penguin42what's the story on what is allowed to ptrace and what isn't ? Is there some mechanism for debug tools to turn ptrace on for a backtrace or is it always off unless I manually wiggle the sysconf value00:12
yofelwell, there is a mechanism, but apachelogger just filed bug 609597 as it still doesn't work right in KDE :/00:14
ubot2`Launchpad bug 609597 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot PTRACE (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60959700:14
yofelthere is a sysctl value if you want to turn ptrace_scope off in general00:14
penguin42yofel: Yeh that's the one I noticed actually; but why is it assigned to Linux?00:15
yofelbecause the code that checks if ptrace is allowed to access the memory is part of the kernel00:15
yofelbug 603716 was the last one00:16
ubot2`Launchpad bug 603716 in linux (Ubuntu) "Cannot PTRACE subthreads due to Yama (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60371600:16
* penguin42 is curious about how it's controlled00:20
penguin42I cant' see anything in the lkml patch that does anything other than make it switchable in proc00:24
penguin42oh I guess maybe they could give the programs CAP_SYS_PTRACE00:27
yofelpenguin42: there was https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-June/030939.html00:31
penguin42yofel: I guess that will lead to some creative poking of debuggers by evil people00:36
MoLE_Hi guys, I'm looking for some help improving bug 60519900:47
ubot2`Launchpad bug 605199 in ubuntu "mavererick netbook iso fails at desktop in virtualbox (affects: 1) (heat: 567)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60519900:47
MoLE_Anyone care to assist?00:47
* penguin42 looks00:48
* MoLE_ thanks penguin42 00:48
penguin42MoLE_: So you don't say what actually happens when it fails - black screen? random junk? Does it still respond to anything?00:48
MoLE_Ok, I can add that.00:49
* penguin42 wonders what should be done to bug 609089 - I suppose I can see why he wants that, but all the gnome-terminals are a single instance these days by default00:49
ubot2`Launchpad bug 609089 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "xkill kills all gnome-terminal instances (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60908900:49
penguin42MoLE_: If you send the guest a ctrl-alt-f1 does it switch to a text console?  What was the last thing you see on the screen before it stops?  Do you get any more/different if you remove the quiet/splash from the boot00:50
MoLE_penguin42, I can't figure out how to send the guest a ctrl-alt-f1, or I may have had more luck troubleshooting.00:51
* penguin42 tries to remember virutal box00:51
MoLE_Ok I've updated the bug penguin4200:52
penguin42MoLE_: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=9615&sid=c79dce75d9b09436397acb59992a316f00:52
MoLE_penguin42, how can I remove quite / splash from the boot screen?00:52
MoLE_too easy00:53
penguin42MoLE_: I can't remember the CD boot, but I'm fairly sure sometime before it starts the main part of the boot you get the option of editing the kernel parameters00:53
MoLE_I'll get back later with more info thanks penguin4200:53
penguin42no problem00:53
MoLE_kermiac can you help me with bug 60519903:13
ubot2`Launchpad bug 605199 in unity (Ubuntu) "mavererick netbook iso fails at desktop in virtualbox (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60519903:13
enav1hi people i want to see the ubuntu hardware blacklist pleas... but i dont know where it is03:22
kermiacsorry MoLE_ I don't have time to go through it with you atm. One thing you might want to try is to see if the livecd produces the same behaviour on that machine to ensure it's not a virtualbox issue03:33
kermiacMoLE_: I'll subscribe to the bug report & try to have a look at it with you when I have some time to spare03:34
kermiacMoLE_: ok, please let me know how you go with using the livecd. I've seen some weird things happen in a VM that I have been unable to reproduce when using a physical machine03:37
stanley_robertsohi all05:02
SwedeMikemy mplayer hasn't worked without "-ao alsa" for at least a month on either of my 10.04 machines. I find http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2010-May/079932.html but no corresponding bug in LP, could someone who has better launchpad search skills please see if there is a bug already, and if not, I'll file one.10:06
SwedeMikehm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft/+bug/575368 might be it?10:07
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 575368 in openal-soft (Ubuntu) "opening mplayer stops sound (affects: 4) (heat: 52)" [Medium,Confirmed]10:07
om26erSwedeMike, mailing list has a solution might work http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2010-May/079933.html10:14
SwedeMikeom26er: yes, workaround are available, but I think this is a typical problem that should be solved "for real"10:15
om26erSwedeMike, the bug you linked says the problem is fixed with lucid updates. you should report a new bug10:16
SwedeMike"I can also confirm that the updated package (libopenal1) in lucid-proposed", where does it say this has been pushed out?10:17
SwedeMikehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal/+bug/351732 says "status:   New -> Fix Committed "10:17
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 351732 in openal (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "OpenAL crackling issue (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Fix released]10:17
om26erSwedeMike, becuase the last comment was 2months ago so It should definately be in lucid updates10:17
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SwedeMikeom26er: is there any way to tell? what is the process of a package going from proposed to actually released?10:18
om26erits should be in updates as there is no lucid-proposed version here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openal-soft10:20
yofelodd, the changelog says '(LP: #351732, #516435)' but it didn't close the bug10:22
yofelmaybe beacause the package was wrong10:22
SwedeMikeom26er: "2010-05-13 22:13 /usr/lib/libopenal.so.1.12.854" so it does seem like I have the new openal10:23
yofelSwedeMike: what does 'apt-cache policy libopenal1' says for Installed ?10:24
SwedeMike  Installed: 1:1.12.854-0ubuntu1~lucid110:26
yofelthat's right then10:27
yofelclosing the bug10:28
njinHello, in iso testing we need this, can someone triage it bug 60838211:06
ubot2`Launchpad bug 608382 in syslinux (Ubuntu) "Error: Unkown keyword in configuration file (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 34)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60838211:06
* nigelb pokes hggdh re: evolution hook :D11:32
nigelbmicahg: around?11:38
micahgnigelb: kinds12:07
devildantehi everyone12:07
nigelbmicahg: hm, hold on, I'll get the bug list12:07
nigelbneed your help with reviewing a few firefox patches12:08
micahgnigelb: no.....................12:08
micahgnigelb: later? :)12:08
nigelbhahaha, ok12:08
* micahg is running on no sleep12:08
* nigelb kicks micahg out of IRC to bed12:08
micahgnigelb: you can unsub reviewers to bug 58506112:09
ubot2`Launchpad bug 585061 in firefox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Segfaults in nsUrlClassifierDBService.cpp when homedir is inaccessible (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58506112:09
BlackZmicahg: is the bug fixed upstream?12:12
micahgBlackZ: no, but it's being reviewed...the reviewers team can't do anything with Firefox patches for the most part as we generally will not include them in Ubuntu unless upstream approves12:13
BlackZmicahg: yeah, I seen12:13
BlackZunsubscribing, thanks12:14
nigelbBlackZ: nooo12:14
nigelbI dealt with it already12:14
BlackZnigelb: ok, go ahead :P12:14
nigelbBlackZ: I mean.  I already did the needful.  Added "patch-forwarded-upstream" tag.12:15
BlackZnigelb: I refreshed the page now :)12:16
BlackZmicahg: so no need to unsubscribe the team ;)12:16
micahgBlackZ: that's up to you guys12:17
BlackZmicahg: thanks for the notice12:18
nigelbok, so 1469 more to go12:20
nigelb34 down12:20
BlackZnigelb: cool12:20
nigelbI guess I'll take a break for today and clear up another 20 or so tomorrow12:20
BlackZnigelb: great :)12:21
micahgnigelb: better idea, email me the list at your convenience and I'll take a look12:28
nigelbmicahg: ok!13:02
nigelbdamn! you're good! You've got better concentration running on fumes than me on all cylinders13:02
nigelbI saw the epiphany bug and didn't think of the package being wrong ;)13:02
micahgnigelb: I saw it in my email and it said the upstream project was a boulderdash clone13:03
gorillaHi Guy, I have installed Maverick Alpha 2 and have found that the Arduino package adds an entry to both Electronics and Programming menu, could that be a bug?14:07
yofelno, applications can be in more than one menu category14:09
penguin42hmm, in a way it makes sense you know14:09
gorillayofel: okay, thanks.14:10
nigelbcrimsun_: suggestion for the volume bug? patch-needswork?15:16
njinwe have a bug from mark ? bug 609787 he's a triger too ??17:14
ubot2`Launchpad bug 609787 in unity "Ubuntu button edge should be grooved not shadowed (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60978717:14
JoeMaverickSettsometimes an application crashes and apport tries to collect information about the crash, but then it says this *** application is not a genuine package, what should i do then to report the bug?17:16
njinmicahg: around ?17:31
yofelJoeMaverickSett: the package has to be from the official ubuntu archive if you want to report a crash, we don't support 3rd party or ppa packages17:33
njinyofel. can you help me ?17:33
JoeMaverickSettyofel, so if i keep updating certain packages from ppa(s), does that mean that i would not be able to report?17:34
njinyofel: in Places-computer i've the icon of floppy0, but my system haven't any floppy, at wich package assign the bug ?17:35
JoeMaverickSettyofel, the updates should come from ubuntu update itself?17:35
yofelJoeMaverickSett: we only support the application version in the ubuntu archive, if you're using an updated version then you can't report a crash with apport, since we don't support that17:36
yofelyou can certainly use apport-unpack or apport-retrace and send the crash report manually do the developers or the ppa owner17:36
JoeMaverickSettyofel, oh! got it. thanks17:37
yofelnjin: as I don't have a floppy entry here in kde, perhaps nautilus? (I don't have a /media/floppy entry here too so maybe that needs to be removed, then it would be something else)17:38
njinyofel: ok, i open a bug against nautilus then. Thanks17:40
charlie-tcanjin: Mark is not a triager, but he does report bugs at times and we triage them17:44
njincharlie-tca: he has an excellent view !17:46
charlie-tcaand he will even answer if you need more information for it17:47
njinBill never do these !  W Mark17:47
JoeMaverickSetti have a case where my laptop hibernate do not work because i did not install the proprietary graphic driver, everytime it will boot up with screen glitches, so i have to restart the kernel, in that case how do i see the results at the time of error?17:53
JoeMaverickSettafter restarting kernel and rebooting the laptop17:54
penguin42JoeMaverickSett: There is normally a /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old from the previous start of X18:22
penguin42JoeMaverickSett: Also I think /var/log/dmesg.0 and boot.0 or possibly just at the top of the current files I think depending on timing18:23
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, if i can get info from there i can file it as a bug?18:23
penguin42JoeMaverickSett: You can file it as a bug with or without that info, but with would be useful18:23
penguin42I'm fairly sure ther e is a page on diganosing hibernate issues18:23
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, it seems that it would be informative if i can show that, right?18:24
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, and one thing is that apport won't even know that issue happened.18:24
penguin42JoeMaverickSett: is this Radeon or Nvidia?18:24
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, Radeon18:24
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, it seems sort of rare a thing like mine happens.18:25
penguin42OK, well I guess it's one of linux or xserver-xorg-video-radeon18:25
penguin42no; hibernate problems are common18:26
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, i mean like screen glitches and all on reboot from hibernation.18:26
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, i might also be wrong.18:26
penguin42no, I don't think it's that unusual - the graphics drivers interoperate with the bios and the boot sequence in a very complex way and often the bioses and graphics drivers and kernel all interact in a broken way18:27
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, and i'm not really sure it should be called a screen glitch, it sort of like all colours are jumbled up.18:28
penguin42JoeMaverickSett: Have you got a camera? Attaching a picture might be reasoanble18:28
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, yup, i'm thinking of doing it.18:29
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, after i've taken the pic and all. might come back here and take help from you guys to file a bug if necessary.18:29
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, might be of use to the community18:30
penguin42JoeMaverickSett: Even better, you might get your bug fixed!18:30
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, yup. hoping it does. coz i think ubuntu works better with the open source graphic driver18:31
JoeMaverickSettpenguin42, even now switching from application with key bindings are a bit laggy with the proprietary driver, that's what i feel18:32
charlie-tcaWill apport-collect -p add a new source to an existing report?18:53
charlie-tcabug 60747818:54
ubot2`Launchpad bug 607478 in apport (Ubuntu) "Apport-collect didnt add to bug also affects project (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60747818:54
yofelcurrently it won't, not sure if that would be useful or not18:56
charlie-tcaThank you18:56
yofelcharlie-tca: why brainstorm? o.O19:07
vishhehe , i tried unity and noting seems to launch in my system ;p19:12
vishfinally got a terminal open but could not type anything!19:13
vishfor some reason keys got mapped to something else ;)19:13
vishand ended up copy-pasting letters from the about box to execute commands :D19:14
vishboy tough crowd tonite! ;p19:28
charlie-tcayofel: because it may be a useful suggestion. We can gather some opinions on it there19:43
yofelyes, but the wiki page says too19:44
yofelNote: If it is a request to add a feature to a specific program it should be forwarded to the upstream developers instead.19:44
charlie-tcaUbuntu is upstream for it, isn't it?19:44
yofelthat's a feature request for apport-collect, not a general idea to improve ubuntu19:44
charlie-tcaand, it is not a request to add it, it is a report about it being broken19:44
charlie-tcaIt is not broken, it simply is not there19:45
penguin42it would be nice to have stuff like that and reminders on the launchpad bug pages to tell people what to do19:48
yofelsure, but that would be a usability bug in that case19:48
penguin42a usability bug for a missing feature?19:48
yofelpenguin42: well, the reporter thought that -p will add a task for the package, but it doesn't -> usability bug, considering that it never did that I would say it's wishlist, but it's still a but IMO19:49
yofel*still a bug19:49
yofeland IMHO brainstorm should only be used for large changes where a lot of users will be affected and discussion is neccessary, here we're only talking about a small feature of apport that not many people know about19:52
charlie-tcaYou are welcome to change it, then19:53
penguin42is it just something which world need changing in apport or would it need a corresponding change in launchpad?19:54
yofelpenguin42: afaik you can already add new tasks by launchpadlib, would have to look check if that's really the case though19:55
penguin42ok, my point is if it would require a change to both then it would require various people to agree, so brainstorm etc is probably useful; but if it's just something that would need changing in apport to clal an existing interface maybe just the bug would do19:56
yofelyep, there is a addTask(...) function19:59
* penguin42 disappears20:06
groldhi all, how to show that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/youtube-dl/+bug/609545 also affect Lucid Ubuntu release?20:30
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 609545 in youtube-dl (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Fails to download videos (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Unknown,Unknown]20:30
charlie-tcagrold: it shows it already fixed in Ubuntu Lucid.20:33
charlie-tcaThe bug was originally reported against lucid in ubuntu.20:33
groldno - it fexed in ubuntu development (maverick) release20:33
charlie-tcaOoops, I see that now. We can add a lucid task by clicking on nominate for release. Then a SRU will need to be done to have the change put into lucid20:34
groldi dit this (nominate for lucid) and that's all?20:35
charlie-tcayes, but without a SRU it won't happen20:36
groldbut now this bug looks like it fixed20:36
charlie-tcain lucid?20:37
groldit don't showed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/youtube-dl/ and20:37
groldneither https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/youtube-dl/20:37
groldfor example https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/libx11/+bug/507062 - in the header of the bug - it's showed that  bug affects Lucid20:39
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 507062 in libx11 (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed. (affects: 313) (dups: 181) (heat: 1727)" [High,Triaged]20:40
groldhow to make the same with my bug?20:40
ubot2`Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates20:45
vishgrold: ^20:45
groldi nominated the bug for lucid20:46
groldand subscribed untuntu-sru20:46
groldwhat i dit wrong?20:46
vishgrold: which bug are you talking about? just checked one bug now , and it has a lucid task already open20:47
groldthis one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/youtube-dl/+bug/60954520:47
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 609545 in youtube-dl (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Fails to download videos (affects: 3) (heat: 20)" [Unknown,Fix released]20:47
vishgrold: oh , you are triaging .. or are you interested in the fix yourself?20:49
vishnot that it matters just curious ;)20:49
vishgrold: btw , user mentions 9.04 , not lucid..20:50
groldnow i want to know how to label this bug for lucid20:50
groldi think he means 10.0420:51
groldhe means it in initial messages20:51
groldi checkes in 10.04 - and may approve the bug20:51
vishgrold: i'm not familar with that package , but you can cherrypick the patch and do the needful as mentioned in the wiki20:53
vishgrold: update the bug description , add a debdiff ..20:54
groldvish: ok20:55
groldbut i still have a question20:56
micahggrold: BTW, one shouldn't subscribe ubuntu-sru anymore, that would be done by whoever uploads the debdiff20:56
micahggrold: one would attach a debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors20:57
groldhow to show in launshpad bug header that it affects Lucid (like it made for expamle in this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/libx11/+bug/507062 )20:57
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 507062 in libx11 (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "synaptic assert failure: synaptic: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed. (affects: 313) (dups: 181) (heat: 1727)" [High,Triaged]20:57
micahggrold: only a MOTU or core-dev can do that20:57
devildantemicahg: or ubuntu-bugcontrol (?)20:58
micahgdevildante: no20:58
vishdevildante: why bug control ?20:59
vishthey have no control over that ;)21:00
devildantevish: micahg: okay, many thx21:00
vishgrold: that happens only when they approve the nomination , those not in the core-dev can only nominate21:01
groldbut now the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/youtube-dl/+bug/609545 looks like it fixed in ubuntu (and in debian) and not showing anywhere -> will lose?21:02
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 609545 in youtube-dl (Debian) (and 1 other project) "Fails to download videos (affects: 4) (heat: 24)" [Unknown,Fix released]21:02
micahgvish: MOTU can accept universe :)21:02
vishand MOTU ofcourse ,..21:02
* vish was just being lazy :)21:02
vishhehe , i knew micahg would correct that! , should have just typed it :)21:02
micahggrold: no, the nomination will be addressed eventually, a debdiff would speed things along as you can subscribe ubuntu-sponsors21:02
micahgvish: I didn't know MOTU could until a few days ago :)21:03
vishah yeah , i noticed that a couple of weeks ago too21:04
crimsun_nigelb: which volume bug?21:04
vishgrold: fixed usually means fixed in the dev release , so in theory the bug should not exist in a released version and we should have no bugs in releases :)21:05
vishgrold: and if we have a bug in the released version , we nominate the fix for a release ;)21:05
vishhope that was confusing enough :D21:06
groldthanks all21:07
chilicuilhi, I'm just starting to triage, I'd like to help with some easy ones, how can I search for the bugs who dont have a package assigned in lp yet?21:08
vishchilicuil: http://tiny.cc/s36xt21:09
chilicuilvish: thx :)21:12
micahgvish: I think you should show both URLs on the wiki21:20
vishmicahg: i havent removed it , i just hid the long one?  why two of the same?21:21
micahgvish: people might want to craft their own URLs21:22
vishhmm , well they can when the open the link too :)21:22
chilicuilshould I assign 'alsa-base' or 'linux' to the bug 609558?21:52
ubot2`Launchpad bug 609558 in ubuntu "Can't get PC speaker to sound the system beep (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60955821:52
chilicuilit looks to me, like it's an alsa-base related bug since he's unblacklisting 1 module21:53
* crimsun_ perks up21:57
* BUGabundo blinks21:58
BUGabundocrimsun_: you are back!!!21:58
crimsun_chilicuil: so, a bit of background on why that package doesn't (and shouldn't) have a package assigned: in lucid, there are two packages affecting that symptom _in addition to the specific hardware_: alsa-base and linux-image-2.6.32-foo. One simply can't triage it to affect both source packages (alsa-driver and linux, respectively), because ultimately it's a _hardware_ issue.22:01
crimsun_chilicuil: the good news is that, well, you _can_ triage it to affect linux in ubuntu _maverick_, because we've already fixed it there.c22:02
chilicuilcrimsun_: ok, I got it, I'm gonna remove the package (I've already assigned to alsa-driver, lol), then if it's fixed can I just marked as "fixed released"?22:03
crimsun_you can just reassign it to the linux source package, mark it fix released, and add a comment referencing bug 58235022:05
ubot2`Launchpad bug 582350 in linux (Ubuntu) "Please change CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP_MODE to 0 (affects: 1) (heat: 56)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58235022:05
crimsun_the kernel configuration parameter CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP_MODE now acts on the hda beep driver that actually properly handles pc speaker as well in 2.6.3522:05
chilicuilok, I'll do that, thx for the extra information crimsun_ =)22:06
crimsun_double you tee eff. 3D enhancement   : Analog Devices Phat Stereo23:39

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