[01:10] <mshorts> hello. I need help. I have gotten a wireless adapter so I can use with Kubuntu and have the zip downloaded from realtek .... now what do I do? I know it was make and make install but I can't remember all the details
[01:15] <mshorts> anyone home
[01:16] <mshorts> hello. I need help. I have gotten a wireless adapter so I can use with Kubuntu and have the zip downloaded from realtek .... now what do I do? I know it was make and make install but I can't remember all the details
[02:07] <mshorts> anyone here
[02:15] <luis__> hi everyone i have openoffice3.2 and i opened an hour ago and told me there's an update available i click ok and it downloaded a .tar.gz file how do i applied that so my openoffice can be updated?
[02:15] <luis__> hel please
[02:16] <luis__> help*
[02:32] <luis__> thanks anyway i already find out how to do the update with that file :P
[02:55] <sea4ever> Hi, there seems to be something strange going on with my X server.
[02:55] <sea4ever> The edges of gradients are green-pixellated and sort of flickering, but only sometimes.
[02:55] <sea4ever> I've booted into BSD (here I am now) and it doesn't occur.
[02:56] <sea4ever> I've also taken screenshots and checked them but the green pixels are not saved, it looks normal.
[03:13] <cato37> after playing supertux, the screen resolution had a hard time resetting, and now the information bar in dolphin won't auto adjust. it is stuck in monster size. how do i get it back to being adustable?
[03:31] <kwtm> Hi!  How are you all?
[04:07] <cato37> after playing supertux, the screen resolution had a hard time resetting, and now the information bar in dolphin won't auto adjust. it is stuck in monster size. how do i get it back to being adustable?
[04:14] <cato37> have agood night all.
[05:07] <avihay> mmm, anyone know why my dolphin takes 540MB of RAM?  I only have 40 tabs open. it also seems to grow as time goes by, when I start the computer, dolphin doesn't take that much memory
[06:47] <navetz> Hi I need help. New applications that I install are not beign added to my start menu.
[06:47] <navetz> How can I fix this?
[06:49] <sea4ever> You can log out and back in and that'll fix it for sure, or you can run update-menus in a terminal
[06:49] <idanka_> hali
[06:50] <idanka_> tud valaki segíteni Kubuntu/nvidia csúnya fontokban?
[06:52] <navetz> sea4ever: logging out and in has not fixed it, and update-menus doesn't work as a command for me
[06:53] <sea4ever> Oh interesting, how'd you install the new stuff?
[06:53] <navetz> sea4ever:  with apt-get
[06:55] <sea4ever> Well..maybe kbuildsyscoca? :\ Since nothing else works
[06:59] <navetz> sea4ever: I am trying that now, I don't really know what its suppose to do and it gives me some errors
[07:01] <sea4ever> What are the errors?
[07:02] <navetz> sea4ever: humm, seems to have worked, plasma desktop crashed but the menu items are there now after it restarted
[07:03] <sea4ever> lol weird, but it works..dunno why plasma went and crashed though.
[07:05] <navetz> sea4ever: what does that program do?
[07:06] <sea4ever> navetz: Y'know I have no idea really. It rebuilds some kde thing or other.
[07:06] <navetz> sea4ever: haha well thanks for recommending it
[07:07] <sea4ever> lol. No problem. If you ever figure out what it does let me know though
[07:08] <sea4ever> Oh wait I got it. It's 'kbuildsycoca' and it rebuilds the 'kSyCoCa' Kde System configuration Cache.
[09:58] <gunsofbrixton> hi, how do I know which qt libraries I have on my system?
[09:58] <gunsofbrixton> I mean, which version...
[10:02] <Torch> gunsofbrixton: kde4-config --version shows you what kde uses.
[10:22] <Thrik> hi all.  using quassel, i accidently clicked on the menu item to hide the menu.  now, i can't figure out to unhide the file menu.  any clues?
[10:25] <Thrik> ctrl-m
[10:35] <dany_> hi all
[10:35] <dany_> I got a problem
[10:35] <dany_> I upgraded to Kubuntu  10
[10:36] <dany_> and now sometimes when I try to shutdown the system the system does not
[10:36] <dany_> shutdown properly
[10:37] <dany_> there is the blue screen with the text "kubuntu 10" and the loading bar but it does not shutdown :(
[10:37] <dany_> in these cases I must reboot the system and shutdown.. What can I do?
[11:19] <dany_> is there nobody?
[11:25] <Misterio> dany_: no :P
[11:25] <dany_> :D
[11:25] <dany_> one in the desert :P
[11:27] <Chicano> hi everyone
[11:28] <Misterio> Hi Chicano
[11:28] <Chicano> I've got backports installed and have seen blocked koffice updates for quite some time now.
[11:28] <Chicano> I guess my question is: why haven't the prerequisite packages been uploaded to the archives?
[11:28] <Misterio> Chicano: Did you check universe and that stuff enabled?
[11:28] <Misterio> if there are enabled
[11:29] <Chicano> yeah, main, universe and multiverse are all enabled
[11:30] <Misterio> Chicano: Have you tried updating in a terminal? "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[11:30] <Chicano> yep, tried apt-get and aptitude
[11:30] <Chicano> the koffice 2.2.1 packages remain blocked
[11:31] <Chicano> The first week I didn't even pay any mind to the blocked packages
[11:32] <Chicano> but since it's not an experimental package, I'd like to update them if at all possible
[11:32] <Misterio> Chicano: Do you have backports enabled? Is Koffice a backport version?
[11:34] <CaNoc> hello, my screen is 1280x1024, but every time i reboot, it's alway 1600x1200, I'm using ATI proprietary driver.
[11:35] <CaNoc> how can I fix it?
[11:36] <Chicano> Hm I though koffice 2.2.1 *had* to be backports but it seems it isn't
[11:42] <Chicano> ok now I'm confused - I removed all "external" repo's (all entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* are commented out) but I *still* get the blocked updates
[11:42] <Misterio> Chicano: Try disabling backports
[11:44] <Chicano> Indeed, they're in the (non kubuntu-specific) backports
[11:45] <Chicano> aren't packages from there supposed to be at least upgradeable?
[11:46] <Misterio> Chicano: No, backports mean maverick's updates
[11:46] <Misterio> Chicano: There aren't old versions patched, there are new versions
[11:47] <Misterio> Chicano: Imagine; recommend updates install patches for firefox 3. Backports, instead, installs firefox 3.5 or 4
[11:48] <Chicano> yeah but it's a repository separate from ubuntu+1's repos right?
[11:48] <Misterio> Right
[11:50] <Chicano> then I would think they would upgrade the prereqs for any package in there as well
[11:53] <Chicano> it's a bit difficult to use a package that you can't install
[11:53] <Chicano> but ok, I guess it can't be helped for now then
[11:54] <Chicano> thanks for the help
[12:04] <Mamarok> Chicano: I have those packages installed, did you try installing by hand, eg. sudo apt-get install koffice?
[12:05] <Chicano> yeah I bluntly installed koffice
[12:05] <Mamarok> Chicano: and you can't get the 2.2. version?
[12:06] <Mamarok> Misterio: backporets doesn't mean Maverick updates on Lucid, that is nonesense
[12:06] <Mamarok> backports*
[12:06] <Mamarok> 2.2.1*
[12:06] <Chicano> I've currently got 2.2.0, but 2.2.1 remains blocked yeah
[12:07] <Mamarok> Chicano: and did you try changing the mirror server? Maybe switching to main could help
[12:07] <Mamarok> sometimes a mirror is not correctly updated
[12:07] <Mamarok> I use the main server and was able to update without problems
[12:08] <Chicano> I currently use main - local servers are sometimes terribly slow
[12:08] <Chicano> but I'll try switching to see what happens
[12:08] <Mamarok> hm, then it really should work
[12:08] <Misterio> Mamarok: sorry, was busy
[12:08] <Mamarok> Misterio: np
[12:08] <Misterio> Mamarok: Doesn't backport mean the next ubuntu's version updates?
[12:09] <Mamarok> Misterio: not necessarily
[12:09] <Mamarok> you certainly don't get everything that is in +1 in the backports
[12:09] <Chicano> still blocked
[12:10] <Chicano> interesting to see that a server (which is supposedly on one of the fastest networks in this country) which is less than 2 km away is still slower than the main server
[12:12] <Chicano> in case it helps, these packages are blocked: kpresenter, kspread, kword, koffice, kchart, karbon, krita, kplato, kexi, kthesaurus and koffice-libs
[12:14] <Mamarok> what about koffice-data?
[12:16] <Mamarok> Chicano: do you still have koreport installed from 2.2.0? Maybe removing that can help
[12:17] <Mamarok> as it is not needed in 2.2.1 anymore
[12:18] <Chicano> if i try to remove it aptitude tells me that koffice-libs and kplato are broken
[12:19] <Chicano> I guess i'll just accept the solution and see what happens
[12:21] <Chicano> Mamarok: I think you're right, the pkgmgt system was basically falling over the disappeared koreport package
[12:22] <Mamarok> Chicano: I remember it was removed when I updated
[12:23] <Mamarok> still, that would be a dependency problem in the 2.2. packages, it should just remove it
[12:23] <Mamarok> 2.2.1 (my 1 key is not working well, sorry)
[12:25] <Chicano> I honestly have no idea why it didn't
[12:27] <Mamarok> Chicano: don't worry, neither have I, it's just strange it worked for me but not for you
[12:28] <Chicano> ah well, it's upgraded now, thanks a bunch :)
[12:30] <Mamarok> Chicano: you are welcome :)
[13:29] <markit> hi, I would like to have a program that shows me the wifi hotspot available with a good indication of strenght of the signal. swscanner would be perfect but tells that can' get the list. any tip?
[13:30] <markit> (failed to read scan data)
[13:31] <markit> wifimanager plasmoid seems not to update data very well, so does not fit to my needs
[13:46] <cvmissiontech> cv.mission tec
[14:16] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[14:55] <cm> hola¿?
[14:55] <cm> esto funciona?
[14:56] <cm> hola?
[14:56] <cm> alguien me puede ayudar?
[14:56] <cm> no sé cómo va esto
[14:56] <Torch> !english | cm
[14:57] <cm> oh tanks
[15:07] <hellslinger> sigh... does anyone know how to disable emulate3buttons in 10.04? I cannot turn it off for the life of me,
[15:17] <James147> hellslinger: see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input
[16:12] <jimmy51_> is the kernel installed with 64 bit kubuntu 10.04 a "standard kernel" ?
[16:13] <slinker1> 2.6.32-24-generic on mine
[16:13] <slinker1> so i guess yes
[16:14] <slinker1> well standard 64 bit anyway
[16:16] <alelnro1> Hello everybody
[16:16] <alelnro1> Hey everybody
[16:17] <alelnro1> I am trying to install kubuntu 10.04 LTS
[16:17] <alelnro1> but I am getting a multicolor screen
[16:17] <James147> !hi | alelnro1
[16:17] <alelnro1> I really do not now what to do, can someone help me?
[16:18] <alelnro1> I tried by writting i915.modeset=1 but it does not work
[16:18] <hellslinger> alelnro1: what is the problem?
[16:18] <James147> alelnro1: multicolor screen? could you explain in abit more detail?
[16:18] <alelnro1> Yes, let me show you a pic of something exactly the same I found on internet...1 moment
[16:19] <alelnro1> I am getting this problem: http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/14588/p_inline.jpg
[16:19] <alelnro1> But I am using a desktop computer not a laptop
[16:19] <alelnro1> I have Quad Core, 2GB DDR3, GeForge 220 GT, Gigabyte 2
[16:19] <James147> alelnro1: what graphics card do you have?
[16:19] <James147> ..
[16:19] <James147> :)
[16:20] <hellslinger> oh wow, hahaha
[16:20] <hellslinger> so is it all vertical bars or is there anything recognizable on the screen?
[16:20] <alelnro1> So you see...isn't it a good computer??
[16:20] <alelnro1> Yes, all vertical bars
[16:20] <alelnro1> I am not able to read anything
[16:20] <tim> hi, is there a way to configure phonon to use jack as backend? currently it shows me only pulseaudio ...
[16:20] <alelnro1> Just like you see on that picture
[16:20] <hellslinger> does it successfully boot past the ubuntu splash screen?
[16:21] <James147> alelnro1: my guess would be  the  Nouveau drivers.....
[16:21] <alelnro1> it appears the screen to choose from the menu, like install, try without installing
[16:21] <hellslinger> tim: there is a way to use mplayer, but not jack, what are you trying to do?
[16:22] <alelnro1> So?? Any idea?? I mean
[16:22] <tim> hellslinger, it is as easy as playing from amarok via jack ...
[16:22] <alelnro1> I have to install some drivers in some way
[16:22] <hellslinger> alelnro1: are you able to ctrl + alt + F1 and get to a text login?
[16:23] <tim> hellslinger, since mplayer supports jack, how can i configure phonon to use mplayer as backend?
[16:23] <alelnro1> JamesI really do not know
[16:23] <alelnro1> I haven't try that
[16:23] <alelnro1> Hold on a minute please
[16:24] <hellslinger> tim: my apologies, there is a gstreamer backend for phonon rather than mplayer
[16:25] <hellslinger> however, it is not very stable in my experience... I guess I'm curious as to why one might want to use something other than xine... areyou experiencing trouble?
[16:25] <alelnro1> James147: I am getting another computer so that I can test and chat at the same time
[16:25] <hellslinger> tim: if so, we can probably help solve the pulse issue
[16:26] <James147> alelnro1: ping me when your ready
[16:26] <tim> hellslinger, well, the pulse devs weren't really able to help me :/
[16:26] <hellslinger> tim: what was the problem you were having?
[16:26] <hellslinger> tim: just no sound?
[16:27] <tim> hellslinger, pulseaudio causes the machine to hickup, if the breakout box of my audio interface is not connected
[16:27] <hellslinger> what kind of sound card
[16:28] <tim> hellslinger, rme hdsp ... http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_multiface_2.php
[16:28] <hellslinger> wow great card
[16:29] <tim> hellslinger, first portable multichannel card with good alsa support
[16:30] <hellslinger> why not bypass this card entirely and use integrated audio for system alerts and such...
[16:31] <tim> hellslinger, i don't want to listen to music with the shitty dac and the mini-jack connector of the onboard card, if i have high-quality converters with balanced jack outputs
[16:32] <hellslinger> tim: understandable, I use my Delta 1010 for that purpose a lot
[16:33] <tim> hellslinger, via phonon->pulseaudio->jack->alsa?
[16:33] <hellslinger> tim: a super nice low latency recording card like RME should probably avoid pulse as it is a high latency network based sound stuff
[16:34] <hellslinger> tim: how about redirecting the phonon config to just use the card via alsa instead of going through pulse?
[16:34] <tim> hellslinger, it depends on the use case ... playing some music is one use case, running ardour or supercollider another ...
[16:35] <tim> hellslinger, can i configure  phonon to directly use jack as backend?
[16:35] <hellslinger> tim: unfortunately no, jack cannot be used with phonon
[16:35] <tim> hellslinger, hm ...
[16:35] <hellslinger> tim: jack uses ALSA though and in a way is the same layer as pulseaudio
[16:35] <hellslinger> try this:
[16:36] <hellslinger> in the System Settings -> muiltimedia list
[16:36] <hellslinger> you should see a list of hardware and pulseaudio should be in that list
[16:37] <tim> hellslinger, system settings -> multimedia -> phonon shows me just pulseaudio :/
[16:37] <hellslinger> I would defer pulse audio in the entire audio output category
[16:37] <hellslinger> aha! that is a clue
[16:37] <tim> hellslinger, (i've checked the `show advanced devices' option)
[16:37] <hellslinger> wiat a second here, I see jack in my audio output list
[16:37] <hellslinger> (which I didn't think was possible before)
[16:39] <tim> hellslinger, great ... then we should get my machine to the state of yours ;)
[16:39] <hellslinger> that is interesting that you are unable to see your alsa devices
[16:40] <hellslinger> what happens when you click youir "Show advanced devices" checkbox?
[16:41] <alelnro12> Hey guys I am the same as alelnro1
[16:41] <tim> hellslinger, nothing ... i have checked it anyway
[16:41] <alelnro12> James147: What was the combination? alt +??
[16:41] <James147> alelnro12: alt + crtl + F1
[16:42] <James147> alelnro12: that should take you to a terminal
[16:42] <alelnro12> when do i put that?
[16:42] <James147> alelnro12: once it has fully booted
[16:42] <James147> alelnro12: ie once your screen goes funny :)
[16:42] <alelnro12> James 147: Right now I am in the menu screen
[16:43] <alelnro12> James 147: Oh okey
[16:43] <alelnro12> James 147: I pressed that but nothing happens
[16:44] <alelnro12> I mean..the colors changed
[16:44] <James147> alelnro12: and what happens if you press alt + print screen + k ?
[16:44] <alelnro12> James 147: wait I'll try to put the 1st option "try without installing it"
[16:45] <James147> alelnro12: opps, yeah you need to pick that option
[16:45] <alelnro12> James 147: nothing happens in both ways
[16:46] <alelnro12> James 147: I mean, the "bar codes" are still there
[16:46] <hellslinger> tim: is your card supported by alsa?
[16:46] <James147> alelnro12: even if you boot into the "try without instlling" mode?
[16:47] <alelnro12> James147: Yes, I am in that option
[16:47] <James147> alelnro12: hmm... could you try running the cd check?
[16:47] <hellslinger> tim: err, sorry are you able to access it through alsa?
[16:47] <hellslinger> tim: like, alsamixer and adjust inputs and oiutputs?
[16:48] <alelnro12> James147: Yes but I really don't think that the cd is the problem...
[16:48] <James147> alelnro12: just checking :)
[16:48] <alelnro12> OMG!
[16:48] <alelnro12> James147: The bars just appeared again!
[16:48] <tim> hellslinger, alsamixer is not the appropriate tool for it ... there is a dedicated hdspmixer application, shipped with alsa ... the card itself is working via alsa and via jack ...
[16:49] <tim> hellslinger, one interesting point, that may be interesting ... what version of phonon-backend-xine are you using?
[16:49] <hellslinger> 0.2.60
[16:50] <alelnro12> James147:  Maybe by changing some options? Some modes (F4) ?
[16:50] <James147> alelnro12: not sure that would help... sounds like a driver issue to me
[16:51] <alelnro12> James147: Yes for me also, but I don't know how to install it!
[16:51] <James147> alelnro12: need to get to a terminal :S
[16:51] <alelnro12> James147: Yes...but how?!
[16:52] <James147> alelnro12: thats what I am not sure about :)
[16:52] <alelnro12> James147: Maybe at the computer boot screen?
[16:52] <alelnro12> James147: I enter the CD and install the nVidia drivers?
[16:52] <hellslinger> alelnro12: if you can't get the system to boot up into even a simple VGA mode, there might be a greater problem affecting you
[16:53] <tim> hellslinger, hm ... i am running phonon from the kubuntu beta ppa ... 4:4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1
[16:53] <James147> hellslinger: how do you boot the live cd into vga mode?
[16:53] <alelnro12> hellslinger: The thing is that it is entering, but the this stripes are blocking my sight
[16:54] <alelnro12> My screen goes like this: http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/14588/p_inline.jpg
[16:55] <alelnro12> So guys, no idea :S?
[16:55] <hellslinger> tim: I used to use gentoo, for years actually, part of the reason I switched to ubuntu was to go the "stable" route...
[16:55] <hellslinger> alelnro12: I'm checking to see what the init=3 boot equivalent for the live cd is
[16:56] <alelnro12> hellslinger: Ok
[16:56] <tim> hellslinger, me too ... but sometimes i cannot resist ;)
[16:57] <hellslinger> tim: yeah.. however I'm still puzzled as to why your devices aren't showing up in the list
[16:57] <hellslinger> that should happen anyway
[16:58] <tim> hellslinger, i guess, i should go to the phonon channel ...
[16:58] <tim> they will now some of the internals ;)
[16:59] <hellslinger> tim: yeah... sounds to me like this could be alsa related though
[16:59] <hellslinger> alelnro12: I assume you tried safe graphics mode (F4)?
[17:00] <alelnro12> When¡
[17:00]  * James147 dosent see that option here :(
[17:01] <alelnro12> hellslinger: When do I F4? F4 appears to me as modes
[17:01]  * James147 shouldent be using the 10.10 alhpa cd :p
[17:02] <alelnro12> And I have these options: Normal, Use driver update disc and OEM install (for manufacturers)
[17:02] <hellslinger> alelnro12: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Changing the Boot Option Configuration Line
[17:02] <hellslinger> FFS
[17:02] <hellslinger> hahaha bad URL
[17:03] <alelnro12> hmm?
[17:03] <hellslinger> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mainboot.png
[17:03] <hellslinger> are you getting a boot menu like this?
[17:03] <alelnro12> Kind of, I am using kubuntu anyway
[17:03] <alelnro12> But I do not get safe graphics mode
[17:03] <alelnro12> I just get those options I just told you
[17:04] <hellslinger> oh I see
[17:04] <hellslinger> yeah sorry... I've been up all night
[17:04] <hellslinger> haha
[17:05] <hellslinger> so does it only do this on 10.10?
[17:05] <hellslinger> does it work ok on a previous version of ubuntu/kubuntu?
[17:05] <alelnro12> yes
[17:05] <James147> hellslinger: alelnro12 is using 10.04
[17:05] <alelnro12> but i am working on 10.04
[17:05] <hellslinger> oh I thought that was a different comp
[17:07] <alelnro12> OH YES!!!
[17:07] <alelnro12> It's starting!
[17:07] <alelnro12> I wrote vga=771 and it worked :D!
[17:07] <alelnro12> Now let's see if it does not get stucked
[17:08] <alelnro12> Okey, I am in the console
[17:08] <alelnro12> It just disappeared
[17:08] <alelnro12> And started the graphic mode :D
[17:09] <hellslinger> oh man, I hate that...
[17:09] <hellslinger> 10.04 did that when I was having trouble with graphics too
[17:09] <hellslinger> err xorg.conf trouble that is
[17:09] <alelnro12> So the solution for everybody is vga=771
[17:09] <hellslinger> hahah
[17:09] <hellslinger> t would be nice to get some dmesg output or some Xorg.0.log output
[17:10] <hellslinger> to see what is going on
[17:10] <alelnro12> Yes hehe..I think canonical should repair this ASAP
[17:10] <alelnro12> Now, does kubuntu work fast?
[17:11] <hellslinger> alelnro12: lsmod and see if nvidia is running
[17:11] <James147> alelnro12: depends what you mean by fast :) i find it faster then windws 7 but slower then gnome :)
[17:11] <alelnro12> James147: So you would stay with ubuntu..
[17:11] <hellslinger> nah!
[17:11] <alelnro12> hellslinger: I am going to install it, I don't have the menu option
[17:11] <James147> alelnro12: hell no, love kde way much more then gnome and can live with it being slightly slower :D
[17:12] <slinker1> agreed gnome always ends up ii$$ing me off
[17:12] <hellslinger> alelnro12: there are ways to get it running faster
[17:12] <hellslinger> for instance:
[17:13] <alelnro12> hey guys I just pressed Alt  + Ctrl + F1 and I don't know how to return to the kde
[17:14] <James147> alelnro12: alt+ctrl+f7
[17:14] <James147> or 8 or 9...
[17:14] <hellslinger> alelnro12: if you are using oxygen, go to System Settings -> Appearance -> Style -> Fine Tuning
[17:14] <hellslinger> set to "Low Display resolution and low CPU"
[17:14] <hellslinger> improve the snappiness for me a lot
[17:15] <James147> soudnt really have anyproblems with preformance >> <alelnro1> I have Quad Core, 2GB DDR3, GeForge 220 GT, Gigabyte 2
[17:15] <hellslinger> I didn't have problems.. but it just made it more responsive
[17:15]  * James147 goes se see what options he has there
[17:15] <hellslinger> alelnro12: are you using OpenGL compositing?
[17:15] <alelnro12> heheh I should have that
[17:15] <alelnro12> How do I know that?
[17:16] <hellslinger> System Settings -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects
[17:16] <hellslinger> you'll see a big green check mark
[17:16] <alelnro12> Oh wait, I am installing it
[17:16] <hellslinger> only works if you have nvidia driver loading
[17:16] <hellslinger> err loaded
[17:16] <hellslinger> requires hardware opengl
[17:17] <alelnro12> All right, so when the installation finishes loading, I will check all the things you told me
[17:17] <alelnro12> alelnro12 is hapier :)
[17:17] <hellslinger> sorry, might be overload
[17:17] <hellslinger> I've spent a lot of time tweaking those settings on my Core 2 + 9800 GTX
[17:17] <alelnro12> That's a nice pc
[17:17] <hellslinger> it's fast either way, but I want it to be really really snappy!
[17:17] <hellslinger> haha
[17:18] <hellslinger> I ahve windows 7 and mac os 10.6 on this thing, and I want linux to be faster than both
[17:18]  * alelnro12 is happier
[17:19] <alelnro12> Anyway...the installer is going reaaally slow :S
[17:19] <alelnro12> Why can that be?
[17:19] <hellslinger> yeah, CD boot
[17:20] <alelnro12> I am already in the installation process
[17:20] <hellslinger> oh very good
[17:20] <hellslinger> yeah, your HDs are probably under load
[17:20] <hellslinger> I'd just wait till its done and do all that stuff afterward
[17:20] <alelnro12> ok
[17:20] <hellslinger> livecd install was slow for me too
[17:20] <alelnro12> I just changed the language
[17:20] <hellslinger> what quad core do you have alelnro12?
[17:21] <alelnro12> I am not in live cd...that the problem
[17:22] <alelnro12> hellslinger: Intel Core2 Quad Q8400
[17:22] <hellslinger> GTX 220?
[17:22] <alelnro12> No, GT 220
[17:23] <hellslinger> checking benchmarks on that thing, do you game on it?
[17:24] <alelnro12> not much..
[17:24] <alelnro12> do you know counter strike?
[17:24] <hellslinger> yep :)
[17:24] <hellslinger> used to play CS:S a lot
[17:25] <alelnro12> The same...welll it gets stacked
[17:25] <hellslinger> stacked?
[17:25] <hellslinger> like, too much for that card to handle!
[17:25] <hellslinger> ?
[17:26] <alelnro12> yes....isn't it an excellent card
[17:26] <hellslinger> eek....
[17:27] <alelnro12> hmmm?
[17:28] <hellslinger> getting maxed out on CS:S... I'll stick with my 9800 GTX
[17:28] <hellslinger> older card, but probably a bit faster
[17:28] <hellslinger> hopefully opengl compositing will do OK on it
[17:28] <hellslinger> I think it will
[17:29] <hellslinger> but... may not be outstanding
[17:29] <hellslinger> either way, there are things you can do to get good snappy performance
[17:29] <hellslinger> I run KDE 4 on my 4 year old laptop that has a 6150
[17:29] <hellslinger> after some tweaking, it runs great
[17:29] <alelnro12> Ok, so it should fly with a 220
[17:30] <hellslinger> yeah
[17:31] <alelnro12> hellslinger: do you know dealextreme?
[17:31] <hellslinger> no, what is it?
[17:32] <hellslinger> deal website, I assume
[17:32] <alelnro12> its a chinese website to buy things
[17:32] <alelnro12> yes
[17:32] <alelnro12> where do you buy things
[17:33] <hellslinger> new egg, it has been almost 3 years since I've gotten anything
[17:33] <alelnro12> Do they ship internationally?
[17:33] <hellslinger> not sure, I imagine they do, they're big
[17:34] <hellslinger> they're customer service is excellent
[17:34] <alelnro12> Oh okey, but they do not have "illegal" things such as dealextreme :P
[17:34] <hellslinger> hahaha
[17:34] <hellslinger> probably not :)
[17:34] <James147> might want to take this to  #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[17:34] <alelnro12> No it's ok
[17:34] <alelnro12> I just wanted to know that
[17:35] <alelnro12> So..my kubuntu is right now being installed
[17:35] <hellslinger> The "present windows" effect for desktop compositing is the real test
[17:35] <hellslinger> I use it all the time
[17:35] <hellslinger> it's the Mac OS "expose" feeature
[17:37] <alelnro12> So do you also have a Mac?
[17:39] <hellslinger> have an old G4 and hackintosh running on this PC
[17:39] <alelnro12> Because I want to install a mac os, I never tried one
[17:39] <hellslinger> I think KDE was inspired by mac os considerably, however, I do think they improved on many things
[17:40] <hellslinger> best of all worlds is my opinion on it
[17:40] <alelnro12> okey, i am about to run it so i'll comment you later
[17:40] <hellslinger> good luck, sir
[17:41] <alelnro12> Thanks!
[18:20] <crooks3o6> Which drivers should be used for the Prism 2.5 chipset?  Seems as though the Orinoco_pci kernel drivers are default but I only have partial functionality.
[18:53] <alelnro12> Hey guys
[19:01] <marcus> hello guys i just install kubuntu 10 lts on my laptop but it keeps turning off can someboy help me to fix this please???
[19:14] <crooks3o6> marcus: Do you get any error messages or anything?  Check the log files maybe.
[19:23] <Soyburg> question about kubuntu 10.04 task bar:  how can i change icons for programs i dragged into the task bar?
[19:25] <aguitel_> how configure keyboard layout in kde 4?
[19:30] <Freddy2> hi
[19:31] <James147> aguitel_: sydtem settings > locale  or System settings > mouse and keyboard  > keyboard
[19:33] <James147> Soyburg: I think they share the same icons as the entries in the menu (to edit the menu right click the menu icon > edit menu or run kmenueditor)
[19:34] <Soyburg> Thanks James147!  So if my program isn't in the menu (because I dragged it from /usr/local/bin) I just have to create a menu entry for it and assign an icon, then drag it to the panel?  Thanks again, that helped a lot!
[19:36] <Soyburg> Yes it works!  Wohooo!
[19:36] <James147> Soyburg: then it would be best to either create a menu item or just a .desktop file somewhere (basically what creating a menu item would do)
[19:44] <dany_> hi guys
[19:44] <dany_> can you tell me the shortcut for changing the desktop
[19:44] <dany_> I mean, to switch to another desktop
[19:45] <James147> dany_: ctrl + F1-X
[19:46] <dany_> uhm
[19:46] <dany_> James147: another way?
[19:46] <dany_> with the arrows for example
[19:47] <Soyburg> I think James147 means that you need to use F1 or F2 to get to desktop 1 or desktop 2
[19:47] <dany_> Soyburg: yes
[19:47] <dany_> I got it
[19:47] <Soyburg> (I tried CTRL + F1 + X, hehe)
[19:47] <James147> Soyburg: yes :)  and dany_: you can change the shortcut kets in system settings > keyboard & mouse > global keyboard shortcuts
[19:48] <dany_> ctrl + F1 or ctrl + F2
[19:48] <dany_> James147: thx
[19:49] <James147> dany_: if you want to use the arrow keys a good shortcut to set is the "Switch to next desktop" under the "KWin" component
[19:50] <dany_> James147: is not set for default, right?
[19:50] <James147> dany_: (and obviously "Switch to Previous Desktop"  :)  )
[19:50] <James147> dany_: dont have one set here and dont know of a default
[19:50] <James147> dany_: its not hard to change it though :)
[19:50] <dany_> kk
[19:50] <dany_> thank you :)
[19:52] <jimmy51_> has anyone here used amazon.com's MP3 album download?
[19:53] <jimmy51_> i can buy a CD i want in MP3 format for 9 bucks, which is fine with me.  i just don't want some restriction saying i can only use it on this machine.
[19:53] <jimmy51_> it says it supports ubuntu (i assume kubuntu too)
[19:54] <James147> jimmy51_: can't say for sure, but I think amazon dosn't do DRM on their mp3...  hell itunes now dont have DRM on their stuff :)
[19:54] <jimmy51_> James147: ok. i'll give it a try.  i have to download and install their *.deb MP3 downloader app.
[19:55] <jimmy51_> crap.  it says wrong arch.  it must be 32 bit only.
[19:55] <Soyburg> jimmy51_: I tried it a year ago and they have no drm.
[19:55] <James147> jimmy51_: you can run 32 bit on 64... need... um ia32lib or somehting
[19:55]  * James147 wonders why you need extra software to download mp3s
[19:56]  * James147 wonders if amarok can do it through amazon...
[19:58] <Soyburg> Anyone know how to make the icons in the task bar grow continuously while enlarging the size of the task bar?  Mine grow up to a point and then snap back to half size.
[19:58]  * James147 cant find a way for amarok to do it :(
[19:59] <jimmy51_> James147: me neither.
[19:59] <James147> Soyburg: can see the same here... although it needs to be quite large for it to happen :S
[20:00] <Soyburg> I have a large screen :)
[20:01] <James147> Soyburg: you could try using the quicklaunder widget...
[20:02] <Soyburg> James147: I thought about a replacement, but at the end of the day... I guess I'll stick with the micro icons
[20:03] <James147> Soyburg: the quicklaunch widget is preinstalled on kubuntu... its just ap matter of draggin it to the task bar :)
[20:03] <Soyburg> That sounds good James147.  I'll try that.
[20:04] <James147> Soyburg: yeah, it works, but you need to force it into 1 row through its settings
[20:05] <lor> does Kubuntu take a lot more ram compared to Ubuntu?
[20:07] <James147> lor: wouldnt have thourght it would take that much more if it did... if limited ram is a consern then you might want to try xubuntu
[20:07] <lor> James147, I have 2GB
[20:07] <Soyburg> James147: what does the icon for the quicklauch look like?  Is it a rocket by any chance?  I am on German Kubuntu here, so the names are slightly different.
[20:08] <James147> lor: 2 gig is fine :) i have run it off a 512 comp before
[20:08] <lor> great!
[20:08] <James147> Soyburg: yes
[20:08] <James147> lor: hell, i think i ran kde 4.0 off a 256 with a pentium 2or 3 :D was a little slow
[20:09] <lor> lol :D
[20:09] <lvh> hey
[20:09] <lvh> im currently running ubuntu lucid
[20:10] <lvh> and I want to try out kubuntu without getting rid of my current stuff
[20:10] <jimmy51_> James147: dang.  i guess i'll have to do it in a windows VM
[20:10] <lvh> do i just install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:10] <Soyburg> James147: I can't force it into one row (there doesn't seem to be a setting for that), but I was able to change the icon size, so they show up large.  I just don't get how the icons are to be changed.
[20:10] <James147> lvh: yes, you just need to install kubuntu-desktop
[20:10] <Soyburg> James147: ignore my previous comment. Found it.
[20:10] <lvh> James147: Okay, thanks! :-)
[20:11] <James147> Soyburg:  :D
[20:11] <lvh> http://www.flickr.com/photos/freeflying/4036438792/in/set-72157622515083587/
[20:11] <James147> Soyburg:  might need to set the row count to 1 first :)
[20:11] <lvh> That looks like a hell of a lot bigger a screen than a netbook.
[20:11] <lvh> Is the resolution very low, or something?
[20:11] <lvh> I'm interested in trying if these new small-screen GUIs also work for big screens.
[20:11]  * James147 waits for image to load... dont know whats up with his connection atm
[20:11] <Soyburg> James147: I am afraid there is no row count.  Just an icon size slider.
[20:11] <lvh> I'm guessing the thing that will make me angry is terrible multihead.
[20:12] <lvh> my dev box has 3x24" now
[20:13] <James147> lvh: that look like the netbook version of a larger screen... netbooks are probally ment to be 1/2 the size of that or smaller
[20:13] <lvh> James147: Yes, that's what it looks like to me too.
[20:14] <lvh> But I find the ideas presented in netbook gui's pretty attractive; I don't understand why they are exclusive to netbook guis
[20:14] <lvh> I understand why netbook guis want them (no room for the big thing), though
[20:14] <James147> lvh: but I ask, why would you want to try the netbook on 3x24" screens... as much as I love it.... i only use it on my netbook as it dosent work as well (as one would think) on larger screens
[20:14] <lvh> I guess I could just TIAS. Will installing kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-netbook hose anything?
[20:14] <lvh> James147: ah, alas
[20:14] <lvh> James147: I use a tiling wm now anyway
[20:15] <lvh> but I keep trying the new traditional gui stuff, under the assumption that they might have come up with something better :-)
[20:15] <James147> lvh: kde 4.5 has a window tilling mode now :D ... although they dont have very good multihead support yet
[20:15] <lvh> James147: Cool :-)
[20:15] <maco> lvh: no it wont hose anything. its the default in 10.10
[20:16] <lvh> I've seen some people use compiz as an el cheapo tiling wm
[20:16] <lvh> maco: I meant "at the same time". Is that what you meant too?
[20:16] <maco> you choose which you want using systemsettings -> workspace
[20:16] <James147> lvh: btw, if you install kubuntu-desktp and kubuntu-netbook... you can have the search and launch interface on plasma-desktop
[20:16] <lvh> maco: Okay, cool! Thanks.
[20:16] <lvh> James147: this sounds like an interesting prospect, I'll try it out
[20:16] <maco> lvh: 4.5's tiling doesnt work the same as xmonad's, if thats what youre used to
[20:16] <lvh> I've got a 13" ultraportable
[20:16] <lvh> maco: stumpwm
[20:17] <lvh> maco: it's like emacs but for windows that arent emacs windows
[20:17] <maco> im waiting for a 11.6" kubuntu netbook remix netbook to show up
[20:17]  * maco is a vim user
[20:17] <lvh> maco: ah. Well, it's different :)
[20:18] <lvh> emacs does not appear to have a Qt thing :(
[20:18] <Soyburg> have a nice day and thanks for the help James147
[20:25] <djustice> weird question: i have a dir. i need to make a .img (ext4) of it. how?
[20:33] <James147> djustice: not sure if this is the best way... but: dd if=/dev/zero of=~/test.img; mkfs.ext4 ~/text.img; sudo mount ~/test.img /mnt -o loop    then copy the files to /mnt worked for me :S
[20:45] <jimmy51_> James147: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9145072&postcount=17  <- got it
[20:46] <jimmy51_> James147: just downloaded the inception OST and a CD i bought back in highschool, scratched, and never found again
[20:46] <jimmy51_> kubuntu wins again
[20:46] <jimmy51_> (after a little convincing)
[20:47] <James147> jimmy51_: :D
[21:21] <JuJuBee__> I can't seem to get my iPod Nano 16G (new) to sync with Amarok/Banshee/Rhythmbox Any help?
[21:26] <hellslinger> JuJuBee__: have you tried GTKpod?
[21:29] <hellslinger> they all use libgpod, I believe, so if it isn't supported in amarok and others, it probably wont' work elsewhere
[21:29] <hellslinger> might be too new and isn't supported yet
[21:32] <winmutt> im trying to get a dual headed radeon and my onbooard vid card to give me three displays, i can get either to work but not both
[21:34] <glaucous> What's the location of the files used by the file indexer (Nepomuk)? I'd like to change the location either by linking file or change file location with any config file.
[21:51] <James147> glaucous: look at ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk
[21:52] <JuJuBee__> hellslinger: no, I have not.  I will install it and try it
[21:54] <dlp> Do we have any IMAP gurus here?
[21:54] <glaucous> James147, thanks, that's correct :)
[21:55] <dlp> Is it possible to read/write to IMAP directories as if they're FTP?
[21:55] <dlp> e.g. to falsify header data, etc?
[21:56] <dlp> The real question is: is it possible to edit files... either directly or by replacement?
[21:58] <glaucous> What's the command for using KDE to kill an application/process?
[21:59] <dlp> kill
[21:59] <glaucous> There's like a kdequit command or something, but I guess I can use kill as well
[21:59] <James147> glaucous: although that dosent use kde :) ^^
[21:59] <James147> glaucous: kquitapp
[21:59] <glaucous> James147, ah, thanks, that's the one
[22:00] <dlp> pgrep <process_name> | xargs kill
[22:00] <James147> dlp: killall <process_name>  is quicker to type :)
[22:00] <dlp> or, actually, just killall <... yeah
[22:00] <hellslinger> pkill
[22:00] <hellslinger> hehe
[22:00] <hellslinger> so many ways to kill processes
[22:01] <glaucous> Okay killall works the best
[22:01] <glaucous> in this scenario
[22:01] <dlp> man pkill
[22:02] <James147> dlp: had the same plan :D
[22:02] <dlp> It basically does the same thing.
[22:02] <James147> yeah
[22:03] <dlp> Except it takes a pattern rather than a name.
[22:03] <dlp> Which killall will do anyway with the -r option.
[22:05] <dlp> Well anyway... does anyone know the answer to my IMAP question?
[22:05] <dlp> This is important.
[22:05] <dlp> I need to know if I can use an email in evidence.
[22:06] <dlp> And its timestamps.
[22:06] <dlp> And content.
[22:06] <dlp> (but on a server that I don't have root access to)
[22:06] <James147> dlp: you might want to consider asking in #ubuntu there are usually alot more people in there
[22:07] <dlp> But I obviously do have access to the mailbox.
[22:07] <dlp> Yeah, I suppose that would make sense.
[22:08] <dlp> I realy don't understand why GNOME is so more widespread than KDE.
[22:09] <James147> dlp: i think it was adopted eariler on when qt had some licening issues
[22:09] <James147> dlp: but the issues where sorted out... and people dont like change
[22:10] <dlp> that's true.
[22:10] <dlp> But things are changing whether people like it or not.
[22:11] <dlp> I mean, most people use Windows.
[22:11] <dlp> And that changes a lot.
[22:11] <James147> dlp: atm alot of people still consider kde4.x to be to unstable/incomplete :( i mean its still missing networking, printer config, samba config
[22:11] <dlp> Has kinda gone a similar way to KDE, actually.
[22:11] <dlp> Yes, I know.
[22:12] <James147> dlp: ah, windows dosent change alot... and look at the changes they made... most poeple hated them at first
[22:12] <dlp> Lots still do.
[22:12] <James147> dlp: so see, people don't like change :(
[22:12] <dlp> I'm supposed to be doing some work on the KDE networkmanagement, actually.
[22:13] <dlp> I got as far as building an environment.
[22:13] <James147> dlp: then do you know the current state of the widget?
[22:13] <dlp> Which didn't work too well. I can hack around the issues (but risk breaking my system in the process) :-S
[22:13] <dlp> Pretty much.
[22:13] <dlp> i.e. I've tried to use it.
[22:14] <alonso> anyone can help me
[22:14] <James147> !help | alonso
[22:14] <alonso> my device is not getting mounted
[22:14] <James147> alonso: define: "my device"
[22:14] <alonso> altough they have a /dev node
[22:14] <alonso> usb stick
[22:14] <alonso> cdrom
[22:15] <alonso> sometime its doesn't mount but theres /dev/sr0
[22:15] <alonso> sometime theres no /dev/sr0 node
[22:15] <James147> alonso: kubuntu dosent auto mount things (for some reason... well at least not on first plug in) check the device norifier (should be on your panel)
[22:16] <alonso> no devices
[22:16] <alonso> my usb is there
[22:16] <James147> alonso: can you manually mount them?
[22:16] <alonso> formated as fat32
[22:16] <alonso> yes
[22:16] <alonso> its /dev/sdb
[22:16] <James147> alonso: your usb stick is listed in the device notifier?
[22:16] <alonso> and i can format it using gparted
[22:16] <alonso> no
[22:17] <alonso> oh unchecked automont
[22:17] <alonso> thats it
[22:17] <alonso> but what about my cdrom
[22:18] <alonso> /dev/sr0 node sometime isnt there
[22:18] <James147> alonso: when a _non_ blank cd is in the drive?
[22:19] <alonso> yeah
[22:19] <alonso> well i dont remember
[22:19] <alonso> right now is there
[22:19] <alonso> but i rember not seeing it
[22:19] <James147> alonso: :S not sure why they arent in /dev then... possible lose cable/faulty hardware?
[22:20] <DrNitro> hello there
[22:20] <alonso> right now is there
[22:20] <alonso> probably i didnt cd
[22:20] <alonso> i expected /dev/sr0 to be all the time there
[22:21] <alonso> ok its ther
[22:21] <alonso> but i still dont get my cd detected
[22:22] <James147> alonso: is the cd blank?
[22:22] <alonso> no
[22:22] <alonso> ok it got detected
[22:22] <alonso> that box ...
[22:23] <alonso> checbox ... arghh
[22:23] <alonso> my slow drive
[22:23] <alonso> ok thanks
[22:23] <James147> :S
[22:24]  * James147 isn't sure what he did there
[22:24]  * dlp isn't, either
[22:43] <urgyen> darn it..
[22:43] <urgyen> :-)
[22:43] <urgyen> I'm still dead in the water re flash
[22:43] <urgyen> what did I do?
[22:43] <James147> ??
[22:43] <urgyen> unstall something I shouldn't have?
[22:44] <urgyen> kubuntu 10.04
[22:44] <James147> urgyen: you might want to describe the problem you are facing
[22:44] <urgyen> all browsers report missing plugin no matter how many times I install and uninstall
[22:44] <urgyen> or how I try to install
[22:44] <James147> urgyen: what are you insatlling?
[22:44] <urgyen> is there a troubleshoot walk through?
[22:44] <James147> urgyen: and how?
[22:45] <urgyen> I was just trying to do classic package support
[22:45] <urgyen> nothing fancy
[22:45] <urgyen> I like Chrome
[22:45] <James147> urgyen: flashplugin-installer? works `fine` here
[22:45] <urgyen> ya, I'll try to install again and follow logs
[22:47] <James147> urgyen: try "sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-installer flashplugin-nonfree; sudo aptitude install flashplugin-installer"
[22:47] <urgyen> thanks
[22:51] <JuJuBee__> hellslinger: I installed gtkpod and when I try to run it I select my iPod model and gtkpod shuts down...?
[22:52] <glaucous> Whats the application called which shows up when you click Alt+F2? I'd like to change the key combination
[22:52] <James147> glaucous: krunner
[22:53] <James147> glaucous: you might want to change it in the global keyboard shotcuts settings (rather then in the kmenu)
[22:54] <James147> glaucous: the shortcut is listed as "Run command" under "Run Command Interface"
[22:54] <glaucous> James147, ah thank you! Was just about to ask where I find the shortcut :)
[22:55] <urgyen> adobe-flashplugin_10.1.53.64.orig.tar.gz
[22:55] <urgyen> Flash Plugin installed.
[22:55] <urgyen> and.. still no go :-)
[22:56] <urgyen> is there a directory I need to manually move some file to?
[22:56] <urgyen> no in konqueror firefox and chrome
[23:25] <dlp> Well...
[23:25] <jcgs> hi, does anyone know how to get multiuser screen? i can't figure out how to get aclchg to do what i want
[23:25] <dlp> You can forge header information on an IMAP server.
[23:26] <dlp> This is slightly inconvenient.
[23:26] <dlp> I've had a bad day.
[23:27] <James147> sorry dlp... don't know much about IMAP server :( and i guess there arn't many here that do
[23:27] <dlp> Well, I do.. now.
[23:27] <dlp> I know what I needed to know, anyway.
[23:27] <James147> jcgs: multiuser screen? do you mean remote desktops? or multiuser sessions (logins)?
[23:28] <James147> dlp: ahh, sorry, thourhg tyou where asking again... glad you got an answer even if it wasent the one you wanted :(
[23:28] <jcgs> James147: neither, the program called screen - running in multiuser mode
[23:28] <dlp> RFC3501
[23:29] <dlp> Of course it'd have saved me about an hour of reading if someone had known ;)
[23:30] <jcgs> James147: probably "get" should have read "use"
[23:30] <dlp> As would have the experiment I used (copy a message from one IMAP server to another, see if datestamps remain intact).
[23:30] <dlp> Which they do.
[23:30] <jcgs> James147: or "work"
[23:30] <James147> jcgs: http://aperiodic.net/screen/multiuser  that might help
[23:30] <dlp> I guess it's fairly typical of mail servers to believe what they're told.
[23:36] <jcgs> James147: most of that site is just the manual page installed on my system - which i've already read, and the examples on there, which are new, don't seem to work. am i doing something wrong?
[23:37] <James147> jcgs: sorry, that is am much as I know about multiuser screen :) didn't even know it was possible
[23:42] <jcgs> James147: thanks a lot anyway,
[23:43] <anon_> yo guys
[23:43] <anon_> how do i found my sound options? like, where i can turn it up and off?
[23:43] <anon_> i've managed to delete my panel..
[23:44] <jcgs> anon_: there should be a loudspeaker icon in the system tray, you can change the volume there
[23:44] <anon_> Yeah.. i've managed to get that tray away.. Don't ask me how
[23:44] <anon_> Any idea how i can get it back?
[23:45] <jcgs> anon_: if you click on the funny symbol at the far right hand side of the taskbar, it looks a bit like half a yin-yang
[23:46] <anon_> Yeah
[23:46] <jcgs> anon_: choose add widget
[23:46] <jcgs> anon_: sorry "add widgets"
[23:46] <anon_> okay
[23:47] <anon_> and from there?
[23:47] <jcgs> anon_: there in alphabetical order, so you might need to scroll a while before you get to "system tray"
[23:47] <anon_> oh
[23:47] <anon_> okay
[23:47] <anon_> Thanks alot
[23:48] <anon_> and how can i
[23:48] <jcgs> anon_: no problem
[23:48] <James147> anon_: also if you removed your entire panel right click on the desktop > add panel
[23:48] <anon_> put the tray beside the ying yang symbol?
[23:48] <jcgs> anon_: wherever you like, i think the default is to the left of the clock
[23:49] <James147> anon_: you can drag widget around the panel when you have the panel settings window open (right click the panel > [panel options >] panel settings)
[23:50] <anon_> Okay thanks guys, now one last problem
[23:50] <anon_> I've somehow.. managed to disable when i open a window, it does not show up in the panel
[23:50] <James147> anon_: one window or all?
[23:50] <anon_> All
[23:50] <jcgs> anon_; that's the task manager widget
[23:50] <James147> anon_: ^^ yeah you probally removed the task manager widget
[23:51] <anon_> Ohh D: Thanks, i just switched over from windows so.. >_<
[23:51] <anon_> Wait wait, ONE last questioonnnnn
[23:51] <anon_> The tray isn't beside the clock
[23:51] <anon_> How do i move it there?
[23:51] <anon_> It's beside the quickAccess browser
[23:51] <James147> anon_: the kde desktop is very nicly designed... everything on the desktop/panel is a widget, so anything can be move to anywhere, or removed entirly :)
[23:52] <jcgs> anon_: click on the plasma symbol (yin-yang like thing) and then you should be able to drag it around - the cursor will change to like a dot with four arrows
[23:52] <James147> anon_: to move widget on the panel you need to open the panel settigns and drag the widget where you want it  (with the settings window open)
[23:54] <anon_> I love you all
[23:54] <anon_> <3