[01:07] godbyk, ping [01:08] daker: pong [01:09] how to add a space between two paragraphs ? [01:09] i used \\ but it's not working [01:10] also the \linebreak[2] is not working [01:12] daker: As just a one-time thing or do you always want space between your paragraphs? [01:12] always [01:12] the paragraphs are too close [01:12] Put \setlength{\parskip}{\baselineskip} before your \begin{document} [01:12] \baselineskip will give you one line of blank space. [01:13] you can use 2\baselineskip for two lines, etc. also, 0.5\baselineskip for half a line. [01:13] (you can use other dimensions, if you prefer.. like 3mm or 0.25in or 12pt) [01:15] the default is one line ? [01:16] the default is no space. [01:17] no he add a space [01:17] between paragraphs and to the TOC [01:19] I don't understand. [01:20] The default space between paragraphs in the article class, for instance, is technically 1 to 2 pt. [01:21] it's a book class not article [01:21] when i did \setlength{\parskip}{\baselineskip} [01:22] a space is added between paragraphs [01:22] and between the titles of the toc [01:24] Ah, yeah, that's true. [01:24] The \parskip length is used in multiple places for different things. [01:25] book class has the same spacing as the article class.. 0-1pt. (not 1-2 like I said before. sorry. misread the code.) [01:26] try moving your \setlength command to someplace after the \tableofcontents comand. [01:27] then it should only affect things below that point. [01:27] (though there are likely to be other undesirable side-effects to globally setting the \parskip length like this.) [01:33] last Question [01:34] how can reduce the height between the top and the content [01:37] the top margin? [01:38] yep [01:38] I would use the geometry package. [01:38] \usepackage[top=0.5in]{geometry} [01:38] run 'texdoc geometry' to see the manual for it. [01:38] but you can set the top, bottom, left, and right margins with it (among other things). [01:38] i use [01:38] \usepackage[paperwidth=150mm, paperheight=200mm,left=15mm,top=15mm,width=120mm, height=160mm,headheight=6mm,headsep=4mm,footskip=10mm,marginparsep=2mm,marginparwidth=13mm]{geometry} [01:39] yeah, just adjust the top margin from 15 mm to something smaller. [01:39] oki [01:40] What are you working on, if you don't mind my asking? [01:45] i dont know what we call that in english [01:47] oh ye it's something like a dissertation study [01:47] it's for the university [01:47] thesis [01:48] we can call it like that [01:48] daker: cool [01:48] Hey, humphreybc-cell [01:49] * humphreybc-cell groans [01:49] Heya [01:49] humphreybc-cell: what're you groaning about? :) [01:49] So much to do [01:49] Not enough time [01:50] And I have had a very unproductive week [01:50] I see Greek is done [01:50] Yay! [01:51] humphreybc-cell: I hear ya. There was a big wind storm here, and I didn't have electricity for 3 days. [01:51] Haha [01:51] But yeah, we released the Greek manual. So feel free to unleash the fanfare. [01:51] My except [01:51] Blah [01:51] Android. .. [01:52] I blame my phone for my bad typing skills, too. ;-) [01:52] My excuse is that I have been dating a girl that I met last weekend [01:52] (Stupid Swype keyboard nails me all the time.) [01:52] Ah, congrats. [01:53] Haha thanks [01:53] @%$#@! [01:53] I hate you so very much, OpenOffice! [01:53] * daker is always faithful to his computer [01:53] The spreadsheet I've been typing numbers into by hand for the past 30 minutes just crashed. [01:53] Anyway she's going away skiing this weekend so I should be able to get stuff done [01:53] And their lame recovery thing did nothing for me. Nothing! [01:53] Hate! [01:53] * godbyk fumes. [01:54] Oh bummer! [01:54] I'm going back to vim and text files. [01:54] But to be yoga [01:54] And I'm gonna write a python script to crunch these numbers for me. [01:54] Fuck you android keyboard [01:54] * daker don't trust cell phones [01:54] Lol [01:54] \o/ [01:55] my lovely keyboard [01:55] :p [01:55] with big keys and big letters [01:55] lol [01:55] But to be totally honest, at the moment I'm focussing on OMG! stuff - trying to set up a business and new sites. This weekend I'm going to create a nmerchandisr store =/ [01:55] bunch of cooks [01:56] cool [01:56] * humphreybc-cell has ginormous fingers and a tiny android keyboard [01:57] Yeah it's cool but I feel bad having not done much manual stuff recently [01:58] i confirm your feelings [01:59] :p [02:00] I'm gonna zone out and watch a movie. Should I go with The Road, Alice and Wonderland, or Shutter Island? [02:00] shutter Island [02:00] crasy movie [02:01] okay. shutter island it is. :) [10:57] godbyk: I've reported a bug related to NetworkManager screenshot. [11:26] infosoft: can you please explain what is wrong with the network manager screenshot? [11:27] as far as I can tell the only difference is the icons and the "enable wireless" line. The icons don't show on the default theme [11:28] The screenshot included in manual has option Enable Networking, but NetworkManager now has also option Enable Wireless. [11:29] infosoft: the enable wireless has always been there I assume who ever took the screenshot did not have a wifi card [11:29] Oh, ok then [11:29] Sorry for that [11:29] I can soon redo it with the wifi line in [11:30] its nice to see people being observant :) [11:31] In the image above, the check box next to ``Enable Networking'' is currently selected; you can deselect it to disable all network connections. This may be useful if you need to shut off all wireless communication, such as when in an airplane. [11:31] That's not true [11:31] that is wrong [11:31] If you uncheck Enable networking, you disable wired connections [11:31] yep who ever wrote it got it wrong [11:33] Needs updating :) When is lucid-e2 freeze (editing freeze) deadline? [11:33] no idea :( [11:33] I will attach a new screenshot later [11:34] For some reasons I thought deadline is 29th of this month. [11:35] *think [11:35] that rings a bell but it thought it was last month [11:36] It's hard to translate when we don't know how much updates there will be :) [11:41] However it's good that I can instead of translating wrong entries just to add modified translations with these bugs fixed. [11:47] yep the translators do fix lots of bugs as they translate, alot of them are spotted because of that [11:47] dutchie: can we update the lucid-e2 template? [11:47] especially as that is now the translation focus [11:48] er [11:52] bloody hell, po4a [11:53] jenkins: can you see if the following command works for you? [11:53] po4a -v --no-translations --copyright-holder "The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-name ubuntu-manual --package-version `bzr revno` po4a.conf [11:53] just going to pull and then I will try it [11:54] po4a: Couldn't determine the input document's charset. Please specify it on the command line. [11:54] (non-ASCII char at ./default-apps/browsingtheweb.tex :238) [11:55] not a clue what charater that is that line looks fine to me [11:58] stick a "-MUTF-8" in [12:00] it appears to be working, I have just thought does godbyk want to get the layout sported before the translators start work? So it is less work to release this edition [12:07] dutchie: before i do it should I pull the latest po files from launchpad as well? [12:08] yes [12:08] woops I will have to do it all again [12:36] right lets try again [12:38] dutchie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/467950/ what have I done wrong? [12:39] I have been called away be back in a bit [12:39] nothing [12:39] i don't know what's causing that [13:06] dutchie: I guess you are getting an error as well [13:07] the same one [13:07] hmm [13:09] dutchie: I am going to ask in #po4a on irc.oftc.net [13:09] already there :) [13:10] o there are loads of people [13:10] two of them are the same :) [13:10] and one is a bot [13:10] lol [13:11] and ones me and the other is you so there are 2 people who might be able to answer us [13:12] happy birthday for tomorrow dutchie [13:12] thanks [13:19] I have to go now should be back later, dutchie please let me know if you fix it [13:19] bye [15:16] !nowplaying [15:17] ouups [15:17] daker: wtf??? [15:17] nothing :D [15:17] lol [15:18] !now_sitting [15:18] Xchat plugin [15:18] \o/ [15:18] stupid plugin [15:19] I miss Konversation. After finishing translating manual I'll be glad to delete Ubuntu :D (I prefer Arch Linux + KDE) [15:25] i don't use KDE :) [15:25] i love Gnome & Gnome loves me [15:26] * nisshh is loving gentoo + fluxbox! [15:26] fast as hell! [15:31] Fluxbox is nice too. I like e17, but it's still beta (or alpha) version. [15:32] infosoft: if you install gentoo properly (compile everything yourself, not use any binaries) its extremely fast :) [15:33] for comparison [15:33] on ubuntu i can start firefox in about 6-10 seconds [15:33] in gentoo i can start it in about 2-3 [15:33] Compiling takes lots of time, but I don't have time :D I know about the speed. [15:34] infosoft: yea, but the compiling is worth it for the speed gain [15:34] infosoft: while compiling everything i just chrooted from ubuntu, so i can multitask [15:35] I still prefer Arch Linux. Not too geeky, not too user friendly :) [15:36] yea [15:38] Sometimes I need to connect projector, so I'm afraid that it may not work if I'd use environment without administration centre like KDE has. I tried Gnome + Arch. It was fast, but I wasn't able to listen music via USB speakers (while it worked perfectly while using KDE). [15:39] right [15:39] gentoo has everything i need, except flash and java are a serious problem to try and install [15:42] i used gentoo for quite a while, then i found stuff would break to often, costing me precious time to fix it [15:43] For working in office or somewhere else I'd choose Fedora (not Ubuntu, not Mint, not openSUSE). It's quite adorable, because it requires some knowledge + no need to compile packages (if you need to do tasks while on hurry). Arch is quite stable (sometimes more stable than Ubuntu) :) [15:43] thorwil: hmmm, hasnt for me yet, but then again iv only been using it for 2 weeks or so [15:48] Anyone else following the discussion on bug #1? [15:48] (Though I suppose it doesn't matter 'cause most of you are probably also subscribed to omgubuntu) [15:49] * flan is a Debian loyalist. [15:50] * flan used to be active with Arch, and still uses Gentoo for testing stuff. [15:50] i can't believe people still post to bug 1 [15:50] flan: what about bug #1? [15:50] nobody says _anything_ new on that bug report [15:50] popey: i think i might have [15:51] i a long time ago [15:52] popey: there are too many comments on that bug, so people don't read what's there already, as they only have enough time to add their own oh-so important *fresh* insight! [15:52] indeed [15:52] agreed [15:52] LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME I'M TALKING NOW! [15:53] i believe this is the first of popey's rants that iv witnessed :) [15:53] hah [15:54] Well, yes, that's exactly what its discussion has become. [15:54] I'm not saying it's worth following (I just do it 'cause it's amusing). [15:54] * nisshh goes and has a look at the comments on bug #1 [15:55] But there was a link to an omgubuntu page with a Dell ad for Netbook Remix 9.10. [15:55] that's also what happened with the wm button "discussion". i guess the whole internet would shrink to a fraction if all that duplication would get thrown out [15:55] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/best-advert-for-ubuntu-you-probably.html [15:55] WM button? [15:56] thorwil: exactly, i dont get why that was such a big deal, it was a very trivial change [15:56] flan: the omg! they are on the wrong side, in the wrong order thing [15:56] Oh, that. [15:56] flan i saw that earier today, its good ad :) [15:57] My only qualm with the buttons is that the ^ and v shapes are less intuitive than the old box form or Apple's +/-. [15:57] I keep my panels on the top and right sides of my display. ^ kinda suggests that the window will be iconified and v suggests it'll be zoomed. [15:58] (Relative to my layout) [15:59] flan: i had no problem getting used to the on the left, but i still mix up min/max sometimes. guess i have to patch my theme there [15:59] Ah. So I'm not alone. [15:59] Also, double-click-to-roll should be the default. [15:59] There's already a button for zooming. [16:00] And a button for always-on-top would be nice, since that one little thing could be a significant productivity plug over other OS's default (only) interfaces. [16:00] OSes'? [16:01] How does one pluralize and make OS possessive? [16:01] OSen's [16:01] Works for me. [16:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6lvZkv7hUI&feature=player_embedded :D [16:07] Talking cat (for those who are bored to translate something :) ): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94WcWy67Kfw&feature=player_embedded [16:13] anyone using Radiotray/Xchat ? [16:13] nope [16:13] irssi for me [16:14] i wrote a small plugin for xchat that display radiotray song [16:14] something like this [16:14] * daker is listening to Professor Green ft. Lily Allen - Just be good to green [16:14] cool [16:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/468045/ [18:26] dutchie: did you solve the po4a bug? [18:42] jenkins: no [18:42] dutchie: :( [18:42] any luck in #po4a? [18:43] nothing [18:44] all that happened while you had left the room is dpm joined then left again [18:44] o right thats good :P [18:48] godbyk: do we have the command \textfeild in the manual? building lucid-e2 is erroring on it. I can't recall what we use instead [18:50] people are not building before pushing bug fixes :( === Zeike is now known as brandonj [18:51] jenkins: yeah, \textfield (spelled correctly). :) [18:52] godbyk: yea just worked out it was spelt wrong [18:52] fixed the build errors now [18:53] godbyk: did you want to get lucid-e2 layout right before we updated the translations? [18:53] dutchie: I have a different error now [18:54] jenkins: once we're done fixing bugs, I'll probably go through and make sure the margin notes and other things are placed okay. [18:54] godbyk: thats what i thought my only concern is we have it as the translation focus and it is way out of date [18:55] dutchie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/468113/ [18:56] why is it translation focus? lucid-e1 should still be the translation focus, I think. [18:56] (e2 isn't in writing freeze yet) [18:56] I know ben set it a week ago. [18:57] and we have people translating it [18:57] godbyk: When will there be lucid-e2 writing freeze? P.S. Section about NetworkManager needs to be rewritten. [18:57] infosoft: I added to the bug [18:57] *it [18:57] infosoft: I don't know. The only date that I'm aware of is that it's to be released 29 July. [18:58] But even that was just an arbitrary date that was set eons ago. [19:04] godbyk, HELP!! [19:04] daker: Call 911 [19:05] heh [19:05] what's up, daker? [19:05] ! I can't write on file `main.pdf'. [19:05] (Press Enter to retry, or Control-D to exit; default file extension is `.pdf') [19:07] by runing $ fmtutil --all the first time it solved the problem [19:07] but now it doesn't solve anything [19:11] jenkins: put "% po4a: environment fullwidth" before the offending line [19:11] I've seen that error in this channel before, but don't know how we solved it. [19:11] I think we wiped out the whole directory and checked it out from scratch or something. [19:12] ah i'll try [19:12] dutchie: yeah, there may be more commands and environments that we need to tell po4a about. [19:13] also, I need to pull in some code from the lucid-e1 branch to bring the e2 branch up to speed (wrt translation stuff). [19:13] dutchie: that fixes it, I fixed the other bug by running make on the manual [19:14] oh, and I need to update the e2 makefile, I guess. :-) [19:14] godbyk: as long as it's not complaining, we're fine [19:15] jenkins: oh, of course [19:16] * dutchie notes that down [19:16] godbyk: have I asked before for a translations target? [19:16] dutchie: I don't recall. What do you want 'make translations' to do? [19:17] po4a -v --no-translations --copyright-holder "The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-name ubuntu-manual --package-version `bzr revno` po4a.conf [19:17] shall we set the translation focus to back to lucid-e1 [19:17] godbyk: that, but have the manual built first [19:17] otherwise it dies [19:17] dutchie: should it not be po4a -v -MUTF-8 --no-translations --copyright-holder "The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-name ubuntu-manual --package-version `bzr revno` po4a.conf [19:17] oh yes [19:17] probably need that in there too [19:17] i hate unicode [19:18] dutchie: UTF8 is one of the best things in my life :) [19:19] You shouldn't... hate it :| [19:20] it's a real pain to deal with [19:21] i don't really hate unicode, i hate the fact that there are multiple encodings and you have to deal with that [19:22] It's a lot better than ASCII. Multiple unicode encodings? Do you mean UTF8 and UTF16? [19:22] multiple encodings at all [19:22] iso-8859-x, ascii, ebcdic, utf-8, utf-16 [19:22] can't we just all agree to use one and not care about it? [19:23] that's what unicode is all about. :) [19:23] I agree with that. UTF8 is the best :D [19:23] but not everyone uses it yet, so there are headaches [19:23] like the -MUTF-8 [19:24] There are headaches when someone uses UTF8 with BOM (especially in programming; because of BOM some applications doesn't work) [19:24] every time i've written a program that has to deal with unicode, it's been a pain [19:26] BOM is the source of all bad things. [19:45] unless anyone objects in the next 15 minutes I will change the translation focus back to lucid-e1, it seams silly to have people trying to do stuff that will change [19:46] dutchie: how do I go about updating lanchpad with the new po files? [19:46] just commit & push [19:47] it should be set up right to auto-import [19:47] I thought it was on manual import as auto import messed things up [19:48] dunno [19:48] don't remember [19:48] any idea what i do to make it import? [19:49] it appears to be on auto import going on https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+imports [19:58] two minutes time translations back to lucid-e1 [20:01] changed the focus to lucid-e1 [20:03] why on lucid-e1 is greek got 1390 untranslated strings? and german is not complete [20:03] neither is english ul [20:03] *uk [20:04] launchpad is bad :( [20:05] Lauchpad is the Best Open source app [20:06] dutchie/ godbyk go to https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+imports?start=0&batch=50 and look there are loads of imports that need review now. there were not a minute ago [20:06] jenkins: you better not have done anything to piss off the translators.. :-) [20:07] I hope not, I am trying not to I have been palying with lucid-e2 and changed the focus (which made sense) [20:08] whos an admin for the manual team? [20:08] launchpad's translation stuff is all mysterious and scary. [20:08] jenkins: probably humphrey [20:08] I don't understand how it works, how it's *supposed* to work, etc. [20:08] it just breaks all the time and there seems to be nothing I can do about it. [20:09] jenkins: I can do some things. What do you need? [20:09] I agree godbyk I need someone who is an admin to look at the above page ^ and aprove everything to the right place [20:10] Looks like I can only mark things as Deleted, Needs Review, or Blocked. [20:10] same [20:10] dutchie: ^^ [20:10] I think a *Launchpad* admin had to help us with this last time. [20:10] Maybe ask in #launchpad for some help? [20:11] may be I am disliking launchpad and translations [20:12] godbyk: both you and i are not admins but josh is [20:12] he should be able to do it [20:12] jenkins: ah. [20:14] jenkins: We should have them make us admins so we can break things, too. :-) [20:14] well only ben can make admins as he is the project owner [20:14] hmmm [20:14] dutchie: fix it! :) [20:15] dutchie: lanuchpad broke it :) [20:15] i can only do deleted, needs review and blocked too [20:15] can someone else go and ask in #launchpad? i'm trying to create a virtual transport business in simutrans ;) [20:17] * jenkins asks [20:24] what other places can we use for translations? I don't like launchpad [20:28] transifex ? [20:30] the "write our own" idea has appeared once or twice [20:35] do other projects have problems with translations in launchpad? or are we using it wrong? [20:35] There isn't much time left until Ubuntu 10.10 release. Will we be able to prepare lucid-e2? :) [20:36] lucid is an lts so i guess we will release it later like canonical do with a new disk with all the updates [21:17] what happened with the bug contest ? [21:26] not sure. you'd have to ask humphreybc. [21:26] ok [21:27] btw i have to say that the Greek community is very excited about the manual and thanks all of it's contributors [21:28] cool. glad to hear it! [21:29] godbyk what will we do with the mail notification ? [21:30] well, I can send out the email if you want to write something. [21:31] ok i can right a small text [21:32] will it be sth like Dear reader, etcc [21:33] or Dear $name, $name=variable for name ? [22:07] godbyk: ping [22:09] c7p: pong [22:10] can i write in the message our ML's address so if someone wants to contribute to the project send a mail there ? [22:10] godbyk: / dutchie can you take up the problem with https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+imports?start=0&batch=50 as I don't think I will have much time in the next few days [22:11] c7p: Sure! [22:12] jenkins: I think the last time I talked to the launchpad guys they had to do something, but I don't recall what. [22:12] jenkins: did you get a reply from #launchpad? [22:12] nope I did not get a reply [22:12] irc is so reliable and efficient :) [22:13] lol, not sure how long i was on I am so busy at the moment [22:14] do you have to be subscribed to ML so you can send a mail to it or not ? [22:14] it ends up in the moderation queue if you're not subscribed [22:15] which means ? [22:16] it will end up being sent [22:16] one of the moderators has to aprove it first [22:16] ok cool then thx [22:28] godbyk: i send you the prototype mail, you can send it to dear readers :P [22:56] c7p: yep! [22:56] nice [23:10] c7p: What should the subject line be? [23:11] Το εγχειρίδιο "Ξεκινώντας με το Ubuntu 10.04" είναι πλέον διαθέσιμο [23:11] is it to long ? [23:14] works for me [23:17] ok [23:28] c7p: I've sent the email. [23:28] We'll see what happens. :) [23:28] great job [23:29] it works [23:30] a friend of mine received the mail [23:30] Good! [23:32] debian's website is really VERY POOR [23:50] night all [23:51] good night c7p [23:52] ty