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ulyssesJontheEchidna: Hungarian translation is ready for beta testing^^06:26
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726053955-cror389slbob90t7 * src/AccessToken.h fix include06:40
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726055917-7g8r7z90xa9ns87i * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h) connect signal to signal rather than going via a slot (esp since the slot is private)06:59
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726061826-w0726y7tjh4r3upo * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h AuthHandler.cpp) less debugging more doing07:18
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726070456-v3pf4d5ujvwiamxw * src/HttpDaemon.cpp random cleanup08:05
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726074717-s6vj0z69qlzk23d7 * src/CMakeLists.txt install dbus xml file08:47
CIA-98[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726075759-3tspk231cvktig2j * src/ (18 files in 4 dirs) ubuntuone-auth -> ubuntu-sso08:58
QuintasanAnyone knows where Akonadi or KAddressbook stores information? http://imagebin.ca/view/1rs91W.html  <--- I'm not using these anymore and they popped out after reinstall09:07
ulyssesQuintasan: Are you ready with Muon's polish translation?09:08
QuintasanI'm working on my system now, but I can get over with it now if needed09:10
apacheloggerrekonq crash no 2209:10
ulyssesThere's one more file that should be translated: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/playground-libs/qaptbatch.pot09:10
apacheloggerstill no ptrace09:10
Quintasanulysses: well, no problem09:10
ulyssesQuintasan: JontheEchidna told me that Muon Beta will be released n wednesday, so the translation should be ready before wednesday ;)09:10
Quintasandeleting .config/akonadi/* did not solve the problem :/09:11
* apachelogger is wondering how one should pull off a sensible oauth token storage if fancy ubuntuone uses two realms and realms are the only somewhat unique identifier09:15
apacheloggerwho wants to write a Kubuntu team report?10:15
* apachelogger looks at ulysses10:17
Riddellapachelogger: for what?10:18
Riddellapachelogger: just read dholbach's e-mail and still none the wiser what it's for10:19
apacheloggercommunity building10:19
apacheloggerstop for a minute and look how awesome we are by reflecting our archivements of the near past10:19
* apachelogger doesnt know no other use to team reports than that ^^10:19
apachelogger"To ensure the wider Ubuntu community knows what different people are working, teams are expected to provide short monthly reports of what they are working on. This helps us all know what the project as a whole is working on. "10:20
apacheloggercommunity building :P10:20
apacheloggerRiddell: so I threw a kwallet patch at the desktopcouch people and hope they will do something good with it10:21
apacheloggerwill do the same for the u1 syncdaemon in a bit10:21
ulyssesapachelogger: me?:o10:22
apacheloggeralso I discovered that we now have ubuntu-sso, which is ubuntuone-login rebranded and with different dbus interface (of course not maintaining compability...)10:22
apacheloggerso I started overriding that with the same name using my ubuntuone-auth, which is in pretty good shape again and should work just fine10:23
Riddellapachelogger: apparantly there's only two weeks until suggested pencil's down10:24
apacheloggerwell, suggested is suggested so that one week is left for documentation and stuff ... which is produced on the fly here anyway10:24
apacheloggerRiddell: once I have landed my patches for u1 and desktopcouch and got things to work on maverick we can go into proper alpha + api revu + string revu + translation10:26
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726092750-tkw3uu1gvt62r95r * src/com.ubuntu.sso.service.in update service file10:28
apacheloggerulysses: sure, why not? ;)10:28
ulyssesI'm only a translator:(10:28
apacheloggerulysses: is that a problem?10:29
ulysseslet me read dholbach's mail10:31
ulyssesapachelogger: a link to the mail?10:48
apacheloggerulysses: he just asked councils to keep on getting reports10:48
apacheloggernothing worth reading really :)10:48
apacheloggerubuntu-sso's heap is smaller than libqca ^^10:59
* apachelogger finds qoauth's internal design as weird as the external one :S11:14
jussiapachelogger: ping11:31
Riddelljussi: my mosquito bites are getting worse!11:34
apacheloggerjussi: pongo11:34
jussiRiddell: aww11:34
jussiapachelogger: so... kubotu. and fluffy website... 11:34
jussilike I said... going away11:35
jussiIve still got all your data, just need to move it somewhere11:35
apacheloggerbut where ^^11:36
jussiapachelogger: up to you...11:39
jussifluffy can probably go to ubottu.com, but I need to talk with tsimpson about whether kubotu can go there11:40
jussiI have extremely limited net atm, so Im not able to do much11:41
jussiapachelogger: oh, and quickly, dent while kubotu is here :D11:44
apacheloggerkubotu: identica dent @jussi01 is taking away my only gateway to identica :(11:46
kubotustatus updated11:46
apacheloggerjussi: well, it would be good to have it on ubottu.com because I am not terribly good at finding hosting resources ;)11:47
jussiapachelogger: Ill see what we can do.11:47
jussiwe have like 7 bots on there already...11:47
apachelogger...I think fregl could surely find fluffy a new home...11:47
Quintasanapachelogger: do you need a shell for bot?11:48
jussiapachelogger: fluffy can be on that machine, it doesnt eat that much11:48
apacheloggerQuintasan: very much so11:48
apacheloggerjussi: not yet ;)11:48
jussiI think it might already be synced, I just havent pointed addresses there yet11:48
QuintasanI'm writing from a one, I can't guarantee it is 100% stable but it worked so far11:48
Quintasanso, I think I could host it here11:49
apacheloggerrekonq was eating half my cpu 11:49
apacheloggerhow jolly nice of it11:49
jussiapachelogger: give me a couple of days and we can check resources with tsimpson11:49
* Quintasan wonder why ubuntu won't provide shells for that11:49
* apachelogger hugs jussi11:49
apacheloggerQuintasan: security11:50
jussiQuintasan: they do, but no root :P 11:50
apacheloggersame reason we cannot put up a new version of our own site -.-11:50
jussianyway, I need to go, so if you need kubotu, use it now...11:51
apacheloggerno need here11:52
apacheloggerI dented what I had to dent :P11:52
JontheEchidnanice: http://kde-look.org/poll/index.php?poll=25612:29
Riddelltoday's daily CD in a decent state12:57
Riddelland now I have working backtraces, yay!12:57
Riddellnow let's just see if I can get rekonq to crash13:04
CIA-98[muon] jmthomas * 1154874 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/muon/src/main.cpp Use the legally-binding copyright symbol rather than (c)13:35
RiddellJontheEchidna: nice poll :)13:41
RiddellJontheEchidna: is kubuntu_91_phonon_forget_option.diff upstream? or making its way therre?13:41
JontheEchidnaRiddell: ripped it from opensuse, let me see if their diff header had anything on whether or not it would be upstreamed13:41
JontheEchidna(some of their headers do)13:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: probably sandsmark is the chap to ask13:42
JontheEchidnaSigned-off-by: Lubos Lunak13:44
JontheEchidnaPatch-upstream: no (maybe later)13:44
ubottubugzilla.novell.com bug 609396 in KDE4 Workspace "Removed Sound Devices dialogue haunts roaming users" [Major,Closed: fixed]13:45
JontheEchidnalooks like the plan to upstream it, but haven't13:46
JontheEchidnano reason we can't beat them to the punch I suppose ;)13:46
Riddellhmm, I still get pinentry popping up under all my other windows by taking the key input14:00
shadeslayer_--> shadeslayer_ (~shadeslay@ubuntu/member/shadeslayer) has joined #kubuntu-devel14:01
shadeslayer_* Topic for #kubuntu-devel is "Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Kubuntu Meeting, Monday 19:00UTC, #ubuntu-meeting | http://tinyurl.com/28vjuea | KDE 4.5 Packaging https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging"14:01
shadeslayer_* Topic set by shadeslayer!~shadeslay@ubuntu/member/shadeslayer on Sat Jul 24 08:52:40 201014:01
shadeslayer_ohhhhh i see14:02
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JontheEchidnaRiddell: sandsmark has a better approach that I am following. I think we have won some "points" by asking and such :)14:03
RiddellJontheEchidna: score :)14:03
apacheloggerdo we need council quorum at the meeting?14:10
Quintasananother rc?14:10
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about agenda14:10
ubottuKubuntu Meetings are usually held in #ubuntu-meeting - Agenda and info: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings14:10
shadeslayerQuintasan: eh?14:11
shadeslayerrekonq defaults? what does that mean :P14:12
shadeslayerand.. just fyi... i think we should set the home page as the kubuntu site i.e kubuntu.org14:12
shadeslayerin rekonq that is14:13
* apachelogger better stays in upper austria and attends the meeting than travel to graz14:13
* shadeslayer pokes ttf-mscorefonts-installer with kubuntu stick of doom14:13
* apachelogger could try tomorrow morning 14:13
Quintasanshadeslayer: are you doing those packages?14:14
shadeslayerQuintasan: arent you doing some too?14:14
shadeslayerand yes im working on kdebase14:14
QuintasanI did libs and had to go14:14
shadeslayerfrickin stupid uni14:16
shadeslayerwants Times New Roman in report :/14:16
shadeslayerdid someone sync plasma-widget-fastuserswitch ?14:17
shadeslayerbug 60944814:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 609448 in Ubuntu "Sync plasma-widget-fastuserswitch 0.2.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60944814:18
apacheloggerQUrl is supreme!14:21
shadeslayerQuintasan: also i is sick14:22
apacheloggershadeslayer: only canonical sysadmins can IRc14:23
apacheloggerIIRC even14:23
JontheEchidnaRiddell's archive day is tommorrow, he'll probably get around to syncing it then. (especially if you ask nicely :)14:24
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: he already has it noted....14:25
shadeslayerRiddell: right ^14:25
shadeslayersf is slooooooowwwww14:26
ScottKapachelogger: re konqueror + webkit, not that I know of.14:27
* apachelogger sees a way to not have crashy browsers but at the same time make use of webkitness then ;)14:28
shadeslayerbtw... should i invite someone from rekonq team ?14:29
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: oh, those two reports you made to b.k.o the other day against rekonq turned out to be KIO problems that should be fixed in RC314:29
shadeslayerhehe :P14:29
apacheloggerstill eats more RAMz14:29
Quintasankdelibs svn is still not fixxxord14:29
JontheEchidnanom nom14:29
ScottKshadeslayer: We need to know if there's reasonable hope it'll get a lot less crashy very quickly.14:29
apacheloggerand eat less RAMz14:29
ScottKThey don't need to come to the meeting.14:30
ScottKapachelogger: The crashing solves that.14:30
apacheloggerall your RAM are belongs to nepomuk, akonoadi, desktopcouch and amarok14:30
QuintasanCookies for ScottK 14:30
shadeslayerScottK: you made snot come out my nose :P14:30
QuintasanEverything according to the plan!14:31
QuintasanWhy isnt cdbs pulled by -dev-tools?14:34
QuintasanIn lucid at least14:34
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we shall pray to god that all crashes I get are of the kio kind14:34
apacheloggercrash counter is now at 3014:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: :o14:35
shadeslayeris there a tool to remove all hyperlinks from a doc?14:35
shadeslayerlike i copy paste some stuff into OOo14:35
shadeslayerbrr.. nvm.. seems my logic worked14:36
Quintasanshadeslayer: I hope that you realise we are stalled until we can find a fix for that python crap?14:36
shadeslayerQuintasan: i know14:36
* shadeslayer is counting on apachelogger/python dev to fix14:36
shadeslayerQuintasan: your time to rant14:36
shadeslayeri did it last time14:37
QuintasanI hoped on pulling some strings first14:37
apacheloggershadeslayer: I am no pyth0rn haxx0r14:37
shadeslayerQuintasan: no one loves neon... were orphaned 14:37
ScottKQuintasan: Because CDBS is entirely avoidable and so there's no reason to punish someone by installing it if they've managed not to need it.14:37
apacheloggerI am the one who rewrites pyth0rn in superior Qt14:38
apacheloggersuperior Qt where QUrl returns QList<QPair<QString, QString> > for no good reason14:38
Quintasan> QList<QPair<QString, QString> >14:38
Quintasanthis calls for some banhammer14:39
Quintasanwhat an abomination14:39
apacheloggeractually it is a beauty14:39
apacheloggerjust not very handy14:39
shadeslayerQuintasan: our new default image viewing app for kubuntu 10.10 : http://imgur.com/CCMrp14:40
Quintasanwhy so simple?14:41
shadeslayerid like to keep it simple14:41
shadeslayeralso image path is hardcoded14:41
* Quintasan <3 gwneview14:41
shadeslayerQuintasan: my app takes up <5 MB14:42
shadeslayercan gwenview do that ? 14:42
Riddellbulldog98: where did you put your kdevelop-php package?14:43
shadeslayeroh oh .. was kdevplatform sponsored?14:44
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: thanks for ack 14:46
apacheloggerby the supremacy of QtI made http://paste.ubuntu.com/469348/ into http://paste.ubuntu.com/469350/14:47
Quintasandid I break kde-sc-dev-latest?14:48
shadeslayerQuintasan: i uploaded that package14:50
Quintasankde-sc-dev-latest: Breaks: kdepimlibs5-dev (< 4:4.4.95) but 4:4.4.92-0ubuntu1 is to be installed.14:50
shadeslayeryou uploaded a new one?14:50
shadeslayerapparently not...14:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: which means you need to uploade kdepimlibs14:51
Quintasanman, you are giving me additional work14:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: switch machines and i can do kdepimlibs14:51
ScottKshadeslayer: I hope you aren't serious about replacing Gwenview.  That's pretty much not going to happen.14:51
shadeslayerScottK: hah... you took that seriously .. lol14:52
shadeslayerthe buttons dont even work14:52
shadeslayerthats just my Qt test app14:52
ScottKOK.  Just making sure.14:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: i haz gnome klippy http://imgur.com/lUoCG14:56
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726135811-smlih2mit5c7c5tr * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h AuthHandler.cpp HttpDaemon.cpp) more performance, less heap, more reliable, more generic, simply put more awesome14:58
apacheloggershadeslayer: that aint got notthing to do with gnome but sun14:59
apacheloggerlet the sun shine14:59
shadeslayerstill looks gnomeish14:59
apacheloggerleeeeet the sun shine14:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: that is cause it is tha gtk plus14:59
* shadeslayer thinks he should pop some more pills to make the pain go away15:00
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726140114-fa88qy7gkdyv490a * src/AccessToken.cpp all your RAM are belong to my memleaks!15:01
apacheloggershadeslayer: kubotu got good ones, if only that poor bugger were around15:03
apacheloggerthere is still a memleak15:03
* apachelogger fires up the valgrind15:03
shadeslayerapachelogger: how does you detect memleaks?15:03
apacheloggerwith the valgrind15:03
apacheloggeror by looking at the codez15:03
ScottKkwave needs porting to Qt 4.7: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52468474/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.kwave_0.8.5-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz15:05
shadeslayerif only i could codez15:07
shadeslayerand had time to codez15:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: hahaha... imageview : http://pastebin.ca/190857115:07
shadeslayer( thats what im calling my app :P )15:08
shadeslayerwhut? :P15:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.com/k1S8F5UV15:11
shadeslayerjust 996 bytes... bytes15:12
ScottKNC|Alaska: Vacation or work?  Any chance you can fix kde4libs soon?15:12
shadeslayeroh goody.. kdebase is borked http://pastebin.com/LQkryepR15:13
shadeslayeruh oh15:15
* shadeslayer thought he fix0red the patch15:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: no no it can be any between 996 and 90k 15:16
apacheloggeralso if every KDE dev would say "just 996 bytes" your system would be eaten in less than 5 minutes after boot :P15:16
shadeslayerok suppose i fixed a patch with quilt edit file.cpp and then did quilt refresh, what do i do to save the patch? or did quilt refresh do that?15:18
* apachelogger thinks that there is some flux that causes ubuntu-sso to appear leaking but in fact it does not15:19
apacheloggershadeslayer: quilt refresh did update the patch on the top of the applied stack15:19
Quintasanshadeslayer: uploaded kdepimlibs15:19
apacheloggermy ubuntu-sso is consuming 1180 if not doing anything (of which the biggest part is libqca just for the record ;))15:21
apacheloggerthe pyth0rn thing consumes 8928 doing nothing15:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: dude how do you pass valgrind log to kcachegrind?15:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.com/hvwLX1hW << does that look right?15:29
shadeslayerregarding this http://pastebin.com/LQkryepR15:30
apacheloggershadeslayer: whate are you trying to fix there? Oo15:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: i had to refresh the patch15:32
apacheloggerthe error you pasted is because it cannot find the KIdleTime header15:33
apachelogger../../../../nepomuk/services/strigi/strigiservice.cpp:31:21: error: KIdleTime: No such file or directory15:33
apacheloggersupposedly strigiservice.cpp holds #include <KIdleTime> at that line15:33
JontheEchidna(btw, that patch can go now that we are disabling strigi outright)15:33
RiddellScottK: I've uploaded kde4libs to the arm PPA, hopefully my patch does the right thing15:33
shadeslayeri had to refresh patch since it did not apply15:33
RiddellNC|Alaska: ^^15:33
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: can it?15:34
JontheEchidnayes, delete it15:34
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: is it possible to get debuild to install the deps itself?15:36
JontheEchidnaI don't think so15:36
ScottKRiddell: Cool.15:37
ScottKshadeslayer: apt-get build-dep.15:37
shadeslayerof course :S15:37
ScottKRiddell: Clearly we can't have rekonq for Maverick.  Upstream is not supporting Qt 4.7/KDE 4.5. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=239005#c115:40
ubottuKDE bug 239005 in general "rekonq crash when closing tabs" [Crash,Resolved: invalid]15:40
ScottKshadeslayer: ^^^ I think rekonq is out.15:40
shadeslayerScottK: works for me too15:41
ScottKI don't see we have much of a choice.15:42
apacheloggerRiddell: u1 syncd patch also thrown at appropriate people15:44
RiddellScottK: we need to check if that'll change for rekonq 1.0 but yeah it's not looking good15:44
Riddellshadeslayer: the rekonq bugs are thread related and don't seem to be easily reproducable with given circumstances, but they do occur too frequently to be shippable15:45
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726145249-4didkyg4tw1ks81f * src/AccessToken.cpp proxy support15:53
shadeslayerRiddell: btw, will it be possible to ship konqueror with webkitpart16:17
Riddellshadeslayer: it's an option, it would need people to look into it and see if it's stable and the konqueror config dialogue actually does want it says16:19
shadeslayerok... but its really a shame.... someone who tries kubuntu for the first time, cant browse sites properly with konqueror16:21
QuintasanI failed :S16:24
Quintasanuploaded without ~ppa116:24
shadeslayerQuintasan: hehe16:25
shadeslayerruntim is still building16:25
shadeslayersetting up cowbuilder side by side16:25
QuintasanI even uploaded to neon16:27
Quintasanstupid aliases16:28
QuintasanI need to clean this crap16:28
shadeslayerQuintasan: whut :P16:29
Quintasanwhy on earth delete packages disappered16:29
* Quintasan needs to type url by hand16:30
ScottKshadeslayer: So all we need is a Qt webkit browser that's suitable.16:35
* ScottK tried arora again and it seems somewhat functional, but slow.16:36
ScottKIt is at least less crashy than rekonq.16:36
shadeslayerScottK: if we switch to konqueror.. i beg of you... use webkitpart16:36
apacheloggerI tell you16:36
apacheloggerkonqueror + webkitpart16:36
apachelogger= win16:36
ScottKshadeslayer: How does one set the up for testing?16:36
ScottKapachelogger: ^^^?16:36
Quintasanit works with facebook?16:36
shadeslayerScottK: quit easy16:37
shadeslayerQuintasan: yeah16:37
ScottKshadeslayer: How, not how hard is it.16:37
apacheloggerQuintasan: it is kwebkit in konqueror16:37
shadeslayerScottK: install kpart-webkit16:37
QuintasanScottK: sudo aptitude install webkitkde16:37
Quintasanshadeslayer: that's for maverick? :P16:37
JontheEchidnawebkitpart is not an option, as it causes half of the options in konqueror to become ineffective, due to their integration with the KHTML part16:37
* ScottK is asking for Maverick.16:37
apacheloggeryou get all the benefits of long serving allandeverything browser and the super fast webkittens16:37
QuintasanScottK: then disregard mine16:38
shadeslayerScottK: then keditfiletype text/html16:38
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: better than crashy crashy bang bang still16:38
shadeslayerthen embedding tab > move webkitpart to top16:38
* apachelogger does think we should use flipping firefox though16:38
Quintasando not even consider this16:39
* ScottK likes Chromium, but it's not suitable for Main, really.16:39
QuintasanI call it FaggotFox16:39
Quintasanapachelogger: ^16:39
shadeslayerScottK: yeah chromium++16:39
shadeslayertoo bad it cant go to main16:39
ScottKQuintasan: Not funny nor suitable for the channel.16:41
ScottKJontheEchidna: What is it you're worried about not working right with the webkit part?16:43
shadeslayeri was about to ask that :P16:43
QuintasanScottK: I was referring to the program itself, not to users16:43
JontheEchidnaScottK: half of the options in Konqueror's config dialog are tied to KHTML, and don't affect the webkit part16:43
JontheEchidnaScottK: so switching to webkit part "breaks" these options, in effect.16:43
ScottKQuintasan: I understand, it's still not appropriate language for the channel.16:43
ScottKJontheEchidna: I see.16:44
Quintasanshadeslayer: fix'd kdepimlibs upload16:45
apacheloggerat the bottom is stuff that is in khtml but not the kpart 16:45
ScottKJontheEchidna: Of the webkit options I see available, it seems to suck the least.16:45
ScottKThat's based on ~5 miuntes of testing.16:45
* apachelogger is listening to DRS 1 ^^16:45
apacheloggerthe beauty of the intarwebs ^^16:46
ScottKCan we hide the options that are tied to khtml so we at least aren't misleading?16:46
JontheEchidnathen khtml users wouldn't be able to use them either, unless they can conditionally be loaded16:46
QuintasanPlus, from what I read I conclude that we would hide MANY options16:47
apacheloggerQuintasan: swiss german radio16:47
ScottKKonqueror + webkit does pass the facebook test.16:48
JontheEchidnaScottK: try going to youtube.com. I get an instacrash with webkit16:48
QuintasanJontheEchidna: why did muon fail in k-n ppa?16:48
QuintasanJontheEchidna: works here fine16:48
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: oh, you can just delete that. It's a bad tarball16:48
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: with konqueror + webkit?16:48
JontheEchidnaon 10.10?16:48
ScottKJontheEchidna: Facebook IS the internet.  Don't you know that?16:48
QuintasanJontheEchidna: on 10.0416:49
JontheEchidnaI'd imagine it'd crash on facebook too, seeing as it's a flash crash16:49
apacheloggeryoutube crash16:49
apacheloggeris that reproducable :D16:49
ScottKNot yet.16:49
apacheloggercause I am using the html5tube ^^16:49
dantti_speaking of webkit someone knows why webkit from qt is not as good as from gg chrome or even midore?16:49
JontheEchidnachrome has several hundred paid developers working on its webkit implementation16:50
ScottKCrashed on cnn.com video.16:50
Quintasanapachelogger: and it works?16:50
QuintasanScottK, JontheEchidna: hmm I use konq 4.4.92 + kpart-webkit and it works16:51
ScottKInsta crash on Youtube here.16:51
shadeslayerme too16:51
shadeslayeron maverick here16:51
dantti_JontheEchidna: what about midori then?16:51
JontheEchidnawe should just use firefox, really16:52
JontheEchidnadantti_: dunno16:52
JontheEchidnathe gtk webkit is better I guess?16:52
shadeslayergtk has webkit? :P16:52
apacheloggerQuintasan: yup16:52
JontheEchidnathey pretentiously named the GtkWebkit libwebkit :/16:52
Quintasanno really, please no Firefox16:52
apacheloggerQuintasan: well, at least I dint see no crash with it16:52
JontheEchidnaand firefox actually works with websites16:53
apacheloggerthere was a nu webkitpart release yesterday16:53
ScottKThe crash here is in nspluginviewer.16:53
QuintasanJontheEchidna: yep, and eats tons of ramz just staying in background16:53
* apachelogger agrees with JontheEchidna 30000% 16:53
apacheloggerQuintasan: so does rekonq16:53
apacheloggerjust that rekonq crashes so quickly that it cannot even leak into my RAMz ^^16:54
JontheEchidnayeah, QtWebKit is ramz hungry too16:54
QuintasanIsn't that fixable in a resonable ammount of time?16:54
dantti_JontheEchidna: have you tried this website, the diference is huge :P http://desandro.com/articles/opera-logo-css/16:54
apacheloggerQuintasan: reducing RAMz eating  is mostly not fixable in a reasonable amount of time unless you know the code completely and entirely16:55
apacheloggerand sometimes not even then because of given limitations16:55
apacheloggerspeed vs. ram usage16:55
apacheloggerah, DRS 1 has awful music16:55
* apachelogger looks for something french16:56
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726160310-o4lof1x9zzzfxtes * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h) consitifcation17:03
* apachelogger hugs \\sh17:06
txwikingerapachelogger: apt-get remove ubuntuone17:07
apacheloggerif only I could :P17:07
macowatching DVDs on linux is now legal in the US!17:10
QuintasanHmm, how do you call the act when many people sue one company over the same thing?17:10
macoQuintasan: class-action lawsuit17:10
CIA-98[ubuntu-sso] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726161042-g7g7c22g321in2mg * src/ (AccessToken.cpp AccessToken.h) introducing realmKey() streamlining ubuntuone.com and one.ubuntu.com and hellokitty.com to "ubuntuone"17:11
Quintasanmaco: thanks17:12
QuintasanI hope Motorola gets that17:12
Riddellal: how are .desktop files in quassel translated?17:16
alRiddell: intltool-something which i had to patch to make it work17:17
alRiddell: the patch was refused upstream as they blamed the incorrect .po format17:19
al(which was generated by launchpad, which according to intltool upstream is impossible)17:21
Riddellal: so what .pot file do they come from?17:22
alRiddell: one that already was imported into the ubuntu-quassel lp project before i started working on the translation stuff17:26
alRiddell: it's not even a real file afaict, just the desktop-quassel template in launchpad. don't know who put it there17:26
Riddellhttps://translations.edge.launchpad.net/quassel/ only lists " i18n-master" for me17:27
Riddellah, from the packages17:28
Riddellwell that makes things much easier :)17:28
Riddellal: that's generated by our package uploads so "who put it there" is a bit meaningless17:30
Riddellexcept it's been broken for the last few months, fixing now17:30
alRiddell: i see17:31
shadeslayerQuintasan: dude.. cowbuilder is almost the same as pbuider :S17:37
shadeslayeronly difference is base.tgz extraction17:37
apacheloggerkwallet does transfer queries in plaintext over dbus17:48
apacheloggerthat is one secure storage right there ^^17:48
apacheloggeranyone used QCA for aes here?17:53
shadeslayermeeting in 2 hours \o/17:56
* apachelogger didnt even prepare yet17:57
* ulysses has en exam next day, and didnt prepare yet17:59
* apachelogger hugs ulysses and sends him off to learn18:19
shadeslayerwhats there to prepare? :P18:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: a video depicting rekonq crashing 300,000 times ? :D18:19
apacheloggersweet supremacy18:20
* apachelogger shall encrypt0r his ubuntu-sso implementation18:20
apacheloggereven though kwally does send the stuff in plaintext -.-18:21
ulyssesapachelogger: first aid for the driver licence:P18:22
apacheloggerulysses: and that my friend is something I actually think is worth learning for18:22
ulyssesyeah, after one and a half mounth exam at the university...18:23
apacheloggerif I was involved in a car accident and you happen to arrive shortly thereafter I sure want you to be able to save my life :)18:23
ulyssesof course, a Kubuntu dev and the dev of the u1-kde can't die18:24
* shadeslayer hates kdebase for not listening to him18:26
shadeslayerlet lp take care of the building stuff :/18:27
apacheloggerI think encrypting that junk is not gonna be a whole lot difficult18:37
apacheloggerprobably needs some librar0ry skillz though18:37
Riddellrot13 isn't hard to implement :)18:38
CIA-98[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100726174049-rh9gyp5ne0ed3wtp * src/api/Api.cpp query right key from kwallet ... should really query ubuntu-sso (that however wishes for encrypted data transfer)18:41
apacheloggerRiddell: hehe19:06
apacheloggerRiddell: encryption is not the problem, QCA pretty much takes care of all the standard things ... establishing a session is the greater challange IMHO :)19:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: ../../../../nepomuk/services/strigi/strigiservice.cpp:31: fatal error: KIdleTime: No such file or directory << needs fix0ring19:08
apacheloggerwhat package is that for starters19:08
shadeslayeralso i guess it needs to be fixed upstream19:08
apacheloggerno fix ustream19:09
apacheloggerbuild against the right version of kdelibs :P19:09
apacheloggerKIdleTime is probably new in the latest rc19:09
apacheloggerso either the kdelibs package did not pick this new file up or you are building against the wrong kdelibs19:09
JontheEchidnaKIdleTime's been around since 4.3. I'd make sure that the kdelibs packaging wasn't messed up19:10
shadeslayerapachelogger:  *** 4:4.4.95-0ubuntu1~ppa1 019:10
shadeslayerso thats up to Quintasan to fix0r19:10
apacheloggerkdelibs is the broken then19:10
apacheloggerwell then19:10
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apacheloggerubuntuone-kde just got a finer browser than kubuntu :P19:10
shadeslayerQuintasan: fix kdelibs.. causes kdebase-runtime to ftbfs19:11
JontheEchidnaas you can see, the capitalized KIdleTime style include was introduced in rc319:11
apacheloggertold ya19:12
JontheEchidnathis capitalized style is not included in -dev19:12
JontheEchidnaonly the old kidletime.h19:12
apacheloggertold ya that too19:12
apacheloggeryou people are not listening to me :19:12
* apachelogger did not even look at the diff and knew 19:12
* apachelogger should hire at oracle ^^19:12
JontheEchidnaKIdleTime has been around since 4.3, but the capitalized style include is new19:12
JontheEchidnaso technically we were both right :P19:12
shadeslayerand i was bashing my head against this for the past 2 hours :S19:13
* JontheEchidna larts Quintasan with the list-missing stick19:13
apacheloggerthat said19:13
apacheloggermy pbuilder hook still uses cdbs for that19:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: same here19:13
apacheloggerI shall rewrite it in superior technology19:13
apacheloggernamely ther perlz19:13
apacheloggerRiddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/ubuntuone-with-intarwebs.ogv <= looks how cool 19:15
apachelogger<3 kwebview19:16
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: can you dent that? jussi took away my kubotu and mtux took away my choqok ;)19:16
apacheloggerit got a kwebview!!!!19:17
* apachelogger thinks that this somewhat could be used instead of building the widgety magic to allow device management in the KCM19:18
apacheloggerguess what19:18
apacheloggerrekonq crash '19:18
shadeslayerapachelogger: nice19:18
ubottuKubuntu Meetings are usually held in #ubuntu-meeting - Agenda and info: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings19:18
apacheloggerenough haxx0ring19:19
apacheloggertime to repare for some serious business19:19
apacheloggerno memberships today?19:19
shadeslayer40 mins19:19
apacheloggerhow sad19:19
shadeslayerheh :p19:19
apacheloggeroh I meant to talk to some people about that anywayz19:19
* apachelogger highers todo item priority19:19
apacheloggerrekonq crash again19:20
apacheloggerand again19:20
apacheloggerand again19:20
apacheloggerand again19:20
apacheloggerand again19:21
apacheloggerand again19:21
* apachelogger gives up19:21
shadeslayerapachelogger: aww..19:21
macoyeah rekonq is a sad panda on mav19:21
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: groovy19:21
macoits not so crashy on lucid19:21
* apachelogger hands JontheEchidna a cookie and hugs the cookie19:21
* JontheEchidna looks at the resulting cookie crumbs19:22
apacheloggermaco: you know, I thought it was crashy on lucid ... but that was nothing compared to this here19:22
* apachelogger is the scared19:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: no kubotu -> no world's finest cookies19:22
JontheEchidnawhere is teh kubotu???19:22
apacheloggerso you really do not want to get any cookies right now19:22
macoapachelogger: aww why cant the one for kubuntu be Kubuntu One?19:22
apacheloggerthey are probably totally mediocre or so19:22
apacheloggermaco: cause I will make KubuntuCloud : public OwnCloud {}; :P19:23
shadeslayernice ^^19:23
shadeslayermaco: i asked him the same thing 2 days ago i think19:23
apacheloggeranyhow, we could call the client kubuntu one, but that would kinda break the branding altogether19:23
JontheEchidna^which is another good reason why Ubuntu One should leave Ubuntu out of the brand name19:24
* shadeslayer goes back to writing reports19:24
apacheloggerthe agenda itmes are very descriptive today :/19:24
* JontheEchidna feels sad for this: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/oxygen-molecule19:25
apacheloggeris that the pixmap based thingy?19:25
JontheEchidnabut really, if no GPL is shipped and no file claims GPL-ness, then it's not distributable19:25
shadeslayerwhich reminds me...19:25
shadeslayeri haz to fix qipmsg19:26
shadeslayerbut i cant find timez :S19:26
apacheloggeraye it is not free software unless it claims to be free software19:26
JontheEchidnaheh, this does mean that suse is shipping not free software in its default install19:27
apacheloggerthat is not a first I am sure ;)19:27
JontheEchidnasee also: soprano-backend-sesame19:27
apacheloggerso video  playerz we have dragon, kaffeine and possible vlc as contestent?19:28
JontheEchidnayeah. mplayer seems to be out of it due to licensing-issues with dependencies19:29
apacheloggerwell, smplayer is horribly ugly anyway19:29
apacheloggermore so than kaffeine and vlc combined19:29
JontheEchidnawhat about kmplayer? (haven't checked that one out)19:29
apacheloggerdoesnt it also have ugly UI?19:30
JontheEchidnahmm, looking at screenies, yeah19:30
apacheloggerthe only somewhat good looking player is really bangarang I think :S19:30
apacheloggerof the more popular ones anyway19:30
apacheloggerwhat is with message indicator again?19:31
shadeslayeraltho i would like to see VLC on the cd19:31
shadeslayerjust because almost everyone coming from windows will know how to use it19:32
apacheloggertrue that19:32
apacheloggerubuntu got firefox, but we would then have vlc19:32
apacheloggerso it is facebook vs. p0rn in a popularity contenst19:32
shadeslayerand you know what wins...19:33
* apachelogger thinks we would win with vlc and take all them ubuntu users19:33
shadeslayertotally 19:33
dantti_Riddell: how many hours do I have left :P19:34
shadeslayerwth... spell check = fail on kword19:34
apacheloggercan someone update the kwebkitpart?19:34
shadeslayerapachelogger: new beta release?19:34
* shadeslayer looks into it19:35
apacheloggerI suppose ours is older ^^19:35
dantti_Riddell:  I have found that the pk-qt bug wasn't actually a pk-qt bug, so I'm trying now to just fix aptcc to proper show the distro updates and make a kpk 0.6.119:35
shadeslayerQuintasan: go fix0r kdelibs19:35
Quintasanapachelogger: do so, I tried changing it to dh_install but crap didnt work19:35
Quintasanwhat is wrong exacly?19:35
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: ^19:35
apacheloggerQuintasan: huh?19:35
Quintasanlist-missing yields nothing19:35
* apachelogger does not follow19:35
Quintasanapachelogger: listmissing hook19:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: the KIdleTIme stuff19:36
apacheloggerQuintasan: dh_install is inferior19:36
Quintasanlast time I was told cdbs is inferior19:36
apacheloggerthe list-missing stuff from cdbs acts on global scale19:36
apacheloggercdbs is, but not that target19:36
apacheloggerwell, the target also has its problems (like with manpages since those get compressed...)19:37
JontheEchidnadantti_: is kde bug 225404 a pk-qt bug?19:37
ubottuKDE bug 225404 in general "KPackageKit tools still crash on some situations (even after Fedora 0 5 4-2 package) [QObject/QMetaObject::*, PackageKit::ClientPrivate::serviceOwnerChanged]" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22540419:37
JontheEchidnait seems to have quite a few dupes19:38
QuintasanMuon is superior19:38
apacheloggerthe supremacy of muon is undeniable19:40
apacheloggerI always was wondering19:40
apacheloggerwhy in the name of the teletubbies does the ubuntu beta font not obey the font naming scheme?19:40
QuintasanShip it as default in 10.1019:40
QuintasanI demand it19:40
dantti_JontheEchidna: well the serviceOwnerChanged is a change in pk-qt, that I don't see it anymore in pk-qt 0.619:40
ulyssesQuintasan: +119:41
QuintasanOr at least add a big popup after install that KPK ears children so we recommend Muon19:41
shadeslayerQuintasan: +1k19:41
* Quintasan would use some fancy GUI if not KPK19:42
apacheloggerdantti_: kpk is entirely model based isn't it?19:42
Quintasan<3 aptitude19:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: also.. if you install ubuntu beta font + use autohinting.... kubuntu becomes ultimate19:42
apacheloggerI do not install buggy packages intentionally19:43
Quintasanis that new font that really nice?19:43
QuintasanCLOSED testing of so called open font is well, not really rational?19:44
shadeslayerQuintasan: want a screenshot?19:44
shadeslayerive used the font since i was granted access to the PPA19:44
dantti_apachelogger: yup19:44
JontheEchidnadantti_: the function still seems to be there in 0.6.519:45
apacheloggerQuintasan: ^ there, writing a new UI for KPK is not gonna become much easier than that19:45
dantti_JontheEchidna: you mean the problem?19:45
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://imgur.com/DoyZd19:45
JontheEchidnadantti_: maybe I misunderstood what you said. I thought you said that serviceOwnerChanged wasn't in 0.619:46
dantti_Quintasan: KPK eats children?19:46
apacheloggerto me the font looks like arial had a wild night with comic sans19:46
ScottKQuintasan: It is intended to be an openly usable font.  It's not a collaboratively developed font, so I'd not worry about the font.19:47
apacheloggerand then the women of those two smoked and did drugs19:47
JontheEchidnahere's what the ubuntu font looks like with my hinting settings: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopaj987919:47
apacheloggerand now capital letter sizing is all off19:47
shadeslayeraltho.. i would like the monospace font released too19:47
dantti_JontheEchidna: well the bug with serviceOwnerChanged happened when packagekitd died or exit and pk-qt deleted wrong stuff, which is fixed in pk-qt (or at least I can't reproduce it here anymore19:47
JontheEchidnais there a fix we can backport?19:48
apacheloggercan someone ditch me the ttf?19:49
shadeslayerapachelogger: sure one sec19:49
dantti_I'm not so sure I asked the old maintainer to rewrite lot's of stuff so I'm not too sure I could track it down...19:49
QuintasanJontheEchidna: what is missing?19:49
Quintasanmy hooks are dumb it seems19:50
JontheEchidnaoh well, marking dupes of that helped get me on top of the KDE bug list :D https://bugs.kde.org/weekly-bug-summary.cgi19:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: mailed19:50
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: /usr/include/KDE/KIdleTime or somesuch19:50
* Quintasan breaks the build19:51
dantti_JontheEchidna: pk-qt was nicely written but the author of it use gnome and didn't use kpk so all bugs I found I had to fix myself19:51
apacheloggershadeslayer: cheers19:51
JontheEchidnadantti_: doesn't sound like too much fun :(19:51
dantti_now that I'm the maintainer of it, it might get better (I hope so)19:51
Quintasanshadeslayer: TBH, ubuntu font is inferior to ttf-droid19:52
shadeslayerubuntu font ++19:52
apacheloggerQuintasan: ack19:52
shadeslayerwhen i showed it to other people in #kde-in they said they wanted the font too19:53
QuintasanUse Droid Sans Japanese19:53
QuintasanIt looks just neat!19:53
shadeslayerand it looked far better than anything else19:53
Quintasanshadeslayer: obviously you didn't use Droid TTF19:53
shadeslayerQuintasan: i have19:53
apacheloggerthat is because kubuntu has superior font rendering capabilities19:53
apacheloggercoming from unupstreamed ubuntu patches in fontconfig or somesuch19:53
shadeslayerQuintasan: still i use ubuntu font19:54
QuintasanWell, your choice, I find that font eeew19:54
apacheloggermaybe it is just me but proportions are off19:54
apacheloggerthere is this "U which (due to the ") is much larger than the other caps19:55
macoisnt droid the one with weird kerning?19:55
apacheloggerthrowing the whole thing off course19:55
QuintasanIt just doesn't look like a font that should be used in OS19:55
Quintasanmaco: kerning?19:55
macoQuintasan: funky spacing between letters19:55
apacheloggeralso the umlaut points are for some reason stronger than the point on the i19:56
QuintasanIt seems that my sugesstion was not seen19:56
apacheloggeralso teh q does look super horrible19:56
Quintasanmaco: did you try Droid Sans Japanese @ 10?19:57
ScottKFortunately there is no qubuntu.19:57
apacheloggerbecause it does proportionally not go very "deep"19:57
QuintasanIt looks better19:57
apacheloggerwhich makes the whole line like crunched IMHO19:57
macoQuintasan: no i havent played much with japanese fonts19:57
apacheloggerlet me show you how that looks at my regular font size on the netbook19:57
Quintasanmaco: it looks different + it has japanese symbols19:57
Riddelldantti_: no rush, seems alpha 3 isn't until next week19:57
shadeslayerNeed to get 301MB of archives. << thanks guys :D19:58
apacheloggerI dont know about you19:58
shadeslayeras well as After this operation, 198MB of additional disk space will be used.19:58
Riddell** Kubuntu Meeting in a minute in #ubuntu-meeting19:59
apacheloggerbut the capital letters do not really look capital at all19:59
apacheloggerin relation to the other letters19:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: dude.. that is so small19:59
QuintasanJontheEchidna: usr/bin/preparetips <--- that would go where?19:59
macoi like single-pixel fonts19:59
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: debian/not-installed19:59
Quintasanapachelogger: what is that font?19:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: you should consider investing in a better screen :P19:59
Quintasanoh great19:59
apacheloggerQuintasan: you bun too beta20:00
Quintasanoh, it is there20:00
ScottKRiddell: I tried to fix the javascript config thing to turn autohide off for netbook and demolished it (locally).  Do you know how to do that?20:00
Quintasanyus, dh_install is inferior20:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: heh20:00
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I love these charts that the release script makes: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopqf987920:00
QuintasanJontheEchidna: the whole builds fails just because of +usr/include/KDE/KIdleTime ?20:00
RiddellJontheEchidna: council ping20:01
JontheEchidnaRiddell: council pong20:01
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: hrrhrr20:01
* Quintasan lol'd hard20:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://pastebin.com/QSmCqYcn < hahahaha20:01
shadeslayerweirdest error20:02
Quintasanwhy do I get those strange errors with permission denied when debuild -S is running? 20:05
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shadeslayerQuintasan: because you have to remove the older .debs20:08
shadeslayerfrom the parent dir20:08
Quintasanshadeslayer: those are permissions denied from .pc <-- patches from quilt20:09
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://pastebin.com/QSmCqYcn any ideas?20:09
Quintasanshadeslayer: those are in any install files?20:10
Quintasantry putting them in not-installed for one build and see what happens20:11
MIH1406 /msg nickserv identify 254223 20:11
macoMIH1406: time to change that password?20:11
shadeslayerQuintasan: nope20:11
QuintasanMIH1406: that was fatal mistake20:12
shadeslayerQuintasan: btw we dont ship .mo files20:12
* Quintasan takes over MIH1406 login20:12
shadeslayerstripped by LP they are20:12
Quintasanso put them in not-installed20:12
Quintasanshadeslayer: this is thrown by lp builder or ur local builder?20:13
shadeslayerQuintasan: local build.. but this is apachelogger's l10n magic20:13
MIH1406maco: thank you, I did not think in that.20:13
Quintasanshadeslayer: just try it, you saw that his magic sometimes doesn't work20:14
MIH1406maco: what is this: -*- Quintasan takes over MIH1406 login?20:14
macoMIH1406: Quintasan making a joke about using your password against you20:14
QuintasanMIH1406: you posted your nickserv password :P20:14
QuintasanMy, failed jokes are sure bad :<20:14
MIH1406But i made a mistake it is not the correct password ;)20:14
MIH1406I am lucky20:14
shadeslayerMIH1406: rofl20:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: no that is your fault actually20:15
shadeslayerapachelogger: how so?20:15
apacheloggerI do not know ^^20:15
shadeslayerive never seen this error20:15
apacheloggerwell it happens when dh_install is invoked with fail-missing20:16
apacheloggerand it is fail-missing because the mo files are notinstalled20:16
shadeslayereven after putting them in not-installed :P20:16
apachelogger!info kwebkitpart maverick20:16
ubottuPackage kwebkitpart does not exist in maverick20:16
apacheloggershadeslayer: yes20:16
apacheloggernot-installed only affects the pbuilder hook20:16
QuintasanOh? :O20:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: then rules file should be fix0red20:16
Quintasanwell, testbuilding kdelibs so nooone will complain anymore20:17
shadeslayerQuintasan:            This option is like --list-missing, except if a file was missed, it will not only list the missing files, but also fail with a  nonzero exit code20:17
shadeslayerfrom man page20:17
apacheloggershadeslayer: the install should be fix0rd20:17
apacheloggerbecause you are missing files!!!!!!20:17
shadeslayerbut why do we need .mo files?20:18
shadeslayerLP strips them20:18
QuintasanI dunno about l10n magic, but stripping makes me think it goes to another package20:19
shadeslayerQuintasan: theyre imported by LP20:19
shadeslayeras far as i understand the magic20:19
Quintasanadd them to l10n-magic-fails.install20:19
Quintasanand try it then20:20
apacheloggershadeslayer: didnt I explain in detail how that l10n foo goes :P20:20
QuintasanThe problem with magic is that you need pylons20:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: nope20:20
apacheloggerwell, I shall do so after the meeting then20:20
shadeslayeri just know that the l10n foo gets stripped20:20
Quintasanshadeslayer: you should hear "WE NEED TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS" in your head when it fails20:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: ill be sleeping after meet20:21
QuintasanJontheEchidna: ^^ <--- make it so in Muon20:21
shadeslayercollege tommorow 20:21
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: more like, nuclear launch detected20:21
apacheloggershadeslayer:  you shall never know the secrets of l10n then :P20:22
apacheloggershadeslayer: actually you could go and read about it on the wiki20:22
dantti_JontheEchidna: what do you think about showing the extended_description like http://pusling.com/blog/?p=17120:22
shadeslayerapachelogger: whaiiii ? :(20:22
QuintasanJontheEchidna: nuclear launch detected when something goes wrong20:22
vorianwerd, starting on accessability20:22
apacheloggerbecause that stuff, as one of the few things in ubuntu is actually documented20:22
Quintasanvorian: \o20:22
shadeslayerapachelogger: point me to docs20:22
shadeslayerill try to sort it out tommorow 20:22
JontheEchidnadantti_: I was actually wondering where the text went when I had the grub update yesterday. I didn't know what to do20:22
vorianhello Quintasan o/20:22
JontheEchidnadantti_: I'd very much like to see the extended description by default20:23
apacheloggershadeslayer: go search for them :P20:23
dantti_JontheEchidna: k, I'd change it then..  I think it's better too20:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: ill poke ninja wiki tomorrow then20:24
vorianI do love the looks of cmake in action20:25
Quintasanapachelogger: :/20:26
Quintasanoh god20:26
apacheloggerarts is like the daleks20:26
apacheloggeralways coming back20:26
vorianexterminate 20:26
Quintasancan't we somehow skip it?20:26
voriani'll do it20:27
voriani assume you are talking about artwork?20:27
* ryanakca guesses that KDE 3 sound thing20:27
Quintasanshadeslayer: you should practice doing it more often then20:28
shadeslayerQuintasan: refreshing patches ?20:28
shadeslayeri do.. but it turns out, some breaks kdelibs ^20:28
apachelogger<shadeslayer> ScottK: id rather bangarang than kaffeine20:30
apacheloggerthatn sounds like something sexual20:30
shadeslayeri thought someone would say something.. nobody did :P20:31
macoisnt that when they put robin williams into a vat of colourful goo in Hook?20:32
JontheEchidnawe want a sync request for this: http://packages.debian.org/sid/phonon-backend-vlc20:40
* JontheEchidna files20:40
JontheEchidnamm, needs merge, it look slike20:42
voriannot a slike!20:42
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main20:43
shadeslayerthats the code for update-manager right?20:43
shadeslayerk thanks20:44
Quintasanshadeslayer: kdelibs fixxord20:54
shadeslayerQuintasan: thanks20:55
eMyllerQuintasan: did you fix your system?20:56
QuintasaneMyller: \o20:56
QuintasaneMyller: reinstalled20:56
Quintasanit was broked beyond the point of being recoverable20:57
Quintasanbeats me what killed it though20:57
eMylleri brake my katepart stuff yesterday20:57
eMylleri'm following the kate repo, and overwrote the system stuff with make install. but the trunk stuff was broken and i couldn't install the stable ¬¬20:58
shadeslayerQuintasan: btw will we provide neon scripts to compile stuff against kde neon?20:58
* eMyller wonders what's neon20:59
Quintasanwhy should we shadeslayer ?20:59
Quintasanjust use cmake with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX20:59
shadeslayerQuintasan: would be nice if we could alias that 21:00
QuintasanI do not find it necessary, we will link to wiki21:00
QuintasanPlus, writing such a script is probably impossible since we won't be able to cover all possible outcomes21:00
shadeslayerapachelogger made something like neonmake21:02
shadeslayeror something21:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: Quintasan im off to sleep, will look at kdebase and kwebkit stuff tmmrw21:16
j-bRiddell: ok :D21:22
shadeslayeralso i put someone on the QDialog to KDialog switch of update-manager21:22
shadeslayerkstar from #kde-in.. he might plop in here :P21:22
Riddellj-b: all I know if what's written on http://kaffeine.kde.org/21:22
Riddell"This way it has the necessary control over xine and e.g. VDPAU usage is possible."21:22
Quintasancool story21:22
j-bwhich is nothing21:22
j-bit is like a joke21:22
apacheloggerj-b: I think it didn't use phonon at any point, did it?21:23
Riddellit's strange for sure21:23
Riddellapachelogger: betas of 1.0 did21:23
shadeslayerdebfx: can we haz new phonon-backend-vlc21:23
apacheloggerin that case I find this madness21:23
j-bthis is the most stupid reason I have seen21:23
RiddellI don't even know what VDPAU is21:24
j-bI don't like Kaffeine, so I won't cry, but still...21:24
j-bRiddell: GPU decoding21:24
shadeslayerRiddell: nvidia gpu acceleration thingy21:24
shadeslayeryeah what j-b said :D21:24
j-band the nVidia API21:24
j-bas opposed to VAAPI and XvBA21:24
\shRiddell: VDPAU (Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU21:24
j-bintel and ATI ones21:24
shadeslayerciao 21:24
j-bRiddell: then, I am "WTF"21:25
shadeslayeroh noes... ktorrent is brokes again21:25
ScottKCan someone explain what's up with libqt4-multimedia  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/52552362/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-ia64.kdebindings_4:4.4.92-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz21:26
j-bRiddell: well, ok.21:26
j-bRiddell: if you have requests about VLC UI for KDE integration, please tell me...21:26
debfxRiddell: have you forwarded to Debian that phonon-vlc needs to depend on vlc?21:26
\shScottK: someone messed up the buildds and lost gcc? ;)21:27
ScottK\sh: No.  Lost libqt4-multimedia.21:27
\shyeah the tight dep21:27
ScottKWhich I think is on purpose, but then the kdebindings build-deps need fixing.21:27
* ScottK recalls Riddell saying something about it.21:27
Riddelllibqt4-multimedia is gone, it's now qtmultimediakit in qt-mobility21:28
ScottKRiddell: So kdebindings needs fixed?21:28
RiddellScottK: yes21:28
ScottKia64 is about as fixed up as it can get then until that's uploaded.21:29
Riddellj-b: lack of oxygen icons are the first obvious non-KDE thing about it21:30
Riddellj-b: I suspect more than that needs a UI designer to look at it21:30
j-bRiddell: this is like 20 LoC, I did it at KDE multimedia meeting21:30
j-bRiddell: well, if you have one under the hand21:31
yofel_anyone working on bug 608878 or should be make a debdiff?21:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 608878 in virtuoso-opensource (Ubuntu) "package libvirtodbc0 6.1.2+dfsg1-1ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/odbc/virtodbc_r.so', which is also in package virtuoso-nepomuk 6.1.0-0ubuntu4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60887821:31
Riddellseele is on holiday21:31
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Riddellyofel: jontheechidna might be21:31
Riddellyofel: although a debdiff would get it fixed faster :)21:31
Riddellj-b: how is i18n done?21:31
j-bRiddell: gettext?21:32
apacheloggerdang, wrong branch -.-21:32
apacheloggerquerying the service for a special mimetype is way too easy 21:33
Riddellj-b: do you have that vlc patch for oxygen icons?  is it something we should include in our packages?21:44
j-bRiddell: I do have it. And no, you shouldn't include it.21:46
j-bRiddell: but I could merge it21:46
Riddellvlc's UI is certainly the full featured cousin to dragon's simplicity21:47
j-bsmplayer UI is even worse21:47
j-band Kaffeine has left toolbar, top toolbar, side toolbar21:47
Riddellalthough not being phonon it doesn't follow the device preferences of phonon which is the same problem as Kaffeine has21:48
Riddellit also has a pointless systray icon like Kaffeine, my nemesis :)21:48
j-bRiddell: although, you can easily change the toolbars in VLC.21:48
j-bRiddell: and remove the systray icon21:48
j-bthose are just configuration discussion21:48
j-bbut still, as a KDE user, I expect a phonon media player21:49
Riddelltooltips and help menu don't quite fit in to kde, presumably due to it not using kdelibs21:49
j-bTooltips? how so?21:49
j-bHow do you change the phonon device prefs?21:49
ulyssesI found an untranslatable message in Muon21:50
Riddellj-b: tooltips are a pretty blue in KDE21:51
Riddellj-b: phonon device preferences are in System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon21:51
Riddellj-b: the main problem I have is pulse not switching to USB headphones when I plug them in, which is a pulseaudio problem but somehow phonon fixes it21:52
Riddellulysses: I think jon is having connection problems tonight21:52
ulyssesRiddell: :(21:53
j-bRiddell: well, linking to kdelibs should be doable and make the right colour for tooltips, right?21:53
Riddellj-b: it would make the kde fanboy part of my brain happy :)21:54
j-bRiddell: So, Oxygen icons, and tooltips, mostly?21:55
Riddellj-b: superficial but nice :)21:57
Riddellj-b: but as you say, it's not phonon and that is a bigger issue21:57
j-bRiddell: year.21:57
j-bRiddell: although i don't see any correct phonon-player, and this is annoying21:58
j-beven to test the vlc backend21:58
Riddellyep, that's our problem21:58
j-bcome on, it shouldn't be hard21:58
j-bwhat does it need?21:59
RiddellI expect you know better than I do, you're the video player developer :)21:59
Riddellsubtitle support and DVB are what I know are lacking from Dragon21:59
Riddellbut I'm sure there's other bits22:00
j-bcome on, Dragon is a joke...22:00
Riddellj-b: I presume vlc does DVD menus?22:00
j-bof course, since like 200222:01
Riddellscore 1 over gstreamer22:01
j-bwe still are the home of libdvdcss, you know...22:01
RiddellI don't think I did know that22:01
Riddelllibdvdcss which is now due to be installed by Ubuntu at the same time as the operating system22:02
Riddelleven though we were told we couldn't do that year ago, humph22:02
j-bWe are working on Blu-Ray menus, those days... DVD menus is last century battel22:02
Riddellj-b: why do you say Dragon is a joke? I'm sure from your point of view it is but I don't know all the features you would expect to have it taken seriously22:08
j-bRiddell: volume control is a joke, fullscreen controller is broken, playlist is so limited it is unusable, doesn't crop, doesn't have an equalizer, doesn't have any video filter, doesn't support streams...22:10
j-bI don't even speak about Capture devices, DVB, V4L, audio visualisation, always on top, deinterlacing, postprocessing22:11
j-bfast-forward, menu, proper chapter, frame-by-frame22:11
j-bthat will do for today, no?22:13
Riddellyes :)22:13
j-bI can't understand how the KDE community has Amarok on one side and Dragon on the other...22:14
\shj-b: amarok is mercedes class (has everything and is expensive), dragon is just the VW golf (not so much on board but cheap) ;) 22:16
apacheloggerj-b: originally it was intent to not have a playlist at all22:16
apacheloggerclick - watch porn - close - click - watch more porn - close ...22:16
apacheloggerthat sort of usage paradigm 6^22:16
j-bapachelogger: that is denying what people want.22:17
\shapachelogger: paradigm 6? 22:17
j-bapachelogger: anyway, I guess I will have to write one.22:17
ulysseskde bug 24583822:18
ubottuKDE bug 245838 in muon "Untranslatable message on Version tab" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24583822:18
apacheloggerj-b: you'd get an occasional bug fix from me ;)22:18
Riddellof course Amarok has a video plugin, maybe we should just use that :)22:19
\shoh damn...in times of 10Gbit/s links, why do I have to wait for 1TB to be rsynced 22:19
apacheloggeryou know22:19
Riddellapachelogger: I was joking!22:19
apacheloggerI am on a netbooks with crappy intarwebs at 400kbs22:20
apacheloggerRiddell: lol22:20
\shRiddell: then you don't have amarok anymore, but you will get "mamarok" (Media Amarok) which is a name clash with a person we all know :) 22:20
j-bRiddell: this isn't stupid, you know22:20
apacheloggerlook how nicely I crippled konqi22:20
apacheloggerScottK: ^22:20
dantti_Riddell: do you know why aptcc is compiled only for amd64?22:21
j-banyway, see you guys, and thanks. Bugs and requests are welcome :D22:21
ScottKapachelogger: What had to go?22:22
Riddelldantti_: it's not?  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+package/packagekit-backend-aptcc has it on all arches and I have it here on my i386 install22:22
apacheloggergeneral && custom css stuff22:22
apacheloggeralso half the user-agent section needs to go22:22
apacheloggerwell, actually only on-off can stay there it seems22:22
apacheloggerthis removing stuff is actually fun :D22:23
dantti_Riddell: packages.ubuntu.com has only amd6422:23
ScottKSounds like you could be a Gnome dev apachelogger.22:23
ScottK(re removing options)22:23
* apachelogger also likes C better than C++ 22:23
dantti_Riddell: and it has a typo in it's description :P written22:24
apacheloggeractually user agent seems to be working22:24
apacheloggerthat other site was just silly reporting the wrong agent back22:24
apacheloggerif (KMimeTypeTrader::self()->preferredService("text/html", "KParts/ReadOnlyPart")->desktopEntryName() == QLatin1String("kwebkitpart"))22:26
apacheloggerScottK: using that one can clip junk everywhere, so technically we can remove stuff from all overthe UI if kwebkitpart is used22:27
ScottKSounds like it's worth you putting together a package in maybe Kubuntu Experimental for people to try out.22:27
ScottKGet some feedback22:28
apacheloggerI think shadeslayer would be a perfect minion to do that ;)22:29
apachelogger(also java is working)22:29
apacheloggerjavscript supposedly needs to go since kwebkit probably uses qwebkit's javascript thingy22:29
ari-tczewRiddell: ping22:31
apacheloggerjavascript also works22:36
apacheloggerScottK: I really dunno what jonny was referring to that was so important to have disabled when using webkit in konq22:36
apacheloggerthe functions I removed in appearance are probably untouched by 99.9999 % of all users22:37
ScottKapachelogger: OK.  Sounds like it needs some testing then.22:38
apacheloggerthat it needs anyway22:38
apacheloggerpossibly some of the more advanced features do not work22:38
apacheloggersomeone just needs to go through all options and try them out22:39
apacheloggerI can easily remove them then22:39
ScottKRiddell: Can you check if libsbigudrv-dev is really in Main on armel?  According to LP it is, but kdeedu can't seem to find it to build.22:48
Riddellhi ari-tczew 23:10
RiddellScottK: err libsbigudrv2-dev is in multiverse23:12
ScottKThat's not good.23:12
Riddellbut kdeedu build-depends on libsbigudrv-dev23:13
Riddellwhich isn'tlibsbigudrv2-dev23:13
Riddelland infact doesn't seem to exist23:13
Riddellwhy is this indi stuff such a mess23:13
ScottKAccording to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel/libsbigudrv-dev/5:0.5-0ubuntu7 is exists.23:14
ScottKThat even says it's in Main.23:14
Riddellit's from the indi source package which got deleted in maverick23:14
Riddellon the grounds that it duplicated libindi23:15
ScottKI see.23:15
Riddellif we have a standalone sbig that's better but is it the right version and why is it in multiverse?23:15
ScottKNo idea.23:16
ScottKYou uploaded it.23:17
* Riddell notices python-qt4 is build and moves onto kdebindings23:18
dantti_Riddell: I'm still fighting with python here to support distro upgrades :P23:18
QuintasanTsk, we need a python magician23:20
Riddelldantti_: with python?  surely the point of aptcc is it isn't python23:20
ScottKRiddell: At a glance, the license seems annoying, but free.23:20
ari-tczewRiddell: could you see package from bug 610242 I want to forward a delta to Debian, but I need an argument. why did you add Depend on vlc?23:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 610242 in phonon-backend-vlc (Ubuntu) "phonon-backend-vlc 0.2.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61024223:20
ScottKRiddell: No non-free depends either.23:21
dantti_Riddell: well I'd have to understand what the python script does to know that there is a distro upgrade to get rid of it ...23:21
dantti_and the time seems to be short i guess23:22
Riddellari-tczew: if it didn't depend on vlc then it didn't work, I spoke with fabo about it and he said he didn't notice that becaues he always has vlc installed23:22
Riddellari-tczew: actually it did work but only in ascii art which may not satisfy all users23:22
ari-tczewRiddell: lol! seems to he is egoist23:23
Riddelldantti_: what's the python script you're looking at?23:24
dantti_Riddell: well it imports from UpdateManager.Core.MetaRelease   MetaReleaseCore which downloads and says if there is some upgrade23:25
* dantti_ wonders if it works with a http proxy :P23:26
Riddelldantti_: so you want to have a wee python script something like this and run it http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/5Pg92C4m23:29
Riddellexcept with exit values rather than print statements I guess23:29
Riddellthat's what we used to do in adept23:29
dantti_Riddell: well at first this is what I want, and it already works, the only problem is to call it from aptcc :/23:30
Riddellsystem("my-python-scipt.py");  no?23:30
dantti_I'd need popen but then It could not find the file.. :/23:31
dantti_since packagekid cleans $PWD23:31
Riddellit is possible to reimplement the logic, it's just parsing http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release we used to do that in some adept versions too23:33
Riddellbut it's fiddly and liable to mistakes23:33
dantti_Riddell: hmm parsing that seems easy, which kind of mistakes do you think we could get?23:35
RiddellScottK: sbig-2.0.0 is just binary files23:38
ScottKRiddell: Oh.  That'll do it.23:38
RiddellScottK: I guess uploading the indi source package and not having it build the indi binary package is the answer23:40
ScottKRiddell: Seems reasonable.23:40
Riddelldantti_: it also has to read /etc/update-manager/meta-release23:47
Riddelland have options for http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development23:47
Riddelland work with proxies :)23:48
dantti_Riddell: right then I guess I should avoid that :P23:48
dantti_I'll copy the apt backend .py file and remove what I don't need :P23:48
dantti_Riddell: alph3 is today right?23:50
Riddelldantti_: actually I got it wrong, it's next week23:50
Riddellsorry about that23:50
dantti_hmm better then :D23:51
dantti_Riddell: maybe I can get you a new kpk release :P23:51
dantti_this week I have more time ...23:51
dantti_Riddell: btw there is a file I'd like to the packagekit package to install and not the backend packages, can you change that?23:52
Riddelldantti_: can do, what's that?23:52
dantti_20packagekit installed in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d23:52
dantti_which is actually a broken file but I'll fix it23:53
dantti_the guy who wrote it needs to learn some shell foo :P23:53
Riddelldantti_: should be easy enough to do23:54
dantti_this files pokes the frontends in case the user install/remove/update stuff with apt-get/aptitude...23:54

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