Prague :)
[23:44] <shadeslayer> :D
[23:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 9 hours time
[23:44] <shadeslayer> ok
[23:45] <Riddell> yofel: post what you have to kubuntu-devel so it doesn't get lost then
[23:45] <maxwellian> Awwww, why hate on Python? :(
[23:45] <yofel> maxwellian: because we would have noticed that at build time with c++