[01:01] <doctormo> Hey lfaraone are you still doing sugar on a buntu?
[01:02] <lfaraone> doctormo: yes, I am.
[01:02] <doctormo> lfaraone: I was surprised to hear of your involvement when I was on my way to FOSSed
[01:02] <lfaraone> doctormo: oh? why's that?
[01:02] <lfaraone> doctormo: Ian told me you said hi.
[01:04] <doctormo> lfaraone: normally the community is very fragmented, it was a pleasant surprise to see a project involved with someone who I consider to be inside the bowels of ubuntu packaging.
[01:04] <lfaraone> doctormo: yeah, we're working on that :) thanks. more hands welcome, of course.
[01:30] <doctormo> lfaraone: I'm not really a developer other than python, although I was thinking of all the google docs people when I wrote yesterday's blog post.
[02:20] <ScottK> lfaraone: Got python-xpcom figured out yet?
[03:30] <lfaraone> ScottK: no, I'm not very familiar with the problems faced in that situation.
[04:09] <ScottK> lfaraone: Short version is xulrunner no longer ships python-xpcom which a bunch of sugar apps depend on.
[04:10] <lfaraone> ScottK: is there a reason it's excluded from Ubuntu? (IIRC it's in Debian)
[04:10] <ScottK> lfaraone: Debian is still on the older xulrunner that supported it.
[04:11] <micahg> lfaraone: chrisccoulson said he'd look into packaging pyxpcom
[04:17] <lfaraone> ScottK: ah, makes sense then.
[04:17] <lfaraone> micahg: awesome. is there a way I can help out?
[04:17] <micahg> lfaraone: I don't have any details at this point, as soon as I hear something, I'll let you know
[04:18] <micahg> ScottK: is it ok to subscribe an AA to a bug where they only need to act on 1 task out of 4?
[04:25] <ScottK> micahg: Yes, but please make sure there's a clear comment about what they need to do.
[04:32] <micahg> ScottK: k, thanks
[07:41] <raywang> hey there, I have a problem that I want to use apt-get to only download packages, but not installing then, i could pass -d option. but if want to download the packages to other directory rather than /var/cache/apt/archives,  is that possible? :-)
[07:48] <james_w> raywang: you can do it with "aptitude download"
[07:49] <raywang> jacob, if then, using aptitude system wouldn't conflict with apt system ?
[07:49] <raywang> oops, sorry
[07:49] <raywang> james_w, I have learned they don't share the same database
[07:49] <james_w> raywang: just downloading the file doesn't do anything to the database
[07:50] <raywang> ok
[07:50] <james_w> and doesn't install to the system, so there is not an issue
[07:50] <raywang> james_w, make sense, but they are conflict, aren't they?
[07:51] <raywang> i mean if I use both to install packages
[07:51] <james_w> raywang: no, it's not a problem to use both
[07:52] <raywang> got it, thanks a lot :)
[07:54] <raywang> james_w, by reading manpage, aptitude download just download package to current dir, then how can I specify a directory for it?
[07:56] <james_w> raywang: cd :-)
[07:56] <raywang> well, it can be a workaround. :-)
[07:56] <raywang> thank you
[08:57] <LucidFox> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnome-globalmenu <-- Is there a point for getting this into Ubuntu anymore? It basically duplicates the functionality for the UNE global menu, except for GTK only and in a more hackish way.
[09:10] <jcastro> LucidFox: not really
[09:10] <LucidFox> I'll archive it, then?
[09:13] <siretart> I'd think so. if the submitter feels otherwise, he'll probably argue about this
[09:45] <LucidFox> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/mangler-1007160700/mangler-1.2.0/debian/patches/05_zap_la.patch <-- hmmmm
[09:45] <BlackZ> dholbach: sablotron has not a section so soyuz will never upload it, I reported that to debian
[09:45] <LucidFox> Would a better way be patching just .am and calling dh_autoreconf?
[09:45] <BlackZ> (a section in the source package)
[09:46] <dholbach> BlackZ: that should be fixed in soyuz
[09:46] <BlackZ> dholbach: but the package has not a section in the source package
[09:46] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:53] <LucidFox> Is the rule about MOTUs needing one other developer to review new packages still in effect?
[09:56] <dholbach> LucidFox: I think it says "encouraged" or something
[09:57] <wgrant> BlackZ, dholbach: What's this issue?
[09:57] <BlackZ> wgrant: we're not able to upload a package without the section in the source package
[09:57] <dholbach> wgrant: sorry, I misunderstdoof the problem
[09:57] <BlackZ> dholbach: tried that
[09:57] <dholbach> BlackZ: tried what?
[09:58] <BlackZ> dholbach: you tried to upload sablotron
[09:58] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:58] <dholbach> yes
[09:58] <BlackZ> I meant that ;)
[10:10] <LucidFox> In that case, could someone review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/juffed ? Just want one advocate and then I'll upload.
[10:10] <LucidFox> been lying for a while without any comments at all
[10:10] <BlackZ> LucidFox: we should encourage who wants to get a new package in ubuntu to get it in debian directly
[10:11] <LucidFox> Well, thing is, unlike Ubuntu, I don't have direct upload rights into Debian :)
[10:12] <LucidFox> granted, I *could* upload it to mentors.debian.net and file an ITP...
[10:13] <BlackZ> LucidFox: if you want to upload it go ahead (if it's good for upload), but tell the REVU uploader to try getting it in debian directly
[10:13] <LucidFox> Eh... It's mine.
[10:13] <LucidFox> I packaged it
[10:13] <BlackZ> LucidFox: ah, ok
[10:14] <LucidFox> by the way, BlackZ, I'm looking at ppa-purge
[10:14] <BlackZ> LucidFox: I have to fix some things with it -- BTW it's better to get ppa-purge just in ubuntu as debian does not support PPAs
[10:15]  * LucidFox nods
[10:15] <Rhonda> LucidFox: Got my shirt!!
[10:15] <LucidFox> Pix plz? :)
[10:15] <LucidFox> of the shirt, I mean
[10:16] <Rhonda> LucidFox: http://www.cafepress.co.uk/VEWarning
[10:18] <LucidFox> BlackZ> commented on ppa-purge
[10:19] <BlackZ> LucidFox: I'll check
[10:20] <LucidFox> Other than that looks fine, fix those problems and I'll advocate it.
[10:21] <BlackZ> LucidFox: I can advocate it myself too but I'd prefer to wait
[10:21] <BlackZ> I have it in my TODO list :)
[10:21] <LucidFox> Wait? What for?
[10:22] <BlackZ> LucidFox: some fix in debian/rules, for example: add get-orig-source
[10:24] <BlackZ> LucidFox: I'll do a new upload on REVU soon
[10:24]  * LucidFox nods
[10:27] <geser> lfaraone: as you care about the sugar packages: what should happen to the remaining 0.84 and 0.86 sugar packages in the archive?
[10:29] <LucidFox> dholbach, while on the subject of Behind MOTU: I never got an interview, because apparently I was MOTU'd before they became standard practice; is there any point in doing one now?
[10:32] <dholbach> LucidFox: sure
[10:32] <dholbach> LucidFox: I'd love it to be more active again, but I just don't have time for it any more :-/
[10:39] <LucidFox> dholbach> So, who could I contact to have an interview? Your successor?
[10:39] <LucidFox> When one emerges, that is
[10:40] <LucidFox> For that matter, how are the interviews done? In real time IM, or in voice chat, or does the interviewee send a text file with all the answers at once?
[10:43] <dholbach> LucidFox: I just sent an email
[10:43] <dholbach> LucidFox: and it was very boring because I always used the same questions :)
[10:43] <LucidFox> Heh
[10:43] <dholbach> LucidFox: I'll send you one :-P
[10:43] <LucidFox> I suppose I could volunteer to succeed you - after my interview is done, though, because it would be odd to interview myself :)
[10:44] <dholbach> awesome
[10:44] <LucidFox> Yes, I saw your email in the mailing list, that's why I was asking
[10:44] <dholbach> LucidFox: if you have a wordpress.com account, can you let me know which email you used to register with?
[10:44] <dholbach> LucidFox: and nigelb wants to be co-editor
[10:44] <dholbach> awesome
[10:44] <dholbach> :-D
[10:44] <dholbach> a team!
[10:46] <nigelb> LucidFox: ah, you're there too :)
[10:46] <nigelb> do you want to interview yourself or want me to do it ? :p
[10:47] <LucidFox> I jut said it would be odd to interview myself, so I'd rather let either dholbach or you do it
[10:47] <dholbach> LucidFox: just about to send that mail
[10:47] <LucidFox> and dholbach, my wordpress.com email is the same as here, sikon@ubuntu.com, account name LucidFox
[10:47] <dholbach> thanks LucidFox
[10:47] <dholbach> nigelb: your wordpress.com email you registered with?
[10:48] <nigelb> nigelbabu@gmail
[10:49] <dholbach> LucidFox, nigelb: done
[10:49] <dholbach> in the past I interviewed people who just joined MOTU team
[10:50] <dholbach> maybe it'd make sense to move to people who join ubuntu-dev now? I don't know
[10:50] <dholbach> I'll leave that to you guys :)
[10:51] <dholbach> oh and also add it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Interviews
[10:53] <nigelb> LucidFox: what is your TZ?
[10:53] <LucidFox> UTC+6, UTC+7 DST
[10:53] <xelister> hi,  how would I go about customizing an ubuntu live CD
[10:54] <xelister> I just need to have some script auto-run (after X is started),  change default config (disable gfx effects etc)   and perhaps remove list of packages on cd
[10:54] <nigelb> LucidFox: ok, we're only 2 to 2.5 hours apart.  Talk in the evening? (I'm at work now)
[10:54] <LucidFox> Sure
[10:55] <nigelb> :)
[10:57] <dholbach> LucidFox, nigelb: thanks so much!
[10:58] <dholbach> LucidFox, nigelb: agraner also does some interviews, maybe she has a few ideas how to do stuff as well
[10:58] <dholbach> ROCK!
[10:58] <nigelb> dholbach: yeah, watiting for oscon to end
[11:06] <BlackZ> LucidFox: new version of ppa-purge uploaded to REVU
[11:07] <BlackZ> however I did not created the get-orig-source rule in debian/rules as a Vcs field is already in debian/control , so you will be warned if there's a new branch
[11:20] <tumbleweed> BlackZ: get-orig-source is for building repacks, it shouldn't have anything to do with Vcs
[11:21] <BlackZ> tumbleweed: in this case you can use bzr-builddeb
[11:22] <BlackZ> if you put a Vcs field in debian/control it will warn you about the new branch
[11:23] <tumbleweed> BlackZ: are you saying that the upstream maintains /debian too?
[11:23] <BlackZ> tumbleweed: yes
[11:24] <tumbleweed> aah, in that case it's probably best to think of it as a native package
[11:24] <tumbleweed> then you don't need get-orig-source
[11:24] <BlackZ> actually I'm not sure if it can be a native ubuntu package
[11:26] <tumbleweed> then it might be best to fork the packaging. What if we need to change something?
[11:27] <BlackZ> tumbleweed: well, upstream has different things in debian/ than us, this is one of the reason why I'm not advocating it yet
[11:28] <BlackZ> I need to talk with upstream
[11:28] <tumbleweed> BlackZ: um, I'd just completely ignore upstream's /debian and overwrite it with our own (unless they want to maintain it in Ubuntu)
[11:28] <BlackZ> tumbleweed: this is what I'm doing
[11:29] <tumbleweed> then drop the Vcs-Bzr entry beacues it won't be accurate
[11:30] <BlackZ> tumbleweed: I was just about to do that ;)
[11:31] <tumbleweed> right. and if upstream doesn't produce tarballs, we should still have get-orig-source
[11:31] <BlackZ> tumbleweed: I will check, for now I'd upload it on REVU so anyone can check it
[11:34] <BlackZ> tumbleweed: thanks for the hint, dropped :)
[14:05] <lfaraone> geser: well, they work IIRC, so there's no real reason to remove them, I guess.
[14:29] <geser> lfaraone: "Package sugar-calculate-activity version 30-5 has an unmet dep:", "Depends: python-sugar-0.84 | python-sugar-0.86" and sugar-base-0.84 got deleted with "sugar .84 removing in favour of .88" and the same for sugar-base-0.86
[14:33] <lfaraone> geser: all of those activities should be forward-compatible, so file a bug and we'll correct the deps.
[14:59] <geser> lfaraone: done, I've files some unmetdeps bugs on sugar packages and made sure that the sugarteam is subscribed to them (two of those packages have also a removal request filed, so please decide what to do with them)
[15:00] <lfaraone> geser: awesome, thanks.
[15:14] <dupondje> BlackZ: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tulip/+bug/608628 => updated debdiff :)
[15:16] <cosme> dupondje, in your last debdiff
[15:16] <cosme> Change libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev to libgl1-mesa-dev in Build-Depends, this fix FTBFS (LP:#553638)
[15:16] <cosme> should be duanedesign, Change libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev to libgl1-mesa-dev in Build-Depends, this fix FTBFS (LP: #553638)
[15:20] <dupondje> err cosme what wrong exactly ?
[15:21] <cosme> (LP:#553638) -> (LP: #553638)
[15:22] <dupondje> oh, it was a copy/paste. i'll change
[15:23] <lfaraone> geser: just fyi re bug 608766, IIRC the new pippy uploaded yesterday is uninstallable in Maverick (as well as unstable)
[15:23]  * lfaraone is currently setting up a stable VM to see if that's the case.
[15:24] <dupondje> cosme: new debdiff uploaded :)
[15:25] <geser> hmm, why did ubottu return a wrong subject for that bug?
[15:26] <lfaraone> bug git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/collab-maint/sugar-jigsawpuzzle-activity.git
[15:26] <geser> lfaraone: so better not sync it? the current version in the archive has a versioned build-dependency on a virtual package
[15:26] <lfaraone> * bug 608766
[15:26] <lfaraone> ah, now it gets it right. odd.
[15:27] <lfaraone> geser: well, python-box2d (the non-existant package it depends on) is packaged and ready for sponsoring in Debian, but it's not yet there yet.
[15:27] <lfaraone> geser: once the package is in and synced over, we should be good.
[16:26] <MTecknology> dholbach: I nominate persia!
[16:30] <LucidFox> dholbach, nigelb> Sent my interview answers
[16:35] <nigelb> dholbach: what's the process that we have to do?
[16:37] <tuxracer_> dholbach: thank you for the very nice introduction on the developer week
[16:43] <dholbach> MTecknology: for what?
[16:43] <dholbach> nigelb: ask questions, blog, add to wiki.ubuntu.com/Interviews :)
[16:43] <dholbach> LucidFox: super, I'll have a look tomorrow
[16:43] <dholbach> tuxracer_: anytime :)
[16:45] <MTecknology> dholbach: the blog
[16:45] <dholbach> MTecknology: sure, but I was planing to hand off the interviews to LucidFox and nigelb
[16:46] <MTecknology> dholbach: or that - Just wanted to mention it :)
[17:06] <shadeslayer> hmm.. any one who can sync choqok ?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> bug 608378
[17:24] <Steve132> I'm rebuilding the package gcc-mingw32
[17:24] <Steve132> from package source
[17:24] <Steve132> and I noticed that although it builds 32-bit g++
[17:25] <Steve132> it is configured to not build 64-bit targeted g++
[17:25] <Steve132> but it does build amd64-mingw32-gcc and all the binutils and the cstdlib for the 32-bit hosted 64-bit targeted cross
[17:26] <Steve132> so, I figured "This is easy..." and I added --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran
[17:26] <Steve132> in the debian/rules file
[17:27] <Steve132> and rebuilt and reinstalled the package.  Everything went fine, but a simple "Hello World" example could not find #include<iostream>...which leads me to believe that somehow libstdc++ didn't get built or installed
[17:27] <Steve132> Anyone got any hints?
[19:03] <nigelb> Just so that you all know, Rhonda is taking a class in #ubuntu-classroom now about working with debian BTS :)
[20:54] <TheMuso> /quit
[21:09] <shadeslayer> TheMuso: still here :P
[21:36] <TheMuso> shadeslayer: Yeah I am connecting to IRC via a bip proxy. I meant to type /quit to exit from my irssi client.
[21:36] <shadeslayer> TheMuso: :D
[23:10] <micahg> anyone have time to sponsor a quick no source change rebuild to lucid-proposed (bug 608940)
[23:28] <BlackZ> micahg: done
[23:28] <micahg> BlackZ: thanks :)
[23:31] <micahg> BlackZ: so MOTU let's you accept bugs for a series?
[23:31] <micahg> *lets
[23:31] <BlackZ> micahg: just for packages in universe and multiverse
[23:32]  * micahg might have to reconsider going for MOTU :)