[02:37] <Nyha> Does Eduuntu have some admin tool for the teacher to view students desktop?
[03:51] <mhall119> italc
[03:51] <mhall119> but you're not here anymore...
[13:12] <Nyha> Does Eduuntu have some admin tool for the teacher to view students desktop?
[13:16] <highvoltage> Nyha: there's a tool called iTalc that can be used for that
[13:18] <Nyha> I'll look in to that, thanks.
[13:23] <Nyha> highvoltage: do you know any others to compare with?
[13:28] <highvoltage> Nyha: none that I can think of, but if you hang around some other people may have some more suggestions :)
[13:34] <alkisg> Nyha: are your clients normal edubuntu workstations or are they thin clients (LTSP)?
[13:37] <alkisg> Anyway, there's also controlaula for normal workstations if you want to compare, but personally I wouldn't even install it because it doesn't get cleanly uninstalled. Some people use it though.
[13:38] <alkisg> And there's also http://wiki.tcosproject.org/Utils/TcosMonitor but I haven't tried it
[13:39] <alkisg> (i'm not sure if it runs outside of the tcos project)
[13:41] <Nyha> alkisg: Im working on building a workstation network and later a thin client, if I can get any here in South Africa ;)
[13:42] <alkisg> Nyha: well if you want to try the others go ahead, but your best bet is italc
[13:43] <Nyha> alkisg: Shu, I'll have a look at them all.
[13:44] <Nyha> alkisg: TcosMontiro use iTalc to remote view... :P
[13:45] <alkisg> Nyha: it can use either italc or vnc
[13:45] <alkisg> ...and, italc uses libx11vnc :)
[13:45] <Nyha> :P
[13:45] <alkisg> So they're all vnc inside...
[13:45] <Nyha> and is this secure?
[13:46] <alkisg> italc is. But of course security comes with a speed/cpu price.
[13:46] <alkisg> My only problem with italc is that it's barely maintained anymore... last release was years ago, I hope the advertised 2.0 version will come later on this year or at least in 2011.
[13:47] <alkisg> (so if it works for you, fine, if it crashes etc don't expect any fixes soon :))
[13:48] <Nyha> alkisg: ah :P
[13:48]  * alkisg had to create his own tools for classroom management - unfortunately not ready for international use yet.
[13:49] <Nyha> Okey?
[13:49] <Nyha> Scripted using other apps?
[13:49] <alkisg> Yes, but put a lot of pygtk in the mix too.
[13:49] <alkisg> +twisted for the networking backend
[13:50] <Nyha> okey :P
[13:50] <Nyha> So its a gui tool
[13:50] <alkisg> http://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/sch-scripts/screenshots
[13:51] <alkisg> In 2 years, if italc 2.0 isn't ready yet, I'll try to push it in the ubuntu repositories :)
[13:51] <alkisg> So for now, go for italc and hope it works fine for you :)
[13:51] <Nyha> Ah elinika...
[13:52] <alkisg> Nyha: ? can you speak greek?!
[13:52] <Nyha> ligo
[13:52] <alkisg> Wraios!! :)
[13:53] <Nyha> I spent two years in tesaloniki and in rodos on rodos..
[13:53] <Nyha> and two mounth in kalamata.
[13:53] <alkisg> Wow, you've been all around Greece!
[13:53] <Nyha> Ofc.
[13:54] <Nyha> :P
[13:56] <Nyha> So you use this litle app as a teacher or as a it-cafe admin?
[13:58] <alkisg> We use it in almost all of the schools in greece that use ubuntu - as teachers ,yeah
[14:01] <Nyha> Cool, it looks like something I'd like to try, Im working on a project in cape town to build Ubuntu-based (ubuntu is Xhosa and Zulu language) computer arias for kids groing up with nothin in the townships..
[14:01] <Nyha> s/arias/areas
[14:03] <alkisg> Sounds good. Take a look at LTSP thin+fat clients too, they're much easier to maintain than standalone labs.
[14:04] <Nyha> alkisg: Ye, at the moment I have 20 "normal" workstations, so this is what I'll start with, than I'll try to find a way to get thin clients for expanding. :P
[14:05] <alkisg> I'm booting all the normal workstations as fat clients, it's much faster this way, and much easier to maintain.
[14:05] <alkisg> (we don't have actual thin clients in any greek schools - only old + new PCs used as thin/fat clients)
[14:07] <Nyha> I have found one problem so far, the workstations bios does not support network booting..
[14:07] <alkisg> That's not a problem, we put gpxe in the windows or linux boot manager
[14:08] <alkisg> Anyway, time to get some work done, bbl.
[14:08] <Nyha> alkisg: thanks for the help :P
[14:08] <alkisg> np - good luck
[22:27] <KE1HA> Is APT-PROXY the best approach for managing applicaiton versions & policy changes on a school LAN/WAN ?