[09:33] shadeslayer: I’m on for this weekend then I’ll have a 3 week pause [09:38] Sput: hello kitty is a proprietary brand, so we of course have not considered being the default desktop for their machines :P however, users should still run fluffy on those machines... they are free to use us. we just cannot embrace that stuff. [09:41] bulldog98: ah ok [09:41] bulldog98: i just wanted to know if you were working on kdevplatform... [09:41] also.. [09:42] ~ninjas [09:42] apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, shadeslayer, nixternal and Quintasan ... to the Batcave! [09:42] sup [09:42] rc 3 in ktown [09:42] awesome [09:42] or so my email says [09:43] yep [09:43] havent seen lex around much [09:44] Maybe he is busy [09:44] Quintasan: are you updating wiki page? [09:44] or should i do it [09:45] Do it, I take kdelibs [09:45] :D [09:45] i take whatever comes above kdelibs [09:45] base i guess [09:45] base is after libs :P [09:47] Quintasan: i meant graphically :P [09:47] in the dep graph base is above libs :P [09:50] oh [09:50] I C [09:51] anyways... updated wiki.. taken some stuff feel free to take some stuff [09:51] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [09:51] cowbuilding libs already :P [09:51] \o/ [09:51] Quintasan: is cowbuilder faster? [09:52] No base.tgz extracting [09:52] means faster :P === shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Kubuntu Meeting, Monday 19:00UTC, #ubuntu-meeting | http://tinyurl.com/28vjuea | KDE 4.5 Packaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging#preview === shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Kubuntu Meeting, Monday 19:00UTC, #ubuntu-meeting | http://tinyurl.com/28vjuea | KDE 4.5 Packaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [09:52] ill get to this after lunch [09:54] downloading base for now... [09:55] Quintasan: do you have a script of sorts that downloads the tarball for you? [09:57] nop [09:57] downloading manually [09:58] Quintasan: wasn’t there a script in kubuntu-dev-tools? [10:01] batget? [10:01] dunno if that works [10:08] its been removed [10:11] Quintasan: i also see svn files in the download folder :/ [10:11] i mean [10:11] tarballs with svn in their versions [10:20] whatever [10:20] who cares bout that? :P [10:20] do it so apachelogger won't have an excuse not to fix python [10:22] ^_^ [10:22] * shadeslayer sees no point in making a new cowbuilder... [10:22] itll take time.. :S [10:25] wow... konqueror++ for not asking my password each time [10:29] grrr, 87 upgrade, 289,5 MiB to download [10:32] oh, new rc :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:32] shadeslayer: need help? [10:32] yofel: feel free to join [10:32] do you have your ssh key on ftpubuntu? [10:33] i mean.. on ktown [10:33] I don't think so [10:33] we will have to set you up then... [10:33] Quintasan: can/should we add keys to ktown? [10:35] kdebase building ^_^ [10:36] kdelibs takes longest to build :P [10:38] kdelibs uploading to ppa [10:38] :O [10:38] Quintasan: what are you running :P [10:39] Intel Core i5 overclocked to 4GHz [10:39] :P [10:39] ouch [10:39] explains alot [10:40] though lex got a farm of computers :P [10:46] Quintasan: btw, can you upload http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/qtm_1.1.1-1build1.debdiff or just rebulid it yourself? I asked riddell but it seems like he forgot about it [10:46] (qtm is in universe) [10:47] yofel: okay, but in few minutes, need to go to shop [10:47] np [10:47] shadeslayer: btw, this solves problems with heat -> http://imagebin.ca/view/MLEZZL5U.html [10:47] nice :D [10:48] show off... :P [10:48] :PP [10:48] * Quintasan could fry eggs on this [11:03] * Quintasan thought he forgot to bump verison, he did that automatically [11:04] I have been doing this for so long that I can't rembember if I've done this before uploading [11:05] Quintasan: join lp [11:11] shadeslayer: nothing new [11:11] they always have something to do [11:11] heh :P [11:11] like adding the Disscussion feature the other day [11:12] stupid and useless imo [11:12] Opinion? [11:12] * shadeslayer stares at kdebase 4.4.95 in pbuilder [11:15] oh goody http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/plasma-widget-fastuserswitch.html [11:15] now i can request a sync [11:21] shadeslayer: so, what do I need if I want to help with the rc? (the only thing I know about that is the packaging session that you gave a while ago) [11:22] :D [11:22] yofel: first you need access to ktown [11:22] Oo [11:22] but i dont know if i can add you [11:22] ah apachelogger ^^ [11:22] hi apachelogger [11:23] and right there we stop now and think about why that stuff is on ktown to begin with and what precise implications access to ktown has [11:23] yofel: aloha [11:23] Riddell: bug 609448 [11:23] Launchpad bug 609448 in Ubuntu "Sync plasma-widget-fastuserswitch 0.1.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/609448 [11:24] or if anyone else can sync that :P [11:24] apachelogger: can you sponsor kdevplatform from https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental [11:25] apachelogger: and then kdevelop from https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra [11:26] Quintasan: pdbuilder is still setting up packages :/ [11:26] TROLOLOLOL [11:26] try cowbuilder [11:26] really [11:27] itll be same thing since itll download the packages and im on a crappy connection [11:27] aptcache? [11:27] shadeslayer: I am on ultra light travelling [11:27] * apachelogger got no gpg and no ssh keys withhim [11:27] apachelogger: :( [11:28] yofel: hmm i do have it... [11:28] as for the pbuilder setup junk .... there is a general problem that you will have to setup the whole stack at least once, which of course is also terribly slow [11:29] so i would ponder creating a special pbuilder tar that includes qt4 or maybe all deps as required by kdelibs5-dev [11:29] apachelogger: cant we speed it up somehow? [11:29] that cuts surely half the time of package installation [11:35] shadeslayer: copy over exitsting maverick pbuilder, login into install, install packages, logout ???? PROFIT [11:36] * Quintasan goes to play HoN [11:36] Quintasan: ill have to extract it first right? [11:36] shadeslayer: no [11:36] copy the tgz [11:36] then rename to .cow [11:36] ok [11:36] shadeslayer: I'm referring to setting up a pbuilder with qt packages [11:36] ohhh [11:37] sudo pbuilder --basetgz [basetgz-location] --login --save-after --save-after-login [11:37] urgh [11:38] sudo pbuilder --basetgz [basetgz-location] --login --save-after-login [11:38] fixed [11:38] shadeslayer: as for cowbuilder [11:38] cp tgz somewhere [11:38] ungzip it [11:38] mkdir base.cow [11:39] mv contents of tgz to base.cow [11:39] and it should work right after that [11:39] yep thought so... [11:39] ill try it out [11:40] * apachelogger doesnt really get why that junk cannot be included as feature in pbuilder TBH [11:40] http://pastebin.ca/1907407 [11:40] hmm [11:41] apachelogger: why do we not have nepomuk debug packages? [11:41] any ideas> [11:41] shadeslayer: kde cmake? [11:42] bulldog98: yeah when building kdebase [11:42] shadeslayer: ok [11:42] im looking at which packages,etc do i need [11:42] shadeslayer: kdelibs? [11:42] shared-desktop-ontologies is in debian/control [11:43] bulldog98: kdebase [11:43] but it isnt picked up 0_o [11:43] same for libglib2.0-dev [11:43] shadeslayer: kdelibs as dependence [11:43] shadeslayer: because we do not have no nepomuk package? [11:43] bulldog98: whut? [11:43] apachelogger: i mean virtuoso debug packages.. sorry [11:44] shadeslayer: kdelibs-dev is an dependence. Am I right? [11:44] *shrug* [11:44] apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1907413 [11:44] ddebs will [11:44] bulldog98: yes [11:44] bulldog98: kdelibs5-dev [11:45] ohhhhh [11:45] The following external packages *were* located on your system. [11:45] :P [11:47] Quintasan: seems kdelibs is done [11:47] almost [11:49] uh.. someone needs to update meta kde to 4.4.95 [11:50] ill do it :) [11:57] kdebase uploaded [11:57] Quintasan: you might want to bump the version of kde-sc-dev-latest in your next kdelibs uploade [11:57] *upload [12:03] yyy, there is not kde-sc-dev-latest in kdelibs control? [12:04] or I'm bind [12:05] shadeslayer: built and published in ppa, proceed [12:06] just wanted to share: http://twitpic.com/286axn :) [12:07] Pushed up to revision 256. [12:08] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=256&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 256 | changed feature heading to from "Linux" to "UNIX" - mjm [12:08] nice number :3 [12:08] eMyller: what happended to Amarok @_@ [12:08] eMyller: Only the File menu appears for me:( [12:10] shadeslayer: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/fast+user+switch?content=127462 [12:10] update it, nao! [12:10] omg [12:10] \o/ [12:10] Quintasan: thanks for that [12:12] Quintasan: just detached the docklets and made some cleanup. bad? :P [12:13] ulysses: restart your apps :) [12:13] i wonder if ofirk can make something like http://jointhegame.kde.org/ [12:13] * eMyller hopes all this beauty will be available on Maverick [12:13] no, look damn neat [12:13] I want this like that too [12:13] yeah [12:13] brb trolling my X server [12:14] eMyller: móthanks [12:14] Quintasan: the best part is that it's transparent (not entirely, but through oxygen-transparent) and is still hide-able by tray icon. :D [12:15] ulysses: welcome [12:15] shadeslayer: i am a web developer as well, and was willing to help kde web stuff at weekends :) [12:16] eMyller: uh kde or kubuntu stuff? :D [12:16] eMyller: if you want to help kde, #kde-www would be the place [12:16] if you want to help with kubuntu then talk to ofirk [12:20] shadeslayer: both; i'm working on some apps for kde as well. but for web i meant kubuntu, sorry :P [12:20] eMyller: did you use that with Kubuntu packages? [12:20] wow, rekonq/konqueror look damn beautiful with transparent/blurred UI + global menubar *-* [12:20] Kinda my X broke after installing that [12:21] Quintasan: i collected some repos [12:21] sec [12:21] eMyller: ofirk then :D [12:21] shadeslayer: it's quite a while i've been waiting for him here :| [12:22] wtf [12:22] hmm [12:22] how come new oxygen borked my KDM? [12:22] eMyller: put it in the kubuntu devel Mailing list [12:22] http://kde-look.org/poll/index.php?poll=256 [12:23] Quintasan: http://pastebin.com/9X79VdBK my sources.list (for lucid) [12:23] eMyller: I'm asking about oxygen-transparent [12:24] shadeslayer: it == what? [12:24] eMyller: Did you just execut the script and it worked? [12:24] eMyller: your suggestions for the new kubuntu site [12:24] Quintasan: yeah, it's there + a bunch of cool/up-to-date kde apps :) [12:25] shadeslayer: i'm already following the visual part with sheytan_ [12:25] nice [12:25] omg nerdgasm. oh oh [12:26] * eMyller wants to take dozens of screenshots [12:27] wtf, it broke my kdm [12:27] eMyller: are you using KDE 4.5 RC? [12:27] Quintasan: yep [12:27] Quintasan: reset kdm [12:27] sooo hmm [12:27] ha ha, doesn't work [12:27] :34 [12:27] actually i didn't see my kdm after installing this stuff... [12:27] hope it works XD [12:28] gonna test. brb [12:29] and that oxygen theme wouldn't start as well [12:29] How can he dare marking that unusable stuff 1.0 release? [12:30] looks like eMyller has broke kdm too [12:30] trolololololol [12:30] Quintasan: normal. [12:30] wut?! [12:30] hahah [12:30] Quintasan: well, that's why i gave you my entire sources.list [12:30] okay, if that's how it wants to play then I'm going to bet it [12:30] maybe something is missing there [12:31] that collection is perfect. :) [12:31] beat* [12:31] * eMyller promises he will update his kubuntu gallery when he gets back [12:31] gotta go, i'm 30min late :( [12:31] * eMyller doesn't want to leave his laptop [12:33] shadeslayer: why is http://jointhegame.kde.org/ for? it seems incomplete... [12:33] eMyller: for getting money :P [12:33] mhmm... 'join the game' is not a good title then :P [12:34] wow, was rekonq accepted for maverick? [12:34] yep [12:34] i'm using it from a ppa... does yours already play with form data? [12:35] also i filled a bug about webkit rendering some days ago.. hope someone looked at it [12:36] hey hey hey :D [12:36] today is GIMPing day :D [12:37] sheytan_: :D [12:37] still waiting for ofir [12:37] sheytan_: i'm loving GIMP, btw. am getting used to the UI [12:37] but he said he's kinda busy [12:37] :( [12:37] eMyller, told you :SD [12:37] :D [12:37] but i hope, when he comes, he will like my work :D [12:38] sheytan_: check my last dents [12:38] eMyller saw your shot :D [12:38] only hide some icons in systray, that don't scall :D [12:38] would look better :) [12:38] already did [12:38] will update my picasa gallery tonight [12:39] wow, my rekonq is out-to-date :\ [12:39] h,,,, [12:39] back to follow repo, NOW [12:39] reinstalling packages did not help [12:39] Quintasan: nothing yet? :( [12:39] what exactly is broken? [12:42] beats me [12:42] kdm won't start [12:42] and after it fails I can't switch to serial console for some wierd problem [12:43] that autologging is crap [12:43] yields no errors [12:43] :/ [12:45] after my login screen nothing goes forward anymore as well.. got a blank plasma screen and nothing popsup :S [12:46] off for a while.. [12:46] eMyller: well, I can see the cursor blinking for a second [12:48] wow :\ [12:48] Quintasan: did you try to upgrade from that sources.list? [12:49] as i said, something may be missing at your system that some package from there would solve [12:49] (EE) Microsoft Natural® Ergonomic Keyboard 4000: failed to initialize for relative axes. [12:49] :/ [12:49] what the heck [12:52] lol [12:53] kubuntu reinstallation detected. :( [12:54] well guys, gotta go :\ [12:54] cya [12:57] wut [12:57] I realised my packages are 4.4.5 [12:58] oh. how come? Oo [12:58] hmm [12:58] hell no [12:58] they are 4.4.42 [12:58] and the crap from repositories that I copy pasted from you eMyller is something like [12:58] let me check [12:58] can someone give me access to ktown so I can download kdesdk? [12:59] eMyller: 4.5~beta1 [12:59] wtf [12:59] hm [12:59] I think there is a bug in kwallet [12:59] my kdm broke @_@ [12:59] Quintasan: that repos are being used here right now, and everything runs smoothly Oo [13:03] apachelogger: who has the right to give people access to ktown? [13:03] me [13:03] someone please give bulldog98 the kdesdk tarball [13:03] thx [13:05] borked kdm is borked [13:05] eMyller: installing whole crap now [13:06] somehow I get 300mb of new packages [13:07] Quintasan: hope it works [13:08] I hope so too [13:10] well a reinstall for me when maverick comes [13:10] and a dd image ater all is configured [13:16] apachelogger: should I update the standards version in controlfiles? [13:16] to 3.9.0? [13:24] bulldog98: depends on whether the package is in debian [13:25] if you bump it and the package is in debian it might very well become a somewhat useless difference to the debian package and show up in the merge diffs [13:25] if it is not in debian you can happily change it [13:26] apachelogger: hm the package is in debian but it would make lintian happy [13:26] in fact you should also change it if you introduce a change that is only valid as per a newer standards version whereas an older version did actually discourage whatever you changed [13:26] bulldog98: screw lintian ;) [13:27] there is absolutely no use to bumping the standards version other than marking that this package is in line with the rules outlined in version 1.1.1 [13:28] so if there is no particular reason why the package should be marked as following 1.2.0 one should just stick to 1.1.1 [13:28] in a lot of cases debian will release a new package and we then merge the version bump anyway [13:29] apachelogger: ok then no need to bump it in kdesdk [13:31] apachelogger: should I bump the dep on kde-sc-dev-latest to the latest version? [13:35] bulldog98: I would say so [13:36] [muon] jmthomas * 1153981 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/DetailsTabs/DependsTab.cpp sssh [13:41] eMyller: :( [13:43] grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [13:44] how the hell KdM could break by replacing oxygen theme? [13:49] fucking great, dhcp was broken by updating [13:53] gah [13:53] reinstalling [14:05] this is madness [14:05] I do not want to encrypt my home but I can't uncheck this crap [14:06] grrrrrr [14:07] * Quintasan will install Fedora in few seconds [14:07] I can't stand this [14:09] FFFFFFFFFFFF [14:09] * Quintasan goes to rage somewhere [14:11] + partmanager is sloooooooooooooow [14:16] My laptop is now on Kubuntu 10.10 [14:18] Any idea why the desktop effects aren't enabled even though system settings says they are? [14:20] Not that impressed with rekonq [14:37] JontheEchidna: should I translate playground-libs/qaptbatch.pot? [15:44] hey, I thought that crappy looking plymouth with propeitary drivers was fixed [15:56] JontheEchidna: hey, do you know what the hell strongswan plugin for network-manager is? with the kde frontend it pulls almost all gnome common files [15:57] JontheEchidna: Hungarian translation of playground-sysadmin/muon.po is complete, I'm waiting for beta:) Then I'll write about Muon for Hungarian users [15:57] ulysses: care to link me to english po file? [15:57] I would do Polish tranlation [15:59] Quintasan: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/playground-sysadmin/muon.pot [16:00] the *.po will be generated from this *.pot if you use Lokalize [16:01] great! [16:02] JontheEchidna: expect a link in few minutes [16:02] ~karma muon [16:02] karma for muon: 4 [16:02] muon++ [16:02] ~karma Quintasan [16:02] karma for Quintasan: 2 [16:02] :< [16:02] ~karma muon [16:02] karma for muon: 5 [16:02] Quintasan++ [16:02] ~karma Quintasan [16:02] karma for Quintasan: 2 [16:03] Quintasan++ [16:03] ~karma Quintasan [16:03] karma for Quintasan: 3 [16:03] :3 [16:20] great, got like 90% of it [16:20] back to setting up mah systemz [16:21] * apachelogger likes how pulseaudio eats 2% of his cpu [16:22] * Almost every class and method in the KDE API is supported. For most [16:22] developers PyKDE4 is in good enough shape to start porting and [16:22] development of PyKDE4 based programs. [16:22] Sime: ^ supposedly that is meant to say of PyKDE3 based programs? [16:23] (that is from the tips section in the pykde README) [16:29] wow, and then pulseaudio stutters when under a bit of load [16:29] very amazing piece of software right there [16:29] * apachelogger nukes [16:31] apachelogger: that isn't PA's fault, generally, but the kernel's [16:31] apachelogger: specifically: the sound driver [16:31] apachelogger: so, please, file a bug: ubuntu-bug alsa-base [16:31] * crimsun_ mutters about people blaming the wrong piece of software for suckage [16:32] works before - use pulse - doesnt work [16:32] must be the kernel's fault clearly :P [16:33] apachelogger: it is. pulse fundamentally has a different model of buffering semantics that requires the sound driver to be much more precise. [16:33] I've probably produced dozens of these sorts of patches. [16:35] JontheEchidna: highfive [16:35] this Muon is getting somewhere [16:35] not like that retarded package kit [16:35] JontheEchidna++ [16:36] crimsun_: I wonder how that can still be an issue on the inspiron mini 10? [16:36] surely there must be quite some bug reports on a device that can be ordered preinstalled with ubuntu [16:37] apachelogger: there are tons of issues with those codecs [16:37] crimsun_: so it is not like fix it once somewhere in the driver and be done with it? [16:37] thankfully I won't have to worry about them as much now that Canonical finally has a full-time employee doing sound enablement [16:37] apachelogger: correct [16:38] hmmm [16:38] JontheEchidna: around? [16:39] shadeslayer++ [16:39] ~karma sheytan [16:39] karma for sheytan: 1 [16:39]