bulldog98shadeslayer: I’m on for this weekend then I’ll have a 3 week pause09:33
freglSput: hello kitty is a proprietary brand, so we of course have not considered being the default desktop for their machines :P however, users should still run fluffy on those machines... they are free to use us. we just cannot embrace that stuff.09:38
shadeslayerbulldog98: ah ok09:41
shadeslayerbulldog98: i just wanted to know if you were working on kdevplatform...09:41
shadeslayeralso.. 09:41
kubotuapachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, shadeslayer, nixternal and Quintasan ... to the Batcave!09:42
shadeslayerrc 3 in ktown09:42
shadeslayeror so my email says09:42
shadeslayerhavent seen lex around much09:43
QuintasanMaybe he is busy09:44
shadeslayerQuintasan: are you updating wiki page?09:44
shadeslayeror should i do it09:44
QuintasanDo it, I take kdelibs09:45
shadeslayeri take whatever comes above kdelibs09:45
shadeslayerbase i guess09:45
Quintasanbase is after libs :P09:45
shadeslayerQuintasan: i meant graphically :P09:47
shadeslayerin the dep graph base is above libs :P09:47
QuintasanI C09:50
shadeslayeranyways... updated wiki.. taken some stuff feel free to take some stuff09:51
Quintasancowbuilding libs already :P09:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: is cowbuilder faster?09:51
QuintasanNo base.tgz extracting09:52
Quintasanmeans faster :P09:52
=== shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Kubuntu Meeting, Monday 19:00UTC, #ubuntu-meeting | http://tinyurl.com/28vjuea | KDE 4.5 Packaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging#preview
=== shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Kubuntu Meeting, Monday 19:00UTC, #ubuntu-meeting | http://tinyurl.com/28vjuea | KDE 4.5 Packaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
shadeslayerill get to this after lunch09:52
shadeslayerdownloading base for now...09:54
shadeslayerQuintasan: do you have a script of sorts that downloads the tarball for you?09:55
Quintasandownloading manually09:57
bulldog98Quintasan: wasn’t there a script in kubuntu-dev-tools?09:58
Quintasandunno if that works10:01
shadeslayerits been removed10:08
shadeslayerQuintasan: i also see svn files in the download folder :/10:11
shadeslayeri mean10:11
shadeslayertarballs with svn in their versions10:11
Quintasanwho cares bout that? :P10:20
Quintasando it so apachelogger won't have an excuse not to fix python10:20
* shadeslayer sees no point in making a new cowbuilder...10:22
shadeslayeritll take time.. :S10:22
shadeslayerwow... konqueror++ for not asking my password each time 10:25
ulyssesgrrr, 87 upgrade, 289,5 MiB to download10:29
yofel_oh, new rc :)10:32
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
yofelshadeslayer: need help?10:32
shadeslayeryofel: feel free to join10:32
shadeslayerdo you have your ssh key on ftpubuntu?10:32
shadeslayeri mean.. on ktown10:33
yofelI don't think so10:33
shadeslayerwe will have to set you up then... 10:33
shadeslayerQuintasan: can/should we add keys to ktown?10:33
shadeslayerkdebase building ^_^10:35
shadeslayerkdelibs takes longest to build :P10:36
Quintasankdelibs uploading to ppa10:38
shadeslayerQuintasan: what are you running :P10:38
QuintasanIntel Core i5 overclocked to 4GHz10:39
shadeslayerexplains alot10:39
Quintasanthough lex got a farm of computers :P10:40
yofelQuintasan: btw, can you upload http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/qtm_1.1.1-1build1.debdiff or just rebulid it yourself? I asked riddell but it seems like he forgot about it10:46
yofel(qtm is in universe)10:46
Quintasanyofel: okay, but in few minutes, need to go to shop10:47
Quintasanshadeslayer: btw, this solves problems with heat -> http://imagebin.ca/view/MLEZZL5U.html10:47
yofelnice :D10:47
shadeslayershow off... :P10:48
* Quintasan could fry eggs on this10:48
* Quintasan thought he forgot to bump verison, he did that automatically11:03
QuintasanI have been doing this for so long that I can't rembember if I've done this before uploading11:04
shadeslayerQuintasan: join lp11:05
Quintasanshadeslayer: nothing new11:11
Quintasanthey always have something to do11:11
shadeslayerheh :P11:11
Quintasanlike adding the Disscussion feature the other day11:11
Quintasanstupid and useless imo11:12
* shadeslayer stares at kdebase 4.4.95 in pbuilder11:12
shadeslayeroh goody http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/plasma-widget-fastuserswitch.html11:15
shadeslayernow i can request a sync11:15
yofelshadeslayer: so, what do I need if I want to help with the rc? (the only thing I know about that is the packaging session that you gave a while ago)11:21
shadeslayeryofel: first you need access to ktown11:22
shadeslayerbut i dont know if i can add you11:22
shadeslayerah apachelogger ^^11:22
yofelhi apachelogger11:22
apacheloggerand right there we stop now and think about why that stuff is on ktown to begin with and what precise implications access to ktown has11:23
apacheloggeryofel: aloha11:23
shadeslayerRiddell: bug 60944811:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 609448 in Ubuntu "Sync plasma-widget-fastuserswitch 0.1.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60944811:23
shadeslayeror if anyone else can sync that :P11:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: can you sponsor kdevplatform from https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental11:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: and then kdevelop from https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra11:25
shadeslayerQuintasan: pdbuilder is still setting up packages :/11:26
Quintasantry cowbuilder11:26
shadeslayeritll be same thing since itll download the packages and im on a crappy connection11:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: I am on ultra light travelling11:27
* apachelogger got no gpg and no ssh keys withhim11:27
shadeslayerapachelogger: :(11:27
shadeslayeryofel: hmm i do have it...11:28
apacheloggeras for the pbuilder setup junk .... there is a general problem that you will have to setup the whole stack at least once, which of course is also terribly slow11:28
apacheloggerso i would ponder creating a special pbuilder tar that includes qt4 or maybe all deps as required by kdelibs5-dev11:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: cant we speed it up somehow?11:29
apacheloggerthat cuts surely half the time of package installation11:29
Quintasanshadeslayer: copy over exitsting maverick pbuilder, login into install, install packages, logout ???? PROFIT11:35
* Quintasan goes to play HoN11:36
shadeslayerQuintasan: ill have to extract it first right?11:36
Quintasanshadeslayer: no11:36
Quintasancopy the tgz11:36
shadeslayerthen rename to .cow11:36
Quintasanshadeslayer: I'm referring to setting up a pbuilder with qt packages11:36
Quintasansudo pbuilder --basetgz [basetgz-location] --login --save-after --save-after-login11:37
Quintasansudo pbuilder --basetgz [basetgz-location] --login --save-after-login11:38
Quintasanshadeslayer: as for cowbuilder11:38
Quintasancp tgz somewhere11:38
Quintasanungzip it11:38
Quintasanmkdir base.cow11:38
Quintasanmv contents of tgz to base.cow11:39
Quintasanand it should work right after that11:39
shadeslayeryep thought so...11:39
shadeslayerill try it out11:39
* apachelogger doesnt really get why that junk cannot be included as feature in pbuilder TBH11:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: why do we not have nepomuk debug packages?11:41
shadeslayerany ideas>11:41
bulldog98shadeslayer: kde cmake?11:41
shadeslayerbulldog98: yeah when building kdebase11:42
bulldog98shadeslayer: ok11:42
shadeslayerim looking at which packages,etc do i need11:42
bulldog98shadeslayer: kdelibs?11:42
shadeslayershared-desktop-ontologies is in debian/control11:42
shadeslayerbulldog98: kdebase11:43
shadeslayerbut it isnt picked up 0_o11:43
shadeslayersame for libglib2.0-dev11:43
bulldog98shadeslayer: kdelibs as dependence11:43
apacheloggershadeslayer: because we do not have no nepomuk package?11:43
shadeslayerbulldog98: whut?11:43
shadeslayerapachelogger: i mean virtuoso debug packages.. sorry11:43
bulldog98shadeslayer: kdelibs-dev is an dependence. Am I right?11:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/190741311:44
apacheloggerddebs will11:44
shadeslayerbulldog98: yes11:44
shadeslayerbulldog98: kdelibs5-dev11:44
shadeslayerThe following external packages *were* located on your system.11:45
shadeslayerQuintasan: seems kdelibs is done11:47
shadeslayeruh.. someone needs to update meta kde to 4.4.9511:49
shadeslayerill do it :)11:50
shadeslayerkdebase uploaded11:57
shadeslayerQuintasan: you might want to bump the version of kde-sc-dev-latest in your next kdelibs uploade11:57
Quintasanyyy, there is not kde-sc-dev-latest in kdelibs control?12:03
Quintasanor I'm bind12:04
Quintasanshadeslayer: built and published in ppa, proceed12:05
eMyllerjust wanted to share: http://twitpic.com/286axn :)12:06
QuintasanPushed up to revision 256.12:07
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=256&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 256 | changed feature heading to from "Linux" to "UNIX" - mjm12:08
Quintasannice number :312:08
QuintasaneMyller: what happended to Amarok @_@12:08
ulysseseMyller: Only the File menu appears for me:(12:08
Quintasanshadeslayer: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/fast+user+switch?content=12746212:10
Quintasanupdate it, nao!12:10
shadeslayerQuintasan: thanks for that12:10
eMyllerQuintasan: just detached the docklets and made some cleanup. bad? :P12:12
eMyllerulysses: restart your apps :)12:13
shadeslayeri wonder if ofirk can make something like http://jointhegame.kde.org/12:13
* eMyller hopes all this beauty will be available on Maverick12:13
Quintasanno, look damn neat12:13
QuintasanI want this like that too12:13
Quintasanbrb trolling my X server12:13
ulysseseMyller: móthanks12:14
eMyllerQuintasan: the best part is that it's transparent (not entirely, but through oxygen-transparent) and is still hide-able by tray icon. :D12:14
eMyllerulysses: welcome12:15
eMyllershadeslayer: i am a web developer as well, and was willing to help kde web stuff at weekends :)12:15
shadeslayereMyller: uh kde or kubuntu stuff? :D12:16
shadeslayereMyller: if you want to help kde, #kde-www would be the place12:16
shadeslayerif you want to help with kubuntu then talk to ofirk12:16
eMyllershadeslayer: both; i'm working on some apps for kde as well. but for web i meant kubuntu, sorry :P12:20
QuintasaneMyller: did you use that with Kubuntu packages?12:20
eMyllerwow, rekonq/konqueror look damn beautiful with transparent/blurred UI + global menubar *-*12:20
QuintasanKinda my X broke after installing that12:20
eMyllerQuintasan: i collected some repos12:21
shadeslayereMyller: ofirk then :D12:21
eMyllershadeslayer: it's quite a while i've been waiting for him here :|12:21
Quintasanhow come new oxygen borked my KDM?12:22
shadeslayereMyller: put it in the kubuntu devel Mailing list12:22
eMyllerQuintasan: http://pastebin.com/9X79VdBK my sources.list (for lucid)12:23
QuintasaneMyller: I'm asking about oxygen-transparent12:23
eMyllershadeslayer: it == what?12:24
QuintasaneMyller: Did you just execut the script and it worked?12:24
shadeslayereMyller: your suggestions for the new kubuntu site12:24
eMyllerQuintasan: yeah, it's there + a bunch of cool/up-to-date kde apps :)12:24
eMyllershadeslayer: i'm already following the visual part with sheytan_12:25
eMylleromg nerdgasm. oh oh12:25
* eMyller wants to take dozens of screenshots12:26
Quintasanwtf, it broke my kdm12:27
QuintasaneMyller: are you using KDE 4.5 RC?12:27
eMyllerQuintasan: yep12:27
eMyllerQuintasan: reset kdm12:27
Quintasansooo hmm12:27
Quintasanha ha, doesn't work12:27
eMylleractually i didn't see my kdm after installing this stuff...12:27
eMyllerhope it works XD12:27
eMyllergonna test. brb12:28
Quintasanand that oxygen theme wouldn't start as well12:29
QuintasanHow can he dare marking that unusable stuff 1.0 release?12:29
Quintasanlooks like eMyller has broke kdm too12:30
eMyllerQuintasan: normal.12:30
eMyllerQuintasan: well, that's why i gave you my entire sources.list12:30
Quintasanokay, if that's how it wants to play then I'm going to bet it12:30
eMyllermaybe something is missing there12:30
eMyllerthat collection is perfect. :)12:31
* eMyller promises he will update his kubuntu gallery when he gets back12:31
eMyllergotta go, i'm 30min late :(12:31
* eMyller doesn't want to leave his laptop12:31
eMyllershadeslayer: why is http://jointhegame.kde.org/ for? it seems incomplete...12:33
shadeslayereMyller: for getting money :P12:33
eMyllermhmm... 'join the game' is not a good title then :P12:33
eMyllerwow, was rekonq accepted for maverick?12:34
eMylleri'm using it from a ppa... does yours already play with form data?12:34
eMylleralso i filled a bug about webkit rendering some days ago.. hope someone looked at it12:35
sheytan_hey hey hey :D12:36
sheytan_today is GIMPing day :D12:36
eMyllersheytan_: :D12:37
sheytan_still waiting for ofir12:37
eMyllersheytan_: i'm loving GIMP, btw. am getting used to the UI12:37
sheytan_but he said he's kinda busy12:37
sheytan_eMyller, told you :SD12:37
sheytan_but i hope, when he comes, he will like my work :D12:37
eMyllersheytan_: check my last dents12:38
sheytan_eMyller saw your shot :D12:38
sheytan_only hide some icons in systray, that don't scall :D12:38
sheytan_would look better :)12:38
eMylleralready did12:38
eMyllerwill update my picasa gallery tonight12:38
eMyllerwow, my rekonq is out-to-date :\12:39
eMyllerback to follow repo, NOW12:39
Quintasanreinstalling packages did not help12:39
eMyllerQuintasan: nothing yet? :(12:39
eMyllerwhat exactly is broken?12:39
Quintasanbeats me12:42
Quintasankdm won't start12:42
Quintasanand after it fails I can't switch to serial console for some wierd problem12:42
Quintasanthat autologging is crap12:43
Quintasanyields no errors12:43
lummafter my login screen nothing goes forward anymore as well.. got a blank plasma screen and nothing popsup :S12:45
shadeslayeroff for a while.. 12:46
QuintasaneMyller: well, I can see the cursor blinking for a second12:46
eMyllerwow :\12:48
eMyllerQuintasan: did you try to upgrade from that sources.list?12:48
eMylleras i said, something may be missing at your system that some package from there would solve12:49
Quintasan(EE) Microsoft Natural® Ergonomic Keyboard 4000: failed to initialize for relative axes.12:49
Quintasanwhat the heck12:49
eMyllerkubuntu reinstallation detected. :(12:53
eMyllerwell guys, gotta go :\12:54
QuintasanI realised my packages are 4.4.512:57
eMylleroh. how come? Oo12:58
Quintasanhell no12:58
Quintasanthey are 4.4.4212:58
Quintasanand the crap from repositories that I copy pasted from you eMyller is something like12:58
Quintasanlet me check12:58
bulldog98can someone give me access to ktown so I can download kdesdk?12:58
QuintasaneMyller: 4.5~beta112:59
apacheloggerI think there is a bug in kwallet12:59
Quintasanmy kdm broke @_@12:59
eMyllerQuintasan: that repos are being used here right now, and everything runs smoothly Oo12:59
bulldog98apachelogger: who has the right to give people access to ktown?13:03
apacheloggersomeone please give bulldog98 the kdesdk tarball13:03
Quintasanborked kdm is borked13:05
QuintasaneMyller: installing whole crap now13:05
Quintasansomehow I get 300mb of new packages13:06
eMyllerQuintasan: hope it works13:07
QuintasanI hope so too13:08
Quintasanwell a reinstall for me when maverick comes13:10
Quintasanand a dd image ater all is configured13:10
bulldog98apachelogger: should I update the standards version in controlfiles?13:16
bulldog98to 3.9.0?13:16
apacheloggerbulldog98: depends on whether the package is in debian13:24
apacheloggerif you bump it and the package is in debian it might very well become a somewhat useless difference to the debian package and show up in the merge diffs13:25
apacheloggerif it is not in debian you can happily change it13:25
bulldog98apachelogger: hm the package is in debian but it would make lintian happy13:26
apacheloggerin fact you should also change it if you introduce a change that is only valid as per a newer standards version whereas an older version did actually discourage whatever you changed13:26
apacheloggerbulldog98: screw lintian ;)13:26
apacheloggerthere is absolutely no use to bumping the standards version other than marking that this package is in line with the rules outlined in version 1.1.113:27
apacheloggerso if there is no particular reason why the package should be marked as following 1.2.0 one should just stick to 1.1.113:28
apacheloggerin a lot of cases debian will release a new package and we then merge the version bump anyway13:28
bulldog98apachelogger: ok then no need to bump it in kdesdk13:29
bulldog98apachelogger: should I bump the dep on kde-sc-dev-latest to the latest version?13:31
apacheloggerbulldog98: I would say so13:35
CIA-98[muon] jmthomas * 1153981 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/DependsTab.cpp sssh13:36
QuintasaneMyller: :(13:41
Quintasanhow the hell KdM could break by replacing oxygen theme?13:44
Quintasanfucking great, dhcp was broken by updating13:49
Quintasanthis is madness14:05
QuintasanI do not want to encrypt my home but I can't uncheck this crap14:05
* Quintasan will install Fedora in few seconds14:07
QuintasanI can't stand this14:07
* Quintasan goes to rage somewhere14:09
Quintasan+ partmanager is sloooooooooooooow14:11
mfraz74My laptop is now on Kubuntu 10.1014:16
mfraz74Any idea why the desktop effects aren't enabled even though system settings says they are?14:18
mfraz74Not that impressed with rekonq14:20
ulyssesJontheEchidna: should I translate playground-libs/qaptbatch.pot?14:37
Quintasanhey, I thought that crappy looking plymouth with propeitary drivers was fixed15:44
QuintasanJontheEchidna: hey, do you know what the hell strongswan plugin for network-manager is? with the kde frontend it pulls almost all gnome common files15:56
ulyssesJontheEchidna: Hungarian translation of playground-sysadmin/muon.po is complete, I'm waiting for beta:) Then I'll write about Muon for Hungarian users15:57
Quintasanulysses: care to link me to english po file?15:57
QuintasanI would do Polish tranlation15:57
ulyssesQuintasan: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/playground-sysadmin/muon.pot15:59
ulyssesthe *.po will be generated from this *.pot if you use Lokalize16:00
QuintasanJontheEchidna: expect a link in few minutes16:02
ulysses~karma muon16:02
kubotukarma for muon: 416:02
Quintasan~karma Quintasan 16:02
kubotukarma for Quintasan: 216:02
Quintasan~karma muon16:02
kubotukarma for muon: 516:02
Quintasan~karma Quintasan 16:02
kubotukarma for Quintasan: 216:02
ulysses~karma Quintasan 16:03
kubotukarma for Quintasan: 316:03
Quintasangreat, got like 90% of it16:20
Quintasanback to setting up mah systemz16:20
* apachelogger likes how pulseaudio eats 2% of his cpu16:21
apachelogger* Almost every class and method in the KDE API is supported. For most16:22
apachelogger  developers PyKDE4 is in good enough shape to start porting and16:22
apachelogger  development of PyKDE4 based programs.16:22
apacheloggerSime: ^ supposedly that is meant to say of PyKDE3 based programs?16:22
apachelogger(that is from the tips section in the pykde README)16:23
apacheloggerwow, and then pulseaudio stutters when under a bit of load16:29
apacheloggervery amazing piece of software right there16:29
* apachelogger nukes16:29
crimsun_apachelogger: that isn't PA's fault, generally, but the kernel's16:31
crimsun_apachelogger: specifically: the sound driver16:31
crimsun_apachelogger: so, please, file a bug: ubuntu-bug alsa-base16:31
* crimsun_ mutters about people blaming the wrong piece of software for suckage16:31
apacheloggerworks before - use pulse - doesnt work16:32
apacheloggermust be the kernel's fault clearly :P16:32
crimsun_apachelogger: it is. pulse fundamentally has a different model of buffering semantics that requires the sound driver to be much more precise.16:33
crimsun_I've probably produced dozens of these sorts of patches.16:33
QuintasanJontheEchidna: highfive16:35
Quintasanthis Muon is getting somewhere16:35
Quintasannot like that retarded package kit16:35
apacheloggercrimsun_: I wonder how that can still be an issue on the inspiron mini 10?16:36
apacheloggersurely there must be quite some bug reports on a device that can be ordered preinstalled with ubuntu16:36
crimsun_apachelogger: there are tons of issues with those codecs16:37
apacheloggercrimsun_: so it is not like fix it once somewhere in the driver and be done with it?16:37
crimsun_thankfully I won't have to worry about them as much now that Canonical finally has a full-time employee doing sound enablement16:37
crimsun_apachelogger: correct16:37
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: around?16:38
shadeslayer~karma sheytan16:39
kubotukarma for sheytan: 116:39
shadeslayer~karma shadeslayer16:39
kubotushadeslayer has neutral karma16:39
shadeslayeraww... :P16:39
sheytanshadeslayer what is this thing ? :D16:39
shadeslayerkubotu:  help karma 16:40
kubotukarma module: Listens to everyone's chat. <thing>++/<thing>-- => increase/decrease karma for <thing>, karma for <thing>? => show karma for <thing>, karmastats => show stats. Karma is a community rating system - only in-channel messages can affect karma and you cannot adjust your own.16:40
apacheloggercrimsun_: sounds like supremacy in the future is not an option because of loads of effort necessary to make it work properly at all ^^16:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok .. im starting a project... Kubuntu Software Center... but i need guidance :P16:40
crimsun_apachelogger: it isn't PA's fault the driver sucks :P16:40
apacheloggeryeah, I know, it is just, to make the vison of PA come true one needs to fix the sucky driver16:41
apacheloggerwhich other architectures happily work around16:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: any suggestions ? should i go ahead with it ? ^_^16:41
apacheloggerso from a short-term efficiency I would not think PA is a good business choice :)16:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: I do not know what you mean by that TBH16:41
crimsun_apachelogger: hence the request for the ubuntu-bug output ;)16:41
sheytanoh, ok :D16:41
apacheloggercrimsun_: aye ^^16:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://equima.pfpfree.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Screenshot-Ubuntu-Software-Center-Pulseaudio.png16:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter16:43
apacheloggershadeslayer: 2 questions ... a) how to maintain it b) do you have any sort of concept yet?16:44
apacheloggeroh hold on16:44
apacheloggermake that 1. and 2.16:44
* apachelogger always gets this wrong ^^16:44
shadeslayerwell... im thinking of using libqapt from JontheEchidna for the backend16:45
shadeslayerso i think that answers 1)16:45
apacheloggeryou see16:45
shadeslayerand ill try to maintain the UI part....16:45
apacheloggerubuntu software center is based on python-apt16:45
apacheloggerand python-apt is around for years16:45
apacheloggeryet it took the main authr of the ubuntu software center quite a long time to get things going16:45
apacheloggerif you target cloning the ubuntu UI you basically talk about a lot of custom widgeting16:46
apacheloggerif you target using the full efficiency of Qt/KDE then even more so16:47
shadeslayerill just make my image viewer app then :P16:50
apacheloggerI do not want to discurage you, but I strongly urge you to first very carefully consider what you want to end up with and if that is maintainable16:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: you could redo our upgrade tool btw ;)16:52
* apachelogger upgraded yesterday and was shocked16:52
shadeslayerapachelogger: upgrade tool? update-manager-kde ?16:53
apacheloggerwell, technically the UI that gets utilized16:53
shadeslayerive seen it once :P16:53
shadeslayerok.. where is the code stored?16:53
shadeslayerfor kde ui as well>16:54
apacheloggerit is one of those tools where kdeui and gtkui are very much alike16:55
apacheloggerwhich results in some creepy code form what I have seen16:56
apacheloggerone of the most obvious things that need to be changed is convert to a fullfeatured KDialog with standard buttons16:56
apacheloggercurrently it is a QDialog which makes things a lot more scary than they need to be IMHO16:56
shadeslayeri see python :(16:57
apacheloggeroh right that was the other reason for creepyness ;)16:58
* shadeslayer does not know python :(16:58
apacheloggeryou better learns it then, knowing python can be the reason to get employed at google ;)16:59
Simeshadeslayer: It is certainly not hard to learn, although people around here seem to have trouble.16:59
shadeslayerSime: the problem is not that,im currently trying to learn Qt/kdelibs16:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: heh... :P17:00
apacheloggershadeslayer: Qt is Qt and KDE is KDE in either language17:00
apacheloggeryou just get them in languagespecific favors17:00
apacheloggerlike in Python you will not have to mess with kwallet::wallet::openwallet returnign a pointer that you need to kill ;)17:00
aguja85_i want to mount a ntfs partition every time i boot, do i have to modify the fstab file?17:02
ubottuThe official Kubuntu support channel is #kubuntu. Please be aware that this channel is for development only.17:02
* apachelogger is now building kdelibs on an atom '17:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah.. after it builds, the atom will die ... :P17:05
apacheloggerno no17:05
apacheloggerI already built Qt on an atom ^^17:05
apacheloggerand something else that was incredibly big17:05
apacheloggerthat was one PITA though17:05
* apachelogger is wondering why the default deco comes with that horrible app icon on the top left17:08
apacheloggerdestroys the look big time17:08
apachelogger!info kaboom17:12
ubottukaboom (source: kaboom): The Debian KDE settings migration tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2 (lucid), package size 91 kB, installed size 304 kB17:12
apacheloggerwhut? Oo17:12
apacheloggersrsly scary17:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: ok weird thing with patch, when i patch manually with -p1 it works, but when using with debuild it fails 17:15
mfraz74upgraded my laptop to maverick today and when I log on desktop effects are disabled. I have to disable and then re-enable them in system settings for them to work17:16
apacheloggerme@logos:~$ ls /usr/share/wallpapers/Ethais/contents/images/17:16
* apachelogger needs to write a mail17:16
apacheloggerno wonder plasma and konqueror started all sluggish17:16
apacheloggermy oh my17:17
shadeslayeryep.. same thing here17:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: quilt does not patch with p1 but p017:17
apacheloggeryou need to add -p1 to the series file to apply with p1 IIRC17:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: no i used patch -p1 <patch17:17
apacheloggerquilt uses patch -p0 :P17:17
apacheloggerI think someone strippes the other sizes from ethias17:17
shadeslayeri thought it used p117:18
apacheloggerpossibly to get it fit on the CD17:18
apacheloggerhere is another reason why I dislike CD distribution in 201017:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: hm, maybe you are right17:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: just try quilt :P17:19
mfraz74why 1920 x 1200 though?17:19
apacheloggerquilt push PATCHNAME17:19
apacheloggermfraz74: largest available size17:19
apacheloggerso it can be scaled down while preventing additional blurryness on larger sizes caused from scaling up17:19
apacheloggerof course scaling that size down to say something that fits a netbook eats your cpu bigtime17:19
apacheloggerand add a netbook like cpu to the mix17:20
apacheloggerand voila17:20
Quintasannotification started to pop up on the top of screen17:20
apacheloggerkubuntu is so slow I can go drink a bottle of wine while it starts konqueror17:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/190753517:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: yeah :(17:21
Quintasanapachelogger: Wouldn't including a faken SVG instead help?17:21
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: isnt kubuntu_93_fix_username_icon_alignment.diff upstream'd?17:21
apacheloggerQuintasan: that would also require scaling17:21
QuintasanI have 1920x1080 and those stupid wallpapers look like crap17:21
Quintasanman, so include all sizes then17:21
apacheloggerand SVG scaling is possibly even more expensive than that size of png17:21
Quintasanin differenc packages17:21
apacheloggerQuintasan: no in that one package17:21
Quintasanapachelogger: I think that splitting artwork further would be good idea17:22
shadeslayerapachelogger: heh.. Hunk #1 succeeded at 39 with fuzz 2 (offset 9 lines). and Hunk #1 FAILED at 13.17:22
apacheloggeron the one hand we go on about how we love kde artwork and thus do not apply our own17:22
apacheloggerand on the other we render that very artwork to crap17:22
Quintasannoone wants to download wallpaper for 800x600 nowadas17:22
shadeslayerQuintasan: i would like to split it in terms of resolution17:22
apacheloggerQuintasan: I am not sure that ethias even has a 800x60017:22
QuintasanI was about to propse that17:23
shadeslayeri dont like to download 128 MB's of wallpaper 17:23
shadeslayerwhen 100 MB of it is useless17:23
apacheloggerethias is not 128 MiB?17:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: the whole kdeartwork17:23
Quintasankdebase-artwork-wallapers-1280x1024 or so17:23
apacheloggerwe do not install kdeartwork?17:23
shadeslayerQuintasan: yep17:23
Quintasanapachelogger: but in case someone wants this17:23
Quintasanit's retarded to push all available sizes17:24
apacheloggeractually it is not17:24
Quintasanor just give the user damn SVG17:24
apacheloggerbecause the idea is that your screen size might change17:24
apacheloggersay you plug in another display17:24
Quintasan>might chage17:24
Quintasanuse SVG Luke!17:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: for people on laptops as well?17:24
apacheloggeror say you have a laptop and plug it onto a large screen17:24
apacheloggeror a beamer17:24
apacheloggeror a TV set17:24
apacheloggershadeslayer: even more on a mobile computer than on a workstation17:25
shadeslayeri dont think the wallpaper res changes on doing that  ^17:25
Quintasanhaha, I've tried plugging to a TV set, shit didn't work ^_^17:25
apacheloggershadeslayer: it does17:25
apacheloggerbecause plasma changes17:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: plasma changes? :P17:25
apacheloggerin fact that is the only reason for the existence of kephal17:25
shadeslayerhow is that possible 17:25
apacheloggerplasma hooks up with kephal and kephal emits singals upon resolution changes17:25
apacheloggerplasma then rescales to new size17:25
apacheloggershadeslayer: plug'n'play ;)17:25
Quintasanshit doesn't work with TV's17:26
Quintasanat least here17:26
apacheloggerin a virtual machine with custom scaling you see that very well17:26
shadeslayerapachelogger: hahaha :P17:26
apacheloggerwhen you resize your vm window plasma will repaint to fit the new containment restraints17:26
QuintasanI have a Panasonic Vier with 1920x1080 Plasma from LiveCD was 1024x768 and the Kubuntu install failed to launch KDM on my display17:27
Quintasan+ semi colon between 1920x1080 and Plasma17:27
apacheloggerQuintasan: that is more a X driver problem17:27
QuintasanI can agree but tons of users report it working17:27
Quintasanwith the same series of Radeon cards17:27
apacheloggerseries != precise model :P17:28
Quintasanbut the driver is exacly the same17:28
apacheloggera lot of hardware vendors change essential parts of the hardware without rebranding17:28
apacheloggeror adding a rev somewhere where you do not see it17:28
Quintasanwell, brb, creating dd of my /17:28
apacheloggerIIRC this was a problem with the sansa thingies where one revision worked with rockbox and the other did not because essentially the whole arch was different17:29
apacheloggeryet same name + some revision17:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: is it possible to load a patch that does not apply and edit the file where it gets rejected and then refresh the same patch?17:35
apacheloggerI am not sure I understand17:36
shadeslayerok like : quilt push -a;<patch gets rejected>;<hack file to fix patch>;quilt refresh17:37
shadeslayerwill that work?17:37
apacheloggerpush will not apply a rejected patch17:37
apacheloggeryou have to pass a special argument to get it leave the rejects17:37
apacheloggerand -f I think17:38
apacheloggernot sure17:38
* apachelogger always does it the manual way and recreates the patch altogether ;)17:38
shadeslayer --leave-rejects Leave around the reject files patch produced, even if the patch is not actually applied.17:39
apacheloggerwell you want it applied, otherwise the refresh will not work17:39
apacheloggeryou edit the reject files17:39
apacheloggerthen remove the offensive section from the patch, quilt push and add the edited sections via regular modifcations and quilt refresh17:40
apacheloggerwhich IMHO sounds more complicated ^^17:40
apacheloggernow that is curious17:41
apacheloggersomething is very odd with kwallet when called from a qt-native app17:41
mfraz74apachelogger: in what way?17:43
apacheloggerthat it opens a dialog saying that KDE requests auth even though the QApp got a perfectly fine appname set17:44
apacheloggerfrom kglobal it gets the maincomponent, for which, when valid it will try to get aboutdata, for which when not 0 itwill try to get a name17:46
apacheloggerthat name is "" leading to replacement with generic KDE17:46
apacheloggerthe component itself seems to be fine and actually contains the right name17:46
* apachelogger pokes into kglobal17:47
apacheloggerreturn d->mainComponent.isValid() ? d->mainComponent : *fakeComponent;17:47
* apachelogger thinks that KGlobal::mainComponent() cannot return an invalid component :S17:48
apacheloggeryet kwallet checks for that17:48
shadeslayerlemme show you something17:53
apacheloggerif it must be :P17:53
shadeslayerand http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/series17:54
shadeslayersee last line of second link and then patches folder17:54
shadeslayerno kubuntu_92_phonon_wakeups.diff17:54
apacheloggerthat happens when people do not use bzr-buildpackage17:55
apacheloggerand I have the feeling too many refuse to do that17:55
shadeslayerwell.. i dont.. but i do certainly double check what i do to my files :P17:55
apacheloggershadeslayer: use it17:55
shadeslayerok.. but for now.. im removing the line from series17:56
* apachelogger can fix0r kwallet \\o/17:56
shadeslayeroh finally17:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: is the file not in the package?17:57
shadeslayersweet sweet debuild17:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: no17:57
apacheloggeroh then17:57
apacheloggerrevert 17:57
shadeslayerrevert? 0_o17:57
apacheloggerlike revert the whole commit that broke and mail whoever committed that :P17:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: bzr help revert17:58
QuintasanI can't click on anying on destkop17:59
Quintasanwell, I can click but it doesn't react18:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: shadeslayer@kubuntu:/media/disk/KDE/runtime/ubuntu/debian$ bzr revert patches/kubuntu_92_phonon_wakeups.diff18:00
shadeslayerbzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: debian/patches/kubuntu_92_phonon_wakeups.diff18:00
shadeslayeri dont care about this so called patch :P18:03
apacheloggershadeslayer:   Giving a list of files will revert only those files.  Otherwise, all files18:04
apachelogger  will be reverted.  If the revision is not specified with '--revision', the18:04
apachelogger  last committed revision is used.18:04
apacheloggeroh indeed revert will not work anyway ^^18:04
shadeslayerapachelogger: i reverted about 10 revisions with just bzr revert debian/patches18:04
shadeslayerstill no luck18:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: whut?18:05
apacheloggershadeslayer: bzr blame :P18:05
apacheloggerJontheEchidna:  broke it18:05
apacheloggerin revision 15218:05
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=152&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 152 | Coolo: included X11 headers again in drag.cpp (my fault)18:05
apacheloggeras we can see at the 152 at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/series18:06
apacheloggeroh kde revision 152 ^^18:06
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=152&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 152 | Coolo: included X11 headers again in drag.cpp (my fault)18:06
apacheloggerkde revision 218:06
apacheloggerin the early days they committed in german you must know ^^18:06
shadeslayerwow.. no kde revision 2 :P18:06
shadeslayerhahaha :P18:07
shadeslayerwhat about kde revision 10018:07
apacheloggermaybe got lost in svn18:07
bulldog98kde revision 118:07
apacheloggerkde rev 418:07
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=4&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 4 | acinclude.m4 geaendert, QT_INCLUDES und X_INCLUDES eingefuehrt. Soll das einzelne -I verhindern.18:07
apacheloggerthere we go18:07
shadeslayerhehe... wheres revision 1-3 then? ;P18:07
apacheloggerkde rev 118:08
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1 | New repository initialized by cvs2svn.18:08
apacheloggeryou just have to use rev and not revision ;)18:08
bulldog98apachelogger++ for insider infos18:08
apacheloggeraight ^^18:08
bulldog98~karma apachelogger18:08
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shadeslayer~karma shadeslayer18:09
kubotukarma for shadeslayer: 118:09
apacheloggeranyone with KDE SVN access around?18:09
* apachelogger needs sponsor18:09
bulldog98~karma rekonq18:09
kuboturekonq has neutral karma18:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: i can ask one of my friends .. he has SVN access.18:09
bulldog98rekonq++ for being or new default browser18:09
apacheloggerif he dares committing into kdelibs :D18:09
shadeslayeruh... lemme ask him :P18:10
bulldog98~karma bulldog9818:10
kubotubulldog98 has neutral karma18:10
* apachelogger could also poke one of the people outside this channel but is too lazy to view his channel buffers which he closed for space saving reasons18:10
bulldog98apachelogger: ^^18:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw can you try and fix a python script ? for project neon18:11
shadeslayerbzr-svn plugin ...18:11
apacheloggeryou bun too one ftw!18:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/190755918:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: my friend aint replying :(18:12
apacheloggerbzr python is very different from normal python ;)18:13
apacheloggershadeslayer: whatis the bug anyway?18:13
yofelapachelogger: see the trace on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kdelibs/kde418:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: bzr wont import kdelibs from svn 18:13
shadeslayerand we need to import code into lp so that we can issue daily builds18:14
apacheloggerand why not?18:14
apacheloggerjefferai: is there any time estimate when core KDE will be imported into git?18:15
apacheloggerand be it read-only ^^18:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://imgur.com/QIGlT18:16
shadeslayersome magic with QGV18:16
shadeslayernow to add a way to display images....18:17
* rbelem needs review in http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/18:20
* apachelogger is wondering if kwallet should not try to get hold of KGlobal::activeComponent really18:20
rbelem~karma rbelem 18:21
kuboturbelem has neutral karma18:21
yofel~karma yofel18:21
kubotuyofel has neutral karma18:21
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: The translations will have to go through whatever process the KDE polish translation team has, but thanks for the contribution. :)18:25
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: go fix your runtime commit :P18:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also it would be super cool if you could sponsor a kde commit :)18:26
CIA-98[ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100724172714-r40d84lmru8gfc3y * debian/patches/series Quilt is not intelligent enough to remove a patch from debian/patches/series when it says it is removing the patch18:27
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: what needs sponsored?18:28
apacheloggerfix for kwallet18:28
apacheloggerstill QAing18:28
JontheEchidnaI thought you had an svn account?18:29
apacheloggerI am on vacation and left my keys in Graz18:29
shadeslayerapachelogger: you call this vacation?18:30
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: just pling me when ready, and I'll be happy to18:30
apacheloggershadeslayer: yes :P18:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: cool, thanks18:30
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: you haz broke kdebase-runtime in bzr ^_^18:30
* JontheEchidna points up18:31
shadeslayerah ok18:31
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: tell me this isn't an IRL trollface: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-23/north-korea-claims-innocence-over-sinking-of-south-s-ship-won-t-apologize.html18:40
apacheloggersyncdaemon eats my dbus18:41
apacheloggerhowever it can happy that a non-existant app occupies a dbus address18:42
apacheloggerI do not like it18:42
* apachelogger reboots -.-18:42
apacheloggermost terrific18:47
yofel~karma python18:48
kubotukarma for python: -1918:48
apacheloggerwhere does that crap come from anyway18:48
apacheloggerand why does it not handle cancel18:48
apacheloggerand why in the name of darth vader did no one tell me about it18:48
apacheloggerand 18:48
apacheloggerthis is just too much right now18:49
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/468530/18:51
apacheloggergoes to kdelibs/kdeui/util/kwallet.cpp18:51
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://imgur.com/MbeBe \o/18:51
apacheloggershould apply to trunk and 4.5 and 4.4 (not that last makes much sense)18:51
apacheloggerrationale is the following ... in a Qt-only app KGlobal will not have a real component, however KGlobal::hasComponent() returns always a valid component18:52
apacheloggerthe reason for that is that it has a fakecomponent in case the maincomponent is crap18:53
apacheloggerhasMainComponent OTOH is only true if there is a proper and valid maincomponent available18:53
apacheloggerso first checking that makes entirely more sense, because the KGlobal fakecomponent has a valid aboutdata object, but unfortunately that does not contain any useful name to use in kwallet18:54
apacheloggerso for a commit message something like...18:54
apacheloggerFix KWallet not using a proper name for Qt-only applications because KGlobal will return a valid (but fake) mainComponent with existing KAboutData object which does not contain a valid name. So KWallet should only try the KDE way of things (KComponentData & KAboutData) iff KGlobal has a real mainComponent.18:55
apacheloggerRiddell: ubuntuone-sso-login renders ubuntuone-auth pointless18:57
apacheloggerand me pretty much pretty pissed18:57
JontheEchidnaneat, a stable phonon-backend-vlc19:01
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: svn up'ing my copy of kdelibs19:01
JontheEchidnawill commit once done19:01
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: nice19:01
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: please also backport though :)19:01
shadeslayerheh ^^19:01
apacheloggerthis is pretty major IMHO because without it qt-only or apps without valid kaboutdata will be identified as "KDE" which is so not correct in most cases19:01
apacheloggerlike the ubuntu one syncd would do that ^^19:02
apacheloggerubuntu-sso looks like stinky old ubuntuone auth stuff rebranded19:03
* apachelogger loves a good rebranding19:03
apacheloggerit even has the same odd naming convention19:05
JontheEchidnakde svn 1154099 (once it appears on websvn...)19:07
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1154099&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 115409919:07
* JontheEchidna installs kdesdk-scripts19:08
JontheEchidnaalso kde svn 1154100 (backport)19:10
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1154100&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 115410019:10
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: cheers19:10
Quintasanwhat with stupid plasma?19:49
ScottKJontheEchidna: I find it a bit confusing that something called "qapt" needs KDE libs ...20:13
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ulyssesWhat happened to Choqok? It drops a lot of error messages…20:54
shadeslayerhttp://pastebin.ca/1907647 << any idea what that means?20:58
shadeslayerulysses: in maverick>20:58
ulyssesshadeslayer: yes20:58
shadeslayerulysses: do you have the new OAuth mechanism set up?20:58
ulyssesWhat's that?20:59
shadeslayerulysses: ok go to where you add accounts,remove the old ones and star afresh20:59
shadeslayeryou should see a change in authentication process20:59
apacheloggerhold on20:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: hmm?20:59
apacheloggerwhy is that necessary?20:59
apacheloggerand in any case it should not be21:00
apacheloggerand in even more cases this should be migrated21:00
ulyssesshadeslayer: I see now:P21:00
shadeslayerbecause now we get tokens instead of actually storing passwords21:00
apacheloggerin fact all21:00
shadeslayeri have no idea on how to migrate them :S21:00
ulyssesshadeslayer: thanks, it works21:01
ulysses~karma choqok21:02
kubotukarma for choqok: -121:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: afaik there is no mechanism to transition this21:03
apacheloggerthere is kconfig_update21:03
apacheloggerwhich allows apps authors to write any sort of script and pipe a config through that script21:03
apacheloggerof course that does not help if the author is too lazy to do that21:04
shadeslayerapachelogger: send a notice to @mtux on identi.ca :P21:05
shadeslayermaybe he might be able to answer why such a thing does not exsist21:05
apachelogger I cannot because my choqok throws errors21:06
shadeslayerand FTBFS is due to bad patch :P21:06
shadeslayerapachelogger: lol21:06
shadeslayeruse kubotu21:06
apacheloggerkubotu: identica dent @mtux @shadeslayer sez my choqok is broken because it does not migrate to oauth, why oh why :'(21:06
kubotustatus updated21:07
apacheloggerwhich makes me wonder21:07
apacheloggerkubotu does not use oauth IIRC21:07
apacheloggerso why is rbot working but choqok not21:07
apacheloggerah well21:07
shadeslayeruh.. stupid question.. but how do i derive a class from 2 parent classes21:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: because the old mechanism is still in place21:07
apacheloggershadeslayer: you want a political answer on that one?21:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: no... just a simple line explaining how to do it :P21:08
shadeslayeri forgot... 21:08
apacheloggeryou dont get that one from me :P21:08
apacheloggerkubotu: wp diamond problem21:08
kubotuResults for diamond problem: 1. Diamond problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_problem | 2. Diamond problem - Wikipedia: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_problem | 3. Multiple inheritance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_inheritance21:08
kubotu[1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia21:08
shadeslayerbanging my head against the keyboard for the past 10 mins trying to remember21:08
shadeslayer/home/shadeslayer/project/Imageview-build-desktop/../Imageview/mainwindow.h:24: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ‘QPushButton’ with no type21:10
shadeslayermakes me go mad21:10
apacheloggeryou are the missing an include very much21:10
shadeslayercode is here http://pastebin.ca/190765721:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: included QWidget21:10
shadeslayerand then derived my class from Qwidget as well21:11
apacheloggeryou do not really do that21:11
apacheloggerhells bells21:11
shadeslayerhehe :P21:11
apacheloggerI hear thunder but there is only pain21:11
apacheloggerfucking pain21:11
apacheloggerInherits QWidget.21:11
apacheloggerclass QMainWindow : public QWidget {...};21:12
shadeslayerthen why does QPushButton complain21:12
apacheloggerthat is what this class looks like21:12
shadeslayeryep ive seen one :D21:12
apacheloggerso why do you have class MainWindow : public QMainWindow, public QWidget21:12
apacheloggerdo you want me to have a stroke? Oo21:12
shadeslayerapachelogger: ive removed it ... :D21:13
apacheloggeryou are getting that error21:13
apacheloggertype QPushButton is unkown at line 24 and 2521:13
apachelogger[22:11:10] <apachelogger> you are the missing an include very much21:13
apachelogger^ that is what I said there :P21:13
apacheloggeralso I highly recommend web searching for "forward declaration in c++"21:14
shadeslayer #include <QPushButton> 21:14
apachelogger#include <QtGui/QMainWindow>21:15
apachelogger#include <QGraphicsScene>21:15
apachelogger#include <QGraphicsView>21:15
apachelogger#include <QGraphicsPixmapItem>21:15
apachelogger#include <QImage>21:15
apachelogger#include <QWidget>21:15
apachelogger#include <QMap>21:15
apacheloggerno pushbutton here sir21:15
apacheloggerand technically not even necessary, you just need to inform the compiler that there is a class of that type21:15
shadeslayer^^ hehe21:15
apacheloggerwhich would be "foward declaration in c++"21:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: so class QPushButton ?21:16
shadeslayeris all i need21:16
apacheloggerwith ; :P21:16
apacheloggerbut yess21:16
shadeslayerheh.. build failiures again21:16
shadeslayerone sec21:17
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/190766021:18
apachelogger[22:11:10] <apachelogger> you are the missing an include very much21:18
apachelogger[22:15:02] <apachelogger> also I highly recommend web searching for "forward declaration in c++"21:18
shadeslayerwhich include this time?21:19
apachelogger../Imageview/mainwindow.cpp:13: error: invalid use of incomplete type ‘struct QPushButton’21:19
yofelhm, include QPushButton in the .cpp ?21:19
apachelogger../Imageview/mainwindow.h:10: error: forward declaration of ‘struct QPushButton’21:19
yofelthat's how I know c++ forward decleration21:20
apacheloggerthe compiler currently goes ...21:20
shadeslayeryofel: im trying to forward declare21:20
apacheloggeryou promised me QPushButton21:20
apacheloggernow you use a flipping QPushButton21:20
apacheloggerbut still havent told me about that class21:20
apacheloggerdo you think I am a moron to not notice that21:20
apacheloggervorian: aloha o/21:20
* vorian needs a minion list to work on21:21
yofelshadeslayer: yes, like this you don't need the #include in the header, but you'll still need it in the .cpp file21:21
yofel~karma yofel21:22
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vorian~karma vorian 21:23
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yofelusing forward declaration like this makes compiling faster I think21:23
apacheloggerpreprocessing really21:23
apachelogger#iinclude does exactly that21:23
apacheloggerit will include the file there21:23
shadeslayerfor this you get to see my super secret app21:23
vorianquad cores make compiliing faster21:23
apacheloggerwhich really means copy its content there21:23
shadeslayervorian: haha.. right :D21:24
apacheloggerso you have file foo.h which includes bar.h and abc.h and if you include foo.h in abc.h it will really copy foo.h AND bar.h into abc.h21:24
shadeslayervorian: Quintasan has a overclocked 4Ghz processor.. *drool*21:24
vorianalmost as fast as mine :)21:24
shadeslayervorian: almost? :O21:24
shadeslayerwhat do you have?21:24
* yofel has an overclocked 3GHz processor21:24
apacheloggerbecause this obviously must be recursive, otherwise you could not do like public inherintance since abc would not know about bar if foo did not include bar and abc is inheriting from foo21:24
yofelthe i7 in my notebook is faster though :D21:25
* shadeslayer sulks with his T810021:25
* claydoh has an underclocked P4 -m 2.0 :)21:25
apacheloggermodel name      : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz21:25
apacheloggerbeat that :P21:25
shadeslayer^^ heh21:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: i can21:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: Pentium 3 500 Mhz21:25
apacheloggeroh you do not want me to drag out my arm :P21:25
voriandude, my atom borked21:25
shadeslayereven an a ARM is faster than a P321:25
* yofel looks at his OLD IBM PC 300 with 166MHz in the closet...21:26
shadeslayerP3 500 Mhz, 256 MB ram + Windoze XP.. thats whats my desktop right now21:26
shadeslayerand i used to play Counter Strike on it 2 years back :S21:26
shadeslayeron a 128 KBps connection21:26
shadeslayeryofel: like my super secret app? :P21:27
yofelyep, thanks for reminding me that I wanted to write a sudoku solver once...21:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: I highly doubt that21:28
shadeslayerapachelogger: highly doubt what?21:28
apacheloggermy arm being faster than a p3 :P21:28
shadeslayerarm >> p321:28
shadeslayerah :P21:28
shadeslayeri meant ARM :P21:28
shadeslayernot your physical arm :P21:29
shadeslayeri wonder what happened to my Push Buttons tho21:29
JontheEchidnaScottK: the library doesn't, but the source package does build a utility that uses kdelibs21:30
apacheloggershadeslayer: I get to 383 bogomips with my physical arm :P21:31
* apachelogger aint is not using no virtualization :P21:31
apacheloggershadeslayer: your buttons are in the QMainWindow most likely21:32
* shadeslayer checks21:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: oh you mean the image covers them?21:33
apacheloggerthey can be anywhere21:33
apacheloggersince you did not tell them where to be21:33
apacheloggeralso your app currently leaks memory21:33
shadeslayerwhee buttons21:33
shadeslayerapachelogger: its so small... where doe it leak :P21:33
apacheloggerin line 1021:33
apacheloggerin line 1221:33
apacheloggerin line 1421:34
apacheloggerin line 1521:34
shadeslayerof the last paste?21:34
apacheloggerin line 1621:34
apacheloggerin line 9 too21:34
apacheloggershadeslayer: yes21:34
apacheloggerit basically leaks everywhere it can leak21:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: im just trying to get acquainted with Qt 21:35
shadeslayerdont think i can code it perfectly :D21:35
apacheloggerI would first get acquainted with c++ TBH21:35
apacheloggerbut if you want the lecture the Qt way21:35
apacheloggerview = new QGraphicsView(scene);21:35
apacheloggerhere you tell the view that it is parented by scene and scene is parenting is view21:35
apacheloggerso if scene gets cleaned up it will cleanup view, because view is a child of scene21:36
apacheloggernext does not have a parent so will not be cleaned up ever21:36
apacheloggersame for previous21:36
apacheloggerproxy is parented by next, but next does not have a parent so...21:36
apacheloggerif you want to keep the app clean the Qt way21:37
apacheloggeryou need all qobjects to be at least parented by your instance of QMainWindow21:37
shadeslayerapachelogger: arent they already? 0_o21:37
shadeslayerin mainwindow.h21:38
apacheloggerwhat line?21:38
* shadeslayer points to all of it21:39
apachelogger    QGraphicsView *view;21:39
apacheloggerthat for example?21:39
shadeslayerso view is owned by mainwindow class21:40
apacheloggerno no no, that is not the way to talk about that21:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: I recommend reading about ... pointers in C, memory management in C (implying what the stack and heap are and how they are managed), scope and lifetime in C21:41
apacheloggerthen you will see why "owned by mainwindow class" is all wrong21:42
apacheloggerif at all... a pointer to the a location on the heap where a view instance is located is hold by an instance of mainwindow21:43
apacheloggerwell, technically it doesnt have to be on the heap, but in your case it is :)21:44
* yofel is reminded of the time he wrote and avl-tree class in c++, that was maybe 2 hours figuring out how that's implemented in c++ and another 2 spent with valgrind21:44
shadeslayeroh dont remind me of AVL trees....21:45
* shadeslayer hates AVL trees21:45
yofelthat was like 2h headbanging until I realized I was missing 1 delete...21:45
* apachelogger thinks that should be done in C21:47
yofelwell, I don't know enough C to write one that stores anything other than pointers :/21:48
apacheloggerit is like network protocols do not like being implemented in C++ ^^21:48
yofelC is like... *very* flexible if you learnt programming in ADA ^^21:48
* apachelogger pokes fregl with a C :)21:50
yofelargh, why is the setting for the 'navigation panel' in okular under 'settings' and not under 'view' o.O - I have to search for it every time...21:51
* apachelogger never noticed21:52
apacheloggerI however was pondering writing a good looking jabber client today ^^21:53
* yofel uses psi21:53
apacheloggerwhich looks like ewwww21:53
shadeslayerhahaha http://notalwaysright.com/its-okay-that-character-was-tone-deaf-anyway/1243 << so true21:53
yofelwell, true, but at least it works :P21:53
yofelshadeslayer: indeed *g*21:54
apacheloggerI will fork ubuntuone-auth21:55
apacheloggerwhich will become ubuntu-sso and replace&eat&beat&flame ubuntu-sso-client21:56
JontheEchidnanice, those *buntu people graphics are acutally getting used somewhere: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=3248 (kubuntu's there too)22:03
shadeslayerim off to sleep... cya later22:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common/revision/70 needs a changelog entry IMHO22:10
JontheEchidnaI was going to but I didn't know what the next version no. the next KDE release was. I know that it's .95 now, though ;)22:11
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: just use any and set series to UNRELEASED jr will have to worry about making it fit :P22:11
apacheloggeror me if he lets me do it again some day ^^22:12
CIA-98[kde-l10n-common] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100724211220-udemdjcy7xi217lh * debian/changelog Depend on libkdecore5 rather than on kdelibs5, since the latter is transitional now22:12
* apachelogger is wondering if he could get kwallet to view all u1 apps as u1 and not u1 foo, u1 bar etc.22:19
CIA-98[stable-1-2-lucid+kwallet] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100724212151-mosi5j3h62enrb1b * debian/ (changelog patches/01syncd-kwallet.patch) Set appname to "Ubuntu One Sync Daemon", now that kwally can detect it.22:21
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: Application: rekonq (rekonq), signal: Segmentation fault22:25
apacheloggeris that supposed to be the only output from dr konqi?22:25
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: not unless you're on an older kernel22:25
apacheloggerI upgraded yesterday22:26
apacheloggerLinux logos 2.6.35-10-generic #15-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 22 11:04:54 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux22:26
JontheEchidnathat shouldn't have the issue I was thinking of22:26
yofelhm, worked last time I had a crash 2 days ago...22:26
* apachelogger installs dbg symbols22:26
yofelapachelogger: does 'echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope' help?22:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: does your kubuntu-debug-installer thingy replace kpk?22:27
apacheloggerbecause that dialog makes me brrrrr22:27
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yeah, no more kpk22:27
yofelit's not that bad...22:27
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you didnt upload yet?22:27
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: also, now kdebase-runtime doesn't bring in kpackagekit ^.^22:27
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: qapt needs MIR22:27
apacheloggerah, ok22:28
apacheloggerError Type: 22:28
apacheloggerError Value: 'list' object has no attribute 'split'22:28
apacheloggerFile : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 2246, in 22:28
* apachelogger switches to aptcc again22:28
JontheEchidnayeah, the python-apt backend is totally broken in 0.622:28
JontheEchidnawould justify switching the default now imho22:29
apacheloggerlets switch22:29
apacheloggerwe can fix0r the shit out aptcc anyway22:30
apacheloggersince it is not python-- there is also less to fix :P22:30
apacheloggeroh dear22:34
apacheloggerecho 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope seems to work22:34
apacheloggeryofel, JontheEchidna: is that good or bad?22:34
yofelas that completely disables the ptrace protection22:35
apacheloggerkess will be most delighted22:35
apachelogger-s +e22:35
apacheloggeryofel: can you reopen a bug for that?22:36
Quintasanlet's test upgrading from lucid to kde22:36
* apachelogger feels his system suffer from retracing that rekonq crash + compiling stuff ^^22:36
Quintasanto maverick22:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we really should switch the dbg package stuff to dbgsym package && ddebs repo22:37
* yofel goes searching for the old ptrace bug..22:37
Quintasanapachelogger: and txwikinger is trying to persuade me that I am the problem, not python22:37
Quintasanit even screws up in launchpad imports22:38
yofelapachelogger: isn't that already switched? (and what about the ppa?)22:38
apacheloggerQuintasan: it opportunistically screws up the world?22:38
Quintasanshadeslayer: did you ask if could turn off the damn cache just for the one import?22:38
apacheloggeroh, opportunistic did not become as much of a persistent buzzword as I hoped for22:38
Quintasanapachelogger: no, it fucks up only in kdelibs merge22:38
Quintasanurgh, import22:38
Quintasanevery import b-sides kde svn works22:39
yofelQuintasan: in #launchpad they said you can't turn the cache off for launchpad imports22:39
apacheloggeryofel: the code I wrote for kubuntu-debug-installer chooses -dbg over -dbgsym && latter only if ddebs is already active22:39
Quintasanyofel: I'm damn sure that LP admins could turn it off for a second somehow22:39
Quintasanif they disabled it in the first place then there must be a way to enable it22:39
apacheloggerwhat should happen is add ddebs -> reload cache -> search for appropriate dbgsym package -> ask user to install -> when all done ask user whether to keep ddebs around or remove it again22:40
yofelapachelogger: aaah, that makes sense (I have ddebs always enabled)22:40
apacheloggerand about PPA ... there is a bug report about it22:40
* apachelogger has a feeling that his bugs never move a lot :/22:40
yofelapachelogger: like, use -dbgsym if version available and look for -dbg if not?22:41
apacheloggerwell it is not even mine, but one I care about ^^22:41
apacheloggeryofel: that also can lead to problems22:41
apacheloggermakes the whole algorithm a bit more tricky22:41
apacheloggerbecause dbgsym are per-binary whereas dbg is per-source22:41
yofelargh, right...22:41
apacheloggerso you need to insure that you do not have different ones of the same source22:41
yofelbug 60371622:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 603716 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot PTRACE subthreads due to Yama" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60371622:42
Quintasanyofel: C-C-C-Combo breaker22:42
* apachelogger notes that kpk refuses to install the dbg packages for rekonq :S22:42
apacheloggerand whatever browser was supposed to open launchpad refuses to22:45
ScottKapachelogger: Not opening Launchpad is a feature to avoid you suffering disappointment later.22:45
apacheloggerit also means my ptrace stays the broken22:46
apacheloggerin fact I do not see why one needs to break it to begin with22:46
apacheloggerbut TBH I barely understand decisions made in ubuntu these days22:46
apacheloggernow what do I write when reopening the report22:46
apacheloggerI STILL HAZ NO TRACY!!!22:47
ScottKapachelogger: I'd file a new one, not open that one again.  The specific issue I wrote about in that bug appears fixed (I get good backtraces from Dr. Konqi now).22:49
ScottKJust file it and assign it to Kees.  He'll look into it.22:49
apacheloggerwell already reopened -.-22:49
apacheloggershall I close again?22:50
ScottKAs an added bonus you don't infest my inbox with your concerns ...22:50
ScottK(if it's a new bug)22:50
apacheloggerI find it a bit worrying that rekonq is the first app to crash after using it the least and that you also got a crash for that bogger22:51
apacheloggerScottK: does it crash a lot?22:51
apacheloggerit sure did on lucid22:51
ScottKapachelogger: Yes.  I've already told Riddell I think we need to reconsider the default browswer change.22:52
apacheloggerand wow, apport is more a pain in the back than before22:53
apacheloggerI did not think this was possible22:53
yofelhey, we already have too many bugs filed, now people give up halfway... maybe we should ask pitti to add a big red button22:55
apacheloggerwell, I am all for less bugs22:56
apacheloggerthis is really a pain22:56
apacheloggerand not a constructive pain, like dr konqi is also a bit too naggy for me, but in a good way22:57
apacheloggerwith apport you do not even know where it wants to go with the questions22:57
yofelblame the one that wrote the hook22:57
yofelprobably got confused by python22:58
apacheloggerTimeout error22:58
apacheloggerand you know in what language that is written22:58
yofelthat's why I want apport to support bug filing by email, that at least doesn't time out...22:59
apacheloggerthat pretty much sums up what I think after a day of buntuwork22:59
apacheloggertimeout no 223:04
apacheloggerdata loss23:04
ScottKI'd appreciate it if someone who understands something about koffice would look at Bug #609592.23:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 609592 in koffice (Ubuntu) "kplato in Maverick and Lucid Backports missing "New" file option" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60959223:05
apachelogger>15 minutes on a bug report23:05
* yofel wonders if saving a report, unpacking it and adding the files as attachements on a bug filing mail would make sense..23:06
apacheloggeryofel: not reporting bugs makes most sense23:08
yofelwell, y'know, there are people that file bugs that it's too hard to file bugs...23:09
apacheloggerwell then23:14
apacheloggerubuntu: 18 minutes to bug report23:14
apacheloggerkde: under 523:14
yofeldebian: under 523:14
apacheloggeru1 protocol is changing it seems23:15
apacheloggerI wonder if anything is not changing with that thing23:15
apacheloggerthe desktopcouch formats are changing 23:15
apacheloggerand the protocol is changing23:15
apacheloggerand the auth stuff is changing23:16
apacheloggerI wonder23:16
apacheloggerit feels a lot like unstable software23:16
apacheloggeryou know, like in maverick where you get a lot of changes23:16
apacheloggerjust that u1 is actually getting sold to people23:16
yofelwell, ubuntu in general feels like you are shipping debian testing to customers (at least to me)23:18
yofeliirc you still can't handle fstab issues without enabling splash in lucid23:18
yofelmore like, you can *handle* them, but you don't see a prompt for it23:18
yofel(oh, and they re-tasked that bug to 10.04.2 recently)23:19
apacheloggerneed to spend more resources on macification obivously :P23:20
apacheloggerbed time23:21

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