[00:01] <yvan300> what's up ladies
[00:07] <slidinghorn> yvan300, do you have an ubuntu support question we can help with?
[00:07] <yvan300> slidinghorn: woops this ain't the team channel, sorry :D
[00:07] <paultag> slidinghorn, yvan300 is an old member
[00:07] <slidinghorn> oh, lol
[00:07] <paultag> yvan300, yeah, keep it in the right channel :)
[00:07] <paultag> slidinghorn, good instinct :)
[00:08] <yvan300> lol
[02:30] <JamieC> Hello?
[02:31] <IdleOne> hello JamieC
[02:31] <JamieC> Hi IdleOne !
[02:31]  * JamieC is new..i think
[02:31] <Glorfindel> Hey team
[02:31] <IdleOne> heh, you think?
[02:31] <Glorfindel> Oh hey IdleOne didn't see ya there
[02:31] <IdleOne> hello Glorfindel
[02:32] <IdleOne> zkriesse: :)
[02:32] <zkriesse> IdleOne: That make it easier
[02:32] <zkriesse> IdleOne: Now do ya recognize me?
[02:32] <IdleOne> yes :)
[02:32] <zkriesse> How's it goin my man?'
[02:32] <IdleOne> doing ok here thanks and you?
[02:33] <zkriesse> Goin ok
[02:33] <IdleOne> JamieC: welcome to the channel, feel free to jump in anytime
[02:33] <zkriesse> Working on muh blog and planning my schedule...start college next month
[02:33] <JamieC> Ok thank you IdleOne
[02:33] <JamieC> What's this channel for?
[02:34] <IdleOne> well it is for ummm beginners
[02:34] <zkriesse> lol
[02:34] <JamieC> Ok but what does it do?
[02:34] <IdleOne> JamieC: I am fairly new to this channel myself, I'll let zkriesse answer
[02:34] <zkriesse> IdleOne: you're not new you lier
[02:34] <zkriesse> JamieC: He's lyin!
[02:35] <zkriesse> Hello isiah
[02:35] <IdleOne> zkriesse: hehe I am old to IRC indeed but I haven't spent that much time in this channel
[02:35] <isiah> hi zkriesse
[02:35] <zkriesse> IdleOne: Ah roger that
[02:35] <JamieC> Ok
[02:35] <JamieC> Woo!
[02:36] <isiah> why does xkcd suck these days?
[02:36] <IdleOne> JamieC: as I understand it the ubuntu-beginners team is here to welcome and help people out who are new to Ubuntu
[02:36] <JamieC> Ok
[02:36] <zkriesse> IdleOne: that is correct
[02:36] <isiah> I always assumed this room was for maintaining the website.
[02:36] <zkriesse> See you're on it!
[02:36]  * IdleOne is now officially old
[02:36] <IdleOne> :P
[02:36] <zkriesse> isiah: What website?
[02:37] <IdleOne> JamieC: how did you find this channel?
[02:37] <isiah> there is this like "getting started" site on the ubuntu server
[02:37] <isiah> every once in a while someone calls a meeting and people chat about it
[02:37] <JamieC> JamieC: A friend
[02:38] <JamieC> google is that particular friend
[02:38] <IdleOne> nice
[02:38] <zkriesse> isiah: cool
[02:38] <IdleOne> like i said earlier JamieC if you have questions just ask away
[02:38] <isiah> I remember this site when it had the longest name of all the ubuntu sites, which is why i picked it
[02:38] <JamieC> ok
[02:38] <JamieC> thank you
[02:38] <IdleOne> Welcome
[02:38] <JamieC> I'll just sit here for a minute
[02:39] <IdleOne> sure thing
[02:39] <JamieC> HI isiah !!!!!!!
[02:39] <isiah> it was like #ubuntu-fourm's-beginners-team
[02:39] <isiah> yes?
[02:40] <paultag> st33med, poke
[02:40] <IdleOne> could be
[02:40] <paultag> isiah, ##ubuntufourms-beginners
[02:40] <st33med> paultag, stabby
[02:40] <isiah> was that the name?
[02:41] <isiah> its been a while
[02:41] <paultag> st33med, are you in VA ?
[02:41] <paultag> isiah, yeah :)
[02:41] <st33med> paultag, yes, why?
[02:41] <paultag> st33med, interested in the LoCo in VA, they're trying to get started
[02:41] <paultag> st33med, #ubuntu-us-va
[02:41] <paultag> st33med, they could really use someone who has a blog on the planet
[02:41] <st33med> I don't have a blog
[02:41] <paultag> st33med, well still
[02:41] <isiah> I blogged my friend's mom last night
[02:42] <paultag> st33med, you *can* have a blog
[02:42] <paultag> st33med, would you mind helping?
[02:42] <st33med> I wouldn't mind
[02:42] <paultag> st33med, #ubuntu-us-va :D
[02:43] <paultag> thanks st33med :)
[02:43] <st33med> welcome :)
[02:44] <isiah> I should walk over to Duffs
[02:44] <phillw> isiah: starter for server ?
[02:45] <isiah> Duffs is the top buffalo wing maker on the planet, oddly enough it is a one mile walk from my house
[02:45] <zkriesse> lol
[02:45]  * phillw sorry for delays; re-building my system onto a new hard drive
[02:45] <zkriesse> isiah: Why'd you kick me you meanie!
[02:45] <zkriesse> hey phillw
[02:45] <phillw> hiyas zkriesse :-0
[02:45] <phillw> :-)
[02:45] <JamieC> HI phillw
[02:46] <JamieC> WOO!
[02:46] <phillw> isiah: oooh, buffalos have wings? OMG !!!!!
[02:46] <isiah> no seriously check out wikipedia's page on it. Duff's is mentioned in it
[02:47] <isiah> its like historic
[02:48] <zkriesse> Hello harrison
[02:48] <harrison> hello
[02:48] <zkriesse> and how are you?
[02:48] <harrison> Fine, how are you?
[02:49] <zkriesse> Doin alright
[02:50] <isiah> I am going to install xaos from source
[02:56] <zkriesse> ikt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:56] <zkriesse> MY PAL!!!!!!!!!
[02:56] <ikt> heya!
[02:56] <harrison> What?
[02:56] <zkriesse> ikt: It's ZachK18 btw
[02:56] <ikt> what's up?
[02:57] <zkriesse> ikt: Nick change an all
[02:57] <ikt> you seem happy? :D
[02:57] <zkriesse> ikt: Because you've shown up!
[02:57] <ikt> XD
[02:57] <ikt> whatcha up to?
[02:57] <zkriesse> ikt: not much
[02:57] <zkriesse> ikt: pm and I'll tell ya everything
[03:05] <harrison> bye
[03:05] <ikt> seya harrison :)
[03:09] <paultag> hey harrison slick666 seidos ikt
[03:09] <paultag> holy god
[03:09] <paultag> :)
[03:09] <zkriesse> lol
[03:09] <seidos> hey paultag
[03:09] <zkriesse> hey paultag
[03:09] <paultag> seidos, long time no see
[03:09] <paultag> zkriesse, lo
[03:09] <paultag> seidos, how are things?
[03:09] <JamieC> Hmm
[03:09] <seidos> paultag, not bad.  I actually mentioned you in a long winded blog I wrote.
[03:10] <paultag> seidos, Oh? I'd love to read it :)
[03:10] <paultag> I'm quite vain, you see :)
[03:10] <JamieC> paultag: you are?
[03:10] <seidos> I don't know what the etiquette is, but I was going with the flow.  It's a long post that no one will read.
[03:10]  * JamieC waves
[03:10] <paultag> JamieC, well I guess :)
[03:10] <JamieC> lol
[03:10] <paultag> seidos, I don't mind
[03:11] <JamieC> Can I talk here?
[03:11] <paultag> .. Montel.
[03:12] <seidos> paultag, here is the link.  be warned, it's long, inane, and generally terrible:  http://redplanetaryearth.blogspot.com/2010/07/marijuana-legalization-memes-relational.html
[03:12] <paultag> Um hell yes seidos
[03:12] <seidos> oh yeah, we're supposed to be talking in the -team channel
[03:12] <paultag> seidos, this is relevant to my interests
[03:14] <seidos> paultag, cool, hope you like it.
[03:15] <JamieC> Who's montel?
[03:17] <isiah> a talk show host
[03:17] <JamieC> isiah: cool
[03:17]  * JamieC likes 560 WIND
[03:22] <JamieC> Hmm
[03:30] <JamieC> FUCK
[03:31] <IdleOne> testing ?
[03:31] <zkriesse> JamieC: Don't do that
[03:31] <zkriesse> EVER
[03:31] <JamieC> Sorry....
[03:31] <JamieC> Wrong chat area
[03:31] <zkriesse> Ok just don't do it
[03:33] <phillw> !language
[03:33] <ubot2`> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:33] <JamieC> I know!
[03:33] <JamieC> It's not intentional
[03:33] <JamieC> Or wasn't i mean
[03:33] <isiah> yeah my toodler child wa looking over my shoulder
[03:34] <isiah> now he is crawled up in the fetal position in the corner
[03:34] <isiah> whimpering
[03:34] <phillw> JamieC: I'm still getting used to the ubots, I've only just got one on the #lubuntu channel
[03:35] <JamieC> OK
[03:36] <isiah> I always like it when the op removes op statues from himself
[03:37] <isiah> its like a king abdicating
[03:37] <JamieC> Haha
[03:46] <IdleOne> seidos: Wow!
[03:47] <IdleOne> I loved how you rambled in a sort of non directional with a purpose way
[03:47] <seidos> IdleOne, lol
[03:48] <seidos> IdleOne, are you serious?
[03:48] <Sketchbag> I have conky , and it's constantly on the windows list ...is there a way to run it without it have a tab open constantly
[03:48]  * seidos types man conky in a terminal
[03:48] <IdleOne> seidos: yes. I meant that as a compliment :)
[03:49] <Sketchbag> I did type conky manually in a terminal ...if thats what you meant
[03:49] <Sketchbag> but it also has a start up command
[03:49] <seidos> Sketchbag, no, I was trying to get some information on conky.  I've never used it.
[03:50] <Sketchbag> oh sorry
[03:50] <IdleOne> seidos: the entire time I was reading I also had this idea that YOU need to record yourself reading it. I think it would make even more sense to me if I could hear your thoughts. if you know what I mean
[03:50] <seidos> IdleOne, hmmm, I probably would, but my microphone doesn't work.
[03:51] <IdleOne> seidos: get it working.
[03:51] <seidos> IdleOne, I tried once, but lost hope and gave up.  I don't think I'm smart enough to get it working.
[03:52] <JamieC> FUCK YOU YOU BITCHES!!!!
[03:52] <IdleOne> Well if it means anything I really enjoyed the post
[03:52] <IdleOne> time for JamieC to go
[03:52] <seidos> JamieC, why?
[03:53] <paultag> !language | JamieC
[03:53] <ubot2`> JamieC: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:53] <paultag> this is your second warning
[03:53] <JamieC> Argh...this stupid webchat
[03:53] <paultag> Yup.
[03:53] <JamieC> I'm in a social site that people like to bash on and it's right next to this webchat tab
[03:54] <JamieC> Bash "me" on
[03:54] <seidos> JamieC, you're in one channel?
[03:54] <paultag> JamieC, one more outburst and I won't be happy
[03:54] <JamieC> ONe channel where?
[03:54] <JamieC> paultag: I'm sorry it's not directed at here...
[03:55] <seidos> the interblag
[03:55] <paultag> hey IdleOne, I forget, were you looking to work with the UBT?
[03:55] <IdleOne> depends on pay rate paultag
[03:55] <paultag> :P
[03:55] <zkriesse> IdleOne: lol
[03:56] <zkriesse> IdleOne: The payrate we get here is paultag points
[03:56] <paultag> IdleOne, just wanted to follow up with leads -- we're here if you're bored  :)
[03:56] <zkriesse> and those are special
[03:56] <seidos> Sketchbag, I don't understand your question.  I'm running conky, but I don't know what you mean by "window list" or "tab"
[03:56] <paultag> zkriesse, so far i've given out about 10 of those babys
[03:56] <IdleOne> paultag: I try not to make promises on my commitment level but I am happy to help out where I can. :)
[03:56] <paultag> IdleOne, then you're in the right place doing the right thing :)
[03:57] <paultag> IdleOne, just wanted to make sure you were tended to, it's not often we get established members around these parts ( such as yourself ) who want to do UBT work :)
[03:57] <seidos> Sketchbag, do you mean you want it to be like on the gnome-panel?  Are you using gnome?
[03:57] <IdleOne> paultag: what do you mean by UBT work exactly?
[03:57] <paultag> IdleOne, work with beginners -- just helping new GNU/Linux folks. A lot of people hate it
[03:58] <zkriesse> IdleOne: Ever done wiki?
[03:58] <IdleOne> I enjoy helping out. I don't mind the "newbie" (hate that term) questions
[03:58] <paultag> IdleOne, feel free to help out without signing a contract ;)
[03:59] <paultag> IdleOne, I know you do a lot so no pressure, we just try and make sure everyone feel at home
[03:59] <IdleOne> zkriesse: my own :) little translation on the UWP wiki but put that on the back burner for a bit now
[03:59] <Sketchbag> yea ...the gnome panel would be good
[03:59] <Sketchbag> because right now its in my window list with firefox and stuff ....not really a big issue but I want my taskbar to look clean
[03:59] <IdleOne> paultag: lol I haven't done to much of anything lately. trying to find my bearings IRL
[04:00] <paultag> IdleOne, real life over everything, don't do the burnout thing
[04:00] <zkriesse> IdleOne: ALWAYS do real life first
[04:00] <zkriesse> ALWAYS
[04:00] <tenach> yeah, don't burn out on real life. That sucks.
[04:00] <IdleOne> no worries about that but like I said if I am around and see a question I can answer I am glad to answer it
[04:01] <IdleOne> tenach: you're telling me :P
[04:01] <JamieC> zkriesse: So who the heck are you telling people what to do
[04:01] <IdleOne> JamieC: have you read the Ubuntu guidelines and code of conduct?
[04:01] <JamieC> Yes
[04:01] <JamieC> AND THEY SUCK YOUR DICK
[04:01] <IdleOne> and still you have this poor attitude
[04:01] <paultag> OK JamieC stop
[04:03] <IdleOne> paultag: is way more tolerant then I am
[04:03] <seidos> Sketchbag, I think what you want would require a change to conky's source code. :/
[04:04] <seidos> Sketchbag, I can't think of a way to do it without doing something like that.  Want to look at the source code with me?
[04:04] <seidos> Sketchbag, though, someone might have a better idea.
[04:17]  * IdleOne lost the game but passed the test
[04:17] <IdleOne> :)
[04:28] <Sketchbag> I don't know how much of the source code I would understand ....
[04:28] <Sketchbag> Where do you get it from ......I'll take a look
[04:35] <stlsaint> conky?
[04:35]  * stlsaint likes conky
[04:42] <seidos> stlsaint, do you know how to put conky into the gnome-panel?
[04:42] <seidos> Sketchbag, me neither!  probably not much.  I know x-chat has a little gnome-panel widget doo-hickey though.  So may be I try to figure out how it does that, then use the same code in conky.
[04:43] <seidos> Sketchbag, you can try sudo apt-get source conky
[04:46] <stlsaint> seidos: oh no
[04:48] <seidos> stlsaint, me neither.  I think it would be a change to the source code
[05:20] <Sketchbag> I went to the conky channel and asked my question but no one has answered yet :P
[05:21] <seidos> good idea, I should've of thought of that
[05:21] <seidos> I downloaded the source code, it isn't as big as I thought it would be
[05:22] <seidos> it's *only* 31 files
[05:22] <seidos> it should take me 6 months to figure out how to implement what you want :/  I don't know, I've never done something like this before.
[05:23] <seidos> oops, sorry, I already screwed it up.  it's 76 files.  wrong folder.
[05:23] <Sketchbag> *only* lol
[05:23] <Sketchbag> Lmao
[05:23]  * seidos facepalms
[05:24] <seidos> yeah, and now I figured out it's like twice as many files
[05:24] <Sketchbag> Same here I would like to try it aswell...I want to get into that type of thing
[05:24] <seidos> did you try sudo apt-get source conky?
[05:24] <Sketchbag> No I googled it
[05:24] <Sketchbag> they have a command to get it
[05:24] <seidos> it will put the source code into the directory where you typed the command.
[05:25] <seidos> you mean git?
[05:25] <Sketchbag> yea
[05:25] <Sketchbag> what is git?
[05:26] <Sketchbag> I thought that was just a container that they put the code into
[05:26] <seidos> I think it's a protocol or something
[05:26] <seidos> I don't really know deep down.
[05:26] <seidos> I'm probably wrong, but I think of it like ftp
[05:26] <seidos> except for source code?
[05:27] <Sketchbag> oh .. okay I see ...i thought it was something along those lines ...
[05:27] <seidos> well sudo apt-get source conky worked for me
[05:27] <Sketchbag> Just one more step to confuse the noob
[05:27] <Sketchbag> lol
[05:27] <seidos> yeah, I don't really use git
[05:29] <Sketchbag> i didn't even know what it was lol , your one step ahead of me
[05:30] <seidos> man I'm not sure if it's even possible to implement what you want
[05:31] <seidos> I mean, for me
[05:35] <Sketchbag> Are the conky source files seperated into any type of groups
[05:35] <Sketchbag> maybe you could find the once for the actual prgram behavior and just play with it and see what happens
[05:36] <Sketchbag> but yea I would assume to do something like that you would need some intricate knowledge of the progrom as a dev or something similar
[06:06] <seidos> well I compiled it
[06:06] <seidos> and when I try to run the binary it doesn't work, says it need some config file
[06:08] <seidos> Sketchbag, it's organized into different files.  here's a screenshot of the directory:  http://imagebin.org/106654
[06:20] <Sketchbag> Do you have all the dependencies ...like lib-dev and stuff>?
[06:31] <yax51> does anyone know which program I would use to add text to videos.....kinda like subtitles, but without having to use a subtitle track?
[06:33] <seidos> Sketchbag, I think so.  I just did make, I didn't do make install.  I thought I could execute the binary that was in the src folder after make.
[06:33] <seidos> yax51, I've never made a video in ubuntu.
[06:35] <yax51> hmmm
[06:47] <Sketchbag> yax51 Im pretty sure there are some video editing programs on the ubuntu software centre
[06:47] <Sketchbag> check their websites to see if one has the feature you are looking for ...if not google it
[09:24] <vu1kan> i've got a netgear wnr834bv2 that got reset to factory defaults, when i plug an ethernet cable into it, my ubuntu doesn't even see that i've got a viable ethernet connection...i went into network connections and set everything to automatic, and it still won't connect to the router's config...any suggestions as to why this is?
[09:24] <vu1kan> everything worked fine before the reset
[09:46] <slidinghorn> i'm sorry vu1kan are you still around?
[09:46] <vu1kan> indeed i am
[09:46] <slidinghorn> sorry for the delay, just got home :)  so you can't connect via ethernet?  Could you before?
[09:48] <vu1kan> yep, in fact, i'm direct connected to the modem atm, and it's working fine
[09:49] <vu1kan> it's just not seeing the router when i plug into it
[09:52] <slidinghorn> I'm doing some digging...
[10:00] <slidinghorn> vu1kan, do you know if the router works on any other type of system?  (i.e. could it be a defective router?)  I only ask this because I'm not finding a lot along the lines of not being able to connect to ethernet -- and I'm not much of a networking expert
[10:01] <vu1kan> i've got an old xp box i can try it on, i'll give it a shot...
[10:01] <slidinghorn> ...and by "much" i mean "at all"  ;-)
[10:14] <vu1kan> i think the router's bricked...same issue on the xp box
[10:15] <slidinghorn> well @ least we know it's not your ubuntu install :)  is it a new router?
[10:17] <vu1kan> nope, it's about a year old, tbh, i was just trying to find something to do and thought i'd rework my setting, wipe the forwarded ports for WOW and the like, and didn't want to take the time to clear each one individually...now i wish i had
[10:17] <vu1kan> *settings
[10:18] <slidinghorn> ah...well routers aren't too expensive, especially if you don't need wireless
[10:19] <vu1kan> that's the rub, i do need wireless...it's not broadcasting either, that's why i tried wired
[10:23] <slidinghorn> well basically routers should be independent of OS if I'm thinking correctly...usually you just need the admin page IP (usually http://192.168.1.1 or http://192.168.0.1)
[10:25] <vu1kan> i'm aware; i just thought it was a 'nix issue at first...now i think it's the router because the indicator led's aren't resolving...they're just lit solid
[10:27] <vu1kan> ty for trying, slidinghorn, but i think i need to get ahold of netgear
[11:12] <Glorfindel> Hello xiaogui
[11:12] <Glorfindel> Hey IdleOne !
[11:27] <tukadafoonday> I just installed Ubuntu 10.04 and when it was installing the update my computer locked up, anywho, now it hangs on the bootup and says the following (Process:407) Glib-warning**getpwuid_r() failed due to unknown user id (0) any help would be great - thanks in advanced
[11:29] <slidinghorn> tukadafoonday, does plymouth load (purple screen with ubuntu and dots)?  how about GDM (login screen)?
[11:30] <tukadafoonday> yeh that loads... its gets abour two dots across and then hangs./
[11:30] <svaksha> tukadafoonday: did you lose power during the updates? did your machine shutdownduring the updates?
[11:31] <svaksha> if the shutdown was not clean, this can happen.
[11:31] <tukadafoonday> ummm during the update i ctrl alt delete and pushed shutdown as it was hanging.
[11:31] <slidinghorn> tukadafoonday, have you tried booting in recovery mode to try to complete the update?
[11:31] <svaksha> tukadafoonday: ah :)
[11:31] <tukadafoonday> well maybe not hanging but it wsas un responsive for the update and another thing.
[11:31] <tukadafoonday> so it is my fault...
[11:32] <tukadafoonday> Any idea how i could fix this?
[11:34] <tukadafoonday> i tried in recovery mode... and it stops on the text bootup... rather than loading the GUI
[11:35] <svaksha> tukadafoonday: usually updates take a few hours (depending on how slow your internet connection is) so it helps to leave it alone for a few hours :) Regarding fixing, it would be easier to reinstall 10.04 (assuming it was a fresh install and no data on it). just my .02
[11:35] <slidinghorn> what does it say when it stops?  are there any other error messages?
[11:36] <tukadafoonday> ahhh i am not sure what it said... it didn't give an error though.
[11:36] <tukadafoonday> i am on windows now, just to try and get some help.
[11:37] <tukadafoonday> Yes, it was a fresh install, so it might not be a bad idea to reinstall, though there is no learning from starting from scratch each time something goes wrong.
[11:37] <svaksha> tukadafoonday: in the text bootup (nosplash?) mode are you able to see when it gives [fail] message?
[11:38] <tukadafoonday> svaksha - No i didn't see a error message?
[11:39] <tukadafoonday> maybe i should reboot and look, just such a long task...
[11:39] <tukadafoonday> how do i stop and scroll up the booting text?
[11:39] <svaksha> if you are on windows, is it a dualboot? do you see grub? does it ask if you want to boot into windows or ubuntu?
[11:39] <tukadafoonday> Yeh i see grub
[11:41] <tukadafoonday> I can choose any option that i want - the normal linux loads up the splash screen, gets two dots in and hangs... the other pumps out a thousand lines of text and then also seems to stop. (no activity on the HDD light) maybe i need to let it sit longer.
[11:44] <svaksha> what is normal linux? and what is other?
[11:44] <tukadafoonday> hah sorry, one is the regular boot, and one is recovery mode.
[11:46] <svaksha> if you can pastebin the error messages in the recovery mode, someone might be able to help
[11:47] <svaksha> use pastebin.com
[11:47] <tukadafoonday> How can i do that when i can't even get into an operating system to do it?
[11:49] <svaksha> tough yeah, but with no error message its difficult to know where there is a problem.
[11:49] <svaksha> which is why i suggested the earlier reinstall
[11:49] <tukadafoonday> maybe i will just reinstall then.
[11:50] <tukadafoonday> should i install a diff version of linux? or is Ubuntu the easiest to learn with?
[11:50] <tukadafoonday> so far i am not feeling so...
[11:51] <slidinghorn> tukadafoonday, ubuntu is a pretty good distro for beginners.  did you enjoy the experience with the live cd?
[11:51] <tukadafoonday> I did not use the Live cd...
[11:51]  * svaksha likes ubuntu and debian and usually leaves the machine that is updating alone for a few hours ;>
[11:51] <tukadafoonday> hah, yeh alright settle.
[11:52] <tukadafoonday> I have used Suse 11.3 but could not get my wireless working.
[11:52] <tukadafoonday> atleast with Ubuntu everything seems to be working until i updated.
[11:52] <slidinghorn> tukadafoonday, try it out...you can also try out a few other distros that have live cds available to see what suits you.  Another good newbie distro which is based off ubuntu is Linux Mint
[11:53] <tukadafoonday> I tried mint and my video card was not supported, though it is in Ubuntu now, so maybe i will try and install mint again.
[11:53] <tukadafoonday> What is the difference between them? I don't know what difference people see really, they are all the same apart from the package managers hah
[11:56] <slidinghorn> different software suites, kernel configurations, etc.
[12:00] <tukadafoonday> well, since i have no idea about kernel configs, and i don't know what software suites are worth having, the world is my oyster right?
[12:00] <slidinghorn> tukadafoonday, precisely!  :)
[12:02] <tukadafoonday> so where do i go? hah... the world is my oyster, and i am blind!
[12:03] <slidinghorn> tukadafoonday, I'd try reinstalling ubuntu...after that, you can try out other distros in virtual environments to see what you like
[14:46] <paultag> Anyone have a USB key they'd kindly lend me?
[15:08] <dairyman87> hey guys. i have a problem. upon restarting my pc, i got an error which i stupidly forgot to copy, but it had to do somethingwith the gnome trash applet crashing and not responding. it asked me if i would like to delete the panel. when i chose not to, and continue using my pc, i noticed that i couldnt open any folder in  the "places" section on my top panel.
[15:09] <dairyman87> i cant open any files straight from "places" my desktop icons have disappeared. i cannot even open my external hard drive from "places"
[15:10] <dairyman87> i restarted my pc again and i got the same gnome applet error, and this time i deleted the panel or whatever it was, but im still having problem opening any folders in my places
[15:12] <dairyman87> NB: i noticed i still have some files listed in "recent documents": i tried opening one of them, and it works. but other than that i still cant open anything from "places" such as home folder, computer, documents, pictures etc
[15:13] <dairyman87> and also just to let you know. i mistakenly dropped my laptop before all this started to happen
[15:16] <dairyman87> any ideas on how i can fix this? this is a big deal, i cant access my files!!!
[15:20] <dairyman87> this is the error: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet".
[15:22] <JoeMaverickSett> dairyman87, you might want to read this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=608767
[15:23] <JoeMaverickSett> dairyman87, i think it's filed as a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/305070
[15:23] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 305070 in gnome-applets (Ubuntu) ""The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID: GNOME_MultiLoadApplet" (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [Low,Invalid]
[15:24] <dairyman87> i see. well this wasnt happening before i dropped my laptop. when that happened i shut it down.and upon starting it, i get this msg
[15:24] <JoeMaverickSett> dairyman87, i think this might be more helpful? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/308426
[15:24] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 308426 in linux-source-2.6.22 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet".Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration? (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[15:24] <dairyman87> people are saying that they log off a few times and it works again. ivedone that at least 5 times. same error. i wouldnt be so bothered, but the problem is i cant access nautilus
[15:25] <JoeMaverickSett> dairyman87, i'm also a new user of Ubuntu, been using it only for 3 months, so i'm not much of a help.
[15:25] <JoeMaverickSett> dairyman87, you might want to try #ubuntu channel
[15:26] <dairyman87> oh its okay though i really appreciate your help ! i was actually browsing the same link when you came to help me. thanks a lot!!!
[15:28] <JoeMaverickSett> dairyman87, helping is what it's all about in Ubuntu, ain't it? :)
[15:29] <JoeMaverickSett> dairyman87, cheers dude, hope you find the way. =D
[15:29] <dairyman87> cheers!
[15:32] <dairyman87> wow the ubuntu channel is such a pain in the ass
[15:32] <dairyman87> no one wants to help!
[15:36] <dairyman87> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet". this error comes up everytime i logon, and because of it i cant access nautilus (my files) . can anyone help? pm me thanks
[17:23] <woolgath1ringgoa> hi i got a question
[17:23] <woolgath1ringgoa> i wanna install adobe flash player so that i can watch youtube videos
[17:24] <woolgath1ringgoa> but there are many versions and i don't know which one to install
[17:26] <JoeMaverickSett> woolgath1ringgoa, i suggest you install the latest one. ;)
[17:27] <woolgath1ringgoa> ok thanks. i think i know which one.
[17:27] <IdleOne> flashplugin-installer
[17:27] <JoeMaverickSett> woolgath1ringgoa, alright dude. hope you enjoy!
[18:33] <slidinghorn> wb paultag
[18:34] <paultag> hey slidinghorn
[18:39] <sebsebseb> Hi
[18:40] <slidinghorn> howdy sebsebseb
[18:44] <sebsebseb> slidinghorn: Howdy
[18:48] <zkriesse> hey paultag
[18:48] <zkriesse> hey slidinghorn good email
[18:49] <slidinghorn> zkriesse, thanks :)
[18:49] <paultag> hey zkriesse
[18:49] <zkriesse> slidinghorn: whatcha interested in? oh wait to -team
[18:55] <zkriesse> Hello gordy
[18:55] <Gorby> any germans here?
[18:55] <Gorby> hi
[18:56] <slidinghorn> Gorby, usually the support rooms are english only...there is #ubuntu-de for german support though :)
[18:56] <zkriesse> Uhm paultag you speak German right?
[18:56] <zkriesse> oh thanks slidinghorn
[18:56]  * slidinghorn speaks as much german as google translate tells me
[18:56]  * zkriesse did not know of the german chanel
[18:56] <Gorby> just a question - i can talk english too
[18:56] <zkriesse> lol
[18:56] <paultag> Humm?
[18:56] <paultag> Gorby: Hallo, was ist los?
[18:56] <paultag> Gorby: Ich kann ein bisschen Deutsch sprechen :)
[18:57] <Gorby> danke - aber ich lass es doch lieber bei englisch damit alle es verstehen (told him i speak now engl only ;) )
[18:57] <Gorby> well that is my problem (wait a sec - takes long to write) :
[18:57] <paultag> Gorby: haha kein problem :)
[19:00] <Gorby> I tried to install ubuntu 10.04 32bit on a PC with Win7 64bit and 4gb Ram - the PC has a 1TB hard disk in RAID 1...first off: Win7 has a bad virus so i fixxed it so that you can start programms normally but you have no internet connection so far (you couldn´t start programms until i fixxed it) - then i tried to install ubuntu 32 in dual boot with win7 so that you can choose ( next part following)
[19:02] <sebsebseb> Gorby: Make sure to clean out the hard disk properly, or the virus or parts of it, may still be there causing problems, I guess, and I don't mean formatting,  I mean with a proper hard disk cleaning tool.
[19:03] <Gorby> i made keybord layout and everything until you have to choose the partition, in win7 i partinioned 40 from the 2 main partitions (one with windows, one for DATA)..so i made the DATA partition smaller and created a new drive...then in ubuntu i choosed manually partioning (I also tried automatic, but it also did not worked)...i defined one as SWAP for linux (4gb as big as the RAM) and 16 for /home and 20 for / -mountpoint (root
[19:03] <Gorby> then i tried to go on - but when it says to write the datasystem to the partion it fails "unable to write datasystem to disk"
[19:03] <isiah> I have rebuilt xchat from source, now it runs at least 3x faster. You may proceed to worship me as a god now.
[19:04] <paultag> hummm
[19:04] <Gorby> i tried to clean it with kaspersky and spybot search and destroy not only once but often
[19:05] <isiah> got to love those complier flags
[19:05] <Gorby> in safe mode also
[19:05] <paultag> isiah: -OMG-FAST
[19:05] <paultag> Gorby: hum. Interesting problem.
[19:05] <isiah> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags/
[19:05] <paultag> Gorby: What hard drive is this?
[19:05] <slidinghorn> Gorby, also, for clarification, are you running on a LiveCD or USB?
[19:05] <Gorby> liveCD
[19:06] <Gorby> paultag what do you mean? "what hard drive is this" ?
[19:06] <paultag> Gorby: model / manufacturer
[19:07] <Gorby> oh - i dont know it - it is not my pc that i am helping to repair...i try to call him - sec
[19:08] <Gorby> he is not at home at the moment
[19:08] <isiah> cat /proc/mdstat
[19:08] <isiah> try that
[19:09] <Gorby> where should i type that in ? running liveCD and then "try out ubuntu -> in terminal"?
[19:09] <isiah> yeah try the terminal
[19:09] <Gorby> i mean to type that in terminal of ubuntu
[19:09] <slidinghorn> Gorby, you can "Try without installing" then go to the applications menu Accessories -> Terminal
[19:09] <isiah> I mean I am looking around seeing if there are other commands
[19:10] <Gorby> okay i will try that...and then just type in "cat /proc/mdstart"
[19:12] <isiah> here this also gave HD info: sudo dmidecode -t memory
[19:14] <Gorby> okay, but would it be also right if i just catch that guy on the phone and he gives me the model of the HDD?
[19:16] <isiah> lshw seems to be also helpful
[19:16] <Gorby> lshw?
[19:16] <isiah> yes type it in
[19:16] <isiah> it has a nice well done man page as well
[19:17] <Gorby> at the moment i have no access to the computer
[19:19] <isiah> use ESP to type it in
[19:20] <Gorby> ..wait wait wait
[19:20] <Gorby> ESP? - i am not that good in ubuntu stuff
[19:32] <Gorby> what is ESP?
[19:33] <isiah> *snickering
[19:46] <Chad_> Hi all, just a small problem, networking working fine including wireless on a presario 2200 laptop running Ubunu 9.04 Jaunty Jackalope, but problem is it will not work for any user except root, it seems the drivers do not load for anybody else... how do I fix this quickly?
[19:47] <isiah> the wireless drivers?
[19:47] <Chad_> yes
[19:48] <Chad_> everything works as root, but the network manager will not even show for other users
[19:48] <isiah> you have tried running network manager from the terminal for other users:?
[19:48] <Chad_> what is the command?
[19:49] <isiah> I would guess NetworkManager
[19:50] <Chad_> one moment
[19:51] <Chad_> no dice.... it will not run
[19:52] <isiah> ok, I am guessing here that we need to fine your wirless driver and then chmod it so other users can use it
[19:52] <isiah> any idea how this error occured?
[19:53] <Danawar>  Heyaa, i need to install this http://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=14410&action=edit in order to get COD4 working how would i go about doing this?@
[19:53] <Chad_> already did that...   driver is freshly installed
[19:53] <isiah> Chad_ and you modified the permissions?
[19:53] <stlsaint> hey folks whats the best way to convert 3gb of music to OGG?
[19:55] <Chad_> yes, read - write - execute for user and group as root and read and execute for other
[19:55] <isiah> and you used modprobe to add the driver?
[19:59] <Chad_> that may be it, cause I used the info on http://ubuntuforums.org that did not include that... would ya have an example command line.. I rarely use modprobe
[20:00] <Chad_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5469730&postcount=13 is where I got the info
[20:03] <isiah> Chad_ so let me get this straight. You extracted and ran ./configure on this driver in your home directory, then moved it, finally set the permissions with chmod?
[20:04] <Chad_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5469730&postcount=13   followed that, then set the permissions when it failed once on users other then root... root works fine
[20:05] <isiah> what was the downloaded file
[20:06] <isiah> file's name? firmware.tar.gz?
[20:06] <Chad_> yes
[20:07] <isiah> did you ever type in a command like "tar zxf firmware.tar.gz"?
[20:07] <isiah> or something like that?
[20:07] <Chad_> yes, it unpacked a bunch of stuff
[20:07] <isiah> ok so it created a nice new difrectory there
[20:07] <isiah> and you used sudo to move it
[20:07] <isiah> yes?
[20:08] <Chad_> yes
[20:08] <isiah> ok I am going to download this, give me one sec
[20:09] <isiah> its making me login, i dont have the time. Please email me the file engine73@gmail.com
[20:10] <Chad_> done
[20:15] <isiah> I am getting the strange idea that you might have simply put the file in the wrong location
[20:17] <Chad_> copied as the instructions said..
[20:17] <isiah> yeah well it might not know that it has to look there
[20:18] <isiah> one possible solution to try: COPY (not move) all your files in /lib/firmware into a new directory as a backup. Then move the files inside those new directories the b43 stuff out of them and into /lib/firmware
[20:18] <isiah> if it doesnt work delete all files in the /lib/firmware and copy the old set of files from backup into it
[20:20] <Chad_> will try it and come back on later if it fails... need to go handle the non-electronic world...
[21:08] <RealEyes> how do I customize my grub screen?
[21:08] <isiah> you must alter the grub config file
[21:09] <funkyHat> bomp!
[21:09] <isiah> I dont know if there is a gui way to do it, I just do it from the command line
[21:10] <slidinghorn> RealEyes, take a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Splash%20Images%20and%20Theming
[21:10] <RealEyes> isiah, maybe you could help me run the commands?
[21:10] <isiah> cd /boot/grub
[21:11] <RealEyes> i need to learn more about the bash scripts :/
[21:12] <RealEyes> sudo aptitude install grub2-splashimages
[21:12] <slidinghorn> RealEyes, are you having a problem with it?
[21:12] <RealEyes> Done.
[21:12] <slidinghorn> oh ok...
[21:13] <RealEyes> I'm trying to learn more about it. The main goal (aside from making looking cool) is to erase one of the options on the grub menu.
[21:13] <RealEyes> See, on my Grub menu, I have the choice between 2 seperate Ubuntu-generics... When only one is installed.
[21:14] <slidinghorn> sudo update-grub
[21:15] <slidinghorn> RealEyes, are you sure there's only one kernel installed?  ubuntu keeps a couple around after upgrades in case there are problems with a newer kernel
[21:15] <RealEyes> Generating grub.cfg ...
[21:15] <RealEyes> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-24-generic
[21:15] <RealEyes> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-24-generic
[21:15] <RealEyes> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic
[21:15] <RealEyes> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-21-generic
[21:15] <RealEyes> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[21:15] <RealEyes> Found Windows 7 (loader) on /dev/sda1
[21:15] <RealEyes> done
[21:15] <RealEyes> (sorry for the flood)
[21:16] <slidinghorn> RealEyes, no biggie...for future reference though: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[21:16] <RealEyes> there are the 2 different ones.
[21:16] <RealEyes> I need to keep the one on top.
[21:17] <RealEyes> Deleting the middle ones...
[21:17] <slidinghorn> RealEyes, If you know for sure you won't be needing the old kernel, open synaptic (System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager) and search (in the bar at the top) for linux-image
[21:18] <slidinghorn> RealEyes, from there, you can mark the 2.6.32-21-generic for removal and then run another sudo update-grub
[21:22] <RealEyes> package manager is finding many a kernel lol
[21:23] <slidinghorn> well a lot of packages will be found, but only the ones that say "linux-image-2. -----" are the actual kernels.  there should only be two that are marked as installed
[21:28] <RealEyes> Ones that are installed are marked in green, right?
[21:29] <slidinghorn> RealEyes, yes
[21:38] <RealEyes> it worked
[21:38] <RealEyes> i got it by using dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.32-21-generic
[21:39] <slidinghorn> that works too...synaptic would have done almost the same thing
[21:40] <RealEyes> almost?
[21:41] <slidinghorn> there are several ways to do the same things in linux -- for example, for software management, you have Synaptic, dpkg, aptitude, apt-get, & the software center
[21:42] <slidinghorn> synaptic & the software center are GUI front ends, whereas the rest are command line
[21:42] <RealEyes> yesss ok i understand
[21:42] <RealEyes> i need to learn more term comms
[21:43] <slidinghorn> RealEyes, linux is all about learning :)  have you gotten a chance to check out the new ubuntu manual?  http://www.ubuntu-manual.org
[21:43] <RealEyes> I downloaded it :D
[21:44] <slidinghorn> it's a great resource for beginners (and experienced users too!)
[21:45] <slidinghorn> on an unrelated note...I think I ate too much pizza too fast.  I'm going to go lie down but if you need any help, just mention my name in the channel and I'll hear it
[21:46] <RealEyes> cool man
[22:52] <paultag> Hey I need som help with my netbook, I just made it unbootable
[22:52] <paultag> anyone around?
[22:52] <isiah> i am kind of around
[22:53] <paultag> isiah: GRUB is posting to the kernel initrd / kernel it's self. Active and responsive for IRQs for less then a second, then it hangs
[22:53] <paultag> isiah: reproducable on Kubuntu and Xubuntu 10.04 on an HP Mini 110
[22:54] <paultag> I have to hard reboot. Ctrl + alt + del fails, along with F1->7
[22:54] <paultag> REISUB to no effect
[22:54] <paultag> Oop. On this boot it's loading, after 4 tries. Something odd is going on
[22:54] <paultag> It had UNR 10.04 on it since April wiht no issues
[22:55] <paultag> Checking to see if there's anything in logs
[22:55] <isiah> you lost me at the word posting
[22:55] <paultag> right. no worries
[22:55] <paultag> Let me poke around
[22:56] <isiah> what do you mean "posting"?
[22:57] <paultag> isiah: the BIOS posts to the bootloader
[22:57] <paultag> isiah: and hands off runthyme
[22:57] <isiah> ok
[22:57] <isiah> and instead it is doing what?
[22:59] <paultag> hanging in Linux on the init thread
[22:59] <paultag> unresponsive to IRQs
[22:59] <paultag> and REISUB
[23:00] <duanedesign> have you tried hitting the side of the computer. :P
[23:00] <paultag> if only
[23:00] <duanedesign> :)
[23:00] <duanedesign> right
[23:00] <paultag> ugh, it's still unresponsive
[23:00] <paultag> it will boot every once in a while
[23:00] <paultag> it's pre plymoth
[23:00] <paultag> but I've never had an issue with plymouth beforre
[23:01] <isiah> plymoth?
[23:02] <IdleOne> sounds like the flux capacitor is not getting any plasma transfer rates, perhaps your positronic matrix failing
[23:15] <duanedesign> isiah: Plymouth is an application that runs very early in the boot process (even before the root filesystem is mounted!) that provides a graphical boot animation while the boot process happens in the background.
[23:16] <isiah> the more you know......
[23:21] <paultag> Soooo
[23:21] <paultag> still have this issue
[23:22] <paultag> oh wait, I need to leave
[23:22] <paultag> that's right
[23:22] <paultag> bai, thanks guise