doctormoHey lfaraone are you still doing sugar on a buntu?01:01
lfaraonedoctormo: yes, I am.01:02
doctormolfaraone: I was surprised to hear of your involvement when I was on my way to FOSSed01:02
lfaraonedoctormo: oh? why's that?01:02
lfaraonedoctormo: Ian told me you said hi.01:02
doctormolfaraone: normally the community is very fragmented, it was a pleasant surprise to see a project involved with someone who I consider to be inside the bowels of ubuntu packaging.01:04
lfaraonedoctormo: yeah, we're working on that :) thanks. more hands welcome, of course.01:04
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doctormolfaraone: I'm not really a developer other than python, although I was thinking of all the google docs people when I wrote yesterday's blog post.01:30
ScottKlfaraone: Got python-xpcom figured out yet?02:20
lfaraoneScottK: no, I'm not very familiar with the problems faced in that situation.03:30
ScottKlfaraone: Short version is xulrunner no longer ships python-xpcom which a bunch of sugar apps depend on.04:09
lfaraoneScottK: is there a reason it's excluded from Ubuntu? (IIRC it's in Debian)04:10
ScottKlfaraone: Debian is still on the older xulrunner that supported it.04:10
micahglfaraone: chrisccoulson said he'd look into packaging pyxpcom04:11
lfaraoneScottK: ah, makes sense then.04:17
lfaraonemicahg: awesome. is there a way I can help out?04:17
micahglfaraone: I don't have any details at this point, as soon as I hear something, I'll let you know04:17
micahgScottK: is it ok to subscribe an AA to a bug where they only need to act on 1 task out of 4?04:18
ScottKmicahg: Yes, but please make sure there's a clear comment about what they need to do.04:25
micahgScottK: k, thanks04:32
raywanghey there, I have a problem that I want to use apt-get to only download packages, but not installing then, i could pass -d option. but if want to download the packages to other directory rather than /var/cache/apt/archives,  is that possible? :-)07:41
james_wraywang: you can do it with "aptitude download"07:48
raywangjacob, if then, using aptitude system wouldn't conflict with apt system ?07:49
raywangoops, sorry07:49
raywangjames_w, I have learned they don't share the same database07:49
james_wraywang: just downloading the file doesn't do anything to the database07:49
james_wand doesn't install to the system, so there is not an issue07:50
raywangjames_w, make sense, but they are conflict, aren't they?07:50
raywangi mean if I use both to install packages07:51
james_wraywang: no, it's not a problem to use both07:51
raywanggot it, thanks a lot :)07:52
raywangjames_w, by reading manpage, aptitude download just download package to current dir, then how can I specify a directory for it?07:54
james_wraywang: cd :-)07:56
raywangwell, it can be a workaround. :-)07:56
raywangthank you07:56
LucidFoxhttp://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnome-globalmenu <-- Is there a point for getting this into Ubuntu anymore? It basically duplicates the functionality for the UNE global menu, except for GTK only and in a more hackish way.08:57
jcastroLucidFox: not really09:10
LucidFoxI'll archive it, then?09:10
siretartI'd think so. if the submitter feels otherwise, he'll probably argue about this09:13
LucidFoxhttp://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/mangler-1007160700/mangler-1.2.0/debian/patches/05_zap_la.patch <-- hmmmm09:45
BlackZdholbach: sablotron has not a section so soyuz will never upload it, I reported that to debian09:45
LucidFoxWould a better way be patching just .am and calling dh_autoreconf?09:45
BlackZ(a section in the source package)09:45
dholbachBlackZ: that should be fixed in soyuz09:46
BlackZdholbach: but the package has not a section in the source package09:46
dholbachah ok09:46
LucidFoxIs the rule about MOTUs needing one other developer to review new packages still in effect?09:53
dholbachLucidFox: I think it says "encouraged" or something09:56
wgrantBlackZ, dholbach: What's this issue?09:57
BlackZwgrant: we're not able to upload a package without the section in the source package09:57
dholbachwgrant: sorry, I misunderstdoof the problem09:57
BlackZdholbach: tried that09:57
dholbachBlackZ: tried what?09:57
BlackZdholbach: you tried to upload sablotron09:58
dholbachah ok09:58
BlackZI meant that ;)09:58
LucidFoxIn that case, could someone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/juffed ? Just want one advocate and then I'll upload.10:10
LucidFoxbeen lying for a while without any comments at all10:10
BlackZLucidFox: we should encourage who wants to get a new package in ubuntu to get it in debian directly10:10
LucidFoxWell, thing is, unlike Ubuntu, I don't have direct upload rights into Debian :)10:11
LucidFoxgranted, I *could* upload it to mentors.debian.net and file an ITP...10:12
BlackZLucidFox: if you want to upload it go ahead (if it's good for upload), but tell the REVU uploader to try getting it in debian directly10:13
LucidFoxEh... It's mine.10:13
LucidFoxI packaged it10:13
BlackZLucidFox: ah, ok10:13
LucidFoxby the way, BlackZ, I'm looking at ppa-purge10:14
BlackZLucidFox: I have to fix some things with it -- BTW it's better to get ppa-purge just in ubuntu as debian does not support PPAs10:14
* LucidFox nods10:15
RhondaLucidFox: Got my shirt!!10:15
LucidFoxPix plz? :)10:15
LucidFoxof the shirt, I mean10:15
RhondaLucidFox: http://www.cafepress.co.uk/VEWarning10:16
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LucidFoxBlackZ> commented on ppa-purge10:18
BlackZLucidFox: I'll check10:19
LucidFoxOther than that looks fine, fix those problems and I'll advocate it.10:20
BlackZLucidFox: I can advocate it myself too but I'd prefer to wait10:21
BlackZI have it in my TODO list :)10:21
LucidFoxWait? What for?10:21
BlackZLucidFox: some fix in debian/rules, for example: add get-orig-source10:22
BlackZLucidFox: I'll do a new upload on REVU soon10:24
* LucidFox nods10:24
geserlfaraone: as you care about the sugar packages: what should happen to the remaining 0.84 and 0.86 sugar packages in the archive?10:27
LucidFoxdholbach, while on the subject of Behind MOTU: I never got an interview, because apparently I was MOTU'd before they became standard practice; is there any point in doing one now?10:29
dholbachLucidFox: sure10:32
dholbachLucidFox: I'd love it to be more active again, but I just don't have time for it any more :-/10:32
LucidFoxdholbach> So, who could I contact to have an interview? Your successor?10:39
LucidFoxWhen one emerges, that is10:39
LucidFoxFor that matter, how are the interviews done? In real time IM, or in voice chat, or does the interviewee send a text file with all the answers at once?10:40
dholbachLucidFox: I just sent an email10:43
dholbachLucidFox: and it was very boring because I always used the same questions :)10:43
dholbachLucidFox: I'll send you one :-P10:43
LucidFoxI suppose I could volunteer to succeed you - after my interview is done, though, because it would be odd to interview myself :)10:43
LucidFoxYes, I saw your email in the mailing list, that's why I was asking10:44
dholbachLucidFox: if you have a wordpress.com account, can you let me know which email you used to register with?10:44
dholbachLucidFox: and nigelb wants to be co-editor10:44
dholbacha team!10:44
nigelbLucidFox: ah, you're there too :)10:46
nigelbdo you want to interview yourself or want me to do it ? :p10:46
LucidFoxI jut said it would be odd to interview myself, so I'd rather let either dholbach or you do it10:47
dholbachLucidFox: just about to send that mail10:47
LucidFoxand dholbach, my wordpress.com email is the same as here, sikon@ubuntu.com, account name LucidFox10:47
dholbachthanks LucidFox10:47
dholbachnigelb: your wordpress.com email you registered with?10:47
dholbachLucidFox, nigelb: done10:49
dholbachin the past I interviewed people who just joined MOTU team10:49
dholbachmaybe it'd make sense to move to people who join ubuntu-dev now? I don't know10:50
dholbachI'll leave that to you guys :)10:50
dholbachoh and also add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Interviews10:51
nigelbLucidFox: what is your TZ?10:53
LucidFoxUTC+6, UTC+7 DST10:53
xelisterhi,  how would I go about customizing an ubuntu live CD10:53
xelisterI just need to have some script auto-run (after X is started),  change default config (disable gfx effects etc)   and perhaps remove list of packages on cd10:54
nigelbLucidFox: ok, we're only 2 to 2.5 hours apart.  Talk in the evening? (I'm at work now)10:54
dholbachLucidFox, nigelb: thanks so much!10:57
dholbachLucidFox, nigelb: agraner also does some interviews, maybe she has a few ideas how to do stuff as well10:58
nigelbdholbach: yeah, watiting for oscon to end10:58
BlackZLucidFox: new version of ppa-purge uploaded to REVU11:06
BlackZhowever I did not created the get-orig-source rule in debian/rules as a Vcs field is already in debian/control , so you will be warned if there's a new branch11:07
tumbleweedBlackZ: get-orig-source is for building repacks, it shouldn't have anything to do with Vcs11:20
BlackZtumbleweed: in this case you can use bzr-builddeb11:21
BlackZif you put a Vcs field in debian/control it will warn you about the new branch11:22
tumbleweedBlackZ: are you saying that the upstream maintains /debian too?11:23
BlackZtumbleweed: yes11:23
tumbleweedaah, in that case it's probably best to think of it as a native package11:24
tumbleweedthen you don't need get-orig-source11:24
BlackZactually I'm not sure if it can be a native ubuntu package11:24
tumbleweedthen it might be best to fork the packaging. What if we need to change something?11:26
BlackZtumbleweed: well, upstream has different things in debian/ than us, this is one of the reason why I'm not advocating it yet11:27
BlackZI need to talk with upstream11:28
tumbleweedBlackZ: um, I'd just completely ignore upstream's /debian and overwrite it with our own (unless they want to maintain it in Ubuntu)11:28
BlackZtumbleweed: this is what I'm doing11:28
tumbleweedthen drop the Vcs-Bzr entry beacues it won't be accurate11:29
BlackZtumbleweed: I was just about to do that ;)11:30
tumbleweedright. and if upstream doesn't produce tarballs, we should still have get-orig-source11:31
BlackZtumbleweed: I will check, for now I'd upload it on REVU so anyone can check it11:31
BlackZtumbleweed: thanks for the hint, dropped :)11:34
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lfaraonegeser: well, they work IIRC, so there's no real reason to remove them, I guess.14:05
geserlfaraone: "Package sugar-calculate-activity version 30-5 has an unmet dep:", "Depends: python-sugar-0.84 | python-sugar-0.86" and sugar-base-0.84 got deleted with "sugar .84 removing in favour of .88" and the same for sugar-base-0.8614:29
lfaraonegeser: all of those activities should be forward-compatible, so file a bug and we'll correct the deps.14:33
geserlfaraone: done, I've files some unmetdeps bugs on sugar packages and made sure that the sugarteam is subscribed to them (two of those packages have also a removal request filed, so please decide what to do with them)14:59
lfaraonegeser: awesome, thanks.15:00
dupondjeBlackZ: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tulip/+bug/608628 => updated debdiff :)15:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 608628 in tulip (Ubuntu) "Please merge tulip 3.1.2-2.3 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete]15:14
cosmedupondje, in your last debdiff15:16
cosmeChange libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev to libgl1-mesa-dev in Build-Depends, this fix FTBFS (LP:#553638)15:16
cosmeshould be duanedesign, Change libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev to libgl1-mesa-dev in Build-Depends, this fix FTBFS (LP: #553638)15:16
dupondjeerr cosme what wrong exactly ?15:20
cosme(LP:#553638) -> (LP: #553638)15:21
dupondjeoh, it was a copy/paste. i'll change15:22
lfaraonegeser: just fyi re bug 608766, IIRC the new pippy uploaded yesterday is uninstallable in Maverick (as well as unstable)15:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 608766 in Bazaar Subversion Plugin "iter_changes on caching logwalker supports only one prefix" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60876615:23
* lfaraone is currently setting up a stable VM to see if that's the case.15:23
dupondjecosme: new debdiff uploaded :)15:24
geserhmm, why did ubottu return a wrong subject for that bug?15:25
lfaraonebug git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/sugar-jigsawpuzzle-activity.git15:26
geserlfaraone: so better not sync it? the current version in the archive has a versioned build-dependency on a virtual package15:26
lfaraone* bug 60876615:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 608766 in sugar-pippy-activity (Ubuntu) "Sync sugar-pippy-activity 36~dfsg-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60876615:26
lfaraoneah, now it gets it right. odd.15:26
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lfaraonegeser: well, python-box2d (the non-existant package it depends on) is packaged and ready for sponsoring in Debian, but it's not yet there yet.15:27
lfaraonegeser: once the package is in and synced over, we should be good.15:27
MTecknologydholbach: I nominate persia!16:26
LucidFoxdholbach, nigelb> Sent my interview answers16:30
nigelbdholbach: what's the process that we have to do?16:35
tuxracer_dholbach: thank you for the very nice introduction on the developer week16:37
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dholbachMTecknology: for what?16:43
dholbachnigelb: ask questions, blog, add to wiki.ubuntu.com/Interviews :)16:43
dholbachLucidFox: super, I'll have a look tomorrow16:43
dholbachtuxracer_: anytime :)16:43
MTecknologydholbach: the blog16:45
dholbachMTecknology: sure, but I was planing to hand off the interviews to LucidFox and nigelb16:45
MTecknologydholbach: or that - Just wanted to mention it :)16:46
shadeslayerhmm.. any one who can sync choqok ?17:06
shadeslayerbug 60837817:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 608378 in choqok (Ubuntu) "Sync choqok 0.9.81-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60837817:08
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Steve132I'm rebuilding the package gcc-mingw3217:24
Steve132from package source17:24
Steve132and I noticed that although it builds 32-bit g++17:24
Steve132it is configured to not build 64-bit targeted g++17:25
Steve132but it does build amd64-mingw32-gcc and all the binutils and the cstdlib for the 32-bit hosted 64-bit targeted cross17:25
Steve132so, I figured "This is easy..." and I added --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran17:26
Steve132in the debian/rules file17:26
Steve132and rebuilt and reinstalled the package.  Everything went fine, but a simple "Hello World" example could not find #include<iostream>...which leads me to believe that somehow libstdc++ didn't get built or installed17:27
Steve132Anyone got any hints?17:27
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nigelbJust so that you all know, Rhonda is taking a class in #ubuntu-classroom now about working with debian BTS :)19:03
shadeslayerTheMuso: still here :P21:09
TheMusoshadeslayer: Yeah I am connecting to IRC via a bip proxy. I meant to type /quit to exit from my irssi client.21:36
shadeslayerTheMuso: :D21:36
micahganyone have time to sponsor a quick no source change rebuild to lucid-proposed (bug 608940)23:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 608940 in gjs (Ubuntu) "No change rebuild for xulrunner- update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60894023:10
BlackZmicahg: done23:28
micahgBlackZ: thanks :)23:28
micahgBlackZ: so MOTU let's you accept bugs for a series?23:31
BlackZmicahg: just for packages in universe and multiverse23:31
* micahg might have to reconsider going for MOTU :)23:32

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