/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/07/23/#ubuntu+1.txt

billybigriggeranyone aware of an open bug for xorg's outrageous cpu usage? current 96% for me00:05
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funkyHatmysql isn't running on startup... I don't know if this is a +1 related issue, but I don't remember having it before so thought I'd better ask here ⢁D02:13
yofelfunkyHat: /etc/init/mysql.conf is there?02:14
funkyHatyofel: yes, and running start mysql works02:14
funkyHatI don't know anything about upstart really, so I don't know if there's a system for enabling or disabling services02:15
yofelwell, what mysql depends on is02:15
yofelstart on (net-device-up02:15
yofel          and local-filesystems02:15
yofel          and runlevel[2345])02:15
funkyHatI know about update-rc.d, but I guess that's not relevant anymore?02:15
yofelhm, it did start here when I rebooted a few days ago02:16
funkyHatoh... "Jul 21 21:07:41 tallest init: mysql post-start process (6549) terminated with status 2"02:17
rwwfunkyHat: correct. I think !boot in general is a little out of date now, actually.02:20
funkyHatI wonder if I can set a higher debug level and get some more info about why it's failing next time I boot02:21
rwwfunkyHat: sudo initctl log-priority info02:22
rwwfunkyHat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/devweek1007/UpstartJobs is a good intro :)02:22
funkyHatrww: I need it to persist after reboot, mysql comes up fine if I run it after boot02:23
rwwfunkyHat: ctrl-F that command on the page I linked and read the next few lines02:23
funkyHatI'm gonna forget to do this when I swtich my PC on tomorrow02:25
funkyHatagh I have 87 tabs open in firefox02:26
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DanaGARHGGHGH03:01
DanaGXorg is treating my middle button as a left button!03:01
DanaGHow do I make it not do that?03:01
yofelgenerally or just touchpad?03:02
DanaGJust touchpad.03:02
DanaGAnd yes, it does have a middle button.03:02
DanaGI haven't tried other mice with it.03:02
DanaGEven evtest on the event file gives left for middle.03:03
yofelhm, checked synclient settings?03:04
DanaGOh, and they say we don't need "shmconfig" anymore....03:05
DanaGbollocks... how else are you supposed to do synclient -m?03:05
DanaGIf it's a security vulnerability, then fine, make it require sudo.03:05
DanaGhmm, even cat /dev/input/by-path/platform-i8042-serio-4-mouse | hd03:06
DanaGreports same for left and middle.03:06
DanaGSynaptics: Clickpad mode enabled03:06
DanaGAh, no wonder.03:06
DanaGI don't have a ClickPad!03:06
DanaGTime for a bug report, then.03:07
DanaGBug filed.03:18
DanaGOh wait, an error occured, and trashed my submission.03:18
DanaGThanks, Launchpad.03:18
DanaGGreat.03:18
DanaGWell, screw that.03:19
DanaGGrrr.03:24
DanaGSo, how do I fix that so I can use my middle button again?03:24
DanaGargh03:25
DanaGrebooting to Lucid.... that button mishandling is a showstopper.03:26
DanaGArgh, Synaptics really irks me sometimes.03:32
DanaGThrough an accidental driver release, they've proved that ALL their touchpads can do basic multi-touch... yet they cripple that if OEMs don't pay for gesture support.03:32
DanaGI have a P2 laptop that can do multi-finger detection... yet my Core 2 Duo can't?  That's baloney.03:33
funkyHatDanaG: that's probably a patent issue03:40
DanaGNo, it's a money issue.03:40
DanaGThey sell some touchpads with full multi-touch, and some with none.03:41
DanaGAll of the old ones had very trivial multitouch, at least.03:41
funkyHatDanaG: right, because they probably have to pay for a patent license if they sell stuff with multitouch03:41
DanaGThe new ones have either none, or have some if you install the driver that patches the touchpad firmware.03:41
DanaGfunkyHat: fine, then they should at least let users pay for the feature, even if the OEM didn't!03:42
DanaGWait, and weren't Synaptics the ones to win multitouch patent lawsuits?03:42
DanaGNo, looks like there's a lawsuit of Elan suing Apple.03:43
DanaGah, Elan versus Synaptics: "Last year, that lawsuit and Synaptics' countersuit were both dismissed after the companies reached a cross-licensing agreement."03:43
DanaGDamn patents.03:44
bjsniderthe ruinous cost of all of the lawsuits will be passed on to consumers who just want the stuff to work and at a cheaper cost, something the patents prevent03:55
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DrHalanwhen i use indicator-network13:24
DrHalancan i safely remove network-manager?13:24
DaekdroomDrHalan, network-manager isn't the tray icon.13:29
funkyHatWell, adding --debug and --verbose to the boot options didn't make upstart log anything else about mysql. Still in the dark about why it's crashing13:43
ZykoticK9running into problems with "aptitude safe-upgrade" with the package libvirtodbc0 http://paste.ubuntu.com/467997/14:22
IdleOneanybody having issues retrieving gmail with evolution?14:37
DaekdroomIdleOne, I can't receive emails from my Live account, Gmail works fine.14:38
IdleOneStrange, I have two gmail accounts, both were working fine and now it seems like I only get email when it feels like it14:39
IdleOneno errors that I can see14:39
DaekdroomThere's something that's bothering me to hell.14:42
Daekdroomgnome-system-monitor no longer shows the "Memory" thing. I have to set it in the preferences everytime I start it :|14:42
IdleOneAlso I think I need to teach my sister about spam email.14:43
DaekdroomLooks like flashplayer doesn't like pulseaudio anymore.15:40
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Kangaroooxubuntu 10.10 from comp 1 to compt 2 wire to share network doestn work dorsny show any wired network available. in comp 1 settings is made config shre to other comps. in comp 2 is made automatic.17:50
Kangarooowhen i plug wire from comp to router to comp then all works. comp to compt doesnt. why? i used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing#GUI%20Method%20Using%20Network%20Manager%20%28Ubuntu%209.10%20and%20up%2917:51
Kangarooo1charlie-tca: ? maybe u know?18:07
charlie-tcaI don't use network manager. All my connections are static ip managed by me18:56
knittlhi. short question about bootchart19:45
knittldisk throughput seems really low and disk utilization is almost 100 % for the whole boot process19:46
knittlis this normal?19:46
knittlor is my hdd s%#t?19:46
knittlalso cpu is most of the time in io-wait state19:48
knittlhttp://knittl.is-a-geek.net/public/bootchart.png19:49
knittlto give you an idea19:49
void^knittl: doesn't seem too strange. readahead is usually used to increase io efficiency, but i don't know if they did something about it in maverick.20:02
knittlvoid^: well, i was just thinking that cpu is most of the time waiting for disk20:02
knittland disk is not reading at full throughput20:03
knittl(the 90something spike)20:03
void^hm? a traditional harddisk can only achieve its "full throughput" when reading consecutive data in order20:06
knittlvoid^: i thought that was the exact goal of ureadahead?20:14
knittlmoving data on disk so it can be read consecutively?20:14
void^knittl: afaik, it just figures out the optimal order for reading the required files into memory. but as i'm not seeing any readahead process in your chart, it may not even be installed or they might be using something different in maverick.20:17
knittlvoid^: readahead != ureadahead?20:17
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void^knittl: ureadahead is ubuntu's favourite readahead implementation20:26
knittli see. but i can see it in my bootchart ^^20:27
knittlsomewhere. i'm pretty sure i did :D20:27
knittland it's installed. do i have to do something to enable it?20:28
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void^ah, right. there it is. seems to do awfully little, so there's probably something wrong with it. check the manpage, it explains how to force a retrace iirc.20:31
knittlhm20:31
knittldeleting packfiles20:31
knittli'll try a reboot20:32
knittlanother thing i notice: after logging in hdd is still reading for like 2 min20:49
knittlcould this be related to ubuntuone?20:49
knittland i get »ureadahead main process terminated with status 5« upon boot20:51
knittlin bootchart it's still only running for <1s20:51
yofelknittl: did you reboot again? maybe it was reprofiling this time20:52
knittlyofel: yes, i did the reboot twice20:52
yofelodd20:52
knittlimmediately after hdd went silent (and blinking stopped) i hit reboot20:53
knittlthere is like 6 min difference between chart generation time20:53
knittland bootup time is the same (75s)20:53
knittlgdm login shows up pretty quick btw20:53
yofelwell, thanks to upstart, some system services get started *after* gdm shows, so hdd activity after login is ok IMO (maybe use iotop to check)20:54
knittlbut 2+ minutes?20:55
knittland desktop is like frozen20:55
knittlif i move some window over the icons they will not show again for a long time20:55
knittland mysql is not starting lately20:57
knittl:(20:57
knittl(yeah i know, maverick is not released yet …)20:57
yofelhm, you're not the only one with mysql issues iirc20:58
knittlmanual start works20:58
knittli.e. sudo service mysql start20:58
yofelfunkyHat: ^20:58
knittlyofel: but it could be related, that my databases are in /home/mysql20:58
knittlinstead of /var/lib/mysql20:58
knittland home is a separate partition20:59
ChipacaI now have no sound :(21:00
Chipaca(just updated)21:00
knittlChipaca: use the volume control to turn it up21:00
knittl(or use alsamixer)21:00
Chipacaknittl: I have no alsa devices21:01
knittlChipaca: hu?21:01
Chipacaknittl: in fact, no snd* modules loaded21:01
knittlinteresting21:02
Chipacanot particularly, no21:02
Chipaca:)21:02
knittlso ok, i'll try commenting every line in fstab except /, /home and swap21:03
knittlbut this shouldn't give problems …21:03
knittlsudo sed -i 's+^start on starting mountall+start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/var+' /etc/init/ureadahead.conf21:10
knittlnow this seems like a solution21:10
shadeslayeryofel: so im here :P21:18
yofelhehe, welcome :P21:18
* shadeslayer has come fully prepared....21:19
shadeslayera helmet.. kevlar... riot shield...21:19
shadeslayerseems im set21:19
* yofel bombards shadeslayer with failsave-x21:19
shadeslayeroh.. my katana21:19
* shadeslayer slices failsafe-x with katana21:20
shadeslayerbtw21:20
shadeslayeranyone with sendmail installed experience insanely slow boot times?21:20
knittlok, let's reboot and have a look at iotop21:21
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knittland yeah, i was right21:25
knittlio nearly 100 % for:21:25
knittlpython /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon21:25
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knittlstill syncdaemon running21:27
* shadeslayer goes to remove sendmain21:28
shadeslayer*mail21:28
knittlnow desktop is working again21:28
knittlubunut1 still 50+ % io21:28
knittland ureadahead won't regenerate packfiles :(21:29
knittlok, now syncdaemon is finished21:29
knittl4 minutes? oO21:29
knittlhm. my first boot with maverick was only 33 s21:34
knittlnow it's 8021:34
knittlmy last boot with lucid was 7021:35
knittli don't understand it …21:35
knittlon july 3rd boottimes went up to 100s (from 30s a day before)21:36
knittluargs. i don't fucking know what "terminated with status 5" means. and everything that google tells me, is status 421:45
knittlstupid #$~|\*/ ureadahead21:46
knittlbut at least io stays down after login now (thanks to disabling ubuntu1)21:46
IdleOneknittl: please keep the language clean21:46
knittlwhich is still running? wtf21:46
knittlIdleOne: sorry …21:46
Dinkknittl, do you have var on separate partition ?21:48
knittlDink: no21:49
knittlonly /home21:49
knittland i even disabled every other partition except /, /home and swap21:49
Dinkyou get anythign with ureadahead -v?21:53
Dinkstatus 5 I think means no pack file... Anyways i am out... later and good luck21:56
knittlDink: well, it should create a file21:58
knittlbut it doesn't. it just terminates21:58
knittland indeed, 5 means no packfile22:02
knittlbut only when trace fails22:03
knittli'd really prefer not reading the sourcecode for this xD22:03
knittloh ok. i shouldn't delete this fake mountpoitn22:04
knittlraaah, rebooting22:04
shadeslayeruh...22:20
shadeslayerdo i read the topic right?22:20
shadeslayerOfficial Ubuntu Maverick support22:20
shadeslayerOfficial ?22:20
shadeslayer:)22:20
BUGabundosince when??22:35
charlie-tcaThis is not an official support channel?22:51
BUGabundonever knew it as such charlie-tca22:54
BUGabundodevel is *totally* unsupported22:54
BUGabundoso no "oficial" support can be provided22:54
knittlnow this is strange/funny22:54
BUGabundowhat is ?22:54
knittlstock kernel won't boot anymore …22:54
BUGabundowfm22:55
knittlmaybe it's nouveau related, i just removed nvidia-current22:55
knittlbut nouveau has worked before22:55
BUGabundoThe following packages have unmet dependencies:22:55
BUGabundo  hplip: Depends: hplip-data (= 3.10.5-4ubuntu1) but 3.10.6-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.22:55
BUGabundo  libvlccore4: Depends: vlc-data (= 1.1.0-4ubuntu1) but 1.1.1-1+exp1ubuntu1 is to be installed.22:55
BUGabundothis kinda worries me more22:55
BUGabundobeen stuck on that for a few days now22:55
knittli didn't have that22:55
knittland 'not booting' is not entirely corretc22:55
knittlbut it stops before X shows up22:56
knittlotherwise i wouldn't be here obviously :D22:56
knittland my custom kernel still refuses to mount my ext4 root partition22:56
knittlaltough ext4 support is compiled in (not even a module)22:57
knittlany hints BUGabundo?22:57
BUGabundohumm22:57
BUGabundo.xessionserrors?22:57
BUGabundosyslog?22:57
BUGabundoxorg.log?22:57
BUGabundoanything obvious?22:57
knittlno, why my custom kernel won't mount :D22:57
knittli will try reinstalling nvidia-current and see if that works22:57
knittlhm, stock kernel does not even load alsa it seems. now this is peculiar22:58
knittlmocp: FATAL_ERROR: can't recieve volume from server22:59
knittlwth?22:59
BUGabundofsck it ?22:59
knittlno, my fs should be clean23:00
knittli blame nouveau right now23:00
knittli don't mind working in the console for a while23:00
knittlwant to fix my custom kernel first :>23:00
knittlbut also strange error (with custom and with stock kernel): address space collision: host bridge window conflicts with PCI mem23:02
knittlany idea?23:02
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knittlseems i can't boot with nouveau right now …23:29
kklimondais installation of the "upstream" nvidia drivers supported in 10.10? Have they updated their installer?23:30
knittlwhen is ubuntu1 syncdaemon started?23:30
knittlor from where?23:30
knittli removed it from startup applications, but it's still eating my hdd after login -.-23:30
kklimondait's nice that exactly half of packages use -utils suffix and the other half -tools23:35
kklimondanothing like guessing the right package name to make your day23:36
knittlkklimonda: <tab><tab>23:38
kklimondaknittl: doesn't work when I write an answer to the post ;)23:39

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