| tuizim | if i have a norma installation, and download the rt kernel would i be able to use jack rt? | 00:35 |
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| tuizim | or i have to do some magic coding tricks to tune the distro? | 00:35 |
| tuizim | dont wanna take everything off and put ubuntustudio from scratch.. | 00:35 |
| holstein | hey tuizim | 00:36 |
| holstein | sure | 00:36 |
| holstein | just install linux-rt however you install things | 00:36 |
| holstein | then check out | 00:36 |
| holstein | !grub2 | 00:36 |
| ubottu | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 00:36 |
| holstein | and decide how you want to deal with booting your RT kernel | 00:36 |
| tuizim | hm | 00:37 |
| holstein | you can run uname -a in a terminal to make sure you are running the RT kernel | 00:37 |
| holstein | then check out | 00:37 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 00:37 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 00:37 |
| holstein | for how to install the metapackages if you want them | 00:37 |
| tuizim | for instance, can i just choose on synaptic ubunstudio audio and rt kernel? | 00:38 |
| tuizim | ubuntustudio meta | 00:38 |
| tuizim | and voilá ? | 00:38 |
| tuizim | thats awesome :) | 00:38 |
| holstein | sure | 00:38 |
| holstein | pretty much | 00:38 |
| holstein | tuizim: you might want to just search ubuntustudio | 00:38 |
| holstein | in synaptic or watever | 00:38 |
| holstein | and read about the meta packages | 00:38 |
| holstein | and decide what you want | 00:38 |
| holstein | tuizim: and try the generic kernel | 00:39 |
| holstein | and get the RT one if needed | 00:39 |
| tuizim | i dont wanna ubuntustudio skin changes | 00:39 |
| tuizim | just the audio part | 00:39 |
| tuizim | ill do audio editing mostly, kinda in the mood to try the rt stuff again | 00:39 |
| holstein | you want sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins linux-rt | 00:40 |
| holstein | tuizim: you dont need the RT kernel to try the software | 00:40 |
| holstein | you might just want lower latency at some point | 00:40 |
| holstein | tuizim: are you planning on using it for real-time effects processing? | 00:40 |
| holstein | or software synthesis ? | 00:41 |
| tuizim | both | 00:41 |
| holstein | OK | 00:41 |
| holstein | go for it then :) | 00:41 |
| tuizim | the studio will have reharshals and recording | 00:41 |
| holstein | another good resource is http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ | 00:41 |
| tuizim | whoa! thanks | 00:41 |
| holstein | tuizim: you using your internal sound card? | 00:44 |
| tuizim | i got an maudio delta 1010 | 00:45 |
| tuizim | on a dell 4700 | 00:45 |
| holstein | AH | 00:45 |
| tuizim | no video card | 00:45 |
| holstein | those work well | 00:45 |
| tuizim | shaggy stuff | 00:45 |
| holstein | 1010lt? | 00:46 |
| tuizim | it was kinda forgotten, im ressurectint this dell | 00:46 |
| holstein | or the fancy one with the breakout box? | 00:46 |
| tuizim | it had 256 ram, bought 2gb | 00:46 |
| tuizim | no, lt | 00:46 |
| holstein | you should be fine | 00:46 |
| tuizim | and the ugly cables | 00:46 |
| holstein | theres a guy | 00:46 |
| tuizim | thanks very much for the attention! | 00:46 |
| holstein | pipemanmusic | 00:46 |
| holstein | over in #opensourcemusicians | 00:47 |
| tuizim | not much action on this chan lately | 00:47 |
| holstein | has a 1010lt | 00:47 |
| holstein | says he gets like 1.2ms latency stable | 00:47 |
| holstein | something really low like that | 00:47 |
| holstein | tuizim: yeah, i usually sit back and answer questions when i can | 00:47 |
| tuizim | whoa! with rt kernel i supose | 00:48 |
| holstein | this would have been a under karmic or jaunty we were talking about it | 00:48 |
| holstein | so yeah, the RT kernel | 00:49 |
| holstein | he's on lucid now though | 00:49 |
| holstein | and hasnt complained | 00:49 |
| tuizim | ill just dive them | 00:49 |
| tuizim | iv installed ubuntustudio in it, with the 256 ram | 00:49 |
| tuizim | didnt work out wel | 00:49 |
| holstein | if your wanting to run a studio on a p3 | 00:50 |
| holstein | i would look at an old distro | 00:50 |
| holstein | dynebolic | 00:50 |
| tuizim | its a p4 | 00:50 |
| holstein | tuizim: you bumped up the ram right? | 00:50 |
| tuizim | yeah | 00:50 |
| holstein | i got a p4 2.4 with a gig of ram | 00:50 |
| holstein | and its running ubuntu studio well | 00:51 |
| holstein | i wouldnt call it nimble or elegant | 00:51 |
| holstein | but its more than do-able | 00:51 |
| tuizim | nice | 00:54 |
| tuizim | the one think i got mad was skype and jack | 00:55 |
| tuizim | even youtube i got into jack | 00:55 |
| tuizim | and didnt found an alternative to use skype as a radio microfone | 00:55 |
| tuizim | to people talk live | 00:55 |
| holstein | AH | 00:56 |
| holstein | tuizim: those guys in that channel had it going | 00:56 |
| holstein | the opensourcemusician guys | 00:56 |
| holstein | the podcasters | 00:56 |
| holstein | one of them is in canada and the other in the mid-west somewhere | 00:56 |
| holstein | US | 00:57 |
| holstein | and they had skype to JACK | 00:57 |
| holstein | they use mumble now | 00:57 |
| tuizim | yeah | 01:01 |
| tuizim | im im brasil | 01:01 |
| tuizim | its quite large, people always very far away on the coletive podcasts | 01:02 |
| tuizim | well, its kinda of urgent this, ill get my hands dirty | 01:02 |
| tuizim | nice talking to you man! | 01:02 |
| holstein | tuizim: good luck :) | 01:02 |
| holstein | let us know how it goes | 01:03 |
| tuizim | surely | 01:03 |
| holstein | [lsd] will tell you about skype to JACK sometime | 01:03 |
| holstein | he just got up i think | 01:03 |
| holstein | anyways | 01:04 |
| tuizim | would be nicer with skype, since people already have it going on theyr pcs | 01:06 |
| holstein | it works | 01:06 |
| tuizim | easyer for someone we interview or so | 01:06 |
| holstein | those guys just wanted mumble so everything would be opensource | 01:06 |
| holstein | which is nice | 01:07 |
| tuizim | thats an important point for us too | 01:11 |
| tuizim | go all the way | 01:11 |
| timposey | I have a new install of ustudio, the system will not access the internet wireless or connected by cable, it would not connect during the install even after trying repeatedly | 03:24 |
| timposey | why is xchat erasing the first part of everything?!!! | 03:25 |
| timposey | I have a new Ustudio install on my laptop and it... (see above) | 03:26 |
| holstein | timposey: hey | 03:26 |
| holstein | i think i talked to you earlier | 03:26 |
| holstein | get that thing plugged in to your router | 03:26 |
| timposey | yes, I tried it with the cable and it would not work. | 03:27 |
| holstein | yeah? | 03:27 |
| holstein | interesting... | 03:27 |
| holstein | timposey: plug the cable in | 03:27 |
| holstein | and restart the box | 03:27 |
| holstein | just to make sure | 03:27 |
| timposey | I did that | 03:27 |
| timposey | I installed ubuntu 10.04 side by side on the drive and when I boot from regular ubuntu it works fine | 03:28 |
| holstein | timposey: gotcha | 03:29 |
| holstein | but you have the network cable plugged in | 03:29 |
| holstein | and restared the box | 03:29 |
| holstein | and no-go? | 03:30 |
| timposey | yes and no-go | 03:30 |
| holstein | well, its on the DVD too | 03:30 |
| holstein | the nm-applet | 03:30 |
| holstein | you can tell synaptic to use the DVD as a repo | 03:31 |
| holstein | and install it from there | 03:31 |
| holstein | im 90% sure thats what you need | 03:31 |
| holstein | 99% | 03:31 |
| timposey | I have the ISO installed on my usb memory | 03:31 |
| holstein | you should be able to point synaptic to it | 03:32 |
| timposey | how would I go about just getting that without reinstalling everything? | 03:32 |
| holstein | just open synaptic | 03:32 |
| holstein | system - administration - synaptic package manager | 03:33 |
| holstein | go to settings - repositories | 03:33 |
| holstein | go to the 'other software' tab | 03:34 |
| timposey | and whay synaptic would I be looking for | 03:34 |
| holstein | and go to 'add cd-rom' | 03:34 |
| timposey | ok | 03:34 |
| holstein | but im pretty sure you need the acutal DVD | 03:34 |
| holstein | for this to work auto-magically | 03:34 |
| holstein | we'll see | 03:34 |
| timposey | If it will work without the cd or dvd, I don't see how to do it. | 03:37 |
| holstein | do you have the DVD? | 03:37 |
| timposey | no, I will have to burn one. | 03:37 |
| holstein | thats what we will call 'the easy way' ;) | 03:38 |
| holstein | you can poke around though | 03:38 |
| holstein | and find the .deb somewhere in that iso image | 03:38 |
| holstein | you'll need dependancies though | 03:39 |
| timposey | what package will I be looking for? | 03:41 |
| holstein | nm-applet | 03:42 |
| holstein | i would burn the ISO to disc though | 03:42 |
| holstein | or just wipe that install | 03:42 |
| holstein | and install what you want from ubuntustudio into the other install | 03:43 |
| holstein | we can call that 'plan B' | 03:43 |
| timposey | I have tried that in the past, but it just did not work that well, I was hoping by doing the full install that it would work better. | 03:43 |
| holstein | sure | 03:44 |
| holstein | do you need internet then? | 03:44 |
| holstein | in that install? | 03:44 |
| holstein | if its a studio install | 03:44 |
| timposey | I can already see this is going to be a huge learning curve I was using ulead video studio on windows and final cut on mac. It would be nice to have it so that I could download the photos and video that I have online right now. | 03:45 |
| holstein | OK | 03:45 |
| holstein | so you need it | 03:45 |
| holstein | yeah, burn that iso | 03:45 |
| holstein | and go through the above steps | 03:46 |
| holstein | with synaptic | 03:46 |
| timposey | I will burn the dvd and give it a try and see what happens. thanks for the help. | 03:46 |
| holstein | when you ad the CD as a repo | 03:46 |
| holstein | you'll be promted to 'reload' | 03:46 |
| holstein | you'll want to do that | 03:46 |
| holstein | then search for nm-applet | 03:46 |
| holstein | that and some other things should install | 03:46 |
| holstein | and hopefully after restaring | 03:47 |
| holstein | restarting* | 03:47 |
| holstein | it will just automagically work like the other install | 03:47 |
| holstein | if not | 03:47 |
| holstein | timposey: come find me :) | 03:47 |
| holstein | or someone in here | 03:47 |
| timposey | thanks, just glad someone is here... | 03:48 |
| holstein | im always logged in here | 03:48 |
| holstein | i just might be out | 03:48 |
| holstein | good luck :) | 03:48 |
| timposey | holstein you still there? | 03:54 |
| holstein | timposey: yo | 03:55 |
| timposey | I burned the dvd put it in the drive tried to access it but it says failed to mount the cd-rom | 03:55 |
| timposey | which is actually a dvd | 03:56 |
| holstein | hmmm | 03:56 |
| holstein | bad disc? | 03:56 |
| timposey | but it is mounted in places | 03:56 |
| holstein | timposey: just try in synaptic | 03:57 |
| holstein | and see if it'll mount that way | 03:57 |
| holstein | if not | 03:57 |
| holstein | we'll have to try something different | 03:57 |
| holstein | timposey: bb... phone | 03:58 |
| holstein | hmmm | 04:18 |
| holstein | missed em | 04:18 |
| timposey | I burned a cd with just ubuntu 10.04 and I found a package called network-manager-gnome that was not installed | 04:19 |
| holstein | timposey: OH | 04:20 |
| holstein | tuizim split | 04:20 |
| holstein | i got confused | 04:20 |
| timposey | could that be it? | 04:20 |
| holstein | timposey: that should do it | 04:20 |
| holstein | all that stuff should be on that ISO as well | 04:20 |
| holstein | good idea :) | 04:20 |
| timposey | now I | 04:21 |
| holstein | timposey: did you find nm-applet? | 04:21 |
| timposey | 'm comfused.. it now pops up with a window that says insert the disk for ubuntu studio into /media/apt/ | 04:22 |
| holstein | i think network-manager-gnome is the one that you want | 04:23 |
| holstein | maybe its been renamed | 04:23 |
| holstein | timposey: in synaptic | 04:23 |
| timposey | why would it say /apt/ | 04:23 |
| timposey | yes | 04:23 |
| holstein | uncheck the box beside that repo | 04:23 |
| holstein | the one that enabled the CD as a repo | 04:23 |
| holstein | timposey: the /apt is going to be becuase apt is using it as a repo | 04:24 |
| holstein | timposey: uncheck that box *after* you get network-manager-gnome and its dependancies installed | 04:25 |
| timposey | that is the thing, it will not let me install it. | 04:26 |
| timposey | when I uncheck the box then it is not showing as available for install | 04:26 |
| holstein | OH | 04:27 |
| holstein | timposey: yeah | 04:27 |
| holstein | so re-check that box | 04:27 |
| holstein | then tell me what error you get | 04:27 |
| holstein | when trying to install network-manager-gnome | 04:28 |
| holstein | timposey: be sure to hit the 'reload' button | 04:28 |
| holstein | timposey: whats it look like? | 04:30 |
| holstein | i would go to the 'other software' tab | 04:31 |
| holstein | and get rid of the repo you added | 04:31 |
| holstein | i bet you added the studio DVD | 04:31 |
| holstein | get rid of that one and whatever else you added | 04:31 |
| holstein | and start over | 04:31 |
| timposey | when I do that it says error scanning the cd E: failed to mount the cd-rom | 04:32 |
| holstein | leave the ones that are 'archive.connonical' alone | 04:32 |
| holstein | canonical* | 04:32 |
| timposey | I have not touched them | 04:32 |
| holstein | so | 04:34 |
| holstein | take the CD out of the drive | 04:34 |
| holstein | in the 'other software tab' you should have only 2 things there right? | 04:34 |
| timposey | correct | 04:35 |
| holstein | OK | 04:35 |
| holstein | so put the CD in | 04:35 |
| timposey | ok | 04:35 |
| holstein | then try that 'add CD-rom' button again | 04:36 |
| holstein | no-go? | 04:36 |
| timposey | it just asks again to put the cd in | 04:37 |
| holstein | under the 'ubuntu software' tab | 04:37 |
| timposey | then the error scanning the cd message | 04:37 |
| holstein | theres an option at the bottom | 04:37 |
| timposey | yes | 04:38 |
| holstein | 'installable from CDrom/DVD | 04:38 |
| holstein | try enabling that with the checkbox | 04:38 |
| holstein | and see if you have any joy | 04:38 |
| holstein | i really need to do this sometime | 04:38 |
| holstein | test it | 04:38 |
| holstein | so i know how to do it | 04:38 |
| holstein | and strip out the .debs for others to DL | 04:39 |
| holstein | this comes up a lot | 04:39 |
| holstein | but usually, theres some other way of getting online | 04:39 |
| holstein | anyways | 04:39 |
| holstein | timposey: whats it look like? | 04:39 |
| timposey | that is when I see that the package is not installed | 04:40 |
| holstein | yeah | 04:40 |
| timposey | but when I hit apply it looks in /media/apt | 04:40 |
| holstein | but its there right? | 04:40 |
| holstein | and doesnt get it? | 04:40 |
| timposey | yes | 04:41 |
| holstein | dammit | 04:41 |
| timposey | it is not looking at the media/cd-dvd rom drive. | 04:43 |
| holstein | timposey: OK | 04:45 |
| holstein | go back to reposiories | 04:45 |
| holstein | and uncheck that box | 04:45 |
| timposey | I'm going to give up tonight, I may try a full reinstall tomorrow. | 04:45 |
| holstein | get the CD out | 04:45 |
| holstein | timposey: if you got one sec | 04:45 |
| timposey | ok | 04:46 |
| holstein | are you still hardwired? | 04:46 |
| holstein | to the net? | 04:46 |
| timposey | yes | 04:47 |
| holstein | hey ScottL | 04:47 |
| holstein | you got a minute? | 04:47 |
| holstein | timposey: sorry | 04:49 |
| holstein | i got nothin | 04:49 |
| holstein | i thought i had an install around here that was network manager free | 04:49 |
| holstein | but i dont | 04:49 |
| holstein | timposey: i'll know more about it next time i see you | 04:49 |
| timposey | ok | 04:49 |
| timposey | thanks for your time | 04:50 |
| ScottL | hi holstein | 04:50 |
| holstein | OH | 04:50 |
| holstein | timposey is having a hell of a time ScottL | 04:50 |
| holstein | installing the gnome network manager | 04:50 |
| holstein | from the DVD | 04:51 |
| holstein | and ive never had to do it | 04:51 |
| holstein | any suggestions? | 04:51 |
| ScottL | eh, i've never actually done it either, but yeah i've got one | 04:51 |
| holstein | timposey doesnt have internet on the box | 04:51 |
| ScottL | you can always navigate to .../pool/g/gnome-network-manager and double click on the .deb package | 04:52 |
| holstein | timposey: can you get that DVD to mount? | 04:52 |
| holstein | and try that real quick? | 04:52 |
| * holstein makes note of that location :) | 04:52 | |
| timposey | yes but under pool, I don't have g | 04:52 |
| holstein | timposey: is that the ubuntustudio iso? | 04:53 |
| timposey | yes | 04:53 |
| ScottL | maybe under n then for network | 04:53 |
| ScottL | oh, yeah i belive it's under n | 04:53 |
| timposey | ubuntu-Studio 10.04 LTS amd64 | 04:53 |
| ScottL | i remember finding network-manager, network-applet and network-admin all in the same directory | 04:54 |
| holstein | /pool/main/g ... | 04:54 |
| timposey | all I have are main multiverse restricted and universe | 04:54 |
| ScottL | oh, yeah and main | 04:54 |
| ScottL | sorry, i'm really tired and probably not thinking straight | 04:54 |
| holstein | im in the maverick iso | 04:55 |
| holstein | that should be similar though | 04:55 |
| timposey | ok found it | 04:55 |
| holstein | sweet :) | 04:55 |
| ScottL | outstanding...you can copy the .deb file to your desktop and double click it...that's probably the best way i think | 04:56 |
| timposey | I found gnome-nettool | 04:56 |
| timposey | network manager is not there | 04:56 |
| ScottL | try under N | 04:57 |
| timposey | under n network manager | 04:57 |
| holstein | yeah | 04:57 |
| timposey | saying dependency is not met, looks like I might have to do some searching | 04:58 |
| holstein | and network manager applet too | 04:58 |
| holstein | timposey: all the dependancies will be in that main directory though | 04:59 |
| holstein | *should* | 04:59 |
| timposey | thanks, I found it | 04:59 |
| ScottL | good deal :) | 05:00 |
| timposey | or you all found it, I just followed instructions and not too well.. lol | 05:00 |
| * ScottL is going to bed | 05:00 | |
| holstein | thanks ScottL :) | 05:00 |
| holstein | GN | 05:00 |
| rumbert | Is there some way to set an ICM profile for all X Windows applications? for all GTK applications? I have discovered an ICM profile for my monitor. How can I see what settings I need to set my monitor to for it to match the profile? | 14:34 |
| astraljava | rumbert: From various posts Google revealed me, xcalib seems to be an option. Have you tried that? | 15:54 |
| rumbert | no | 15:55 |
| * rumbert looks | 15:55 | |
| astraljava | rumbert: Oh, and definitely check dispwin (search for Argyll CMS) | 16:08 |
| astraljava | rumbert: You can check further from here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-636874.html, jcornuz's email has a lot of links. | 16:19 |
| rumbert | got it | 16:20 |
| kasbah85 | is my fresh ubuntustudio install only supposed to boot up into xterm? | 20:45 |
| holstein | kasbah85: *shouldnt* | 20:46 |
| holstein | kasbah85: did you try a lucid live CD on the hardware before installing? | 20:47 |
| kasbah85 | lucid is installed on another parition actually | 20:48 |
| kasbah85 | works fine | 20:48 |
| kasbah85 | gnome seems to be installed | 20:49 |
| holstein | hmmm | 20:53 |
| holstein | kasbah85: maybe you have a bad disc? | 20:53 |
| holstein | you can just remove that install | 20:54 |
| kasbah85 | i checksummed the iso | 20:54 |
| holstein | and install what packages from ubuntustudio you want in your other install | 20:54 |
| kasbah85 | but i used unetbootin to do a usb instalation | 20:54 |
| kasbah85 | maybe that was the problem | 20:54 |
| holstein | AH | 20:54 |
| holstein | yeah | 20:54 |
| kasbah85 | its probably not tested for | 20:54 |
| holstein | there are special steps to install the alternate CD's from USB | 20:55 |
| kasbah85 | yeah, i just wanted to try it first before i mess with my existing ubuntu | 20:55 |
| kasbah85 | i found one special step to mount the "cdrom" | 20:55 |
| kasbah85 | the rest seemed to work fine until the install finished and it only logged me into an xterm | 20:56 |
| holstein | youve tried logging in and starting X? | 20:56 |
| kasbah85 | i just tried "xinit". but that was probably the wrong way. | 20:57 |
| kasbah85 | "start gdm"? | 20:57 |
| kasbah85 | X does start... but only with xterm--the mouse works | 20:58 |
| holstein | hmmmm | 20:58 |
| holstein | let me think about that then | 20:58 |
| kasbah85 | i think i will just burn a DVD | 20:58 |
| holstein | and maybe someone will come along | 20:58 |
| kasbah85 | just to be clear: X starts on its own upon login only with xterm | 20:59 |
| kasbah85 | went to a new terminal. stopped gdm and restarted. had the same effect | 21:02 |
| holstein | and when you get it runing | 21:02 |
| holstein | it seems normal? | 21:02 |
| kasbah85 | when i get what running? | 21:02 |
| holstein | X | 21:02 |
| kasbah85 | the mouse works, but there is nothing else, just an embedded xterm | 21:03 |
| kasbah85 | like the thing for testing X | 21:03 |
| holstein | strange | 21:03 |
| kasbah85 | i will reformat and try again from USB since i don't have a DVD right now | 21:04 |
| holstein | kasbah85: you want to just add the packages to your other install? | 21:04 |
| holstein | you dont really need to dual boot ubuntu and ubuntustudio | 21:04 |
| holstein | unless you just want to | 21:04 |
| kasbah85 | no I don't want to do that just yet | 21:04 |
| kasbah85 | i wanted to test it first | 21:05 |
| holstein | you dont have to add everything | 21:05 |
| holstein | its just several metapackages really | 21:05 |
| kasbah85 | i was hoping it would set up my 0404 correctly and jack etc | 21:05 |
| kasbah85 | i could just set those things up myself i guess | 21:06 |
| holstein | yeah | 21:06 |
| kasbah85 | emu-0404 soundcard that is | 21:06 |
| holstein | its not going to do anthing 'magical' | 21:06 |
| kasbah85 | AWWWW... | 21:06 |
| holstein | hehe | 21:06 |
| holstein | i usually just get the audio stuff | 21:06 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins | 21:07 |
| holstein | maybe linux-rt too | 21:07 |
| holstein | a link for later :) http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/ | 21:08 |
| kasbah85 | ok danke | 21:08 |
| holstein | kasbah85: 404 USB or PCI? | 21:10 |
| holstein | if you got the PCI one, you should be good to go | 21:11 |
| holstein | getting JACK running the first time is tricky | 21:11 |
| kasbah85 | PCI .. yeah i had it working a while back.. got lucky with the firmware too | 21:12 |
| kasbah85 | yeah to be honest it was quite easy to set up | 21:13 |
| kasbah85 | i was kind of hoping that i would see something in ubuntustudio to use the effects etc that the card provides | 21:14 |
| holstein | maybe the mixer | 21:14 |
| holstein | i thought it used the one that the delta 1010lt uses | 21:14 |
| kasbah85 | maybe, i don't know | 21:15 |
| holstein | STILL, that package would be in the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage | 21:15 |
| kasbah85 | ok cool | 21:15 |
| holstein | if you want to dual boot something | 21:16 |
| holstein | check out http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ | 21:16 |
| holstein | its kubuntu like | 21:17 |
| holstein | lots of changes though | 21:17 |
| holstein | KDE too, if you can handle that | 21:17 |
| * holstein is not running KXstudio | 21:17 | |
| holstein | but i have a test install | 21:17 |
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