[10:20] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: hey. fyi apturl/jaunty doesn't work, but the good news is that neither does the one in -updates, so it is not a regression
[10:20] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: interestingly, the one in jaunty release does work
[10:20] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: this is not a blocker. fyi only
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, ok, no problem
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - the new langpack-gnome-en-base package hasn't built yet (launchpad has said it will start in 17 minutes since yesterday), so i tried deleting it from the PPA and copying the binaries from the langpack PPA (which i should have done yesterday), but it won't let me copy it now :/
[10:53] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: which release is this for?
[10:54] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, jaunty and karmic. we need language-pack-gnome-en-base for both releases
[10:54] <jdstrand> jdstrand: and neither built?
[10:55] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: the fix is in 1:9.04+20100531  and 1:9.10+20100604 ?
[10:56] <jdstrand> actually, look slike karmic is .1
[10:56] <jdstrand> oh both, nm
[10:56] <jdstrand> I see them
[10:56] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, both are .1
[10:58] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: can you up the version and reupload?
[10:58] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: (ie, make them .2)
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, can do
[10:58] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: thanks
[10:59]  * jdstrand worries this is going to delay the publication
[10:59] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: can you let me know as soon as it is uploaded? I will get kees to make sure it is scored super high
[11:06] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, they're uploaded now
[11:06] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ack
[11:08] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i'm stuck with kazehakase - it build fine locally ;)
[11:21] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: bummer
[11:21] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: they are both building now
[11:21] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: they only take like 2 minutes, so should be ready soon
[11:21] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I am almost done with testing, so will publish after you test the lang packs
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[11:43] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I have a note on venkman/karmic, but there is a package in the ppa that is built. is venkman/karmic ok or should I avoid it?
[11:44] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - yeah, we shouldn't copy venkman
[11:45] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: it seems like jaunty's works. is it ok if I delete the karmic one? (it will make my publication slightly easier
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, you can delete the karmic one
[11:45] <jdstrand> cool thanks
[11:45] <chrisccoulson> the new langpack doesn't install btw (it conflicts with the version of language-pack-gnome-en)
[11:46] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: meh-- can you do the appropriate upload for that and ping me? I can get kees to rescore again
[12:03] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: fyi-- a kernel is about to get uploaded
[12:03] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: it would be nice to get in front of that if possible
[12:04] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i've asked Arne to recreate them with the updated versioning, else I have to do some hacks to the packaging
[12:04] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: k. is he working on it or is this an after lunch thing?
[12:05] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: the kernel guys were in our room talking about it, which is why I know about it
[12:06] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: it looks like there are 2 i386 builders available atm, so it may not be a problem, but I don't won't to get stuck since it will talk me several hours before it is all done
[12:06] <jdstrand> s/won't/want/
[12:07] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: actually, it is already uploaded, so it isn't a factor anymore
[12:07] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: sorry for the noise
[12:07] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: and by 'it' I mean th ekernel
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, ok, thanks. i'll ask Arne in a minute if he's working on it, he's talking to pitti right now
[12:29] <gnomefreak> any reason why firefox does not have a depend on xul? maybe a nother package calls for it. but 4.0 has a dep on xul2
[13:02] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I'm slightly confused. I see langpacks for ast building in the ppa-- but I thought en was what was busted
[13:02] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: (forgive my langpack ignorance)
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, ah, yes. i realised this morning that the ast langpacks hadn't been uploaded for jaunty and karmic. they were exported separately from all the others, and i noticed it when going through my e-mail history this morning
[13:09] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: cool, thanks. I'll add them to the list then
[13:10] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: fyi, I am done with testing and it looks good. the en langpack is the only thing left
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - excellent, i'll ask Arne about that when he gets back from lunch
[13:10] <jdstrand> thanks
[13:10] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, are you going to release-note the kazehakase issue?
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> (although there's probably nobody who cares about that)
[13:11] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I can sure. is there a bug for it?
[13:11] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i've not opened one yet
[13:11] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ok. np
[13:13] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - bug 608705
[13:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 608705 in kazehakase (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 1 other project) "kazehakase breaks with xulrunner-1.9.2 installed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608705
[13:23] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: thanks
[13:26] <gnomefreak> dont recall exactly but apparmor.d shows 3 processes. firefox firefox-3.7 firefox-4.0
[13:26] <gnomefreak> that is on boot
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, that's normal
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> the firefox-3.7 profile should be cleaned on upgrade though
[13:33] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: ok but why 3.7 since it is not installed
[13:33] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, you had 3.7 installed previously ;)
[13:34] <gnomefreak> good point
[13:34] <gnomefreak> if i ever get plymouth working maybe it will hide it all
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> good luck!
[13:36] <gnomefreak> thanks
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> plymouth flashes up for about a nanosecond here afteer displaying loads of crap on the screen
[13:37] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it displys bunch of crap and i get the 5dots but that is it
[13:42] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: bug on it bug 598035
[13:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 598035 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "Plymouth does not work (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/598035
[13:42]  * gnomefreak doest have screensavers, gnome splash screen as well
[14:07] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: what did Arne say about the langpack?
[14:07] <jdstrand> it's getting tight for me making dinner...
[14:10] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i just asked him again, he's going to do that in a minute or so
[14:14] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: thank you
[14:20] <fta2> seems debian now has chromium -dev in experimental.. not sure what they want here, no more -stable??
[14:20] <fta2> http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/chromium-browser.html
[14:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you add a lucid task in bug 588254?
[14:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 588254 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "gnome-language-selector should no longer install enigmail-locale-XX packages (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 96)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588254
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i can't do that for language-selector
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> i've been talking to pitti though
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> he suggested adding some conflicts/replaces/provides as a SRU to enigmail
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> so that it will conflict/replace/provide all of the enigmail-locales-xx packages
[14:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, I was going to do that anyways, is that the only thing we need to do then?
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> and that will take care of language-selector and upgrades at the same time
[14:42] <micahg> oh to enigmail?
[14:42] <micahg> I don't like that
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, to enigmail
[14:43] <micahg> unless we just add transitional packages to it
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> that's what the provides are for
[14:43] <micahg> well, that's a long list of Conflicts/Replaces/Provides
[14:44] <micahg> ok, if that's what he thinks is best, I'll prepare it this weekend
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should I do the same for Maverick then?
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> no need for maverick, as enigmail-locales has gone from the archive now
[14:45] <micahg> ok, I'll change the languages selector task in bug 572018 to an enigmail task then?
[14:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 572018 in debian (and 6 other projects) "enigmail-locales is no longer needed in Lucid+ (affects: 13) (dups: 2) (heat: 86)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572018
[14:57] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: so, can you copy it to the mozilla security ppa and then I can get kees to rescore it?
[14:58] <micahg> if I do seamonkey now, can it get uploaded to u-m-s today?
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - done
[14:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg - which version of seamonkey?
[14:59] <jdstrand> \o/
[14:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: 2.0.6, seems we forgot to test build in PPA anyways :(
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i uploaded it to the PPA and then we removed it again to do the 2.0.5 publication
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> it's already in bzr, i just need to reupload it
[15:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, so if I do the MFSAs now, do you have time to push today?
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, can do
[15:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: no, we need the advisories first
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's in maverick already btw
[15:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I know, that's the only good part :)
[15:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, do we just skip the advisories in .head then since it's in maverick?
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, we don't provide security updates in maverick yet
[15:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: should worry about the newsblog fix for 2.0.6 or just upload as is?
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> micahg - we'll fix that in 2.0.7
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> it's not a big deal really and it should probably have SRU approval
[15:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, then I'm push 2.0.6/lucid up for you :)
[15:22] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, uploaded now
[15:25] <micahg> thanks chrisccoulson :)
[15:28] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, I saw some discussion for FF4 on Linux and one of the major complaints is lack of new UI on Linux, so I would guess this to happen in one of the next betas
[15:31] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: can you verify the langpacks?
[15:31] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, yeah, will just start kvm now
[15:31] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: thanks
[15:31] <TZ_noob> hi all
[15:31] <TZ_noob> I am running 9.04...
[15:31] <TZ_noob> How do I upgrade to Thunderbird 3?
[15:32] <TZ_noob> I already modified my sources list
[15:34] <TZ_noob> i followed the instructions on ubuntugeek.com
[15:35] <TZ_noob> this command >     sudo apt-get install thunderbird-3.1 thunderbird-3.1-gnome-support
[15:35] <micahg> TZ_noob: no, that's not ready yet
[15:35] <TZ_noob> produces this result > Reading package lists... Done
[15:35] <TZ_noob> Building dependency tree
[15:35] <TZ_noob> Reading state information... Done
[15:35] <TZ_noob> E: Couldn't find package thunderbird-3.1
[15:35] <TZ_noob> what is not yet ready?
[15:36] <micahg> TZ_noob: thunderbird 3.1
[15:36] <TZ_noob> so where does ubuntugeek get THEIR information?
[15:36] <TZ_noob> lol
[15:36] <micahg> TZ_noob: I'll push thunderbird 3.0.6 to the thunderbird-stable PPA, but if nothing's too urgent, I'd suggest waiting for thunderbird 3.1 which we'll push in the coming months
[15:36] <micahg> TZ_noob: I have no idea
[15:37] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: I can tell you that they install fine now
[15:37] <TZ_noob> micahg: ok, thanks
[15:37] <micahg> TZ_noob: here's the TB3 stable PPA: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/thunderbird-stable
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, cool. i've not got that far yet as KVM is running like it's been filled with glue ;)
[15:37] <TZ_noob> micahg: how do i install from the PPA? er, first, how do i add PPA on my system?
[15:37] <jdstrand> heh
[15:38] <micahg> TZ_noob: instructions on the PPA page :)
[15:38] <TZ_noob> lol
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> TZ_noob, upgrade to lucid
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[15:38] <TZ_noob> will need a CD/DVD for that...
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> why?
[15:38] <TZ_noob> my  bandwidth isnt so good... am in Tanzania (TZ)
[15:39] <TZ_noob> we have the worst of the worst, in terms of bandwidth
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> you should get a CD soon then, as jaunty is pretty close to going EOL ;)
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> support ends in october
[15:39] <TZ_noob> heck, i cant even run any BitTorrents on my link
[15:39] <TZ_noob> i will see what to do about it, perhaps i will download the ISO for Lucid
[15:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is thunderbird getting published to Lucid today?
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> micahg - hopefully (jdstrand will know though)
[15:43]  * micahg just wants to know whether or not to copy to stable PPA
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, langpack is fine for karmic
[15:44] <jdstrand> \o/
[15:44] <jdstrand> micahg: no
[15:44] <jdstrand> I've not tested it due to ff
[15:44] <micahg> jdstrand: no, I shouldn't copy or no, it's not going to be published?
[15:45] <jdstrand> I am not publishing tbird today
[15:45] <micahg> ok, I'll copy to tb-stable then
[15:45] <jdstrand> (well, excpet the jaunty one, which is needed for the new nss in jaunty)
[15:45] <micahg> thanks jdstrand
[15:45] <jdstrand> micahg: np
[15:45] <TZ_noob> wow, the instructions on the launchpad web are so accurate
[15:46] <TZ_noob> i am now actually installing the stable thunderbird 3.0.5 from the PPA
[15:46] <TZ_noob> lol
[15:46] <TZ_noob> actually it's 3.0.7
[15:46] <chrisccoulson> i think KVM is going slow just to annoy me
[15:47] <TZ_noob> what's KVM?
[15:47] <micahg> TZ_noob: 3.0.6 was just released and I just uploaded it, it shoudl build in a couple hours
[15:47] <TZ_noob> micahg: what does this mean? Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main thunderbird 3.0.7~hg20100715r4889+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~jaunty [11.8MB]
[15:48] <micahg> TZ_noob: that's the daily PPA :)
[15:48] <TZ_noob> and? how is it different from 3.0.6?
[15:48] <TZ_noob> or IS IT the 3.0.6?
[15:48] <micahg> TZ_noob: you get updates every day, not guaranteed to be stable
[15:48] <TZ_noob> lol
[15:49] <micahg> TZ_noob: but that branch should be fairly stable
[15:49] <TZ_noob> it was downloaded automatically
[15:49] <TZ_noob> i hope so
[15:49] <TZ_noob> :-)
[15:49] <micahg> TZ_noob: that means you had the PPA installed already
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand - jaunty is ok too
[15:49] <TZ_noob> ah..
[15:49] <TZ_noob> so I am doing something right
[15:49] <TZ_noob> micahg: are you officially WITH mozilla?
[15:49]  * micahg also has to update firefox-stable
[15:50] <micahg> TZ_noob: no, I'm one of the Mozilla maintainers in Ubuntu
[15:50] <TZ_noob> micahg: since i went to firefox years back i have HATED IE...
[15:50] <TZ_noob> IE was the worst software ever designed!
[15:50] <TZ_noob> it still is!
[15:50] <TZ_noob> and so is MS Windows!
[15:50] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: \o/
[15:51] <TZ_noob> they are trying so hard to look like Ubuntu and/or Mac OS X
[15:52] <TZ_noob> micahg: what am i to expect after upgrading to thunderbird 3? will i have my  emails and addresses intact, when i launch TB 3?
[15:52] <micahg> TZ_noob: hopefully, but you should back up your .mozilla-thunderbird folder
[15:52] <micahg> that is ~/.mozilla-thunderbird
[15:54] <TZ_noob> well, migration assistant is running, i didnt back up, but messages have not been deleted, they are being indexed
[15:54] <TZ_noob> Mozilla rules!
[15:54] <micahg> TZ_noob: I did my best to make sure that works :)
[15:55] <TZ_noob> it looks and feels exactly like Firefox! with TABS!
[15:55] <TZ_noob> code named Shredder? why the name?
[15:56] <micahg> TZ_noob: because you're running the daily
[15:57] <TZ_noob> daily what?
[15:57] <micahg> TZ_noob: daily build
[15:57] <TZ_noob> somehow, bandwidth seems to be good today... :-)
[15:58] <TZ_noob> micahg: please decipher what this means...
[15:58] <TZ_noob> Welcome to Shredder!
[15:58] <TZ_noob> You've just started using a new nightly version of Thunderbird, code-named "Shredder", that has a different version number from what you previously have been using. It could be that you've just downloaded, or compiled a build, or that the version number has just been updated for a pending release.
[15:58] <micahg> TZ_noob: exactly what it says, it's not a release version, but a nightly/daily build
[15:59] <TZ_noob> so,  how long am i expected to use this version?
[15:59] <TZ_noob> i love the name... lol
[15:59] <micahg> TZ_noob: well, from the daily PPA, you will always be using a daily
[15:59] <micahg> if you switch to the stable PPA, you'll get thunderbird
[16:00] <TZ_noob> how do i switch to the stable PPA?
[16:00] <micahg> TZ_noob: remove/comment out the daily PPA and add the one for the thunderbird-stable PPA https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/thunderbird-stable
[16:01] <TZ_noob> in the software sources list?
[16:02] <micahg> TZ_noob: yes
[16:02] <micahg> TZ_noob: you can just uncheck it
[16:02] <TZ_noob> i added the lines manually with gedit
[16:03] <micahg> TZ_noob: k, well, you can just add a # in front of the line then to comment out
[16:03] <TZ_noob> i see your point
[16:04] <TZ_noob> i copied and pasted what you just wrote, but it wont work...
[16:04] <TZ_noob> isnt there a command that precedes the HTTPS?
[16:05] <micahg> oh, wow, I didn't realize karmic was getting published today \o/
[16:05] <fta> micahg, ?
[16:06] <micahg> fta: Firefox 3.6 to karmic
[16:06] <fta> oh
[16:17] <TZ_noob> micahg: please go to http://pastebin.com/uzABYjS3
[16:17] <TZ_noob> i tried to upgrade firefox
[16:18] <micahg> TZ_noob: oh, right, I was supposed to upload special transitional packages for that
[16:21] <TZ_noob> that's why it wont work?
[16:21] <micahg> yep, give me a minute
[16:23] <TZ_noob> ok, i guess i will do this when i get back
[16:23] <TZ_noob> have to run now
[16:23] <TZ_noob> bye all and thanks
[16:24] <micahg> is jaunty firefox getting published today as well?
[16:25] <micahg> jdstrand: ^^
[16:25] <jdstrand> micahg: yes. I am in the rocess now and will be for the next few hours
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, were you planning to do hardy and lucid today too?
[16:37] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: everything is going out. I am in the middle of it now
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, awesome, thanks
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> i think i owe you a beer!
[16:37] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ff, xul, rdepends, lanpacks, etc for hardy-lucid
[16:37] <jdstrand> heh
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> hey jdstrand, how's it going?