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MTecknologyThis may or may not be a bug in Launchpad.. I had some branches that were stacked against the development focus. When the name of the project changed, the branch that it was stacked against wasn't updated. So so I'm unable to pull the branch at all..00:31
MTecknologykiko: how've you been?00:32
wgrantIt's arguably a bug.00:32
wgrantYou can go in with hitchhiker or an sftp client and change the stacked-on name.00:32
MTecknologywgrant: how does an individual do that?00:34
wgrantMTecknology: sudo apt-get install hitchhiker00:35
wgranthitchhiker lp:~path/to/branch00:36
wgrantedit .bzr/branch/branch.conf00:36
wgrant<change stacked_on_location>00:36
MTecknologywgrant: .... woah00:38
wgrantHm?00:38
MTecknologywgrant: weird00:38
MTecknologywgrant: thanks :)00:39
wgrantWeird, but effective.00:39
MTecknologywhat does hitchhiker do?00:39
MTecknologyoh...00:39
MTecknologyAccess locations using Bazaar transports00:39
wgrantYep.00:41
wgrantYou could do the same thing with an sftp client, I guess.00:41
MTecknologyfirefox is my sftp client00:42
MTecknologyeither that or scp is the next closest :P00:42
mwhudsonlftp is an actually usable sftp client00:42
mwhudsonunlike, say, the command line program called 'sftp'00:42
wgrantRight.00:43
wgrantBut hitchhiker is even easier.00:43
mwhudsonyeah00:44
mtaylorhitchhiker ftw00:45
mtaylorwgrant: however, I had no idea I could changed stacked on location so easily... will remember that for next time I royally screw things up00:45
mwhudsoni guess i'm biased towards lftp a bit because i spent ages making launchpad's sftp server work ok with a range of clients :-)00:45
* mtaylor likes hitchhiker because it understands lp: aliases00:46
wgrantmtaylor: You can probably do the same thing through bzrlib, but this seems simpler.00:46
wgrantAnd I know it works.00:46
mtayloryeah. I'm all for simple and works00:47
thumperMTecknology: bug 37751901:46
ubot5Launchpad bug 377519 in Launchpad Bazaar Integration "Stacked on location breaks if the stacked upon branch is renamed (affected: 4, heat: 17)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37751901:46
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lfaraoneIs there a tool like "bts" for launchpad?02:58
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wgrantlfaraone: No. But someone could write one using launchpadlib.03:00
lfaraonewgrant: you'd advise against writing one using mail and gpg? (which was my first idea)03:00
wgrantlfaraone: Well, you could do that, I guess.03:00
wgrantThat would work offline, but that's the only benefit I can see.03:01
lfaraonewgrant: but launchpadlib would be easier, you're right :)03:01
thumperwhat is BTS?03:01
yofelbug tracking system03:01
* thumper shakes his head03:01
lfaraonethumper: part of devscripts, it interacts with the Debian BTS, which, as yofel said, is the bug tracking system.03:01
thumperlfaraone: and here I was just thinking "well LP is a bug tracking system"03:02
lfaraonethumper: I can say `bts retitle 544651 "I've fallen and I can't get up!"` and it'll send mail to the tracker taking that action.03:02
thumpercool03:03
micahglfaraone: Debian BTS is a lot more open than LP is due to its prominence03:03
thumperas wgrant said, launchpadlib would be good for that03:03
lfaraonemicahg: Debian BTS's way of operating benefits from being obtuse enough to ward off most uninteresting bug reports, you know, the ones from actual, like, users.03:03
micahglfaraone: exactly :_)03:04
lfaraonealthough I have to say I really like the BTS's email interface.03:04
wgrantlfaraone: Well, the discussion on debian-devel over the last couple of days portrays that as a feature.03:04
wgrant(that users can't really file bugs)03:04
spmreally?03:05
yofelI do consider that as a feature too03:06
lfaraonewgrant: which, "How to make Debian more attractive..."? I just read through the entire thread and didn't see it.03:25
wgrantlfaraone: Neil Williams' message from 16 or so hours ago, and a couple of replies slightly later.03:27
lfaraonewgrant: "If users don't do that, there can hardly be complaints if those publicly discussed issues cause the removal of the package from Debian mirrors."?03:30
mwhudsonlfaraone: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/07/msg00475.html03:31
mwhudsoni guess03:31
lfaraoneah03:33
MTecknologythumper: yay03:36
MTecknologyso.. I get an email (4) telling me all 4 recipes built successfully03:47
MTecknologyand then 8 more telling me about pieces that failed03:48
MTecknology4 failed for amd64, 4 failed for i38603:48
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bulldog98hi @all10:29
bulldog98I’m currently trying an recipe and the build process in maverick forgot to install the build-deps, is that a bug10:30
bulldog98?10:30
geserbulldog98: does the log perhaps mention that aptitude was not found? if yes then it's sort of a known problem10:32
bulldog98geser: I’ll check for that just a minute please10:32
bulldog98geser: not it even doesn’t trys to install the build-deps10:34
bulldog98here the log is: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rekonq/+recipe/rekonq-daily/+build/412/+files/buildlog.txt.gz10:35
geseryep, near the end "/usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends: line 92: aptitude: command not found10:35
geserthat's the (known) problem, don't know if a bug exists for it10:36
wgrantBug 59910210:37
ubot5Launchpad bug 599102 in Launchpad Bazaar Integration "Source build based on recipe targeting Maverick fails (affected: 2, heat: 24)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59910210:37
bulldog98geser, wgrant: thanks for your help, I‘ll suscribe myself to that bug, so I’ll know when it’s fixed10:37
bulldog98seems like it will maybe be fixed today: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/599102/comments/410:40
ubot5Launchpad bug 599102 in Launchpad Bazaar Integration "Source build based on recipe targeting Maverick fails (affected: 2, heat: 24)" [High,Triaged]10:40
wgrantbulldog98: Very unlikely at this stage.10:41
bulldog98wgrant: hm, it not that important, cause it’s the dev system, but I‘m on it ^^10:42
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nae_hello:10:49
nae_I have ppa with the lattest development version  1.0.3 and I'd like to keep another more stable version as for now is 1.0 for this package ..10:51
nae_question:  Can I upgrade to my current ppa the 1.0 version again and create another ppa for the devel version?10:51
bulldog98nae_: you would have to purge the package in your PPA to upload an older version10:53
bulldog98or you add an Epoche10:54
bulldog98e.g. 1:1.010:54
nae_bulldog98: thanks ..10:54
wgrantBe very, very wary about adding an epoch.10:56
wgrantAh, he's gone. Sad.10:56
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falktxhi guys11:01
falktxall my ppa builds are failing11:01
falktxis this normal?11:01
falktxexample:11:01
falktxhttps://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid-latest/+build/188704911:01
bigjoolsfalktx: that looks special.11:04
falktxbigjools: really?11:04
falktxbigjools: it's not a usual thing that is happening?11:04
bigjoolsfalktx: where special == broken11:04
falktxoh11:04
bigjoolsI've asked an admin to take a look11:04
falktxthanks11:04
bigjoolsbut timezones are not in your favour11:05
wgrantHm, yeah, the internal NTP server looks broken :(11:05
falktxno point of doing more uploads then11:06
falktxis this something easy to fix?11:07
falktxthis doesn't happen for other ppas...11:10
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falktxoh it's happening after all11:14
falktxall build from all ppas are failing11:14
bigjoolsthe NTP server was restarted11:20
falktxbigjools: should I test it now?11:23
bigjoolsyes11:23
falktxok, retrying the builds11:25
falktxseems fixed11:28
falktxhttps://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid-latest/+build/188704911:28
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falktxconfirming it is fixed, packages got build sucessfully12:28
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FloSofthi13:13
FloSoftim created a branch currently, when i try to upload my initial revisions, it says that it cant find the .bzr directory on the remote host, what am i doing wrong?13:14
FloSofti used: bzr init ; bzr add ... ; bzr commit -m "initial" ; bzr push lp:~...13:14
FloSoftany ideas?13:19
candreaFloSoft: try pushing with --use-existing-dir13:35
FloSoftcandrea: i already found it out, but thanks, perhaps it should be added to the "help" of launchpad13:44
candreaFloSoft: bzr itself should have suggested you do to so13:45
FloSoftcandrea: yes but i tried to find a "non errorness" way14:14
FloSoftbecause i thought, if i create a repository on lp, i can "normally" us it, not by using some obscure commandline switches14:14
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lfaraoneIf I send a gpg-signed mail to launchpad containing nothing other than a command, will the email be published in the tracker?15:44
geseryes16:06
ActionParsniphey guys16:07
ActionParsnipwhy is the CoC signing is so convoluted!!16:07
gesercan you explain it little more?16:10
ActionParsnipwell it involves so many steps, plus I dont use email clients nor firefox so I am having a hard time decrypting the gpg mail which needs firegpg16:10
ActionParsnipso all in all its a bit of a mess16:12
geserhave you a better idea how to prove that you're in control of that email address (from the key id) and the private key?16:12
ActionParsnipi can send anyone a pre-ordained email from my account16:13
ActionParsnipi would need my username and password for my email address to send that16:14
ActionParsnipmuch much simpler16:15
ActionParsnipmight just ironically install firefox as I have no other option in an OS which promotes freedom of choice16:16
geserand what prevents that someone other send that email in your name? email headers can be falsified16:16
ActionParsnipmany things can be falsfied, my girlfriend knows all my passwords and she could equally do this whole procedure16:17
ActionParsnipmasquerading as me16:17
beunoso you should change your password16:17
ActionParsnipbeuno: thats not the point, the fact is that it can be falsified even if I play the stupid browser game. I dont mind her knowing my passwords and I know hers as we trust each other16:18
gesersure but when she abuses that knowledge you have the trouble not her (it depends on how much you trust her)16:18
ActionParsnipbeuno: its what you et from 7 years together16:18
ActionParsnipgeser: its not happened in 7 years and we are very happy, the fact is she could, so the signature would be falsified16:19
* nhandler notes you can copy store the message as a file and use the gpg tool from a terminal to decrypt it16:19
ActionParsnipsee my point, the whole convoluted way of signing it is ridiculous16:20
ActionParsnipand I'm sure less technical users than myself will get very confused with it all16:20
geserit easier to trust someone who stands in front of you and you know for a certain amount of time instead of a person at the opposite side of the world where you don't even know if the used name is true16:20
ActionParsnipgeser: it can still be circumvented which is what you were saying, it can be falsified16:21
gesertrue, nothing is perfect. It depends on how one makes it to break it. One has to find a balance between making it hard to falsify and ease of usage while one still trust the result.16:24
ActionParsnipits ridiculously hard, i think I have about 3 keys now, not even sure of that16:26
ActionParsnipnope, this is officially lame, I have 3 keys pending validation now16:41
ActionParsniphow can I validate please, i've been trying for literally 45 mins16:42
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ActionParsnipok i have an active key :D  can somebody please advise the next step...16:47
X3you have to wait16:49
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ActionParsnipjesus, finally. only took an hour16:51
X3ur lucky it only took that16:51
ActionParsnipits all done and I am all signed16:51
X3the instructions are clear it takes a long time16:51
ActionParsnipthats more complicated than getting a british passport16:51
ActionParsnipit didnt take long to process stuff, just the steps are so ridiculous16:52
X3you wait until u want to compile and upload stuff to a ppa16:52
ActionParsnipi just wanted to sign it, i dont compile16:53
X3backport whatever16:53
ActionParsnipseems to be part of the ubuntu member application though ;)16:53
beunoto some extent the CoC is not meant to be a ToS people ignore, so adding some weight to the process isn't really that bad16:54
X3??16:54
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X3wait your saying that making something purpusefully difficult is good16:55
lfaraoneX3: that way it requires effort and thought, and hopefully, consideration of what is being signed.16:55
X3ah I see16:55
X3nerd only need apply16:55
X3sorry this logic, does not compute16:57
X3much of the linux is still imo shrouded in needless technicalities, whic only serve to hinder a process of transparency ubuntu so much preaches16:59
beuno-lunchI am not saying to make it hard on purpose, I am saying that one positive aspect of it being in this state, is that it's a less lightweight process17:01
X3you a polititian?17:02
X3lol17:03
X3the difficulty of something or how difficult a process is only serves to keep the regular folk in the dark, theres no benefit imo17:05
geserI didn't have any technical difficulties with signing the CoC17:08
X3nor I17:08
X3but I aggree with actionparsnip its a jump trough hoops process needs revising and simplyfing17:09
geserhave you any ideas to simplify it without losing the little trust the current process gives?17:11
nhandlerI think the issue is less with the process of signing and more with the fact that a lot of the users having issues are simply unfamiliar with gpg and have never used a key or signed a doc like that before17:11
X3you emplying that the current process makes "shady" ppl less likely to sign it?17:12
X3or that a easier process mean that my signature is less worthy than "insert your trustworthy character name here"17:13
vadi2Has anyone else who uses a mobile phone to check email noticed that lp emails for package rejection/acceptance don't have all of their titles fit into the screen size - and with the status being said at the end, you have to open each mail to see the status?17:14
X3in fact not to mention Linux or ubuntu just for sake of argument google now requires a user to insert mobile phone nr in order to create account17:15
X3vadi2 use opera browser on mobile17:16
vadi2I use androids built-in gmail program, which works just fine17:16
vadi2I find mobile gmail to be less steamlined :/17:16
X3if it worked just fine why you complaining?17:17
X3i use opera to access all sorts online and all emails subjects read just fine17:18
geserX3: a really malicious user would have any technical (or moral) problems to sign the CoC17:18
vadi2X3: Okay, thanks for your opinion :) in my case, the launchpad ppa package emails get ellipsified and the important part is gone17:18
X3geser: dont think so specially a malicious user which would cover their tracks, this argument is not valid excuse17:19
geserbut I hope the chance that people who sign the CoC read it before signing is higher than compared to a webpage with a checkbox "Yes, I read the CoC" and an OK button17:20
X3vady2: well you can but try a dif method17:20
X3geser: I didnt read it17:20
X3nor do I care what it says17:20
X3i didnt want to be dead b4 I had sined it17:21
X3in fact any ToC which waffles away I doubt 1% of peeps read it17:22
X3all that txt is there to serve one purpose, to make sure that the ubuntu community is exempt of "your" actions17:24
geserI don't really care if somebody reads the CoC or not as long as he doesn't complain afterwards that he didn't know what exactly he signed when he oversteps the CoC17:24
X3hehe17:24
bigjoolsPPAs are a free service provided at great expense.  I'd consider it common courtesty to read the CoC if nothing else.17:24
bigjoolscourtesy, even17:25
X3I admit I didnt read it, not for lack of consideration for the "FREE" service, in fact this is a two way door17:27
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X3my "FREE" tie also comes at a great expense, so any contribution I make should hopefully offset17:29
X3*tie=time17:29
X3if i wanted to remain a leecher I wouldnt have bothered17:30
X3this apprent reasoning of morality behing a drawn out process only serves to abuse my already finite free time17:31
X3anywho just wanted to say make it easier doesnt mean just have a checkbox at end of a webpage and im certainly not saying ignore security in favor of simpler processes17:33
X3thankfully its a one off process17:34
X3bigjools: no offense intended to anyone or to the service or people behind it specially the ones giving their free time to help17:38
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romaiaany soyuz developers around?18:07
romaiaI am having some trouble with an loop in the builder.18:08
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lfaraoneIn the advanced bug search, I can search by subscriber. Can I search for packages which match a pattern that a person *isn't* subscribed to?18:28
lfaraoneX3: since you haven't read the CoC, I don't think you can make a judgement about what it says :)18:32
lfaraoneit's actually remarkably short IMHO. http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct18:33
X3it was never about what it says18:33
hyperairX3: i think you spent far more time complaining about the CoC than you would have reading and signing it18:33
X3again it was never about the CoC or the contents18:33
X3it was about the whole process18:34
lfaraoneX3: "12:24  X3$ all that txt is there to serve one purpose, to make sure that the ubuntu community is exempt of "your" actions"18:34
X3not the contents of the agreement18:34
lfaraonethat itself shows a complete misunderstanding of the document.18:34
X3again its not about the document your nit picking, thx for input18:35
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j^hi, is it possible to use dpkg-source format 3.0 (bzr) in ppas?19:51
jenkinshello can someone tell me how to aprove the imports here https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+imports?field.filter_extension=all&field.filter_status=all&start=0&batch=50 ? Our team admins can not do it.20:18
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pindongahi, I have the following issue: I have my series registered with the trunk branch, and then I also have a branch called stable from which I do the releases, when I merge branches into trunk they get marked automatically as merged, but this does not happen if I merge into stable20:43
pindongais this normal behaviour?20:43
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simulacrumWhy the heck I see deleted PPA in launchpad I don't want to see them anymore !! That why I deleted them!21:49
simulacrumWhat can I do about this annoying fact ?21:49
micahgsimulacrum: was it empty?21:51
micahgsimulacrum: you can disable a PPA, but not delete AFAIK21:51
micahgunless it was empty21:51
micahgi.e. never used21:51
simulacrummicahg: It was empty21:52
micahgsimulacrum: I think you need to file a request on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad to delete then21:52
simulacrumomg21:52
simulacrumthis is crazy21:52
simulacrumthanks anyway21:52
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