[00:35] <tuizim> if i have a norma installation, and download the rt kernel would i be able to use jack rt?
[00:35] <tuizim> or i have to do some magic coding tricks to tune the distro?
[00:35] <tuizim> dont wanna take everything off and put ubuntustudio from scratch..
[00:36] <holstein> hey tuizim
[00:36] <holstein> sure
[00:36] <holstein> just install linux-rt however you install things
[00:36] <holstein> then check out
[00:36] <holstein> !grub2
[00:36] <holstein> and decide how you want to deal with booting your RT kernel
[00:37] <tuizim> hm
[00:37] <holstein> you can run uname -a in a terminal to make sure you are running the RT kernel
[00:37] <holstein> then check out
[00:37] <holstein> !vanilla
[00:37] <holstein> for how to install the metapackages if you want them
[00:38] <tuizim> for instance, can i just choose on synaptic ubunstudio audio and rt kernel?
[00:38] <tuizim> ubuntustudio meta
[00:38] <tuizim> and voilá ?
[00:38] <tuizim> thats awesome :)
[00:38] <holstein> sure
[00:38] <holstein> pretty much
[00:38] <holstein> tuizim: you might want to just search ubuntustudio
[00:38] <holstein> in synaptic or watever
[00:38] <holstein> and read about the meta packages
[00:38] <holstein> and decide what you want
[00:39] <holstein> tuizim: and try the generic kernel
[00:39] <holstein> and get the RT one if needed
[00:39] <tuizim> i dont wanna ubuntustudio skin changes
[00:39] <tuizim> just the audio part
[00:39] <tuizim> ill do audio editing mostly, kinda in the mood to try the rt stuff again
[00:40] <holstein> you want sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins linux-rt
[00:40] <holstein> tuizim: you dont need the RT kernel to try the software
[00:40] <holstein> you might just want lower latency at some point
[00:40] <holstein> tuizim: are you planning on using it for real-time effects processing?
[00:41] <holstein> or software synthesis ?
[00:41] <tuizim> both
[00:41] <holstein> OK
[00:41] <holstein> go for it then :)
[00:41] <tuizim> the studio will have reharshals and recording
[00:41] <holstein> another good resource is http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[00:41] <tuizim> whoa! thanks
[00:44] <holstein> tuizim: you using your internal sound card?
[00:45] <tuizim> i got an maudio delta 1010
[00:45] <tuizim> on a dell 4700
[00:45] <holstein> AH
[00:45] <tuizim> no video card
[00:45] <holstein> those work well
[00:45] <tuizim> shaggy stuff
[00:46] <holstein> 1010lt?
[00:46] <tuizim> it was kinda forgotten, im ressurectint this dell
[00:46] <holstein> or the fancy one with the breakout box?
[00:46] <tuizim> it had 256 ram, bought 2gb
[00:46] <tuizim> no, lt
[00:46] <holstein> you should be fine
[00:46] <tuizim> and the ugly cables
[00:46] <holstein> theres a guy
[00:46] <tuizim> thanks very much for the attention!
[00:46] <holstein> pipemanmusic
[00:47] <holstein> over in #opensourcemusicians
[00:47] <tuizim> not much action on this chan lately
[00:47] <holstein> has a 1010lt
[00:47] <holstein> says he gets like 1.2ms latency stable
[00:47] <holstein> something really low like that
[00:47] <holstein> tuizim: yeah, i usually sit back and answer questions when i can
[00:48] <tuizim> whoa! with rt kernel i supose
[00:48] <holstein> this would have been a under karmic or jaunty we were talking about it
[00:49] <holstein> so yeah, the RT kernel
[00:49] <holstein> he's on lucid now though
[00:49] <holstein> and hasnt complained
[00:49] <tuizim> ill just dive them
[00:49] <tuizim> iv installed ubuntustudio in it, with the 256 ram
[00:49] <tuizim> didnt work out wel
[00:50] <holstein> if your wanting to run a studio on a p3
[00:50] <holstein> i would look at an old distro
[00:50] <holstein> dynebolic
[00:50] <tuizim> its a p4
[00:50] <holstein> tuizim: you bumped up the ram right?
[00:50] <tuizim> yeah
[00:50] <holstein> i got a p4 2.4 with a gig of ram
[00:51] <holstein> and its running ubuntu studio well
[00:51] <holstein> i wouldnt call it nimble or elegant
[00:51] <holstein> but its more than do-able
[00:54] <tuizim> nice
[00:55] <tuizim> the one think i got mad was skype and jack
[00:55] <tuizim> even youtube i got into jack
[00:55] <tuizim> and didnt found an alternative to use skype as a radio microfone
[00:55] <tuizim> to people talk live
[00:56] <holstein> AH
[00:56] <holstein> tuizim: those guys in that channel had it going
[00:56] <holstein> the opensourcemusician guys
[00:56] <holstein> the podcasters
[00:56] <holstein> one of them is in canada and the other in the mid-west somewhere
[00:57] <holstein> US
[00:57] <holstein> and they had skype to JACK
[00:57] <holstein> they use mumble now
[01:01] <tuizim> yeah
[01:01] <tuizim> im im brasil
[01:02] <tuizim> its quite large, people always very far away on the coletive podcasts
[01:02] <tuizim> well, its kinda of urgent this, ill get my hands dirty
[01:02] <tuizim> nice talking to you man!
[01:02] <holstein> tuizim: good luck :)
[01:03] <holstein> let us know how it goes
[01:03] <tuizim> surely
[01:03] <holstein> [lsd] will tell you about skype to JACK sometime
[01:03] <holstein> he just got up i think
[01:04] <holstein> anyways
[01:06] <tuizim> would be nicer with skype, since people already have it going on theyr pcs
[01:06] <holstein> it works
[01:06] <tuizim> easyer for someone we interview or so
[01:06] <holstein> those guys just wanted mumble so everything would be opensource
[01:07] <holstein> which is nice
[01:11] <tuizim> thats an important point for us too
[01:11] <tuizim> go all the way
[03:24] <timposey> I have a new install of ustudio, the system will not access the internet wireless or connected by cable, it would not connect during the install even after trying repeatedly
[03:25] <timposey> why is xchat erasing the first part of everything?!!!
[03:26] <timposey> I have a new Ustudio install on my laptop and it... (see above)
[03:26] <holstein> timposey: hey
[03:26] <holstein> i think i talked to you earlier
[03:26] <holstein> get that thing plugged in to your router
[03:27] <timposey> yes, I tried it with the cable and it would not work.
[03:27] <holstein> yeah?
[03:27] <holstein> interesting...
[03:27] <holstein> timposey: plug the cable in
[03:27] <holstein> and restart the box
[03:27] <holstein> just to make sure
[03:27] <timposey> I did that
[03:28] <timposey> I installed ubuntu 10.04 side by side on the drive and when I boot from regular ubuntu it works fine
[03:29] <holstein> timposey: gotcha
[03:29] <holstein> but you have the network cable plugged in
[03:29] <holstein> and restared the box
[03:30] <holstein> and no-go?
[03:30] <timposey> yes and no-go
[03:30] <holstein> well, its on the DVD too
[03:30] <holstein> the nm-applet
[03:31] <holstein> you can tell synaptic to use the DVD as a repo
[03:31] <holstein> and install it from there
[03:31] <holstein> im 90% sure thats what you need
[03:31] <holstein> 99%
[03:31] <timposey> I have the ISO installed on my usb memory
[03:32] <holstein> you should be able to point synaptic to it
[03:32] <timposey> how would I go about just getting that without reinstalling everything?
[03:32] <holstein> just open synaptic
[03:33] <holstein> system - administration - synaptic package manager
[03:33] <holstein> go to settings - repositories
[03:34] <holstein> go to the 'other software' tab
[03:34] <timposey> and whay synaptic would I be looking for
[03:34] <holstein> and go to 'add cd-rom'
[03:34] <timposey> ok
[03:34] <holstein> but im pretty sure you need the acutal DVD
[03:34] <holstein> for this to work auto-magically
[03:34] <holstein> we'll see
[03:37] <timposey> If it will work without the cd or dvd, I don't see how to do it.
[03:37] <holstein> do you have the DVD?
[03:37] <timposey> no, I will have to burn one.
[03:38] <holstein> thats what we will call 'the easy way' ;)
[03:38] <holstein> you can poke around though
[03:38] <holstein> and find the .deb somewhere in that iso image
[03:39] <holstein> you'll need dependancies though
[03:41] <timposey> what package will I be looking for?
[03:42] <holstein> nm-applet
[03:42] <holstein> i would burn the ISO to disc though
[03:42] <holstein> or just wipe that install
[03:43] <holstein> and install what you want from ubuntustudio into the other install
[03:43] <holstein> we can call that 'plan B'
[03:43] <timposey> I have tried that in the past, but it just did not work that well, I was hoping by doing the full install that it would work better.
[03:44] <holstein> sure
[03:44] <holstein> do you need internet then?
[03:44] <holstein> in that install?
[03:44] <holstein> if its a studio install
[03:45] <timposey> I can already see this is going to be a huge learning curve I was using ulead video studio on windows and final cut on mac.  It would be nice to have it so that I could download the photos and video that I have online right now.
[03:45] <holstein> OK
[03:45] <holstein> so you need it
[03:45] <holstein> yeah, burn that iso
[03:46] <holstein> and go through the above steps
[03:46] <holstein> with synaptic
[03:46] <timposey> I will burn the dvd and give it a try and see what happens.   thanks for the help.
[03:46] <holstein> when you ad the CD as a repo
[03:46] <holstein> you'll be promted to 'reload'
[03:46] <holstein> you'll want to do that
[03:46] <holstein> then search for nm-applet
[03:46] <holstein> that and some other things should install
[03:47] <holstein> and hopefully after restaring
[03:47] <holstein> restarting*
[03:47] <holstein> it will just automagically work like the other install
[03:47] <holstein> if not
[03:47] <holstein> timposey: come find me :)
[03:47] <holstein> or someone in here
[03:48] <timposey> thanks, just glad someone is here...
[03:48] <holstein> im always logged in here
[03:48] <holstein> i just might be out
[03:48] <holstein> good luck :)
[03:54] <timposey> holstein you still there?
[03:55] <holstein> timposey: yo
[03:55] <timposey> I burned the dvd put it in the drive tried to access it but it says failed to mount the cd-rom
[03:56] <timposey> which is actually a dvd
[03:56] <holstein> hmmm
[03:56] <holstein> bad disc?
[03:56] <timposey> but it is mounted in places
[03:57] <holstein> timposey: just try in synaptic
[03:57] <holstein> and see if it'll mount that way
[03:57] <holstein> if not
[03:57] <holstein> we'll have to try something different
[03:58] <holstein> timposey: bb... phone
[04:18] <holstein> hmmm
[04:18] <holstein> missed em
[04:19] <timposey> I burned a cd with just ubuntu 10.04 and I found a package called network-manager-gnome that was not installed
[04:20] <holstein> timposey: OH
[04:20] <holstein> tuizim split
[04:20] <holstein> i got confused
[04:20] <timposey> could that be it?
[04:20] <holstein> timposey: that should do it
[04:20] <holstein> all that stuff should be on that ISO as well
[04:20] <holstein> good idea :)
[04:21] <timposey> now I
[04:21] <holstein> timposey: did you find nm-applet?
[04:22] <timposey> 'm comfused.. it now pops up with a window that says insert the disk for ubuntu studio into /media/apt/
[04:23] <holstein> i think network-manager-gnome is the one that you want
[04:23] <holstein> maybe its been renamed
[04:23] <holstein> timposey: in synaptic
[04:23] <timposey> why would it say /apt/
[04:23] <timposey> yes
[04:23] <holstein> uncheck the box beside that repo
[04:23] <holstein> the one that enabled the CD as a repo
[04:24] <holstein> timposey: the /apt is going to be becuase apt is using it as a repo
[04:25] <holstein> timposey: uncheck that box *after* you get network-manager-gnome and its dependancies installed
[04:26] <timposey> that is the thing, it will not let me install it.
[04:26] <timposey> when I uncheck the box then it is not showing as available for install
[04:27] <holstein> OH
[04:27] <holstein> timposey: yeah
[04:27] <holstein> so re-check that box
[04:27] <holstein> then tell me what error you get
[04:28] <holstein> when trying to install network-manager-gnome
[04:28] <holstein> timposey: be sure to hit the 'reload' button
[04:30] <holstein> timposey: whats it look like?
[04:31] <holstein> i would go to the 'other software' tab
[04:31] <holstein> and get rid of the repo you added
[04:31] <holstein> i bet you added the studio DVD
[04:31] <holstein> get rid of that one and whatever else you added
[04:31] <holstein> and start over
[04:32] <timposey> when I do that it says error scanning the  cd  E: failed to mount the cd-rom
[04:32] <holstein> leave the ones that are 'archive.connonical' alone
[04:32] <holstein> canonical*
[04:32] <timposey> I have not touched them
[04:34] <holstein> so
[04:34] <holstein> take the CD out of the drive
[04:34] <holstein> in the 'other software tab' you should have only 2 things there right?
[04:35] <timposey> correct
[04:35] <holstein> OK
[04:35] <holstein> so put the CD in
[04:35] <timposey> ok
[04:36] <holstein> then try that 'add CD-rom' button again
[04:36] <holstein> no-go?
[04:37] <timposey> it just asks again to put the cd in
[04:37] <holstein> under the 'ubuntu software' tab
[04:37] <timposey> then the error scanning the cd message
[04:37] <holstein> theres an option at the bottom
[04:38] <timposey> yes
[04:38] <holstein> 'installable from CDrom/DVD
[04:38] <holstein> try enabling that with the checkbox
[04:38] <holstein> and see if you have any joy
[04:38] <holstein> i really need to do this sometime
[04:38] <holstein> test it
[04:38] <holstein> so i know how to do it
[04:39] <holstein> and strip out the .debs for others to DL
[04:39] <holstein> this comes up a lot
[04:39] <holstein> but usually, theres some other way of getting online
[04:39] <holstein> anyways
[04:39] <holstein> timposey: whats it look like?
[04:40] <timposey> that is when I see that the package is not installed
[04:40] <holstein> yeah
[04:40] <timposey> but when I hit apply it looks in /media/apt
[04:40] <holstein> but its there right?
[04:40] <holstein> and doesnt get it?
[04:41] <timposey> yes
[04:41] <holstein> dammit
[04:43] <timposey> it is not looking at the media/cd-dvd rom drive.
[04:45] <holstein> timposey: OK
[04:45] <holstein> go back to reposiories
[04:45] <holstein> and uncheck that box
[04:45] <timposey> I'm going to give up tonight, I may try a full reinstall tomorrow.
[04:45] <holstein> get the CD out
[04:45] <holstein> timposey: if you got one sec
[04:46] <timposey> ok
[04:46] <holstein> are you still hardwired?
[04:46] <holstein> to the net?
[04:47] <timposey> yes
[04:47] <holstein> hey ScottL
[04:47] <holstein> you got a minute?
[04:49] <holstein> timposey: sorry
[04:49] <holstein> i got nothin
[04:49] <holstein> i thought i had an install around here that was network manager free
[04:49] <holstein> but i dont
[04:49] <holstein> timposey: i'll know more about it next time i see you
[04:49] <timposey> ok
[04:50] <timposey> thanks for your time
[04:50] <ScottL> hi holstein
[04:50] <holstein> OH
[04:50] <holstein> timposey is having a hell of a time ScottL
[04:50] <holstein> installing the gnome network manager
[04:51] <holstein> from the DVD
[04:51] <holstein> and ive never had to do it
[04:51] <holstein> any suggestions?
[04:51] <ScottL> eh, i've never actually done it either, but yeah i've got one
[04:51] <holstein> timposey doesnt have internet on the box
[04:52] <ScottL> you can always navigate to .../pool/g/gnome-network-manager and double click on the .deb package
[04:52] <holstein> timposey: can you get that DVD to mount?
[04:52] <holstein> and try that real quick?
[04:52]  * holstein makes note of that location :)
[04:52] <timposey> yes but under pool, I don't have g
[04:53] <holstein> timposey: is that the ubuntustudio iso?
[04:53] <timposey> yes
[04:53] <ScottL> maybe under n then for network
[04:53] <ScottL> oh, yeah i belive it's under n
[04:53] <timposey> ubuntu-Studio 10.04 LTS amd64
[04:54] <ScottL> i remember finding network-manager, network-applet and network-admin all in the same directory
[04:54] <holstein> /pool/main/g ...
[04:54] <timposey> all I have are main multiverse restricted and universe
[04:54] <ScottL> oh, yeah and main
[04:54] <ScottL> sorry, i'm really tired and probably not thinking straight
[04:55] <holstein> im in the maverick iso
[04:55] <holstein> that should be similar though
[04:55] <timposey> ok found it
[04:55] <holstein> sweet :)
[04:56] <ScottL> outstanding...you can copy the .deb file to your desktop and double click it...that's probably the best way i think
[04:56] <timposey> I found gnome-nettool
[04:56] <timposey> network manager is not there
[04:57] <ScottL> try under N
[04:57] <timposey> under n network manager
[04:57] <holstein> yeah
[04:58] <timposey> saying dependency is not met, looks like I might have to do some searching
[04:58] <holstein> and network manager applet too
[04:59] <holstein> timposey: all the dependancies will be in that main directory though
[04:59] <holstein> *should*
[04:59] <timposey> thanks, I found it
[05:00] <ScottL> good deal :)
[05:00] <timposey> or you all found it, I just followed instructions and not too well.. lol
[05:00]  * ScottL is going to bed
[05:00] <holstein> thanks ScottL :)
[05:00] <holstein> GN
[14:34] <rumbert> Is there some way to set an ICM profile for all X Windows applications?  for all GTK applications?  I have discovered an ICM profile for my monitor.  How can I see what settings I need to set my monitor to for it to match the profile?
[15:54] <astraljava> rumbert: From various posts Google revealed me, xcalib seems to be an option. Have you tried that?
[15:55] <rumbert> no
[15:55]  * rumbert looks
[16:08] <astraljava> rumbert: Oh, and definitely check dispwin (search for Argyll CMS)
[16:19] <astraljava> rumbert: You can check further from here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-636874.html, jcornuz's email has a lot of links.
[16:20] <rumbert> got it
[20:45] <kasbah85> is my fresh ubuntustudio install only supposed to boot up into xterm?
[20:46] <holstein> kasbah85: *shouldnt*
[20:47] <holstein> kasbah85: did you try a lucid live CD on the hardware before installing?
[20:48] <kasbah85> lucid is installed on another parition actually
[20:48] <kasbah85> works fine
[20:49] <kasbah85> gnome seems to be installed
[20:53] <holstein> hmmm
[20:53] <holstein> kasbah85: maybe you have a bad disc?
[20:54] <holstein> you can just remove that install
[20:54] <kasbah85> i checksummed the iso
[20:54] <holstein> and install what packages from ubuntustudio you want in your other install
[20:54] <kasbah85> but i used unetbootin to do a usb instalation
[20:54] <kasbah85> maybe that was the problem
[20:54] <holstein> AH
[20:54] <holstein> yeah
[20:54] <kasbah85> its probably not tested for
[20:55] <holstein> there are special steps to install the alternate CD's from USB
[20:55] <kasbah85> yeah, i just wanted to try it first before i mess with my existing ubuntu
[20:55] <kasbah85> i found one special step to mount the "cdrom"
[20:56] <kasbah85> the rest seemed to work fine until the install finished and it only logged me into an xterm
[20:56] <holstein> youve tried logging in and starting X?
[20:57] <kasbah85> i just tried "xinit". but that was probably the wrong way.
[20:57] <kasbah85> "start gdm"?
[20:58] <kasbah85> X does start... but only with xterm--the mouse works
[20:58] <holstein> hmmmm
[20:58] <holstein> let me think about that then
[20:58] <kasbah85> i think i will just burn a DVD
[20:58] <holstein> and maybe someone will come along
[20:59] <kasbah85> just to be clear: X starts on its  own upon login only with xterm
[21:02] <kasbah85> went to a new terminal. stopped gdm and restarted. had the same effect
[21:02] <holstein> and when you get it runing
[21:02] <holstein> it seems normal?
[21:02] <kasbah85> when i get what running?
[21:02] <holstein> X
[21:03] <kasbah85> the mouse works, but there is nothing else, just an embedded xterm
[21:03] <kasbah85> like the thing for testing X
[21:03] <holstein> strange
[21:04] <kasbah85> i will reformat and try again from USB since i don't have a DVD right  now
[21:04] <holstein> kasbah85: you want to just add the packages to your other install?
[21:04] <holstein> you dont really need to dual boot ubuntu and ubuntustudio
[21:04] <holstein> unless you just want to
[21:04] <kasbah85> no I don't want to do that just yet
[21:05] <kasbah85> i wanted to test it first
[21:05] <holstein> you dont have to add everything
[21:05] <holstein> its just several metapackages really
[21:05] <kasbah85> i was hoping it would set up my 0404 correctly and jack etc
[21:06] <kasbah85> i could just set those things up myself i guess
[21:06] <holstein> yeah
[21:06] <kasbah85> emu-0404 soundcard that is
[21:06] <holstein> its not going to do anthing 'magical'
[21:06] <kasbah85> AWWWW...
[21:06] <holstein> hehe
[21:06] <holstein> i usually just get the audio stuff
[21:07] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-audio ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[21:07] <holstein> maybe linux-rt too
[21:08] <holstein> a link for later :) http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[21:08] <kasbah85> ok danke
[21:10] <holstein> kasbah85: 404 USB or PCI?
[21:11] <holstein> if you got the PCI one, you should be good to go
[21:11] <holstein> getting JACK running the first time is tricky
[21:12] <kasbah85> PCI .. yeah i had it working a while back.. got lucky with the firmware too
[21:13] <kasbah85> yeah to be honest it was quite easy to set up
[21:14] <kasbah85> i was kind of hoping that i would see something in ubuntustudio to use the effects etc that the card provides
[21:14] <holstein> maybe the mixer
[21:14] <holstein> i thought it used the one that the delta 1010lt uses
[21:15] <kasbah85> maybe, i don't know
[21:15] <holstein> STILL, that package would be in the ubuntustudio-audio metapackage
[21:15] <kasbah85> ok cool
[21:16] <holstein> if you want to dual boot something
[21:16] <holstein> check out http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
[21:17] <holstein> its kubuntu like
[21:17] <holstein> lots of changes though
[21:17] <holstein> KDE too, if you can handle that
[21:17]  * holstein is not running KXstudio
[21:17] <holstein> but i have a test install