[09:33] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I’m on for this weekend then I’ll have a 3 week pause
[09:38] <fregl> Sput: hello kitty is a proprietary brand, so we of course have not considered being the default desktop for their machines :P however, users should still run fluffy on those machines... they are free to use us. we just cannot embrace that stuff.
[09:41] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: ah ok
[09:41] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i just wanted to know if you were working on kdevplatform...
[09:41] <shadeslayer> also.. 
[09:42] <shadeslayer> ~ninjas
[09:42] <kubotu> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, shadeslayer, nixternal and Quintasan ... to the Batcave!
[09:42] <Quintasan> sup
[09:42] <shadeslayer> rc 3 in ktown
[09:42] <Quintasan> awesome
[09:42] <shadeslayer> or so my email says
[09:43] <shadeslayer> yep
[09:43] <shadeslayer> havent seen lex around much
[09:44] <Quintasan> Maybe he is busy
[09:44] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: are you updating wiki page?
[09:44] <shadeslayer> or should i do it
[09:45] <Quintasan> Do it, I take kdelibs
[09:45] <shadeslayer> :D
[09:45] <shadeslayer> i take whatever comes above kdelibs
[09:45] <shadeslayer> base i guess
[09:45] <Quintasan> base is after libs :P
[09:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i meant graphically :P
[09:47] <shadeslayer> in the dep graph base is above libs :P
[09:50] <Quintasan> oh
[09:50] <Quintasan> I C
[09:51] <shadeslayer> anyways... updated wiki.. taken some stuff feel free to take some stuff
[09:51] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[09:51] <Quintasan> cowbuilding libs already :P
[09:51] <shadeslayer> \o/
[09:51] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: is cowbuilder faster?
[09:52] <Quintasan> No base.tgz extracting
[09:52] <Quintasan> means faster :P
[09:52] <shadeslayer> ill get to this after lunch
[09:54] <shadeslayer> downloading base for now...
[09:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: do you have a script of sorts that downloads the tarball for you?
[09:57] <Quintasan> nop
[09:57] <Quintasan> downloading manually
[09:58] <bulldog98> Quintasan: wasn’t there a script in kubuntu-dev-tools?
[10:01] <Quintasan> batget?
[10:01] <Quintasan> dunno if that works
[10:08] <shadeslayer> its been removed
[10:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i also see svn files in the download folder :/
[10:11] <shadeslayer> i mean
[10:11] <shadeslayer> tarballs with svn in their versions
[10:20] <Quintasan> whatever
[10:20] <Quintasan> who cares bout that? :P
[10:20] <Quintasan> do it so apachelogger won't have an excuse not to fix python
[10:22] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[10:22]  * shadeslayer sees no point in making a new cowbuilder...
[10:22] <shadeslayer> itll take time.. :S
[10:25] <shadeslayer> wow... konqueror++ for not asking my password each time 
[10:29] <ulysses> grrr, 87 upgrade, 289,5 MiB to download
[10:32] <yofel_> oh, new rc :)
[10:32] <yofel> shadeslayer: need help?
[10:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: feel free to join
[10:32] <shadeslayer> do you have your ssh key on ftpubuntu?
[10:33] <shadeslayer> i mean.. on ktown
[10:33] <yofel> I don't think so
[10:33] <shadeslayer> we will have to set you up then... 
[10:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can/should we add keys to ktown?
[10:35] <shadeslayer> kdebase building ^_^
[10:36] <shadeslayer> kdelibs takes longest to build :P
[10:38] <Quintasan> kdelibs uploading to ppa
[10:38] <shadeslayer> :O
[10:38] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what are you running :P
[10:39] <Quintasan> Intel Core i5 overclocked to 4GHz
[10:39] <Quintasan> :P
[10:39] <yofel> ouch
[10:39] <shadeslayer> explains alot
[10:40] <Quintasan> though lex got a farm of computers :P
[10:46] <yofel> Quintasan: btw, can you upload http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/qtm_1.1.1-1build1.debdiff or just rebulid it yourself? I asked riddell but it seems like he forgot about it
[10:46] <yofel> (qtm is in universe)
[10:47] <Quintasan> yofel: okay, but in few minutes, need to go to shop
[10:47] <yofel> np
[10:47] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: btw, this solves problems with heat -> http://imagebin.ca/view/MLEZZL5U.html
[10:47] <yofel> nice :D
[10:48] <shadeslayer> show off... :P
[10:48] <Quintasan> :PP
[10:48]  * Quintasan could fry eggs on this
[11:03]  * Quintasan thought he forgot to bump verison, he did that automatically
[11:04] <Quintasan> I have been doing this for so long that I can't rembember if I've done this before uploading
[11:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: join lp
[11:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: nothing new
[11:11] <Quintasan> they always have something to do
[11:11] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[11:11] <Quintasan> like adding the Disscussion feature the other day
[11:12] <Quintasan> stupid and useless imo
[11:12] <shadeslayer> Opinion?
[11:12]  * shadeslayer stares at kdebase 4.4.95 in pbuilder
[11:15] <shadeslayer> oh goody http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/plasma-widget-fastuserswitch.html
[11:15] <shadeslayer> now i can request a sync
[11:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: so, what do I need if I want to help with the rc? (the only thing I know about that is the packaging session that you gave a while ago)
[11:22] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: first you need access to ktown
[11:22] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:22] <shadeslayer> but i dont know if i can add you
[11:22] <shadeslayer> ah apachelogger ^^
[11:22] <yofel> hi apachelogger
[11:23] <apachelogger> and right there we stop now and think about why that stuff is on ktown to begin with and what precise implications access to ktown has
[11:23] <apachelogger> yofel: aloha
[11:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bug 609448
[11:24] <shadeslayer> or if anyone else can sync that :P
[11:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you sponsor kdevplatform from https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[11:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and then kdevelop from https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra
[11:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pdbuilder is still setting up packages :/
[11:26] <Quintasan> TROLOLOLOL
[11:26] <Quintasan> try cowbuilder
[11:26] <Quintasan> really
[11:27] <shadeslayer> itll be same thing since itll download the packages and im on a crappy connection
[11:27] <yofel> aptcache?
[11:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am on ultra light travelling
[11:27]  * apachelogger got no gpg and no ssh keys withhim
[11:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :(
[11:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: hmm i do have it...
[11:28] <apachelogger> as for the pbuilder setup junk .... there is a general problem that you will have to setup the whole stack at least once, which of course is also terribly slow
[11:29] <apachelogger> so i would ponder creating a special pbuilder tar that includes qt4 or maybe all deps as required by kdelibs5-dev
[11:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cant we speed it up somehow?
[11:29] <apachelogger> that cuts surely half the time of package installation
[11:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: copy over exitsting maverick pbuilder, login into install, install packages, logout ???? PROFIT
[11:36]  * Quintasan goes to play HoN
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ill have to extract it first right?
[11:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: no
[11:36] <Quintasan> copy the tgz
[11:36] <shadeslayer> then rename to .cow
[11:36] <shadeslayer> ok
[11:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'm referring to setting up a pbuilder with qt packages
[11:36] <shadeslayer> ohhh
[11:37] <Quintasan> sudo pbuilder --basetgz [basetgz-location] --login --save-after --save-after-login
[11:37] <Quintasan> urgh
[11:38] <Quintasan> sudo pbuilder --basetgz [basetgz-location] --login --save-after-login
[11:38] <Quintasan> fixed
[11:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: as for cowbuilder
[11:38] <Quintasan> cp tgz somewhere
[11:38] <Quintasan> ungzip it
[11:38] <Quintasan> mkdir base.cow
[11:39] <Quintasan> mv contents of tgz to base.cow
[11:39] <Quintasan> and it should work right after that
[11:39] <shadeslayer> yep thought so...
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ill try it out
[11:40]  * apachelogger doesnt really get why that junk cannot be included as feature in pbuilder TBH
[11:40] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1907407
[11:40] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: why do we not have nepomuk debug packages?
[11:41] <shadeslayer> any ideas>
[11:41] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: kde cmake?
[11:42] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: yeah when building kdebase
[11:42] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: ok
[11:42] <shadeslayer> im looking at which packages,etc do i need
[11:42] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: kdelibs?
[11:42] <shadeslayer> shared-desktop-ontologies is in debian/control
[11:43] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: kdebase
[11:43] <shadeslayer> but it isnt picked up 0_o
[11:43] <shadeslayer> same for libglib2.0-dev
[11:43] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: kdelibs as dependence
[11:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because we do not have no nepomuk package?
[11:43] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: whut?
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i mean virtuoso debug packages.. sorry
[11:44] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: kdelibs-dev is an dependence. Am I right?
[11:44] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1907413
[11:44] <apachelogger> ddebs will
[11:44] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: yes
[11:44] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: kdelibs5-dev
[11:45] <shadeslayer> ohhhhh
[11:45] <shadeslayer> The following external packages *were* located on your system.
[11:45] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: seems kdelibs is done
[11:47] <shadeslayer> almost
[11:49] <shadeslayer> uh.. someone needs to update meta kde to 4.4.95
[11:50] <shadeslayer> ill do it :)
[11:57] <shadeslayer> kdebase uploaded
[11:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you might want to bump the version of kde-sc-dev-latest in your next kdelibs uploade
[11:57] <shadeslayer> *upload
[12:03] <Quintasan> yyy, there is not kde-sc-dev-latest in kdelibs control?
[12:04] <Quintasan> or I'm bind
[12:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: built and published in ppa, proceed
[12:06] <eMyller> just wanted to share: http://twitpic.com/286axn :)
[12:07] <Quintasan> Pushed up to revision 256.
[12:08] <Quintasan> nice number :3
[12:08] <Quintasan> eMyller: what happended to Amarok @_@
[12:08] <ulysses> eMyller: Only the File menu appears for me:(
[12:10] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/fast+user+switch?content=127462
[12:10] <Quintasan> update it, nao!
[12:10] <shadeslayer> omg
[12:10] <shadeslayer> \o/
[12:10] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: thanks for that
[12:12] <eMyller> Quintasan: just detached the docklets and made some cleanup. bad? :P
[12:13] <eMyller> ulysses: restart your apps :)
[12:13] <shadeslayer> i wonder if ofirk can make something like http://jointhegame.kde.org/
[12:13]  * eMyller hopes all this beauty will be available on Maverick
[12:13] <Quintasan> no, look damn neat
[12:13] <Quintasan> I want this like that too
[12:13] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:13] <Quintasan> brb trolling my X server
[12:14] <ulysses> eMyller: móthanks
[12:14] <eMyller> Quintasan: the best part is that it's transparent (not entirely, but through oxygen-transparent) and is still hide-able by tray icon. :D
[12:15] <eMyller> ulysses: welcome
[12:15] <eMyller> shadeslayer: i am a web developer as well, and was willing to help kde web stuff at weekends :)
[12:16] <shadeslayer> eMyller: uh kde or kubuntu stuff? :D
[12:16] <shadeslayer> eMyller: if you want to help kde, #kde-www would be the place
[12:16] <shadeslayer> if you want to help with kubuntu then talk to ofirk
[12:20] <eMyller> shadeslayer: both; i'm working on some apps for kde as well. but for web i meant kubuntu, sorry :P
[12:20] <Quintasan> eMyller: did you use that with Kubuntu packages?
[12:20] <eMyller> wow, rekonq/konqueror look damn beautiful with transparent/blurred UI + global menubar *-*
[12:20] <Quintasan> Kinda my X broke after installing that
[12:21] <eMyller> Quintasan: i collected some repos
[12:21] <eMyller> sec
[12:21] <shadeslayer> eMyller: ofirk then :D
[12:21] <eMyller> shadeslayer: it's quite a while i've been waiting for him here :|
[12:22] <Quintasan> wtf
[12:22] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:22] <Quintasan> how come new oxygen borked my KDM?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> eMyller: put it in the kubuntu devel Mailing list
[12:22] <apachelogger> http://kde-look.org/poll/index.php?poll=256
[12:23] <eMyller> Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/9X79VdBK my sources.list (for lucid)
[12:23] <Quintasan> eMyller: I'm asking about oxygen-transparent
[12:24] <eMyller> shadeslayer: it == what?
[12:24] <Quintasan> eMyller: Did you just execut the script and it worked?
[12:24] <shadeslayer> eMyller: your suggestions for the new kubuntu site
[12:24] <eMyller> Quintasan: yeah, it's there + a bunch of cool/up-to-date kde apps :)
[12:25] <eMyller> shadeslayer: i'm already following the visual part with sheytan_
[12:25] <shadeslayer> nice
[12:25] <eMyller> omg nerdgasm. oh oh
[12:26]  * eMyller wants to take dozens of screenshots
[12:27] <Quintasan> wtf, it broke my kdm
[12:27] <Quintasan> eMyller: are you using KDE 4.5 RC?
[12:27] <eMyller> Quintasan: yep
[12:27] <eMyller> Quintasan: reset kdm
[12:27] <Quintasan> sooo hmm
[12:27] <Quintasan> ha ha, doesn't work
[12:27] <Quintasan> :34
[12:27] <eMyller> actually i didn't see my kdm after installing this stuff...
[12:27] <eMyller> hope it works XD
[12:28] <eMyller> gonna test. brb
[12:29] <Quintasan> and that oxygen theme wouldn't start as well
[12:29] <Quintasan> How can he dare marking that unusable stuff 1.0 release?
[12:30] <Quintasan> looks like eMyller has broke kdm too
[12:30] <Quintasan> trolololololol
[12:30] <eMyller> Quintasan: normal.
[12:30] <Quintasan> wut?!
[12:30] <eMyller> hahah
[12:30] <eMyller> Quintasan: well, that's why i gave you my entire sources.list
[12:30] <Quintasan> okay, if that's how it wants to play then I'm going to bet it
[12:30] <eMyller> maybe something is missing there
[12:31] <eMyller> that collection is perfect. :)
[12:31] <Quintasan> beat*
[12:31]  * eMyller promises he will update his kubuntu gallery when he gets back
[12:31] <eMyller> gotta go, i'm 30min late :(
[12:31]  * eMyller doesn't want to leave his laptop
[12:33] <eMyller> shadeslayer: why is http://jointhegame.kde.org/ for? it seems incomplete...
[12:33] <shadeslayer> eMyller: for getting money :P
[12:33] <eMyller> mhmm... 'join the game' is not a good title then :P
[12:34] <eMyller> wow, was rekonq accepted for maverick?
[12:34] <shadeslayer> yep
[12:34] <eMyller> i'm using it from a ppa... does yours already play with form data?
[12:35] <eMyller> also i filled a bug about webkit rendering some days ago.. hope someone looked at it
[12:36] <sheytan_> hey hey hey :D
[12:36] <sheytan_> today is GIMPing day :D
[12:37] <eMyller> sheytan_: :D
[12:37] <sheytan_> still waiting for ofir
[12:37] <eMyller> sheytan_: i'm loving GIMP, btw. am getting used to the UI
[12:37] <sheytan_> but he said he's kinda busy
[12:37] <eMyller> :(
[12:37] <sheytan_> eMyller, told you :SD
[12:37] <sheytan_> :D
[12:37] <sheytan_> but i hope, when he comes, he will like my work :D
[12:38] <eMyller> sheytan_: check my last dents
[12:38] <sheytan_> eMyller saw your shot :D
[12:38] <sheytan_> only hide some icons in systray, that don't scall :D
[12:38] <sheytan_> would look better :)
[12:38] <eMyller> already did
[12:38] <eMyller> will update my picasa gallery tonight
[12:39] <eMyller> wow, my rekonq is out-to-date :\
[12:39] <Quintasan> h,,,,
[12:39] <eMyller> back to follow repo, NOW
[12:39] <Quintasan> reinstalling packages did not help
[12:39] <eMyller> Quintasan: nothing yet? :(
[12:39] <eMyller> what exactly is broken?
[12:42] <Quintasan> beats me
[12:42] <Quintasan> kdm won't start
[12:42] <Quintasan> and after it fails I can't switch to serial console for some wierd problem
[12:43] <Quintasan> that autologging is crap
[12:43] <Quintasan> yields no errors
[12:43] <Quintasan> :/
[12:45] <lumm> after my login screen nothing goes forward anymore as well.. got a blank plasma screen and nothing popsup :S
[12:46] <shadeslayer> off for a while.. 
[12:46] <Quintasan> eMyller: well, I can see the cursor blinking for a second
[12:48] <eMyller> wow :\
[12:48] <eMyller> Quintasan: did you try to upgrade from that sources.list?
[12:49] <eMyller> as i said, something may be missing at your system that some package from there would solve
[12:49] <Quintasan> (EE) Microsoft Natural® Ergonomic Keyboard 4000: failed to initialize for relative axes.
[12:49] <Quintasan> :/
[12:49] <Quintasan> what the heck
[12:52] <eMyller> lol
[12:53] <eMyller> kubuntu reinstallation detected. :(
[12:54] <eMyller> well guys, gotta go :\
[12:54] <eMyller> cya
[12:57] <Quintasan> wut
[12:57] <Quintasan> I realised my packages are 4.4.5
[12:58] <eMyller> oh. how come? Oo
[12:58] <Quintasan> hmm
[12:58] <Quintasan> hell no
[12:58] <Quintasan> they are 4.4.42
[12:58] <Quintasan> and the crap from repositories that I copy pasted from you eMyller is something like
[12:58] <Quintasan> let me check
[12:58] <bulldog98> can someone give me access to ktown so I can download kdesdk?
[12:59] <Quintasan> eMyller: 4.5~beta1
[12:59] <Quintasan> wtf
[12:59] <apachelogger> hm
[12:59] <apachelogger> I think there is a bug in kwallet
[12:59] <Quintasan> my kdm broke @_@
[12:59] <eMyller> Quintasan: that repos are being used here right now, and everything runs smoothly Oo
[13:03] <bulldog98> apachelogger: who has the right to give people access to ktown?
[13:03] <apachelogger> me
[13:03] <apachelogger> someone please give bulldog98 the kdesdk tarball
[13:03] <apachelogger> thx
[13:05] <Quintasan> borked kdm is borked
[13:05] <Quintasan> eMyller: installing whole crap now
[13:06] <Quintasan> somehow I get 300mb of new packages
[13:07] <eMyller> Quintasan: hope it works
[13:08] <Quintasan> I hope so too
[13:10] <Quintasan> well a reinstall for me when maverick comes
[13:10] <Quintasan> and a dd image ater all is configured
[13:16] <bulldog98> apachelogger: should I update the standards version in controlfiles?
[13:16] <bulldog98> to 3.9.0?
[13:24] <apachelogger> bulldog98: depends on whether the package is in debian
[13:25] <apachelogger> if you bump it and the package is in debian it might very well become a somewhat useless difference to the debian package and show up in the merge diffs
[13:25] <apachelogger> if it is not in debian you can happily change it
[13:26] <bulldog98> apachelogger: hm the package is in debian but it would make lintian happy
[13:26] <apachelogger> in fact you should also change it if you introduce a change that is only valid as per a newer standards version whereas an older version did actually discourage whatever you changed
[13:26] <apachelogger> bulldog98: screw lintian ;)
[13:27] <apachelogger> there is absolutely no use to bumping the standards version other than marking that this package is in line with the rules outlined in version 1.1.1
[13:28] <apachelogger> so if there is no particular reason why the package should be marked as following 1.2.0 one should just stick to 1.1.1
[13:28] <apachelogger> in a lot of cases debian will release a new package and we then merge the version bump anyway
[13:29] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok then no need to bump it in kdesdk
[13:31] <bulldog98> apachelogger: should I bump the dep on kde-sc-dev-latest to the latest version?
[13:35] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I would say so
[13:36] <CIA-98> [muon] jmthomas * 1153981 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/DependsTab.cpp sssh
[13:41] <Quintasan> eMyller: :(
[13:43] <Quintasan> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[13:44] <Quintasan> how the hell KdM could break by replacing oxygen theme?
[13:49] <Quintasan> fucking great, dhcp was broken by updating
[13:53] <Quintasan> gah
[13:53] <Quintasan> reinstalling
[14:05] <Quintasan> this is madness
[14:05] <Quintasan> I do not want to encrypt my home but I can't uncheck this crap
[14:06] <Quintasan> grrrrrr
[14:07]  * Quintasan will install Fedora in few seconds
[14:07] <Quintasan> I can't stand this
[14:09] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFF
[14:09]  * Quintasan goes to rage somewhere
[14:11] <Quintasan> + partmanager is sloooooooooooooow
[14:16] <mfraz74> My laptop is now on Kubuntu 10.10
[14:18] <mfraz74> Any idea why the desktop effects aren't enabled even though system settings says they are?
[14:20] <mfraz74> Not that impressed with rekonq
[14:37] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: should I translate playground-libs/qaptbatch.pot?
[15:44] <Quintasan> hey, I thought that crappy looking plymouth with propeitary drivers was fixed
[15:56] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hey, do you know what the hell strongswan plugin for network-manager is? with the kde frontend it pulls almost all gnome common files
[15:57] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: Hungarian translation of playground-sysadmin/muon.po is complete, I'm waiting for beta:) Then I'll write about Muon for Hungarian users
[15:57] <Quintasan> ulysses: care to link me to english po file?
[15:57] <Quintasan> I would do Polish tranlation
[15:59] <ulysses> Quintasan: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/playground-sysadmin/muon.pot
[16:00] <ulysses> the *.po will be generated from this *.pot if you use Lokalize
[16:01] <Quintasan> great!
[16:02] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: expect a link in few minutes
[16:02] <ulysses> ~karma muon
[16:02] <kubotu> karma for muon: 4
[16:02] <Quintasan> muon++
[16:02] <Quintasan> ~karma Quintasan 
[16:02] <kubotu> karma for Quintasan: 2
[16:02] <Quintasan> :<
[16:02] <Quintasan> ~karma muon
[16:02] <kubotu> karma for muon: 5
[16:02] <Quintasan> Quintasan++
[16:02] <Quintasan> ~karma Quintasan 
[16:02] <kubotu> karma for Quintasan: 2
[16:03] <ulysses> Quintasan++
[16:03] <ulysses> ~karma Quintasan 
[16:03] <kubotu> karma for Quintasan: 3
[16:03] <Quintasan> :3
[16:20] <Quintasan> great, got like 90% of it
[16:20] <Quintasan> back to setting up mah systemz
[16:21]  * apachelogger likes how pulseaudio eats 2% of his cpu
[16:22] <apachelogger> * Almost every class and method in the KDE API is supported. For most
[16:22] <apachelogger>   developers PyKDE4 is in good enough shape to start porting and
[16:22] <apachelogger>   development of PyKDE4 based programs.
[16:22] <apachelogger> Sime: ^ supposedly that is meant to say of PyKDE3 based programs?
[16:23] <apachelogger> (that is from the tips section in the pykde README)
[16:29] <apachelogger> wow, and then pulseaudio stutters when under a bit of load
[16:29] <apachelogger> very amazing piece of software right there
[16:29]  * apachelogger nukes
[16:31] <crimsun_> apachelogger: that isn't PA's fault, generally, but the kernel's
[16:31] <crimsun_> apachelogger: specifically: the sound driver
[16:31] <crimsun_> apachelogger: so, please, file a bug: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[16:31]  * crimsun_ mutters about people blaming the wrong piece of software for suckage
[16:32] <apachelogger> works before - use pulse - doesnt work
[16:32] <apachelogger> must be the kernel's fault clearly :P
[16:33] <crimsun_> apachelogger: it is. pulse fundamentally has a different model of buffering semantics that requires the sound driver to be much more precise.
[16:33] <crimsun_> I've probably produced dozens of these sorts of patches.
[16:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: highfive
[16:35] <Quintasan> this Muon is getting somewhere
[16:35] <Quintasan> not like that retarded package kit
[16:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna++
[16:36] <apachelogger> crimsun_: I wonder how that can still be an issue on the inspiron mini 10?
[16:36] <apachelogger> surely there must be quite some bug reports on a device that can be ordered preinstalled with ubuntu
[16:37] <crimsun_> apachelogger: there are tons of issues with those codecs
[16:37] <apachelogger> crimsun_: so it is not like fix it once somewhere in the driver and be done with it?
[16:37] <crimsun_> thankfully I won't have to worry about them as much now that Canonical finally has a full-time employee doing sound enablement
[16:37] <crimsun_> apachelogger: correct
[16:38] <apachelogger> hmmm
[16:38] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: around?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> shadeslayer++
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ~karma sheytan
[16:39] <kubotu> karma for sheytan: 1
[16:39] <shadeslayer> :S
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ~karma shadeslayer
[16:39] <kubotu> shadeslayer has neutral karma
[16:39] <shadeslayer> aww... :P
[16:39] <sheytan> shadeslayer what is this thing ? :D
[16:40] <shadeslayer> kubotu:  help karma 
[16:40] <kubotu> karma module: Listens to everyone's chat. <thing>++/<thing>-- => increase/decrease karma for <thing>, karma for <thing>? => show karma for <thing>, karmastats => show stats. Karma is a community rating system - only in-channel messages can affect karma and you cannot adjust your own.
[16:40] <apachelogger> crimsun_: sounds like supremacy in the future is not an option because of loads of effort necessary to make it work properly at all ^^
[16:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok .. im starting a project... Kubuntu Software Center... but i need guidance :P
[16:40] <crimsun_> apachelogger: it isn't PA's fault the driver sucks :P
[16:41] <apachelogger> yeah, I know, it is just, to make the vison of PA come true one needs to fix the sucky driver
[16:41] <apachelogger> which other architectures happily work around
[16:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any suggestions ? should i go ahead with it ? ^_^
[16:41] <apachelogger> so from a short-term efficiency I would not think PA is a good business choice :)
[16:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not know what you mean by that TBH
[16:41] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:41] <crimsun_> apachelogger: hence the request for the ubuntu-bug output ;)
[16:41] <sheytan> oh, ok :D
[16:42] <apachelogger> crimsun_: aye ^^
[16:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://equima.pfpfree.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Screenshot-Ubuntu-Software-Center-Pulseaudio.png
[16:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter
[16:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 2 questions ... a) how to maintain it b) do you have any sort of concept yet?
[16:44] <apachelogger> oh hold on
[16:44] <apachelogger> make that 1. and 2.
[16:44]  * apachelogger always gets this wrong ^^
[16:45] <shadeslayer> well... im thinking of using libqapt from JontheEchidna for the backend
[16:45] <shadeslayer> so i think that answers 1)
[16:45] <apachelogger> nope
[16:45] <apachelogger> you see
[16:45] <shadeslayer> and ill try to maintain the UI part....
[16:45] <apachelogger> ubuntu software center is based on python-apt
[16:45] <apachelogger> and python-apt is around for years
[16:45] <apachelogger> yet it took the main authr of the ubuntu software center quite a long time to get things going
[16:46] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:46] <apachelogger> if you target cloning the ubuntu UI you basically talk about a lot of custom widgeting
[16:47] <apachelogger> if you target using the full efficiency of Qt/KDE then even more so
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ok...
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ill just make my image viewer app then :P
[16:50] <apachelogger> I do not want to discurage you, but I strongly urge you to first very carefully consider what you want to end up with and if that is maintainable
[16:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you could redo our upgrade tool btw ;)
[16:52]  * apachelogger upgraded yesterday and was shocked
[16:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: upgrade tool? update-manager-kde ?
[16:53] <apachelogger> yes
[16:53] <apachelogger> well, technically the UI that gets utilized
[16:53] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ive seen it once :P
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ok.. where is the code stored?
[16:53] <apachelogger> lp:update-manager
[16:54] <shadeslayer> for kde ui as well>
[16:55] <apachelogger> yes
[16:55] <apachelogger> it is one of those tools where kdeui and gtkui are very much alike
[16:56] <apachelogger> which results in some creepy code form what I have seen
[16:56] <apachelogger> ;)
[16:56] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:56] <apachelogger> one of the most obvious things that need to be changed is convert to a fullfeatured KDialog with standard buttons
[16:56] <apachelogger> currently it is a QDialog which makes things a lot more scary than they need to be IMHO
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ok...
[16:57] <shadeslayer> i see python :(
[16:58] <apachelogger> oh right that was the other reason for creepyness ;)
[16:58]  * shadeslayer does not know python :(
[16:59] <apachelogger> you better learns it then, knowing python can be the reason to get employed at google ;)
[16:59] <Sime> shadeslayer: It is certainly not hard to learn, although people around here seem to have trouble.
[16:59] <shadeslayer> Sime: the problem is not that,im currently trying to learn Qt/kdelibs
[17:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh... :P
[17:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Qt is Qt and KDE is KDE in either language
[17:00] <apachelogger> you just get them in languagespecific favors
[17:00] <apachelogger> like in Python you will not have to mess with kwallet::wallet::openwallet returnign a pointer that you need to kill ;)
[17:02] <aguja85_> i want to mount a ntfs partition every time i boot, do i have to modify the fstab file?
[17:02] <apachelogger> !support
[17:03]  * apachelogger is now building kdelibs on an atom '
[17:03] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah.. after it builds, the atom will die ... :P
[17:05] <apachelogger> no no
[17:05] <apachelogger> I already built Qt on an atom ^^
[17:05] <apachelogger> and something else that was incredibly big
[17:05] <apachelogger> that was one PITA though
[17:08]  * apachelogger is wondering why the default deco comes with that horrible app icon on the top left
[17:08] <apachelogger> destroys the look big time
[17:12] <apachelogger> !info kaboom
[17:12] <apachelogger> whut? Oo
[17:13] <apachelogger> srsly scary
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok weird thing with patch, when i patch manually with -p1 it works, but when using with debuild it fails 
[17:16] <mfraz74> upgraded my laptop to maverick today and when I log on desktop effects are disabled. I have to disable and then re-enable them in system settings for them to work
[17:16] <apachelogger> eh
[17:16] <apachelogger> ehhhhhh
[17:16] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhh
[17:16] <apachelogger> uhhhhhhhhh
[17:16] <apachelogger> me@logos:~$ ls /usr/share/wallpapers/Ethais/contents/images/
[17:16] <apachelogger> 1920x1200.png
[17:16]  * apachelogger needs to write a mail
[17:16] <apachelogger> no wonder plasma and konqueror started all sluggish
[17:17] <apachelogger> my oh my
[17:17] <shadeslayer> yep.. same thing here
[17:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: quilt does not patch with p1 but p0
[17:17] <apachelogger> you need to add -p1 to the series file to apply with p1 IIRC
[17:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no i used patch -p1 <patch
[17:17] <apachelogger> quilt uses patch -p0 :P
[17:17] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[17:17] <apachelogger> I think someone strippes the other sizes from ethias
[17:18] <shadeslayer> i thought it used p1
[17:18] <apachelogger> possibly to get it fit on the CD
[17:18] <apachelogger> here is another reason why I dislike CD distribution in 2010
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm, maybe you are right
[17:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just try quilt :P
[17:19] <mfraz74> why 1920 x 1200 though?
[17:19] <apachelogger> quilt push PATCHNAME
[17:19] <apachelogger> mfraz74: largest available size
[17:19] <apachelogger> so it can be scaled down while preventing additional blurryness on larger sizes caused from scaling up
[17:19] <Quintasan> hmm
[17:19] <apachelogger> of course scaling that size down to say something that fits a netbook eats your cpu bigtime
[17:20] <apachelogger> and add a netbook like cpu to the mix
[17:20] <apachelogger> and voila
[17:20] <Quintasan> notification started to pop up on the top of screen
[17:20] <Quintasan> wtf
[17:20] <apachelogger> kubuntu is so slow I can go drink a bottle of wine while it starts konqueror
[17:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1907535
[17:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah :(
[17:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Wouldn't including a faken SVG instead help?
[17:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: isnt kubuntu_93_fix_username_icon_alignment.diff upstream'd?
[17:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that would also require scaling
[17:21] <Quintasan> I have 1920x1080 and those stupid wallpapers look like crap
[17:21] <Quintasan> man, so include all sizes then
[17:21] <apachelogger> and SVG scaling is possibly even more expensive than that size of png
[17:21] <Quintasan> in differenc packages
[17:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no in that one package
[17:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I think that splitting artwork further would be good idea
[17:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh.. Hunk #1 succeeded at 39 with fuzz 2 (offset 9 lines). and Hunk #1 FAILED at 13.
[17:22] <apachelogger> on the one hand we go on about how we love kde artwork and thus do not apply our own
[17:22] <apachelogger> and on the other we render that very artwork to crap
[17:22] <Quintasan> noone wants to download wallpaper for 800x600 nowadas
[17:22] <Quintasan> nowadays*
[17:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i would like to split it in terms of resolution
[17:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I am not sure that ethias even has a 800x600
[17:23] <Quintasan> I was about to propse that
[17:23] <shadeslayer> i dont like to download 128 MB's of wallpaper 
[17:23] <shadeslayer> when 100 MB of it is useless
[17:23] <apachelogger> ethias is not 128 MiB?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the whole kdeartwork
[17:23] <Quintasan> kdebase-artwork-wallapers-1280x1024 or so
[17:23] <apachelogger> we do not install kdeartwork?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yep
[17:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: but in case someone wants this
[17:23] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:24] <Quintasan> it's retarded to push all available sizes
[17:24] <shadeslayer> totally
[17:24] <apachelogger> actually it is not
[17:24] <Quintasan> or just give the user damn SVG
[17:24] <apachelogger> because the idea is that your screen size might change
[17:24] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:24] <apachelogger> say you plug in another display
[17:24] <Quintasan> >might chage
[17:24] <Quintasan> use SVG Luke!
[17:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for people on laptops as well?
[17:24] <apachelogger> or say you have a laptop and plug it onto a large screen
[17:24] <apachelogger> or a beamer
[17:24] <apachelogger> or a TV set
[17:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: even more on a mobile computer than on a workstation
[17:25] <shadeslayer> i dont think the wallpaper res changes on doing that  ^
[17:25] <Quintasan> haha, I've tried plugging to a TV set, shit didn't work ^_^
[17:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does
[17:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer++
[17:25] <apachelogger> because plasma changes
[17:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plasma changes? :P
[17:25] <apachelogger> in fact that is the only reason for the existence of kephal
[17:25] <shadeslayer> how is that possible 
[17:25] <apachelogger> plasma hooks up with kephal and kephal emits singals upon resolution changes
[17:25] <apachelogger> plasma then rescales to new size
[17:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plug'n'play ;)
[17:26] <Quintasan> shit doesn't work with TV's
[17:26] <Quintasan> at least here
[17:26] <apachelogger> in a virtual machine with custom scaling you see that very well
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hahaha :P
[17:26] <apachelogger> when you resize your vm window plasma will repaint to fit the new containment restraints
[17:27] <Quintasan> I have a Panasonic Vier with 1920x1080 Plasma from LiveCD was 1024x768 and the Kubuntu install failed to launch KDM on my display
[17:27] <Quintasan> + semi colon between 1920x1080 and Plasma
[17:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that is more a X driver problem
[17:27] <Quintasan> I can agree but tons of users report it working
[17:27] <Quintasan> with the same series of Radeon cards
[17:28] <apachelogger> series != precise model :P
[17:28] <Quintasan> but the driver is exacly the same
[17:28] <apachelogger> a lot of hardware vendors change essential parts of the hardware without rebranding
[17:28] <apachelogger> or adding a rev somewhere where you do not see it
[17:28] <Quintasan> well, brb, creating dd of my /
[17:28] <Quintasan> :P
[17:29] <apachelogger> IIRC this was a problem with the sansa thingies where one revision worked with rockbox and the other did not because essentially the whole arch was different
[17:29] <apachelogger> yet same name + some revision
[17:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is it possible to load a patch that does not apply and edit the file where it gets rejected and then refresh the same patch?
[17:36] <apachelogger> I am not sure I understand
[17:37] <shadeslayer> ok like : quilt push -a;<patch gets rejected>;<hack file to fix patch>;quilt refresh
[17:37] <shadeslayer> will that work?
[17:37] <apachelogger> no
[17:37] <apachelogger> push will not apply a rejected patch
[17:37] <apachelogger> you have to pass a special argument to get it leave the rejects
[17:38] <shadeslayer> --leave-rejects
[17:38] <apachelogger> and -f I think
[17:38] <apachelogger> not sure
[17:38]  * apachelogger always does it the manual way and recreates the patch altogether ;)
[17:39] <shadeslayer>  --leave-rejects Leave around the reject files patch produced, even if the patch is not actually applied.
[17:39] <apachelogger> well you want it applied, otherwise the refresh will not work
[17:39] <apachelogger> unless
[17:39] <apachelogger> you edit the reject files
[17:40] <apachelogger> then remove the offensive section from the patch, quilt push and add the edited sections via regular modifcations and quilt refresh
[17:40] <apachelogger> which IMHO sounds more complicated ^^
[17:41] <apachelogger> oho
[17:41] <apachelogger> now that is curious
[17:41] <apachelogger> something is very odd with kwallet when called from a qt-native app
[17:43] <mfraz74> apachelogger: in what way?
[17:44] <apachelogger> that it opens a dialog saying that KDE requests auth even though the QApp got a perfectly fine appname set
[17:45] <apachelogger> aha!
[17:46] <apachelogger> from kglobal it gets the maincomponent, for which, when valid it will try to get aboutdata, for which when not 0 itwill try to get a name
[17:46] <apachelogger> that name is "" leading to replacement with generic KDE
[17:46] <apachelogger> however
[17:46] <apachelogger> the component itself seems to be fine and actually contains the right name
[17:47]  * apachelogger pokes into kglobal
[17:47] <apachelogger> return d->mainComponent.isValid() ? d->mainComponent : *fakeComponent;
[17:48]  * apachelogger thinks that KGlobal::mainComponent() cannot return an invalid component :S
[17:48] <apachelogger> yet kwallet checks for that
[17:53] <shadeslayer> wtf
[17:53] <apachelogger> righto
[17:53] <shadeslayer> lemme show you something
[17:53] <apachelogger> if it must be :P
[17:53] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/files/head:/debian/patches/
[17:54] <shadeslayer> and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/series
[17:54] <shadeslayer> see last line of second link and then patches folder
[17:54] <shadeslayer> no kubuntu_92_phonon_wakeups.diff
[17:54] <shadeslayer> :/
[17:55] <apachelogger> that happens when people do not use bzr-buildpackage
[17:55] <apachelogger> and I have the feeling too many refuse to do that
[17:55] <apachelogger> aha!
[17:55] <shadeslayer> well.. i dont.. but i do certainly double check what i do to my files :P
[17:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: use it
[17:56] <shadeslayer> ok.. but for now.. im removing the line from series
[17:56]  * apachelogger can fix0r kwallet \\o/
[17:57] <shadeslayer> oh finally
[17:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is the file not in the package?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> sweet sweet debuild
[17:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no
[17:57] <apachelogger> oh then
[17:57] <apachelogger> revert 
[17:57] <shadeslayer> revert? 0_o
[17:57] <apachelogger> like revert the whole commit that broke and mail whoever committed that :P
[17:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bzr help revert
[17:58] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:59] <Quintasan> WTF
[17:59] <Quintasan> I can't click on anying on destkop
[18:00] <Quintasan> well, I can click but it doesn't react
[18:00] <Quintasan> :/
[18:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: shadeslayer@kubuntu:/media/disk/KDE/runtime/ubuntu/debian$ bzr revert patches/kubuntu_92_phonon_wakeups.diff
[18:00] <shadeslayer> bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: debian/patches/kubuntu_92_phonon_wakeups.diff
[18:03] <shadeslayer> i dont care about this so called patch :P
[18:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:   Giving a list of files will revert only those files.  Otherwise, all files
[18:04] <apachelogger>   will be reverted.  If the revision is not specified with '--revision', the
[18:04] <apachelogger>   last committed revision is used.
[18:04] <apachelogger> oh indeed revert will not work anyway ^^
[18:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i reverted about 10 revisions with just bzr revert debian/patches
[18:04] <shadeslayer> still no luck
[18:05] <apachelogger> ohh
[18:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whut?
[18:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bzr blame :P
[18:05] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:05] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/revision/152
[18:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna:  broke it
[18:05] <apachelogger> in revision 152
[18:06] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:06] <apachelogger> as we can see at the 152 at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/series
[18:06] <apachelogger> :P
[18:06] <apachelogger> oh kde revision 152 ^^
[18:06] <apachelogger> kde revision 2
[18:06] <shadeslayer> :o
[18:06] <apachelogger> explosion
[18:06] <apachelogger> in the early days they committed in german you must know ^^
[18:06] <shadeslayer> wow.. no kde revision 2 :P
[18:07] <shadeslayer> hahaha :P
[18:07] <shadeslayer> what about kde revision 100
[18:07] <apachelogger> maybe got lost in svn
[18:07] <bulldog98> kde revision 1
[18:07] <apachelogger> kde rev 4
[18:07] <apachelogger> there we go
[18:07] <apachelogger> ;)
[18:07] <shadeslayer> hehe... wheres revision 1-3 then? ;P
[18:08] <bulldog98> kde++
[18:08] <apachelogger> kde rev 1
[18:08] <shadeslayer> \o/
[18:08] <apachelogger> you just have to use rev and not revision ;)
[18:08] <bulldog98> apachelogger++ for insider infos
[18:08] <apachelogger> aight ^^
[18:08] <bulldog98> ~karma apachelogger
[18:08] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 15
[18:09] <shadeslayer> ~karma shadeslayer
[18:09] <kubotu> karma for shadeslayer: 1
[18:09] <apachelogger> anyone with KDE SVN access around?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:09]  * apachelogger needs sponsor
[18:09] <bulldog98> ~karma rekonq
[18:09] <kubotu> rekonq has neutral karma
[18:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i can ask one of my friends .. he has SVN access.
[18:09] <bulldog98> rekonq++ for being or new default browser
[18:09] <apachelogger> if he dares committing into kdelibs :D
[18:10] <shadeslayer> uh... lemme ask him :P
[18:10] <bulldog98> ~karma bulldog98
[18:10] <kubotu> bulldog98 has neutral karma
[18:10]  * apachelogger could also poke one of the people outside this channel but is too lazy to view his channel buffers which he closed for space saving reasons
[18:10] <apachelogger> yay
[18:11] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ^^
[18:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw can you try and fix a python script ? for project neon
[18:11] <shadeslayer> bzr-svn plugin ...
[18:11] <apachelogger> yay
[18:11] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/Qo3kTW.html
[18:11] <apachelogger> you bun too one ftw!
[18:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1907559
[18:12] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my friend aint replying :(
[18:13] <apachelogger> bzr python is very different from normal python ;)
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whatis the bug anyway?
[18:13] <yofel> apachelogger: see the trace on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/kdelibs/kde4
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bzr wont import kdelibs from svn 
[18:14] <shadeslayer> and we need to import code into lp so that we can issue daily builds
[18:14] <apachelogger> and why not?
[18:15] <apachelogger> jefferai: is there any time estimate when core KDE will be imported into git?
[18:15] <apachelogger> and be it read-only ^^
[18:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imgur.com/QIGlT
[18:16] <shadeslayer> some magic with QGV
[18:17] <apachelogger> nice
[18:17] <shadeslayer> now to add a way to display images....
[18:20]  * rbelem needs review in http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/4320/
[18:20] <rbelem> :-)
[18:20]  * apachelogger is wondering if kwallet should not try to get hold of KGlobal::activeComponent really
[18:21] <rbelem> ~karma rbelem 
[18:21] <kubotu> rbelem has neutral karma
[18:21] <rbelem> :-D
[18:21] <yofel> ~karma yofel
[18:21] <kubotu> yofel has neutral karma
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: The translations will have to go through whatever process the KDE polish translation team has, but thanks for the contribution. :)
[18:26] <apachelogger> aha!
[18:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: go fix your runtime commit :P
[18:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also it would be super cool if you could sponsor a kde commit :)
[18:27] <CIA-98> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100724172714-r40d84lmru8gfc3y * debian/patches/series Quilt is not intelligent enough to remove a patch from debian/patches/series when it says it is removing the patch
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what needs sponsored?
[18:28] <apachelogger> fix for kwallet
[18:28] <apachelogger> still QAing
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> I thought you had an svn account?
[18:29] <apachelogger> I am on vacation and left my keys in Graz
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you call this vacation?
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> aah
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: just pling me when ready, and I'll be happy to
[18:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes :P
[18:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: cool, thanks
[18:30] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: you haz broke kdebase-runtime in bzr ^_^
[18:31]  * JontheEchidna points up
[18:31] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: tell me this isn't an IRL trollface: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-23/north-korea-claims-innocence-over-sinking-of-south-s-ship-won-t-apologize.html
[18:41] <apachelogger> sweet
[18:41] <apachelogger> syncdaemon eats my dbus
[18:42] <apachelogger> however it can happy that a non-existant app occupies a dbus address
[18:42] <apachelogger> I do not like it
[18:42]  * apachelogger reboots -.-
[18:47] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/LO5y2GFx.html
[18:47] <apachelogger> most terrific
[18:47] <apachelogger> hm
[18:47] <apachelogger> alright
[18:48] <apachelogger> ubuntu-sso-login
[18:48] <apachelogger> ftw
[18:48] <apachelogger> python
[18:48] <apachelogger> ftw
[18:48] <yofel> ~karma python
[18:48] <kubotu> karma for python: -19
[18:48] <apachelogger> where does that crap come from anyway
[18:48] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/2flvV-iA.html
[18:48] <apachelogger> and why does it not handle cancel
[18:48] <apachelogger> and why in the name of darth vader did no one tell me about it
[18:48] <apachelogger> and 
[18:49] <apachelogger> ohh
[18:49] <apachelogger> this is just too much right now
[18:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/468530/
[18:51] <apachelogger> goes to kdelibs/kdeui/util/kwallet.cpp
[18:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imgur.com/MbeBe \o/
[18:51] <apachelogger> should apply to trunk and 4.5 and 4.4 (not that last makes much sense)
[18:52] <apachelogger> rationale is the following ... in a Qt-only app KGlobal will not have a real component, however KGlobal::hasComponent() returns always a valid component
[18:53] <apachelogger> the reason for that is that it has a fakecomponent in case the maincomponent is crap
[18:53] <apachelogger> hasMainComponent OTOH is only true if there is a proper and valid maincomponent available
[18:54] <apachelogger> so first checking that makes entirely more sense, because the KGlobal fakecomponent has a valid aboutdata object, but unfortunately that does not contain any useful name to use in kwallet
[18:54] <apachelogger> so for a commit message something like...
[18:55] <apachelogger> Fix KWallet not using a proper name for Qt-only applications because KGlobal will return a valid (but fake) mainComponent with existing KAboutData object which does not contain a valid name. So KWallet should only try the KDE way of things (KComponentData & KAboutData) iff KGlobal has a real mainComponent.
[18:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: ubuntuone-sso-login renders ubuntuone-auth pointless
[18:57] <apachelogger> and me pretty much pretty pissed
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> neat, a stable phonon-backend-vlc
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: svn up'ing my copy of kdelibs
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> will commit once done
[19:01] <apachelogger> kthx
[19:01] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: nice
[19:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please also backport though :)
[19:01] <shadeslayer> heh ^^
[19:01] <apachelogger> this is pretty major IMHO because without it qt-only or apps without valid kaboutdata will be identified as "KDE" which is so not correct in most cases
[19:02] <apachelogger> like the ubuntu one syncd would do that ^^
[19:02] <apachelogger> hm
[19:03] <apachelogger> ubuntu-sso looks like stinky old ubuntuone auth stuff rebranded
[19:03]  * apachelogger loves a good rebranding
[19:05] <apachelogger> oh
[19:05] <apachelogger> wow
[19:05] <apachelogger> it even has the same odd naming convention
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1154099 (once it appears on websvn...)
[19:08]  * JontheEchidna installs kdesdk-scripts
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> also kde svn 1154100 (backport)
[19:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: cheers
[19:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[19:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna++
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> :)
[19:49] <Quintasan> GRGRGRGRGR
[19:49] <Quintasan> what with stupid plasma?
[20:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I find it a bit confusing that something called "qapt" needs KDE libs ...
[20:30] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:54] <ulysses> What happened to Choqok? It drops a lot of error messages…
[20:58] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1907647 << any idea what that means?
[20:58] <shadeslayer> ulysses: in maverick>
[20:58] <ulysses> shadeslayer: yes
[20:58] <shadeslayer> ulysses: do you have the new OAuth mechanism set up?
[20:59] <ulysses> What's that?
[20:59] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:59] <shadeslayer> ulysses: ok go to where you add accounts,remove the old ones and star afresh
[20:59] <shadeslayer> you should see a change in authentication process
[20:59] <apachelogger> oi
[20:59] <apachelogger> hold on
[20:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm?
[20:59] <apachelogger> why is that necessary?
[21:00] <apachelogger> and in any case it should not be
[21:00] <apachelogger> and in even more cases this should be migrated
[21:00] <ulysses> shadeslayer: I see now:P
[21:00] <shadeslayer> because now we get tokens instead of actually storing passwords
[21:00] <apachelogger> in fact all
[21:00] <shadeslayer> i have no idea on how to migrate them :S
[21:01] <ulysses> shadeslayer: thanks, it works
[21:01] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:01] <apachelogger> wtf
[21:01] <apachelogger> choqok--
[21:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:02] <ulysses> ~karma choqok
[21:02] <kubotu> karma for choqok: -1
[21:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afaik there is no mechanism to transition this
[21:03] <apachelogger> there is kconfig_update
[21:03] <apachelogger> which allows apps authors to write any sort of script and pipe a config through that script
[21:04] <apachelogger> of course that does not help if the author is too lazy to do that
[21:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: send a notice to @mtux on identi.ca :P
[21:05] <shadeslayer> maybe he might be able to answer why such a thing does not exsist
[21:06] <apachelogger>  I cannot because my choqok throws errors
[21:06] <shadeslayer> and FTBFS is due to bad patch :P
[21:06] <ulysses> ^^
[21:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol
[21:06] <shadeslayer> use kubotu
[21:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: identica dent @mtux @shadeslayer sez my choqok is broken because it does not migrate to oauth, why oh why :'(
[21:07] <kubotu> status updated
[21:07] <apachelogger> which makes me wonder
[21:07] <apachelogger> kubotu does not use oauth IIRC
[21:07] <apachelogger> so why is rbot working but choqok not
[21:07] <apachelogger> ah well
[21:07] <shadeslayer> uh.. stupid question.. but how do i derive a class from 2 parent classes
[21:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because the old mechanism is still in place
[21:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you want a political answer on that one?
[21:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no... just a simple line explaining how to do it :P
[21:08] <shadeslayer> i forgot... 
[21:08] <apachelogger> you dont get that one from me :P
[21:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp diamond problem
[21:08] <kubotu> Results for diamond problem: 1. Diamond problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_problem | 2. Diamond problem - Wikipedia: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_problem | 3. Multiple inheritance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_inheritance
[21:08] <kubotu> [1] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[21:08] <shadeslayer> banging my head against the keyboard for the past 10 mins trying to remember
[21:10] <shadeslayer> /home/shadeslayer/project/Imageview-build-desktop/../Imageview/mainwindow.h:24: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ‘QPushButton’ with no type
[21:10] <shadeslayer> makes me go mad
[21:10] <apachelogger> you are the missing an include very much
[21:10] <shadeslayer> code is here http://pastebin.ca/1907657
[21:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: included QWidget
[21:11] <shadeslayer> and then derived my class from Qwidget as well
[21:11] <apachelogger> ahhhhhhh
[21:11] <apachelogger> ohhh
[21:11] <apachelogger> oo
[21:11] <apachelogger> waah
[21:11] <apachelogger> you do not really do that
[21:11] <apachelogger> hells bells
[21:11] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[21:11] <apachelogger> I hear thunder but there is only pain
[21:11] <apachelogger> fucking pain
[21:11] <apachelogger> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qmainwindow.html
[21:11] <apachelogger> Inherits QWidget.
[21:12] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:12] <apachelogger> class QMainWindow : public QWidget {...};
[21:12] <shadeslayer> then why does QPushButton complain
[21:12] <apachelogger> that is what this class looks like
[21:12] <shadeslayer> yep ive seen one :D
[21:12] <apachelogger> so why do you have class MainWindow : public QMainWindow, public QWidget
[21:12] <apachelogger> do you want me to have a stroke? Oo
[21:13] <apachelogger> also
[21:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ive removed it ... :D
[21:13] <apachelogger> you are getting that error
[21:13] <apachelogger> because
[21:13] <apachelogger> type QPushButton is unkown at line 24 and 25
[21:13] <apachelogger> [22:11:10] <apachelogger> you are the missing an include very much
[21:13] <apachelogger> ^ that is what I said there :P
[21:14] <shadeslayer> wtf
[21:14] <apachelogger> also I highly recommend web searching for "forward declaration in c++"
[21:14] <shadeslayer>  #include <QPushButton> 
[21:15] <apachelogger> #include <QtGui/QMainWindow>
[21:15] <apachelogger> #include <QGraphicsScene>
[21:15] <apachelogger> #include <QGraphicsView>
[21:15] <apachelogger> #include <QGraphicsPixmapItem>
[21:15] <apachelogger> #include <QImage>
[21:15] <apachelogger> #include <QWidget>
[21:15] <apachelogger> #include <QMap>
[21:15] <apachelogger> no pushbutton here sir
[21:15] <apachelogger> and technically not even necessary, you just need to inform the compiler that there is a class of that type
[21:15] <shadeslayer> ^^ hehe
[21:15] <apachelogger> which would be "foward declaration in c++"
[21:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so class QPushButton ?
[21:16] <shadeslayer> is all i need
[21:16] <apachelogger> with ; :P
[21:16] <apachelogger> but yess
[21:16] <shadeslayer> heh.. build failiures again
[21:17] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1907659
[21:17] <apachelogger> error?
[21:17] <shadeslayer> one sec
[21:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1907660
[21:18] <apachelogger> [22:11:10] <apachelogger> you are the missing an include very much
[21:18] <apachelogger> [22:15:02] <apachelogger> also I highly recommend web searching for "forward declaration in c++"
[21:19] <shadeslayer> which include this time?
[21:19] <apachelogger> ../Imageview/mainwindow.cpp:13: error: invalid use of incomplete type ‘struct QPushButton’
[21:19] <yofel> hm, include QPushButton in the .cpp ?
[21:19] <apachelogger> ../Imageview/mainwindow.h:10: error: forward declaration of ‘struct QPushButton’
[21:20] <yofel> that's how I know c++ forward decleration
[21:20] <apachelogger> the compiler currently goes ...
[21:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: im trying to forward declare
[21:20] <apachelogger> DUDE
[21:20] <apachelogger> you promised me QPushButton
[21:20] <apachelogger> now you use a flipping QPushButton
[21:20] <apachelogger> but still havent told me about that class
[21:20] <vorian> DUDE!
[21:20] <apachelogger> do you think I am a moron to not notice that
[21:20] <yofel> lol
[21:20] <apachelogger> vorian: aloha o/
[21:21] <vorian> HOLA!
[21:21]  * vorian needs a minion list to work on
[21:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: yes, like this you don't need the #include in the header, but you'll still need it in the .cpp file
[21:22] <shadeslayer> oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[21:22] <shadeslayer> yofel++
[21:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger++
[21:22] <yofel> ~karma yofel
[21:22] <kubotu> karma for yofel: 1
[21:22] <yofel> XD
[21:22] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:23] <vorian> ~karma vorian 
[21:23] <kubotu> karma for vorian: 5
[21:23] <vorian> woot
[21:23] <yofel> using forward declaration like this makes compiling faster I think
[21:23] <apachelogger> preprocessing really
[21:23] <apachelogger> see
[21:23] <apachelogger> #iinclude does exactly that
[21:23] <apachelogger> it will include the file there
[21:23] <shadeslayer> for this you get to see my super secret app
[21:23] <vorian> quad cores make compiliing faster
[21:23] <apachelogger> which really means copy its content there
[21:23] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/edQXE
[21:23] <yofel> right
[21:23] <vorian> :P
[21:24] <shadeslayer> vorian: haha.. right :D
[21:24] <apachelogger> so you have file foo.h which includes bar.h and abc.h and if you include foo.h in abc.h it will really copy foo.h AND bar.h into abc.h
[21:24] <shadeslayer> vorian: Quintasan has a overclocked 4Ghz processor.. *drool*
[21:24] <vorian> almost as fast as mine :)
[21:24] <shadeslayer> vorian: almost? :O
[21:24] <shadeslayer> what do you have?
[21:24]  * yofel has an overclocked 3GHz processor
[21:24] <apachelogger> because this obviously must be recursive, otherwise you could not do like public inherintance since abc would not know about bar if foo did not include bar and abc is inheriting from foo
[21:24] <vorian> x2
[21:25] <yofel> the i7 in my notebook is faster though :D
[21:25]  * shadeslayer sulks with his T8100
[21:25]  * claydoh has an underclocked P4 -m 2.0 :)
[21:25] <apachelogger> model name      : Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270   @ 1.60GHz
[21:25] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:25] <apachelogger> beat that :P
[21:25] <shadeslayer> ^^ heh
[21:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i can
[21:25] <vorian> ha
[21:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Pentium 3 500 Mhz
[21:25] <apachelogger> oh you do not want me to drag out my arm :P
[21:25] <vorian> dude, my atom borked
[21:25] <shadeslayer> even an a ARM is faster than a P3
[21:26] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:26]  * yofel looks at his OLD IBM PC 300 with 166MHz in the closet...
[21:26] <shadeslayer> P3 500 Mhz, 256 MB ram + Windoze XP.. thats whats my desktop right now
[21:26] <shadeslayer> and i used to play Counter Strike on it 2 years back :S
[21:26] <shadeslayer> on a 128 KBps connection
[21:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: like my super secret app? :P
[21:27] <yofel> yep, thanks for reminding me that I wanted to write a sudoku solver once...
[21:28] <apachelogger> ohm
[21:28] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[21:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I highly doubt that
[21:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: highly doubt what?
[21:28] <apachelogger> my arm being faster than a p3 :P
[21:28] <shadeslayer> arm >> p3
[21:28] <shadeslayer> ah :P
[21:28] <shadeslayer> i meant ARM :P
[21:29] <shadeslayer> not your physical arm :P
[21:29] <apachelogger> G
[21:29] <shadeslayer> i wonder what happened to my Push Buttons tho
[21:30] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1907667
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: the library doesn't, but the source package does build a utility that uses kdelibs
[21:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I get to 383 bogomips with my physical arm :P
[21:31]  * apachelogger aint is not using no virtualization :P
[21:31] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: your buttons are in the QMainWindow most likely
[21:32]  * shadeslayer checks
[21:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh you mean the image covers them?
[21:33] <apachelogger> dunno
[21:33] <apachelogger> they can be anywhere
[21:33] <apachelogger> since you did not tell them where to be
[21:33] <apachelogger> also your app currently leaks memory
[21:33] <shadeslayer> whee buttons
[21:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its so small... where doe it leak :P
[21:33] <shadeslayer> *does
[21:33] <apachelogger> in line 10
[21:33] <apachelogger> in line 12
[21:34] <apachelogger> in line 14
[21:34] <apachelogger> in line 15
[21:34] <shadeslayer> of the last paste?
[21:34] <apachelogger> in line 16
[21:34] <apachelogger> in line 9 too
[21:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[21:34] <apachelogger> well
[21:34] <apachelogger> it basically leaks everywhere it can leak
[21:34] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im just trying to get acquainted with Qt 
[21:35] <shadeslayer> dont think i can code it perfectly :D
[21:35] <apachelogger> I would first get acquainted with c++ TBH
[21:35] <apachelogger> but if you want the lecture the Qt way
[21:35] <apachelogger> view = new QGraphicsView(scene);
[21:35] <apachelogger> here you tell the view that it is parented by scene and scene is parenting is view
[21:36] <apachelogger> so if scene gets cleaned up it will cleanup view, because view is a child of scene
[21:36] <shadeslayer> yep
[21:36] <apachelogger> next does not have a parent so will not be cleaned up ever
[21:36] <apachelogger> same for previous
[21:36] <shadeslayer> oic
[21:36] <apachelogger> proxy is parented by next, but next does not have a parent so...
[21:37] <apachelogger> so...
[21:37] <apachelogger> if you want to keep the app clean the Qt way
[21:37] <apachelogger> you need all qobjects to be at least parented by your instance of QMainWindow
[21:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: arent they already? 0_o
[21:38] <apachelogger> no
[21:38] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/1907672
[21:38] <shadeslayer> in mainwindow.h
[21:38] <apachelogger> what line?
[21:39]  * shadeslayer points to all of it
[21:39] <apachelogger> ehm
[21:39] <apachelogger>     QGraphicsView *view;
[21:39] <apachelogger> that for example?
[21:40] <shadeslayer> yep
[21:40] <shadeslayer> so view is owned by mainwindow class
[21:41] <apachelogger> no
[21:41] <apachelogger> no no no, that is not the way to talk about that
[21:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I recommend reading about ... pointers in C, memory management in C (implying what the stack and heap are and how they are managed), scope and lifetime in C
[21:42] <apachelogger> then you will see why "owned by mainwindow class" is all wrong
[21:43] <apachelogger> if at all... a pointer to the a location on the heap where a view instance is located is hold by an instance of mainwindow
[21:44] <apachelogger> well, technically it doesnt have to be on the heap, but in your case it is :)
[21:44]  * yofel is reminded of the time he wrote and avl-tree class in c++, that was maybe 2 hours figuring out how that's implemented in c++ and another 2 spent with valgrind
[21:45] <shadeslayer> oh dont remind me of AVL trees....
[21:45]  * shadeslayer hates AVL trees
[21:45] <yofel> that was like 2h headbanging until I realized I was missing 1 delete...
[21:47]  * apachelogger thinks that should be done in C
[21:47] <shadeslayer> shadeslayer->learn(C++,Qt,Ruby)
[21:48] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:48] <yofel> well, I don't know enough C to write one that stores anything other than pointers :/
[21:48] <apachelogger> it is like network protocols do not like being implemented in C++ ^^
[21:48] <yofel> C is like... *very* flexible if you learnt programming in ADA ^^
[21:50]  * apachelogger pokes fregl with a C :)
[21:51] <yofel> argh, why is the setting for the 'navigation panel' in okular under 'settings' and not under 'view' o.O - I have to search for it every time...
[21:52]  * apachelogger never noticed
[21:53] <apachelogger> I however was pondering writing a good looking jabber client today ^^
[21:53]  * yofel uses psi
[21:53] <apachelogger> which looks like ewwww
[21:53] <apachelogger> :P
[21:53] <shadeslayer> hahaha http://notalwaysright.com/its-okay-that-character-was-tone-deaf-anyway/1243 << so true
[21:53] <yofel> well, true, but at least it works :P
[21:54] <yofel> shadeslayer: indeed *g*
[21:55] <apachelogger> so
[21:55] <apachelogger> I will fork ubuntuone-auth
[21:56] <apachelogger> which will become ubuntu-sso and replace&eat&beat&flame ubuntu-sso-client
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> nice, those *buntu people graphics are acutally getting used somewhere: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=3248 (kubuntu's there too)
[22:06] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep... cya later
[22:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-dev-tools/kde-l10n-common/revision/70 needs a changelog entry IMHO
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> I was going to but I didn't know what the next version no. the next KDE release was. I know that it's .95 now, though ;)
[22:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just use any and set series to UNRELEASED jr will have to worry about making it fit :P
[22:12] <apachelogger> or me if he lets me do it again some day ^^
[22:12] <CIA-98> [kde-l10n-common] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20100724211220-udemdjcy7xi217lh * debian/changelog Depend on libkdecore5 rather than on kdelibs5, since the latter is transitional now
[22:19] <apachelogger> hm
[22:19]  * apachelogger is wondering if he could get kwallet to view all u1 apps as u1 and not u1 foo, u1 bar etc.
[22:21] <CIA-98> [stable-1-2-lucid+kwallet] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100724212151-mosi5j3h62enrb1b * debian/ (changelog patches/01syncd-kwallet.patch) Set appname to "Ubuntu One Sync Daemon", now that kwally can detect it.
[22:25] <apachelogger> ehm
[22:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Application: rekonq (rekonq), signal: Segmentation fault
[22:25] <apachelogger> is that supposed to be the only output from dr konqi?
[22:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: not unless you're on an older kernel
[22:26] <apachelogger> I upgraded yesterday
[22:26] <apachelogger> Linux logos 2.6.35-10-generic #15-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 22 11:04:54 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> hrmhrm
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> that shouldn't have the issue I was thinking of
[22:26] <yofel> hm, worked last time I had a crash 2 days ago...
[22:26]  * apachelogger installs dbg symbols
[22:27] <yofel> apachelogger: does 'echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope' help?
[22:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does your kubuntu-debug-installer thingy replace kpk?
[22:27] <apachelogger> because that dialog makes me brrrrr
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, no more kpk
[22:27] <yofel> it's not that bad...
[22:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you didnt upload yet?
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: also, now kdebase-runtime doesn't bring in kpackagekit ^.^
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: qapt needs MIR
[22:28] <apachelogger> ah, ok
[22:28] <apachelogger> Error Type: 
[22:28] <apachelogger> Error Value: 'list' object has no attribute 'split'
[22:28] <apachelogger> File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 2246, in 
[22:28] <apachelogger> main()
[22:28] <apachelogger> right
[22:28] <apachelogger> python--
[22:28]  * apachelogger switches to aptcc again
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah, the python-apt backend is totally broken in 0.6
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> would justify switching the default now imho
[22:29] <apachelogger> lets switch
[22:30] <apachelogger> we can fix0r the shit out aptcc anyway
[22:30] <apachelogger> since it is not python-- there is also less to fix :P
[22:34] <apachelogger> oh dear
[22:34] <apachelogger> echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope seems to work
[22:34] <apachelogger> yofel, JontheEchidna: is that good or bad?
[22:34] <yofel> bad
[22:35] <yofel> as that completely disables the ptrace protection
[22:35] <apachelogger> yay
[22:35] <apachelogger> kess will be most delighted
[22:35] <apachelogger> -s +e
[22:35] <yofel> yep
[22:36] <apachelogger> yofel: can you reopen a bug for that?
[22:36] <Quintasan> well
[22:36] <Quintasan> let's test upgrading from lucid to kde
[22:36]  * apachelogger feels his system suffer from retracing that rekonq crash + compiling stuff ^^
[22:36] <Quintasan> gah
[22:36] <Quintasan> to maverick
[22:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we really should switch the dbg package stuff to dbgsym package && ddebs repo
[22:37]  * yofel goes searching for the old ptrace bug..
[22:37] <Quintasan> apachelogger: and txwikinger is trying to persuade me that I am the problem, not python
[22:37] <Quintasan> python--
[22:38] <Quintasan> it even screws up in launchpad imports
[22:38] <yofel> apachelogger: isn't that already switched? (and what about the ppa?)
[22:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it opportunistically screws up the world?
[22:38] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: did you ask if could turn off the damn cache just for the one import?
[22:38] <apachelogger> oh, opportunistic did not become as much of a persistent buzzword as I hoped for
[22:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no, it fucks up only in kdelibs merge
[22:38] <Quintasan> urgh, import
[22:39] <Quintasan> every import b-sides kde svn works
[22:39] <yofel> Quintasan: in #launchpad they said you can't turn the cache off for launchpad imports
[22:39] <apachelogger> yofel: the code I wrote for kubuntu-debug-installer chooses -dbg over -dbgsym && latter only if ddebs is already active
[22:39] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm damn sure that LP admins could turn it off for a second somehow
[22:39] <Quintasan> if they disabled it in the first place then there must be a way to enable it
[22:40] <apachelogger> what should happen is add ddebs -> reload cache -> search for appropriate dbgsym package -> ask user to install -> when all done ask user whether to keep ddebs around or remove it again
[22:40] <yofel> apachelogger: aaah, that makes sense (I have ddebs always enabled)
[22:40] <Quintasan> s/disabled/enabled
[22:40] <apachelogger> and about PPA ... there is a bug report about it
[22:40]  * apachelogger has a feeling that his bugs never move a lot :/
[22:41] <yofel> apachelogger: like, use -dbgsym if version available and look for -dbg if not?
[22:41] <apachelogger> well it is not even mine, but one I care about ^^
[22:41] <apachelogger> yofel: that also can lead to problems
[22:41] <apachelogger> makes the whole algorithm a bit more tricky
[22:41] <yofel> hm
[22:41] <apachelogger> because dbgsym are per-binary whereas dbg is per-source
[22:41] <yofel> argh, right...
[22:41] <apachelogger> so you need to insure that you do not have different ones of the same source
[22:42] <apachelogger> hm
[22:42] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[22:42] <yofel> bug 603716
[22:42] <Quintasan> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[22:42] <Quintasan> yofel: C-C-C-Combo breaker
[22:42]  * apachelogger notes that kpk refuses to install the dbg packages for rekonq :S
[22:42] <yofel> haha
[22:45] <apachelogger> and whatever browser was supposed to open launchpad refuses to
[22:45] <apachelogger> man
[22:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not opening Launchpad is a feature to avoid you suffering disappointment later.
[22:46] <apachelogger> it also means my ptrace stays the broken
[22:46] <apachelogger> in fact I do not see why one needs to break it to begin with
[22:46] <apachelogger> but TBH I barely understand decisions made in ubuntu these days
[22:46] <apachelogger> now what do I write when reopening the report
[22:47] <apachelogger> I STILL HAZ NO TRACY!!!
[22:49] <apachelogger> hm
[22:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'd file a new one, not open that one again.  The specific issue I wrote about in that bug appears fixed (I get good backtraces from Dr. Konqi now).
[22:49] <ScottK> Just file it and assign it to Kees.  He'll look into it.
[22:49] <apachelogger> well already reopened -.-
[22:50] <apachelogger> shall I close again?
[22:50] <apachelogger> also
[22:50] <ScottK> Please.
[22:50] <ScottK> As an added bonus you don't infest my inbox with your concerns ...
[22:50] <ScottK> (if it's a new bug)
[22:51] <apachelogger> I find it a bit worrying that rekonq is the first app to crash after using it the least and that you also got a crash for that bogger
[22:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: does it crash a lot?
[22:51] <apachelogger> it sure did on lucid
[22:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  I've already told Riddell I think we need to reconsider the default browswer change.
[22:53] <apachelogger> ok
[22:53] <apachelogger> and wow, apport is more a pain in the back than before
[22:53] <apachelogger> I did not think this was possible
[22:55] <yofel> hey, we already have too many bugs filed, now people give up halfway... maybe we should ask pitti to add a big red button
[22:56] <apachelogger> well, I am all for less bugs
[22:56] <apachelogger> but
[22:56] <apachelogger> this is really a pain
[22:57] <apachelogger> and not a constructive pain, like dr konqi is also a bit too naggy for me, but in a good way
[22:57] <apachelogger> with apport you do not even know where it wants to go with the questions
[22:57] <yofel> blame the one that wrote the hook
[22:58] <yofel> probably got confused by python
[22:58] <apachelogger> Timeout error
[22:58] <yofel> hahahaha
[22:58] <apachelogger> now
[22:58] <apachelogger> launchpad--
[22:58] <apachelogger> and you know in what language that is written
[22:58] <apachelogger> right
[22:58] <apachelogger> python--
[22:59] <yofel> that's why I want apport to support bug filing by email, that at least doesn't time out...
[22:59] <apachelogger> that pretty much sums up what I think after a day of buntuwork
[23:04] <apachelogger> timeout no 2
[23:04] <apachelogger> oh
[23:04] <apachelogger> data loss
[23:05] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if someone who understands something about koffice would look at Bug #609592.
[23:05] <apachelogger> >15 minutes on a bug report
[23:06]  * yofel wonders if saving a report, unpacking it and adding the files as attachements on a bug filing mail would make sense..
[23:06] <apachelogger> yay
[23:08] <apachelogger> yofel: not reporting bugs makes most sense
[23:09] <yofel> well, y'know, there are people that file bugs that it's too hard to file bugs...
[23:14] <apachelogger> well then
[23:14] <apachelogger> ubuntu: 18 minutes to bug report
[23:14] <apachelogger> kde: under 5
[23:14] <yofel> debian: under 5
[23:15] <apachelogger> hm
[23:15] <apachelogger> u1 protocol is changing it seems
[23:15] <apachelogger> I wonder if anything is not changing with that thing
[23:15] <apachelogger> the desktopcouch formats are changing 
[23:15] <apachelogger> and the protocol is changing
[23:16] <apachelogger> and the auth stuff is changing
[23:16] <apachelogger> I wonder
[23:16] <apachelogger> it feels a lot like unstable software
[23:16] <apachelogger> you know, like in maverick where you get a lot of changes
[23:16] <apachelogger> just that u1 is actually getting sold to people
[23:18] <yofel> well, ubuntu in general feels like you are shipping debian testing to customers (at least to me)
[23:18] <yofel> iirc you still can't handle fstab issues without enabling splash in lucid
[23:18] <yofel> more like, you can *handle* them, but you don't see a prompt for it
[23:19] <yofel> (oh, and they re-tasked that bug to 10.04.2 recently)
[23:20] <apachelogger> need to spend more resources on macification obivously :P
[23:21] <apachelogger> oh
[23:21] <apachelogger> bed time
[23:21] <apachelogger> o/
[23:21] <apachelogger> nini
[23:21] <yofel> cu